North Korea and US politics

[mack341]

And where is your evidence that Mexicans cause more crime per head than any other nationality? Fact is, they don't. It's a lie Trump has made up to further his other lies. Here's some actual facts.

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I never just mentioned mexico, obviously they're the last port of call but I clearly mentioned south and central america
"there is simply not the same level of criminals and drugs seeking to enter the US from canada as from central and south america."

Remind me what is the level of serious crime in mexico compared to somewhere like canada?

This is what the uk foreign office warns in its travel advice about mexico, you might want to imagine the the scene:

"Crime and violence are serious problems in Mexico and the security situation can pose a risk for foreigners..... There have been a number of violent car-jackings and robberies along the Pacific Highway and you should be careful when travelling on this route.

Be particularly alert on public transport, at airports and in bus stations. Theft on buses is common so keep an eye on your belongings at all times. Buses have also been hijacked in conflict areas.

Passengers have been robbed and assaulted by unlicensed taxi drivers including in Mexico City. Women travelling on their own should be particularly alert when travelling on public transport. There have been incidents of rape on urban buses (‘micros’) on routes in the south of Mexico City.

Several serious sexual offences have also occurred in tourist areas outside of Mexico City. Take care even in areas close to hotels, and especially after dark.

Don’t leave food and drinks unattended in bars and restaurants. Travellers have been robbed or assaulted after being drugged

Street crime is a serious problem in major cities and tourist resort areas. Be wary of people presenting themselves as police officers trying to fine or arrest you for no apparent reason

Short-term opportunistic kidnapping - called ‘express kidnapping’ - can occur, particularly in urban areas. Longer-term kidnapping for financial gain also occurs, and there have been allegations of police officers being involved.

Are you getting a picture of a safe law abiding country? How is the USA going to stop those committing these type of crimes [plus the drug trafficking] from trying to get into the US, crossing the border illegally etc...?

 

[goatwack]

I never just mentioned mexico, obviously they're the last port of call but I clearly mentioned south and central america
"there is simply not the same level of criminals and drugs seeking to enter the US from canada as from central and south america."

Remind me what is the level of serious crime in mexico compared to somewhere like canada?

This is what the uk foreign office warns in its travel advice about mexico, you might want to imagine the the scene:

"Crime and violence are serious problems in Mexico and the security situation can pose a risk for foreigners..... There have been a number of violent car-jackings and robberies along the Pacific Highway and you should be careful when travelling on this route.

Be particularly alert on public transport, at airports and in bus stations. Theft on buses is common so keep an eye on your belongings at all times. Buses have also been hijacked in conflict areas.

Passengers have been robbed and assaulted by unlicensed taxi drivers including in Mexico City. Women travelling on their own should be particularly alert when travelling on public transport. There have been incidents of rape on urban buses (‘micros’) on routes in the south of Mexico City.

Several serious sexual offences have also occurred in tourist areas outside of Mexico City. Take care even in areas close to hotels, and especially after dark.

Don’t leave food and drinks unattended in bars and restaurants. Travellers have been robbed or assaulted after being drugged

Street crime is a serious problem in major cities and tourist resort areas. Be wary of people presenting themselves as police officers trying to fine or arrest you for no apparent reason

Short-term opportunistic kidnapping - called ‘express kidnapping’ - can occur, particularly in urban areas. Longer-term kidnapping for financial gain also occurs, and there have been allegations of police officers being involved.

Are you getting a picture of a safe law abiding country? How is the USA going to stop those committing these type of crimes [plus the drug trafficking] from trying to get into the US, crossing the border illegally etc...?

....you ask them nicely whilst considering their feelings?

Of course Mexico is a perfectly non-high-crime place, that much is known, so it goes without saying you'd want thousands of unvetted journey bravers to enrich the U.S in unsustainable numbers!

 

[slotplayer]

I never said free healthcare for all, you said that. I just said we have free healthcare. Go back and read the posts.

As far as paying, people use the emergency room as their primary care doctor, the hospital ends up eating the bill and in turn has to overcharge the insurance companies to recoup some of the money which in turn causes the health insurance companies to raise the premium costs.

 

[trancemonkey]

What is that supposed to prove? Illegal immigrants don't get free health care? That's true everywhere.... even in the UK.

 

[trancemonkey]

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You can't make this stuff up... And people like slotplayer defend this bunch of lunatics. I can't defend the British government for the Brexit debacle, so why do people defend the dangerous lunacy of the Trump presidency. .

 

[trancemonkey]

I don't want to rile people like slotplayer and the other Trump defenders, but i would love know exactly what would need to happed for them to say "Yeah, i liked him for (x,y,z) but i have to admit it's all gone a bit too far now..." He lies religiously, his team lie religiously. Can you imagine for one second all the stuff that will come out AFTER the presidency ends from people that then don't have to tow the line?

 

[slotplayer]

What is that supposed to prove? Illegal immigrants don't get free health care? That's true everywhere.... even in the UK.

It proves what I was saying about people using the emergency room as their primary care doctor which drives the cost of healthcare up.

 

[slotplayer]

I don't want to rile people like slotplayer and the other Trump defenders, but i would love know exactly what would need to happed for them to say "Yeah, i liked him for (x,y,z) but i have to admit it's all gone a bit too far now..." He lies religiously, his team lie religiously. Can you imagine for one second all the stuff that will come out AFTER the presidency ends from people that then don't have to tow the line?

We separate personality from policy.

 

[trancemonkey]

It proves what I was saying about people using the emergency room as their primary care doctor which drives the cost of healthcare up.

Maybe if you have universal healthcare like most western countries, it wouldn't be a problem

 

[trancemonkey]

We separate personality from policy.

So you don't care how much he lies, as long as his policies are sound?
May i ask which policies of his you are super-happy with?

 

[slotplayer]

So you don't care how much he lies, as long as his policies are sound?
May i ask which policies of his you are super-happy with?

I don't have time right now but here is one

 

[slotplayer]

Maybe if you have universal healthcare like most western countries, it wouldn't be a problem

Not with the southern border problem.

 

[trancemonkey]

Not with the southern border problem.

Just goes to show how little you understand about universal health care like we have in the UK

 

[trancemonkey]

I don't have time right now but here is one

You're right... all his lying and insults and crazy unhinged behaviour is irrelevant because he passed a criminal justice bill.

Well done Trump. We were all wrong about you

 

[slotplayer]

You're right... all his lying and insults and crazy unhinged behaviour is irrelevant because he passed a criminal justice bill.

Well done Trump. We were all wrong about you

I'm sure the people getting out of prison are pretty happy.

 

[slotplayer]

Just goes to show how little you understand about universal health care like we have in the UK

Don't know the details about NHS but I saw the nurses on the news a few months ago and saw baby Alfie and baby Charlie Gard.

I'd like free health coverage but it may not be realistic.

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Could you image what a draw a free NHS would be here in the states with the left wanting open borders with central America?

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[trancemonkey]

Don't know the details about NHS but I saw the nurses on the news a few months ago and saw baby Alfie and baby Charlie Gard.

I'd like free health coverage but it may not be realistic.

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Could you image what a draw a free NHS would be here in the states with the left wanting open borders with central America?

I might be missing something, but i don't see anywhere that mentions those people being "illiegal immigrants" so that proves nothing....

 

[slotplayer]

I might be missing something, but i don't see anywhere that mentions those people being "illiegal immigrants" so that proves nothing....

The new Governor of California.



The Mayor of NY.

 

[trancemonkey]

The new Governor of California.



The Mayor of NY.

Nope those videos still don't prove that 160 million illegal immigrants want to move to the US, like tour post seems to suggest.

 

[Steviedoo]

Don't know the details about NHS but I saw the nurses on the news a few months ago and saw baby Alfie and baby Charlie Gard.

I'd like free health coverage but it may not be realistic.

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Could you image what a draw a free NHS would be here in the states with the left wanting open borders with central America?

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Democrats are not for open borders. Why is it you believe everything that fox and trump tells you.

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[slotplayer]

Nope those videos still don't prove that 160 million illegal immigrants want to move to the US, like tour post seems to suggest.

I never said it was 160 million illegals. Free National Healthcare without first overhauling the immigration system will be a major draw for the 160 million people wanting to move to US.

But as far as illegals go, approx. 2.5 million apprehensions in 5 years.

Why the change in position?

 

[slotplayer]

A fence?

 

[trancemonkey]

"Trump was chosen by God" - Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, today. Wtf?!

 

[goatwack]

"Trump was chosen by God" - Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, today. Wtf?!

You were chosen by God, Sir Trancemonkey

Your grace

 

[Harry_BKK]

"Trump was chosen by God" - Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, today. Wtf?!

Yeah, I read that and had a good chuckle. The sinner in chief got chosen by God himself.

 

[ternur]

"Trump was chosen by God" - Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, today. Wtf?!

Oh Lord

 

[goatwack]

I think we can draw the line at that he was chosen by the Almighty

 

[Harry_BKK]

God seems to have forgotten to teach him to finish one coherent sentence.

This is the US president!!! Talking gibberish most of the time, and the rest he is lying through his teeth.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Mr. T screwing contractors again. Can't let go of is business habbits even as US president!

 

[Harry_BKK]

The US expecting yet again that others clean up the mess they created themselves. Why does this not come as a surprise, especially because Cadet Bonespurs is writing it!

And suddenly Europeans are allies again?

Mr. T can take them in, he has enough work places for illegals at his golf clubs and Mar-A-Lago.

 

[goatwack]

So how's the swamp-draining going with everyone's favourite leader

And N. Korea, musn't forget ol' Kim. His swamp is probably barren now

 

[Steviedoo]

Ugh.

National Emergency. Humanitarian crisis at the border. But let me go golfing for the 10000000th time.

The real emergency and crisises are not at the border but in flint, Michigan who has not had clean water in years. It’s every small town and big city that have to live through violent gun deaths from our own citizens...not illegal immigrants.

Fix the immigration system. Pass sensible gun laws. And fix the ongoing crisis in flint before declaring an emergency at the border.

The only emergency at the border is the one this admin has created by separating families. Bad policy.

 

[mack341]

this excerpt taken from a recent article about the issue on the bbc news website:

"How many people are crossing the border illegally?
It's impossible to say for certain but apprehensions made by US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents provide one measure.

CBP made a total of 396,579 apprehensions on the south-western border in fiscal year 2018, and 303,916 in 2017.

The number had fallen dramatically in President Trump's first year but rose again last year.

Looking at the wider picture, there has been a sharp fall in the number of people arrested in the last 18 years."


In the year 2000, there were 1.6 million apprehensions , so that gives you an idea of the potential numbers, contrast that with the canada /us border where there were only 3027 illegal apprehensions in 2017.

It seems declaring it an national emergency was simply a way of securing the funding for his wall as it enables trump to take money from the already massive defense budget?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Of course, it was only a desperate attempt to build his wall. He promised it so many times that he backed himself into a corner.

And because he hasn't done anything yet and fears a backlash, he's telling people that he started already, "we built a lot of wall already" and the supporters believe it. Not a single mile of new wall has been even started to being built, let alone as much as he indicates.

The money he's trying to take away from other projects will mostly be used for the "eminent domain" cases and that will stop him right there and then for months if not years. Add to that the lawsuits because of his "faux" national emergency declaration and he'll be happy to see as much as a garden fence going up before he closes his eyes the last time.

And the "best dealmaker ever" and "I alone can fix it" handyman gave the lawyers himself the best arguments for the lawsuits. Among other stupidities, he said: "I didn't need to declare it, I just want to build the wall faster."

 

[Steviedoo]

Of course, it was only a desperate attempt to build his wall. He promised it so many times that he backed himself into a corner.

And because he hasn't done anything yet and fears a backlash, he's telling people that he started already, "we built a lot of wall already" and the supporters believe it. Not a single mile of new wall has been even started to being built, let alone as much as he indicates.

The money he's trying to take away from other projects will mostly be used for the "eminent domain" cases and that will stop him right there and then for months if not years. Add to that the lawsuits because of his "faux" national emergency declaration and he'll be happy to see as much as a garden fence going up before he closes his eyes the last time.

And the "best dealmaker ever" and "I alone can fix it" handyman gave the lawyers himself the best arguments for the lawsuits. Among other stupidities, he said: "I didn't need to declare it, I just want to build the wall faster."

Maybe he should now announce that the wall has been completed. Finished...they will believe him.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Maybe he should now announce that the wall has been completed. Finished...they will believe him.

I actually think that they would indeed believe him. Which is actually a sad thing.

I saw a comedy show where they sent somebody dressed up as a wall to El Paso when Mr. T was there. He interviewed some of his supporters and the things they said were cringy and hilarious at the same time. Question comes up are they deliberately closing their eyes and ears for the facts or are they really that uninformed and stupid (sorry about the word) to believe everything Mr. T spouts?

Really funny how people are influenced and conned. Mexico didn't pay for it, a Republican Congress didn't appropriate money for it and now its not just the taxpayers themselves but the military who will possibly pay for it. Yet the supporters stand there and shout "build the wall".

Mr. T as the conman he has been all his life.

 

[dionysus]

Mr. T as the conman he has been all his life.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Ugh.

National Emergency. Humanitarian crisis at the border. But let me go golfing for the 10000000th time.

The real emergency and crisises are not at the border but in flint, Michigan who has not had clean water in years. It’s every small town and big city that have to live through violent gun deaths from our own citizens...not illegal immigrants.

Fix the immigration system. Pass sensible gun laws. And fix the ongoing crisis in flint before declaring an emergency at the border.

The only emergency at the border is the one this admin has created by separating families. Bad policy.

I never watched his press conference when he announced the NE, but apparently he started first with bragging about what he has (NOT) accomplished and then the ultimate, scroll to 08:20.

He is supposed to announce an urgent, BIG, the biggest ever National Emmergency and most of the time doesn't speak about it but about himself. Why does that not surprise at all.



I did some googling after watching this. Apparently the US asked Abe for the nomination! How pathetic, even if the story is just half-true.

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[Steviedoo]

American farm exports are expected to plunge $1.9 billion in fiscal 2019, compared to the previous year, largely due to President Donald Trump’s

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, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Soybean exports have been hit particularly hard.

Russian farmers are one of the beneficiaries of the trade war. Their soybean exports to China

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, according to The Wall Street Journal. Russia’s overall trade with China rose more than 27 percent to over $100 billion last year, according to the Journal. The increase in trade between the nations has been reportedly nurtured by an

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between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who are taking advantage of an America that is on the trade sidelines.


Makes you wonder if he did this on purpose.

Kompromat.

 

[Harry_BKK]

American farm exports are expected to plunge $1.9 billion in fiscal 2019, compared to the previous year, largely due to President Donald Trump’s

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, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Soybean exports have been hit particularly hard.

Russian farmers are one of the beneficiaries of the trade war. Their soybean exports to China

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, according to The Wall Street Journal. Russia’s overall trade with China rose more than 27 percent to over $100 billion last year, according to the Journal. The increase in trade between the nations has been reportedly nurtured by an

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between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin, who are taking advantage of an America that is on the trade sidelines.


Makes you wonder if he did this on purpose.

Kompromat.

Mr. T has rarely done anything in his life that he has not benefited from. I doubt that he suddenly turned into a saint.

He fleeced his own inaugaration committee by charging double and triple rates for conference and ballrooms at his hotel/s. Do you think he's will ever do something just for the sake of someone else?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Tucker getting schooled and loses the plot when interviewing the Dutch guy who upset the billionaires in Davos.

 

[vorcirion]

poor tucker

 

[vorcirion]

god damn harry

 

[Harry_BKK]

god damn harry

LOL, sorry

 

[slotplayer]

Sorry, I could not resist.

 

[Steviedoo]

The president’s personal fixer “lawyer” gives testimony today.
And yes the supporters will say he is lying cuz everyone lies except mr. trump.


Excerpts:

Mr. Trump is a racist”

“He once asked me if I could name a country run by a black person that wasn’t a ‘shithole.’ This was when Barack Obama was President of the United States.

“While we were once driving through a struggling neighborhood in Chicago, he commented that only black people could live that way.

“And, he told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid.”

Trump has a very low opinion of his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.

“Mr. Trump had frequently told me and others that his son Don Jr. had the worst judgment of anyone in the world. And also, that Don Jr. would never set up any meeting of any significance alone – and certainly not without checking with his father.”

How Trump dodged service in Vietnam

“Mr. Trump claimed it was because of a bone spur, but when I asked for medical records, he gave me none and said there was no surgery. He told me not to answer the specific questions by reporters but rather offer simply the fact that he received a medical deferment.

He finished the conversation with the following comment. ‘You think I’m stupid, I wasn’t going to Vietnam.’”

Trump is not a patriot

“The sad fact is that I never heard Mr. Trump say anything in private that led
me to believe he loved our nation or wanted to make it better. In fact, he did
the opposite.

“When telling me in 2008 that he was cutting employees’ salaries in half ― including mine ― he showed me what he claimed was a $10 million IRS tax refund, and he said that he could not believe how stupid the government was for giving ‘someone like him’ that much money back.”

During the campaign he said his run for presidency would be the biggest longest running informercial for his brand.


Trump ‘reveled’ in refusing to pay his bills

“One of my more common responsibilities was that Mr. Trump directed me to call business owners, many of whom were small businesses, that were owed money for their services and told them no payment or a reduced payment would be coming. When I advised Mr. Trump of my success, he actually reveled in it.”

Trump knew about Roger Stone and Wikileaks

“In July 2016, days before the Democratic convention, I was in Mr. Trump’s office when his secretary announced that Roger Stone was on the phone. Mr. Trump put Mr. Stone on the speakerphone. Mr. Stone told Mr. Trump that he had just gotten off the phone with Julian Assange and that Mr. Assange told Mr. Stone that, within a couple of days, there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Mr. Trump responded by stating to the effect of ‘wouldn’t that be great.’”

One of Cohen’s biggest regrets: Lying to Melania Trump

“He asked me to pay off an adult film star with whom he had an affair, and to lie to his wife about it, which I did. Lying to the First Lady is one of my biggest regrets. She is a kind, good person. I respect her greatly – and she did not deserve that.”

Trump repaid Stormy Daniels hush money with personal checks

“I am providing a copy of a $35,000 check that President Trump personally signed from his personal bank 14 account on August 1, 2017 – when he was President of the United States – pursuant to the cover-up, which was the basis of my guilty plea, to reimburse me – the word used by Mr. Trump’s TV lawyer ― for the illegal hush money I paid on his behalf. This $35,000 check was one of 11 check installments that was paid throughout the year – while he was President.

“The President of the United States thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws.”

Cohen warns Trump: I’m not your ‘fixer’ anymore

“For those who question my motives for being here today, I understand. I have lied, but I am not a liar. I have done bad things, but I am not a bad man. I have fixed things, but I am no longer your ‘fixer,’ Mr. Trump.”

The identity of Individual #1

“For the record: Individual #1 is President Donald J. Trump.”

 

[mack341]

Bringing up the vietnam draft in this testimony is interesting, a terrible event in US/world history not properly looked into IMO, probably too painful I suppose.

On cohen's wikipedia page it states he's been jailed for three years, is that for things Trump directed/influenced him to do?

 

[slotplayer]

Bringing up the vietnam draft in this testimony is interesting, a terrible event in US/world history not properly looked into IMO, probably too painful I suppose.

On cohen's wikipedia page it states he's been jailed for three years, is that for things Trump directed/influenced him to do?

 

[mack341]

is that a yay or nay then?

I can't really cope with the complicated soap opera of US politics, it's bad enough what's happening here with brexit

I was just hoping someone might be able to surmise the whole situation, in a neutrally objective way and save my head from exploding

In that video I got lost after the first 30 seconds but the senator/congressman said cohen's going to jail for lying to congress, was that on top of other misdemeanours?

 

[slotplayer]

is that a yay or nay then?

I can't really cope with the complicated soap opera of US politics, it's bad enough what's happening here with brexit

I was just hoping someone might be able to surmise the whole situation, in a neutrally objective way and save my head from exploding

In that video I got lost after the first 30 seconds but the senator said cohen's going to jail for lying to congress, was that on top of other misdemeanours?

5 years of tax fraud, 1 false statement to a bank and 2 campaign finance violations.