Nostalgia Cipher Strand

[Casinomeister]

Bryan;

Don't you ever labor under the dillusion Bryan that can talk down to me. I won't take it from you or anyone else for that matter. You try that kind of "BS" with me and you can expect both barrels back from me my friend.
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What is BS is your attitude. I made the comment that I didn't understand where you were going with all of these Cipher strands. You have implied that RTG operators have been rigging the games. And by the way, I could not give a flying rat's ass if they are Casinomeister casinos or not - but if you are going to be using my forum to rag on a software provider, or operators for that matter, let's make this clear cut and understandable.

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about.

My comment caused you to fire off some bullshit that I am on the take. And then you have the audacity to continue this nonsense.

The fact of the matter is this. For months now the Cipher strands have been viewed by one hell of a lot of people on this forum and with the exception of less than a handfull (INCLUDING YOURSELF) everyone seems to have gotten something out of them. If you havn't, I'm sorry, it's not my job to be all things to all people all of the time.

I've been looking them over like everyone else. And???

I suggest you pack your attitude and keep your comments to yourself, or just take a break from the forum.

 

[cynowoo]

everyone would stick to his own opinion.

but from the experience of over 50K hands at Phoenican and Nostalgia ,

at least I would support the point that the winning probability depends on the BET size

Once you bet big enough , $200, $500 sth , the nightmare is starting...

 

[cipher]

everyone would stick to his own opinion.

but from the experience of over 50K hands at Phoenican and Nostalgia ,

at least I would support the point that the winning probability depends on the BET size

Once you bet big enough , $200, $500 sth , the nightmare is starting...

Hi Cynowoo; I've PM'd you with an email address that you can send your log data files to if you care to request your log data files from the Phoenician or Nostalgia. I'd be happy to merge those files into a rather substantial data base that I started putting together some 4 months ago. Have a good one.

 

[jerseyguy11]

yo cipher, can you PM me your email address again. I dug up a few months worth of logs from grandbanks/onluck/blackwidow when they were RTG. Still trying to get the rest.

PM me your email and ill send em.

 

[cipher]

yo cipher, can you PM me your email address again. I dug up a few months worth of logs from grandbanks/onluck/blackwidow when they were RTG. Still trying to get the rest.

PM me your email and ill send em.

DONE

 

[sw2003]

Truegambler's Online Casino Analyzer is trying to do something like this. The problem with Cipher strands is that you have to enter the data by hand, so people could enter fake data or submit genuine data selectively.

Data contamination is always a big problem unless you have a video camera recording clearly the sessions as well!

 

[sw2003]

I hope that FairDice or TrueGambler can prove or insure a fair game for all.

Amen to that too! I hope FairDice will come sooner rather than later!

I wonder can you Masters (Spear, Casino, Grand, Sword, Small, Large .... etc), jetset, blackjet, bluejet .... etc talk to the casino people to see if this can be pushed? A lot of players would be a lot happier if they can be assured that the dice throw is fair or the random numbers can be guaranteed to be fair through initiatives such as FairDice?

 

[Casinomeister]

Well, I woke up this morning hoping that Cipher would have taken the time to explain some of the comments directed at me. Unfortunately, he has let this slide.

It was all about the green then and it's all about the green now.

Most of the people who are personally acquainted with me know the kind of money I've turned down from unscrupulous operators. And after last July's Playtech fiasco, I turned down three separate Playtech campaigns that were pending. So this thoughtless comment is what is prompting me to remove you from the forum for the next two weeks.

Your removal has nothing to do with the Cipher logs, etc., your removal is because of your attitude. This is my forum, and as your host I will have your respect. Simple as that. If you disagree with this, then take your business elsewhere.

Everyone here should understand that I do not take this lightly, verbally attacking other members will not be tolerated. And if you feel that making unsubstantiated belligerent comments towards me is necessary, then you will find yourself out on sidewalk looking up at the stars.

 

[largeeyes]

Thank the lord.....no more cipher strings.......

 

[caruso]

Speaking as a long time player, equally fervent player advocate and one not unused to the form master stun gun himself: that's a great shame for players in general. On the matter of the above disparaging comment about Cipher's strand posts: let me repeat that ALL published data is valuable, whatever the reason, since 1) it can serendipitously reveal anomolies and 2) it makes a gesture towards saying "we're watching you" to the Bad Boys. These posts should be ENCOURAGED. Any players making smart alec disparaging comments need to look at where their priorities lie - the posts are made with your interests in mind. On the matter of the corruption charge which led to this: I hope Bryan can understand how tempers can get heated in these situations, when people question the obviously diligent work someone is putting in; that Cipher can appreciate how remarks such as those will inevitably and not unreasonably have this consequence; and that both of them can sort this little contretemp out with calmer heads.

 

[DeMango]

I trust you all will shortly meet in Vegas and come to peaceable terms. In the absense of something like FairDice, all we have are people who gather statistics. We expect a fair and even game - no six aces in a hand, no five dealer BJ's in a row, no losing 180 hands out of 210 as has recently been alleged. Any and all posters who gather and post relevant information is welcome by me and I really expect all should feel that way. I do wish the Cipher strands were put together as a running total, but I believe his point was that trends were indentifiable and exploitable. That may be voodoo but if the RNG produce these trends then it would be gospel! Who knows except the search continues and truth must be unearthed!
Cheers! (and PEACE!)

 

[jerseyguy11]

Speaking as a long time player, equally fervent player advocate and one not unused to the form master stun gun himself: that's a great shame for players in general. On the matter of the above disparaging comment about Cipher's strand posts: let me repeat that ALL published data is valuable, whatever the reason, since 1) it can serendipitously reveal anomolies and 2) it makes a gesture towards saying "we're watching you" to the Bad Boys. These posts should be ENCOURAGED. Any players making smart alec disparaging comments need to look at where their priorities lie - the posts are made with your interests in mind. On the matter of the corruption charge which led to this: I hope Bryan can understand how tempers can get heated in these situations, when people question the obviously diligent work someone is putting in; that Cipher can appreciate how remarks such as those will inevitably and not unreasonably have this consequence; and that both of them can sort this little contretemp out with calmer heads.

nicely stated

 

[bethug]

largeeyes , you didnt have to look at them
As a player , i think cipher is the best assest this forum has and it sad he got ban

 

[Black21Jack]

Thank the lord.....no more cipher strings.......

You make it seem like they are affecting you in a negative way or something. Don't read the friggin the threads then. Holy cow!

 

[Casinomeister]

Please don't get me wrong, read carefully what I have said -- I have nothing against the "strands", it was Cipher's attitude towards the forum members, me, and my forum that I had a problem with. He's welcome to participate in a rational non-belligerent manner.

I told him I'm ready to talk when he mellows out.

 

[cynowoo]

I understand and respect your response on cipers' word.

banning away of 2 weeks is enough , CIPHER is a great guy both in character and professional skills.

Hope u guys would understand each other.

Please don't get me wrong, read carefully what I have said -- I have nothing against the "strands", it was Cipher's attitude towards the forum members, me, and my forum that I had a probelm with. He's welcome to participate in a rational non-belligerent manner.

I told him I'm ready to talk when he mellows out.

 

[Black21Jack]

CIPHER is a great guy both in character and professional skills.

Hope u guys would understand each other.

I agree. I will not voice my opinion on his banning as it is Bryan's forum and it is his sole decision on who he allows here and who he does not. I look forward to cipher's return, and more posts of his cipher strands. I too hope that Cm and cipher work out their problems.

 

[jerseyguy11]

ditto

 

[largeeyes]

I don't want to turn this thread into strand central, but quite honestly, they have no value. You can't just randomly take little snippets and hold them up as some proof of a conspiracy theory. It's a bit like the Hood 3000 system. Nothing but hot air that can only lead to confuse and mislead people.

 

[bpb]

I don't want to turn this thread into strand central, but quite honestly, they have no value. You can't just randomly take little snippets and hold them up as some proof of a conspiracy theory. It's a bit like the Hood 3000 system. Nothing but hot air that can only lead to confuse and mislead people.

Seconded.

Providing information and allowing people to draw their own conclusions is one thing. Providing information, calling it the smoking gun that proves that casino XYZ is rigging their deal, and damning anyone who says otherwise, is quite another.

 

[bethug]

largeeyes, and bpb, please click my sig
i have a few word for you

 

[Black21Jack]

Seconded.

Providing information and allowing people to draw their own conclusions is one thing. Providing information, calling it the smoking gun that proves that casino XYZ is rigging their deal, and damning anyone who says otherwise, is quite another.

cipher never said that it proves any casino is rigging their software. He posts strands on certain casinos, states his opinion and leaves it for people to come to their own conclusions.

 

[sw2003]

I think it is sad that Cipher got banned for 2 weeks! He probably had a really bad day before he started firing off at Bryan. Anyway I thought it was nice to have someone providing analyses on the gameplay from various softwares on a regular basis. Otherwise we will just have to take whatever results that the casinos dare to throw at us like we are a bunch of gullible idiots.

 

[Casinomeister]

I think it is sad that Cipher got banned for 2 weeks! He probably had a really bad day before he started firing off at Bryan. Anyway I thought it was nice to have someone providing analyses on the gameplay from various softwares on a regular basis. Otherwise we will just have to take whatever results that the casinos dare to throw at us like we are a bunch of gullible idiots.

Perhaps we were both having a bad day. He's been notified that he's welcome back under a gentlemen's agreement that we're to keep things civil.

 

[caruso]

...Otherwise we will just have to take whatever results that the casinos dare to throw at us like we are a bunch of gullible idiots.

There are currently enough genuine projects out there for this to be entirely not the case. The OCA is still around, and Fairdice will hopefully get themselves together before long. That in addition to Cipher's programme, whatever its exact purpose may be.

My forecast is that the fat lady is currently clearing her throat for online casino cheating scum software.