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The left's obsession for tolerance made them intolerable, hence the Trump win.
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tolerance in the broad sense I would say too, tolerance of things like crime and disorder while spouting platitudes, we've got it in the uk
edit: except here the political parties since the blair revolution have kind of merged, there's very little difference between tony blair and david cameron/theresa may politically speaking, corbyn is a bit too left for the establishment's liking, hence the kicking he's receiving but he'd be tolerant of things like failing hospitals and spiralling crime levels, while spending money on the wrong things left, right and centre to try and solve deeper issues. It'll be 'lets spend 1 billion pounds on setting up youth clubs' and 'free transgender ops on the nhs for all' etc..
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Do you think that your and the right's obsession with intolerance makes you tolerable?
In Mr. T perfect world that sure looks like it is the case.
Far-out Leftists (not classical liberals) are among the most intolerant people on the planet! Anyone that isn't tolerant of their views is just called an outright Nazi last I checked!
So it kind of goes both ways. The 'Middle Ground' has long left town, as well as common sense....seems people have to be one or the other!
So it kind of goes both ways. The 'Middle Ground' has long left town, as well as common sense....seems people have to be one or the other!
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Do you think that your and the right's obsession with intolerance makes you tolerable?
In Mr. T perfect world that sure looks like it is the case.
The right is not obsessed with it, where do you get that?
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Go read Harry's rant, he said it was 50/50. More of his factless bs.
The percentage of white Americans will drop from 62.2 percent now to 43.6 percent within 45 years.
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Far-out Leftists (not classical liberals) are among the most intolerant people on the planet! Anyone that isn't tolerant of their views is just called an outright Nazi last I checked!
So it kind of goes both ways. The 'Middle Ground' has long left town, as well as common sense....seems people have to be one or the other!
They're out right dangerous, they're going to give America back to Mexico.
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It was an approximate number!
My words: "The US population is about 50% white and 50% other colors and ethnicities."
Amazing time and again how you try to find the smallest fault yet are happily overlooking even the biggest flaws of your beloved Mr. T and his administration.
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Not obsessed eh?
Still not obsession, fringe group that has no MSM promoting them, unlike the left that has CNN, MSNBC, Late Night Comics, Hollywood and the education system all pushing the leftist agenda.
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It was an approximate number!
My words: "The US population is about 50% white and 50% other colors and ethnicities."
Amazing time and again how you try to find the smallest fault yet are happily overlooking even the biggest flaws of your beloved Mr. T and his administration.
It has nothing to do with Mr. T, you always try and paint anyone that disagrees with your far leftist progressive bs as a Trump supporter. Get over it already.
I don't overlook Mr. T's flaws, I just don't obsess over them like you and a few others do. We all have flaws.
You should take Mack's posts to heart, he's not blinded by ideology.
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And what is Fox News, Sinclair Group, One America, The Blaze, The Daily Caller, Infowars, etc. etc.?
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It was an approximate number!
My words: "The US population is about 50% white and 50% other colors and ethnicities."
Amazing time and again how you try to find the smallest fault yet are happily overlooking even the biggest flaws of your beloved Mr. T and his administration.
You can't win any debates using the actual facts and data so you have to tilt them. Wasn't the first time Lock or I pointed it out.
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Thank you for the "bs" word, nice debating
...... second I am most certainly neither left nor right and not even center. I am a realist who sees the flaws and wrongs wherever they are. You clearly do everything to "overlook Mr. T's flaws" since you can't stop posting videos + statements to deflect from everything that is brought up against your dear leader.
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What exactly and where did I tilt facts? I did not have the exact numbers and gave an approximate value. The word "about" is surely in your vocabulary?
Does the intern picture even reflect the lower percentage of non-white people in the US? Clearly no.
You and Lock hang yourself on the slightest inaccuracies and then try to paint posters as liars. Plus I do not debate to "WIN" a debate. That already tells me enough about you.
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Don't know about the others but Fox and OAN do not defend UTR.
Love Tammy Bruce take on things.
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What exactly and where did I tilt facts? I did not have the exact numbers and gave an approximate value. The word "about" is surely in your vocabulary?
Does the intern picture even reflect the lower percentage of non-white people in the US? Clearly no.
You and Lock hang yourself on the slightest inaccuracies and then try to paint posters as liars. Plus I do not debate to "WIN" a debate. That already tells me enough about you.
Does the intern picture even reflect the lower percentage of non-white people in the US? Clearly no.
So what, That is leftist ideology. Go to McDonalds here, won't find a white worker, hasn't been for 40 years. Does that represent the workforce? Mack explained it to you but you're full of the leftist koolaid and can't fathom he could have nailed it. Seen an overweight girl in the intern pic front row. How did Trump let that happen?
You and Lock hang yourself on the slightest inaccuracies and then try to paint posters as liars.
No, you mix opinion and speculation and emo's in and present it as fact.
I post accurate information and let the members judge for them, video form works well.
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just a note....most of your videos are from fox news, edited to suit whatever they want to say...and if they are not from fox...they have been edited to suit the narrative as well.
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so what, are the words coming out of the guests mouths edited?
edit: I might add, I happened to watch Chris Como's show and heard him say what he said in the Fox video. Oddly CNN never posted it on Youtube or I would have posted it instead.
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And all the guests are impartial.
Edit: how convenient that we don’t have a video of chris como to see the context ...anyway not gonna argue about how bias all the media is.
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Well I can tell when a guest is being straight with me or not. Sorry you can't.
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I don't know how I missed this.
I'm sorry. I thought it was just another way to say crazy. Someone recently explained to me that in the UK-- terms like nutter and g*t are very harsh . I've been called crazy ... along w/numerous variants of crazy just recently and I even saw someone called "g*t -- so I thought I was being tame. I won't do it again. I'm not sure I can promise there won't be another Va-jay- jay post... (jk.
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Maybe good to read this book to open your eyes at least a little to reality. Woodward is not some sensationalist reporter or a reality TV personality and his past books about other WH administrations were rather accurate.
Of course Mr. T says now: “It’s just another bad book. He’s had a lot of credibility problems.” Rather rich coming from the "liar-in-chief", especially when in the published phone call transcript between Mr. T and Woodward he says something completely different. Quelle surprise!
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Maybe good to read this book to open your eyes at least a little to reality. Woodward is not some sensationalist reporter or a reality TV personality and his past books about other WH administrations were rather accurate.
Of course Mr. T says now: “It’s just another bad book. He’s had a lot of credibility problems.” Rather rich coming from the "liar-in-chief", especially when in the published phone call transcript between Mr. T and Woodward he says something completely different. Quelle surprise!
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yep, "Mr. T" is finished. MAGA finished. Sad day for America.
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Your answer confirms your complete ignorance, but that's OK.
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Thank you for understanding.
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I want basil brush ! 
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it may go like this, "T" gets impeached, Pence becomes president, Pence runs in 2020, the "T" supporters are pissed and come out in record numbers to elect Pence. Pence continues the "T" agenda. The libs are back to screaming at the moon.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Pence. Would be your own problem but Trump is a problem for everyone. Pence at least knows the issues. Trump doesn't know anything...isn't willing to learn anything. He's just pure chaos making decisions based on his own feelings. Not based in any kind of facts. But that's how the right-wing seems to be going now. Ignore facts or just lie about them...just go with what feels right. Be against anything that seems leftist. It's pretty sad that you always need enemies: Clinton, liberals, immigrants, Pelosi, Kaepernick, Obama etc. Do you have any kind of positive agenda? And you say the left-wing has gone far left. I'd say you've gone much further right with your hateful views and policies.
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That would mean pence isn’t under investigation and doesn’t have anything compromising on all those emails that disappeared from his personal server when he wasn’t the vp.
Imagine. Government officials using private email servers for government purposes and then said emails not available....
And the right can hold all the nazi alt right rallies they want while the liberals scream at the moon....nice people on either side to quote president trump.
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Don’t underestimate the power of cheating a second time....
Bush Jr cheated too didn't he with that Florida recount if I remember.....there's all sorts of subterfuge and cheating going on with all sides.
I understand people get het up over Trump but Dubya was far worse that I can see! Thank God Social Media was in its infancy or else he would have been 'Trumped' before Trump
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imo, its only you that think the policies are hateful because you're a social justice person, that is all you consider when weighing any issues.
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Then I would support Bernie Sanders. But I don't. True that I want what's best for the people in general always. But there are other things like terrorism, financial, alliances, Russia etc. Sanders wouldn't handle those well.
Why do you support Trump instead of any other republican? Any republican would bring tax cuts always...smaller goverment etc. Let me guess...immigration? I guess he talked the way you really think about immigrants?
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I wanted Jeb Bush but he did not perform well. I was married to an immigrant from Yerevan so your wrong there. Had to fight the social security rep on the phone to get her family (parents & daughter) legal social security numbers. There is a difference between doing it the right way and the wrong way but your social justice thinking does not let you accept it.
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Well you basically kidnapped 500 kids and sent their parents away. Good job. Nice way to enforce the law. There is a right way to do things and yours isn't it.
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Well it's nice that you learned Tucker's whataboutisms when you don't want to acknowledge your own problems. Yes we have problems in Europe too and we're trying to fix them. But your president is still the most ridiculous thing seen in a while and you keep supporting him anyway.
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NY TIMES OPED retweeted by Kellyanne Conway's husband today on twitter.
The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers.
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration
I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
I would know. I am one of them.
To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.
But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.
That is why many Trump appointees have
The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.
Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.
But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.
From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.
Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.
“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.
The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.
It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.
The result is a two-track presidency.
Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.
Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.
On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant
This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.
Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.
The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.
Senator John McCain put it best in his
We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.
There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.
The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.
The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers.
I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration
I work for the president but like-minded colleagues and I have vowed to thwart parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
President Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader.
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The dilemma — which he does not fully grasp — is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
I would know. I am one of them.
To be clear, ours is not the popular “resistance” of the left. We want the administration to succeed and think that many of its policies have already made America safer and more prosperous.
But we believe our first duty is to this country, and the president continues to act in a manner that is detrimental to the health of our republic.
That is why many Trump appointees have
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to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting Mr. Trump’s more misguided impulses until he is out of office.The root of the problem is the president’s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
Although he was elected as a Republican, the president shows little affinity for ideals long espoused by conservatives: free minds, free markets and free people. At best, he has invoked these ideals in scripted settings. At worst, he has attacked them outright.
In addition to his mass-marketing of the notion that the press is the “enemy of the people,” President Trump’s impulses are generally anti-trade and anti-democratic.
Don’t get me wrong. There are bright spots that the near-ceaseless negative coverage of the administration fails to capture: effective deregulation, historic tax reform, a more robust military and more.
But these successes have come despite — not because of — the president’s leadership style, which is impetuous, adversarial, petty and ineffective.
From the White House to executive branch departments and agencies, senior officials will privately admit their daily disbelief at the commander in chief’s comments and actions. Most are working to insulate their operations from his whims.
Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.
“There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.
The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful.
It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t.
The result is a two-track presidency.
Take foreign policy: In public and in private, President Trump shows a preference for autocrats and dictators, such as President Vladimir Putin of Russia and North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, and displays little genuine appreciation for the ties that bind us to allied, like-minded nations.
Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.
On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant
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so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior. But his national security team knew better — such actions had to be taken, to hold Moscow accountable.This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.
Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until — one way or another — it’s over.
The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility.
Senator John McCain put it best in his
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. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them.
There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first. But the real difference will be made by everyday citizens rising above politics, reaching across the aisle and resolving to shed the labels in favor of a single one: Americans.
The writer is a senior official in the Trump administration.
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also seems that the missing children are a target of criminals...not governments yanking them from their parents at the border.
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This is a spoof surely?
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One hopes. But I think it’s real.
I copied pasted article cuz sometimes it doesn’t show....but here’s the link.
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The Times’ publication of the anonymous op-ed set off a predictable guessing game about who was behind it. The Drudge Report announced it with the all-red top headline, “SABOTEUR INSIDE WHITE HOUSE.”
NBC News reporter Peter Alexander tweeted that he had “just handed top Trump communications officials a printed copy of NYT op-ed. They say it’s the first time they’re seeing it. I’ve requested WH comment. They’re huddled in Sarah Sanders office now.”
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