North Korea and US politics

[lockinlove]

i don't think they used campaign funds. they wouldn't be that stupid.

and yes all of those things that giuliani said i believe...celebrity nda's etc... as well as your possible scenario...all seem possible and true.

however my point is...why all the lies. just makes him look more suspicious.

as for giuliani ...i think it's getting ahead of the game...lessen the blow that the president of the usa lied about not knowing about the payment. and this in itself is a joke.
i think the other side has proof that he knew and that's why giuliani and co are getting ahead of the game. but honestly at this point no one cares cuz of the amount of lies we are used to. which i guess is the point of all the lies to begin with.

In regards to lying about this. The same reason Obama and Clinton lied and all the rest when messing around on their wives. Clinton being the worse of the 3. But because this is something that destroys a person and their legacy forever no one is ever going to stand up and say yeah I screwed a porn star and then paid her off to shut her up. He made a mistake, he did a douchey thing a long time ago. I do not think that should define or take down his presidency.I feel the same about Obama. I dont think because he messed around on Michelle before he was president that should have defined who he was a president either.

If the media wouldnt be out to hang him, maybe he could say yeah I messed up a long time ago. But come on, do you really want to read about this every single day for the 2-6 years? because I know the media would go on and on and on and on forever. he didnt do it while in the white house so it shouldnt be of anyones concern. Only thing that should be of concern is if he did something illegal like use campaign funds. Seems like he didnt. So the media should move on and go onto their next hit job.

I read last night that Trump keeps wanting to meet with Mueller because he has nothing to hide but his lawyers arent letting him because they read his questions and alot of them seem outrageous and trying to entice him into traps. Its ridiculous. They have nothing on him at all. If they did they wouldnt need to talk to him.

Can we stop the fake news and just go back to doing hit jobs on his hair, the dumb thing he says like Bush did or how he drinks water. 15 months. And nothing. Its boring.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Mike Pompeo. "Iran hid a vast atomic archive from the world and from the IAEA - until today," Mr Pompeo added.


If you are referring to the ex cia chief Hayden, well I wouldnt take anything he says seriously as he is completely anti trump and is another one who has a book out bashing the president.



Israel PM seems like a bit of a drama queen but I dont really blame him since Iran leadership hold marches and chant death to all Jews and Israel. I wouldnt want them having nukes either if I were him.


But none of these agencies knew the extent. None of them have reviewed all those documents until now. They suggested some of the claims but alot of it was guess work. And of course they know Iran was after weapons. That is not new, hence why there was a deal made in the first place.



In the end what it comes down to is what Iran is doing. And their leaders chanting death to america and jews and having classes in schools on how to hate and destroy the infidel americans and jews is what is concerning.

Since the agreement was signed in 2015:



On June 24, 2016, Hezbollah secretary general Hassan Nasrallah delivered a speech dealing with Hezbollah’s current challenges. “Hezbollah’s budget, salaries, funds, food, drink [and] weapons all come from Iran… As long as Iran has money, we have money,” he said

As of May 2016,
Iran continued to develop its ballistic missile program, with no penalty from the United States, or the international community.
Iran had conducted tests on ballistic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear weapon eight times. In testimony before the Senate, Mr. Michael Elleman expressed that these missile tests sought to increase missile accuracy.



In December 2015, an Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps vessel fired unguided rockets in close proximity of the USS Harry Truman in international waters.



Not long after the agreement:

a German intelligence document charges that Iran continues to flout the agreement.


Merkel said Iran is actively seeking missile and nuclear technology, and that NATO must guard against attack by the Islamic Republic. Germany’s Angela Merkel also described Iran’s violations of UN Security Council’s anti-missile regulations: “Iran continued unabated to develop its rocket program in conflict with the relevant provisions of the UN Security Council,” Merkel told the Bundestag.

Iran has escalated its threats toward Israel. Over the past year, Iranian officials have stated, “Israel should be annihilated,” “God willing, there will be no Zionist regime in 25 years,” and “We will raze the Zionist regime in less than eight minutes.”

Iranian ambassador to Lebanon Mohammad FathAli pledged that Iran would give a sum of $7,000 to the family of every “martyr of the Jerusalem Intifada,” speaking at a press conference held in Beirut on February 24, 2016. FathAli further said that Iran would give a sum of $30,000 to “any family whose house was destroyed by the occupation, because one of its members participated in the Jerusalem Intifada against the Zionist occupiers.”





Yeah seems they are quite the nice bunch following the agreement.

Oh please, stop with this Iran blasting Israel and the US, death chants and the like. You repeated it ad nauseam. Just like White Supremacists in the US, Nazis in Germany, etc, you have a minority of hard liners in Iran who wish just that and they could have done it decades ago if they wanted to. But that does not mean all of Iran wishes the same.

Faux (Fox) News of course taking out of context what the German report actually said.

2015 report - to which Faux News is referring

2016 report - the first full year after the implementation of JPCOA

 

[lockinlove]

Can you explain your reasoning for defending a terrorist funding government that preaches death upon entire countries? I have a hard time understanding why you hate the USA but defend a country who blatantly threatens countries and all its citizens?

And as long as you defend terrorists, I will keep bringing it up and asking you questions so get used to it.

Sorry you are wrong. This is confirmed by Congressman Doug Lamborn who sits on the armed service committee. Also, the german quotes are exact quotes from Merkel herself. Nothing was taken out of context at all. Nice try.

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Congressman Doug Lamborn represents Colorado’s fifth district. He is an original co-sponsor of H.R. 5911, the No Heavy Water for Iran Act, which prohibits the U.S. from purchasing excess heavy water for Iran. He sits on the Armed Services Committee.

And now that we got that out of the way, care to comment on the rest of the facts posted about what Iran has done and is doing. For example offering people money to kill jews. And the other 5-6 facts posted that you so easily disregard and dont bother with.

 

[Steviedoo]

In regards to lying about this. The same reason Obama and Clinton lied and all the rest when messing around on their wives. Clinton being the worse of the 3. But because this is something that destroys a person and their legacy forever no one is ever going to stand up and say yeah I screwed a porn star and then paid her off to shut her up. He made a mistake, he did a douchey thing a long time ago. I do not think that should define or take down his presidency.I feel the same about Obama. I dont think because he messed around on Michelle before he was president that should have defined who he was a president either.

If the media wouldnt be out to hang him, maybe he could say yeah I messed up a long time ago. But come on, do you really want to read about this every single day for the 2-6 years? because I know the media would go on and on and on and on forever. he didnt do it while in the white house so it shouldnt be of anyones concern. Only thing that should be of concern is if he did something illegal like use campaign funds. Seems like he didnt. So the media should move on and go onto their next hit job.

I read last night that Trump keeps wanting to meet with Mueller because he has nothing to hide but his lawyers arent letting him because they read his questions and alot of them seem outrageous and trying to entice him into traps. Its ridiculous. They have nothing on him at all. If they did they wouldnt need to talk to him.

Can we stop the fake news and just go back to doing hit jobs on his hair, the dumb thing he says like Bush did or how he drinks water. 15 months. And nothing. Its boring.

firstly you are throwing around obama in the same sentence as clinton and trump....in context of cheating. which is laughable considering one got impeached and the other one has three wives of which two he cheated on(well documented by the way)...and well porn star says he did on melania so that might be three...so stop making it sound like its real. and obama in the same sentence as clinton in terms of cheating...that's even worse.

you missed the point....he lied about knowing that she was paid off....yes i would understand lying about the actual affair. but the payoff. just say my lawyer did what he had to do. that's it. move on.

trump and those questions...those are not questions from mueller...those are the question the trump camp came up with worst case scenario and leaked to the press.

 

[lockinlove]

firstly you are throwing around obama in the same sentence as clinton and trump....in context of cheating. which is laughable considering one got impeached and the other one has three wives of which two he cheated on(well documented by the way)...and well porn star says he did on melania so that might be three...so stop making it sound like its real. and obama in the same sentence as clinton in terms of cheating...that's even worse.

you missed the point....he lied about knowing that she was paid off....yes i would understand lying about the actual affair. but the payoff. just say my lawyer did what he had to do. that's it. move on.

trump and those questions...those are not questions from mueller...those are the question the trump camp came up with worst case scenario and leaked to the press.

Strange. Not long ago you said cheating is cheating. Now one is less than the other because it fits your agenda? Laughable at best.

Isnt Trump denying the affair? Why would he ever admit to paying her off?

Wrong about Mueller and the questions

 

[Harry_BKK]

Can you explain your reasoning for defending a terrorist funding government that preaches death upon entire countries? I have a hard time understanding why you hate the USA but defend a country who blatantly threatens countries and all its citizens?

And as long as you defend terrorists, I will keep bringing it up and asking you questions so get used to it.

Sorry you are wrong. This is confirmed by Congressman Doug Lamborn who sits on the armed service committee. Also, the german quotes are exact quotes from Merkel herself. Nothing was taken out of context at all. Nice try.

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Yet again you accuse me of hating the USA. Wrong as usual. "And as long as you keep up your wrongful accusations, I will give you the same answer so get used to it."

Terrorist funding government - the US government funding the Taliban (to name just one example of the many) was not terrorist funding? Plus, yet again you post a lie about me. I never defended the Iranian government, I defended the Iranian people, big difference when you read it correctly, which you don't seem to be capable of or just don't want to do it.

Mr. T threatened to erase North Korea - where was your outcry then? Oh it was just Mr. T being Mr. T

I was referring to the BfV report, not Merkel's statement (I might consider looking into the Bundestag archives to see what the entire text was), maybe learning to read properly would be now a good idea. Faux News of course did not follow up on the next report (2016) to see whether it got worse or better after JPCOA was fully implemented. Why would they as it doesn't fit their biased agenda.

And nowhere does the report state that the procurement activities have been for nuclear weapons, it says nuclear technology, which can be peaceful if you care to read up on that.

 

[goatwack]

Mike Pompeo. "Iran hid a vast atomic archive from the world and from the IAEA - until today," Mr Pompeo added.


If you are referring to the ex cia chief Hayden, well I wouldnt take anything he says seriously as he is completely anti trump and is another one who has a book out bashing the president.



Israel PM seems like a bit of a drama queen but I dont really blame him since Iran leadership hold marches and chant death to all Jews and Israel. I wouldnt want them having nukes either if I were him.


But none of these agencies knew the extent. None of them have reviewed all those documents until now. They suggested some of the claims but alot of it was guess work. And of course they know Iran was after weapons. That is not new, hence why there was a deal made in the first place.



In the end what it comes down to is what Iran is doing. And their leaders chanting death to america and jews and having classes in schools on how to hate and destroy the infidel americans and jews is what is concerning.

Since the agreement was signed in 2015:



On June 24, 2016, Hezbollah secretary general Hassan Nasrallah delivered a speech dealing with Hezbollah’s current challenges. “Hezbollah’s budget, salaries, funds, food, drink [and] weapons all come from Iran… As long as Iran has money, we have money,” he said

As of May 2016,
Iran continued to develop its ballistic missile program, with no penalty from the United States, or the international community.
Iran had conducted tests on ballistic missiles capable of delivering a nuclear weapon eight times. In testimony before the Senate, Mr. Michael Elleman expressed that these missile tests sought to increase missile accuracy.



In December 2015, an Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps vessel fired unguided rockets in close proximity of the USS Harry Truman in international waters.



Not long after the agreement:

a German intelligence document charges that Iran continues to flout the agreement.


Merkel said Iran is actively seeking missile and nuclear technology, and that NATO must guard against attack by the Islamic Republic. Germany’s Angela Merkel also described Iran’s violations of UN Security Council’s anti-missile regulations: “Iran continued unabated to develop its rocket program in conflict with the relevant provisions of the UN Security Council,” Merkel told the Bundestag.

Iran has escalated its threats toward Israel. Over the past year, Iranian officials have stated, “Israel should be annihilated,” “God willing, there will be no Zionist regime in 25 years,” and “We will raze the Zionist regime in less than eight minutes.”

Iranian ambassador to Lebanon Mohammad FathAli pledged that Iran would give a sum of $7,000 to the family of every “martyr of the Jerusalem Intifada,” speaking at a press conference held in Beirut on February 24, 2016. FathAli further said that Iran would give a sum of $30,000 to “any family whose house was destroyed by the occupation, because one of its members participated in the Jerusalem Intifada against the Zionist occupiers.”





Yeah seems they are quite the nice bunch following the agreement.

For someone who dislikes anti-American sentiment and criticism of Americans in general, you have quite the disdain for Iran and Iranians. Because of some stock footage of flag burning and some fanatical chants from some mobs, Iran/ Iranians are all the same to you and just filthy liars

Perhaps we should invade those pesky Iranians based on, well, WMDs I guess.

You can't have it both ways

 

[lockinlove]

Yet again you accuse me of hating the USA. Wrong as usual. "And as long as keep up your wrongful accusations, I will give you the same answer so get used to it."

Terrorist funding government - the US government funding the Taliban (to name just one example of the many) was not terrorist funding? Plus, yet again you post a lie about me. I never defended the Iranian government, I defended the Iranian people, big difference when you read it correctly, which you don't seem to be capable of or just don't want to do it.

Trump threatened to erase North Korea - where was your outcry then? Oh it was just Trump being Trump

I was referring to the BfV report, not Merkel's statement (I might consider looking into the Bundestag archives to see what the entire text was), maybe learning to read properly would be now a good idea. Faux News of course did not follow up on the next report (2016) to see whether it got worse or better after JPCOA was fully implemented. Why would they as it doesn't fit their biased agenda.

And nowhere does the report state that it the procurement activities have been for nuclear weapons, it says nuclear technology, which can be peaceful if you care to read up on that.

Well you are the one that said when you visited the USA you never met such rude and arrogant people and then your dislike for american government... but then you said that Iran has the most friendly and gracious people. You have defended the Iranian government. You have never said one negative thing about them in our discussions either. You have only made excuses. And yet again with your post here, you have walked around the question and not answered anything I asked. Instead attacked the USA and once again defended Iran. Its always the same.

So I will ask again. Why do you defend a terrorist country but can easily call out the USA?

And nowhere does the report state that it the procurement activities have been for nuclear weapons, it says nuclear technology, which can be peaceful if you care to read up on that.

Again. Unwilling to call Iran out. Funny. A rogue government that has been caught lying and all the intentions in the world to make nukes, you somehow come to the conclusion that oh hey, it can be peaceful.

I will ask again. What are your thoughts on the Iranian government threatening to destroy Israel and reward people who kill them with money gifts. What are your thought on Iran breaking the deal by making and testing ballistic missiles.

What are your thoughts on Iran funding terrorist groups?

What are your thoughts on Iran ignoring the UN agreement Under UNSCR 2231, the United Nations Security Council must approve the sale and transfer of offensive weapons to and from Iran. Tehran is putting considerable resources into conventional military priorities such as ballistic and cruise missiles naval systems, unmanned aerial vehicles, air defense systems.

Ahhh so now links of what Merkel stated might be strewed and the sources fake because you dont have time to verify them by digging though the Bundestag archives?

What are you ranting on about fox news and bias against Iran? I have read numerous things about Iran and its aggression in 2017 from CNN to ABC to BBC

So hopefully I get a proper response instead of avoiding the questions and instead attacking Israel and the USA. And then trying to derail the thread by telling me I am blind, cannot read etc etc your usual spiel.

 

[lockinlove]

For someone who dislikes anti-American sentiment and criticism of Americans in general, you have quite the disdain for Iran and Iranians. Because of some stock footage of flag burning and some fanatical chants from some mobs, Iran/ Iranians are all the same to you and just filthy liars

Perhaps we should invade those pesky Iranians based on, well, WMDs I guess.

You can't have it both ways

Strange. All my posts have been about the Iranian government aside from the marches.

And no the chants arent from just mobs. Its led by the government. And those statements are from high level government officials.

I said Iranians are all filthy liars? Where?

 

[goatwack]

Strange. All my posts have been about the Iranian government aside from the marches.

And no the chants arent from just mobs. Its led by the government.

I said Iranians are all filthy liars? Where?

I'm stating Iran/ Iranians because your average everyday Iranian is no different to its politicians. I take it you're just like Justine Trudeau because you're Canadian then.

In a nutshell, USA & Israel ( ) are without blame whilst Iran/ Iranians lie to the world on TV about its nuclear weapons arsenal, and are the pantomime villains this week. Last week it was full- on about Russia

It's easy to fit foreign cultures into a box and call them something because it's easier that way. It's pretty apparent in your tone that you don't like Iranians

 

[lockinlove]

I'm stating Iran/ Iranians because your average everyday Iranian is no different to its politicians. I take it you're just like Justine Trudeau because you're Canadian then.

In a nutshell, USA & Israel ( ) are without blame whilst Iran/ Iranians lie to the world on TV about its nuclear weapons arsenal

It's easy to fit foreign cultures into a box and call them something because it's easier that way. It's pretty apparent in your tone that you don't like Iranians

What are you talking about?

I didnt say Israel or the USA are without blame??

Where did I say this stuff?



Its apparent in my tone I dont like Iranian people. like the citizens you mean? You get that for me calling out their government????

So I guess by your logic Steviedoo hates all americans because she always calls out american politicians?

 

[goatwack]

What are you talking about?

I didnt say Israel or the USA are without blame??

Where did I say this stuff?



Its apparent in my tone I dont like Iranian people. like the citizens you mean? You get that for me calling out their government????

So I guess by your logic Steviedoo hates all americans because she always calls out american politicians?

Ok so now you're pleading the innocent and backtracking, differentiating the two. When you criticize a country in your post you're attacking its people. Me saying I hate Americans is a lot different to I hate the American government, for example.

Every post citing Iran you seemingly don't make that distinction, which is quite the oversight for a political thread. Maybe you ought to be clearer and specify you mean the Iranian government. Your average Iranian is all the things Harry's mentioned in previous posts, the guy's spot on

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Me and people on my stream joke around how lockinlove is so passionate about politics and a lot of people lurk this thread its very interesting. I actually laughed about it with her in my stream one day when she came and visited - when a bunch of us were on discord or skype. Actually most people on twitch ask her how the politics thread is going when we see her. Not in a bad way but I cant believe people waste this much time on things. But all the more power to you guys.

But cool it guys with insulting her calling her a racist and all the other stuff. I lurk this thread every day and nothing even close to that is true. I see two or three of you actually doing nothing but talking shit.

As the English would say

Bloody hell.

 

[goatwack]

Me and people on my stream joke around how lockinlove is so passionate about politics and a lot of people lurk this thread its very interesting. I actually laughed about it with her in my stream one day when she came and visited - when a bunch of us were on discord or skype. Actually most people on twitch ask her how the politics thread is going when we see her. Not in a bad way but I cant believe people waste this much time on things. But all the more power to you guys.

But cool it guys with insulting her calling her a racist and all the other stuff. I lurk this thread every day and nothing even close to that is true. I see two or three of you actually doing nothing but talking shit.

As the English would say

Bloody hell.

Iranians aren't a race, so no one's calling people 'racist'. You see the term used for everything these days, so that's a big fail.

As for the 'other stuff', she can defend herself and hold her own in debate. And if you don't like people 'talking shit' then report it, no doubt, and stop reading it

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Well if you want to be matter of fact. Iranians are a race. Its called Aryan or Persian. So the fail is with you.

 

[slotplayer]

yeah I watched it. He either messed up huge or got ahead of the ball because it was going to be outted anyways. So Trump is either going to be super pissed this morning or he was aware they were going to get ahead of the ball. It might have been the only way for them to prove they didnt use campaign funds

Rudy suggested that with rich controversial people who have alot of court cases have lawyers take care of things, bill them and they pay. Trump has dozens and dozens of suits against him every year for many years. Its possible that cohen said to Trump I need 130k, im going to pay for it out of my pocket, I cant tell you what its about because it may self incriminate you and then you can pay me back. Its called an NDA between client and attorney.

Or Trump knew and has been told under no circumstance can you admit you did this.

Which one do I believe? No idea. In one sense I have a hard time thinking a former mayor of new york, high profile attorney, former attorney General for reagan, US attorney for New York made such a crazy mistake. but sometime old confident people slip up. So who knows.

Only thing I care about is if he used campaign funds. Aside from that I could truly care less. I wouldnt let some money hungry porn star take down my presidency either because I did something 12 years ago.

Cant comment on what hes said lately about deficits with Canada because I havent seen anything on it

like a pundit pointed out, its doubtful Trump even writes checks.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well you are the one that said when you visited the USA you never met such rude and arrogant people and then your dislike for american government... but then you said that Iran has the most friendly and gracious people. You have defended the Iranian government. You have never said one negative thing about them in our discussions either. You have only made excuses. And yet again with your post here, you have walked around the question and not answered anything I asked. Instead attacked the USA and once again defended Iran. Its always the same.

- Rude and arrogant - I stated that relating to my border entry, not the American people
- Disliking some actions of the US government doesn't mean disliking the US people. Does that get into your head for once!!! You have been told that by many posters in this and the Mr. T thread. I have some dislikes with my own government, it is just natural that we can't always agree on what our government is doing. Does that mean I dislike Germany?

So I will ask again. Why do you defend a terrorist country but can easily call out the USA?

- I have NOT defended the Iranian government
- By your standard is the USA a terrorist country just like Iran. They have supported various terrorist groups throughout the last decades that fitted their agenda / foreign policies. Hence, they are no better or worse than Iran and there is no need to defend the Iran, they can do that very well themselves without my help.
- Will the USA stop funding terrorist groups if Iran stops doing it?

Again. Unwilling to call Iran out. Funny. A rogue government that has been caught lying and all the intentions in the world to make nukes, you somehow come to the conclusion that oh hey, it can be peaceful.

- Nuclear technology can be and is used for peaceful uses. Iran claimed they never wanted to use it for weapons purposes and that has been pretty much true since they gave up in 2003. As the docs Israel found state, it never made it past the "sketch" stage. Plus, the program was started after they saw what happened to Iraq, twice within a decade. Understandable in a way, although I do not condone of any country pursuing or having nuclear weapons because one day one hothead will indeed press that ominous button which will bring humanity as we know it to an end on this planet.

What are your thoughts on Iran funding terrorist groups?

- We call them terrorist groups, for them they are their Shiite friends. Shiites are in the minority in the Middle East, and that by quite some margin. The connection between them runs deeper than just a few dollars to buy arms.
- However, funding them or any other group that pursues conflicts shouldn't be welcomed as it creates new or extends existing ones. I stated it countless times - violence will produce more violence, not peace.
- The Middle East has been a hotspot for millennia and accusing or blaming just one part is not correct, nor takes in account historical developments/issues.

BTW, how's that epic peace plan from Jared "Wunderkind" coming along?

What are your thoughts on Iran ignoring the UN agreement Under UNSCR 2231, the United Nations Security Council must approve the sale and transfer of offensive weapons to and from Iran. Tehran is putting considerable resources into conventional military priorities such as ballistic and cruise missiles naval systems, unmanned aerial vehicles, air defense systems.

- Iran is not ignoring the UN agreement. The IAEA reports repeatedly confirmed that they are in compliance with 2231.
- 2231 / JPCOA only refer to nuclear arms development, none of what you listed is part of the deal. And that with intention, as it was the only way to get them to agree to the nuclear deal. Every sovereign nation has the right to develop military equipment to defend itself.
- You agreed with Mr. T / Haley blasting the the UN as useless but suddenly you quote them to fit your argument. Having your cake and eating it, heh?

Ahhh so now links of what Merkel stated might be strewed and the sources fake because you dont have time to verify them by digging though the Bundestag archives?

- None of the links lead to Merkel's full speech in the Bundestag on that day, hence, any quoted passage could have been taken out of context. To verify that is just due diligence, which you don't seem to be interested in.

What are you ranting on about fox news and bias against Iran? I have read numerous things about Iran and its aggression in 2017 from CNN to ABC to BBC

- You quoted Fox News in your post, I didn't bring them up. And we all know that they will do anything to support Mr. T.
- If they would be interested in proper reporting they would have read as well the 2016 report and not just the 2015 issue. The 2016 report clearly indicates that the JPCOA is working as intended and that can only be a good thing. The fewer countries with nuclear weapons the better.

So hopefully I get a proper response instead of avoiding the questions and instead attacking Israel and the USA. And then trying to derail the thread by telling me I am blind, cannot read etc etc your usual spiel.

- I did not attack neither Israel, nor USA. What kind of nonsense are you coming up with?
- Well, I write about the German BfV report, you answer with Merkel - what does that mean? You are blind, cannot read or do not want to read properly, isn't it?

Well you are the one that said when you visited the USA you never met such rude and arrogant people and then your dislike for american government... but then you said that Iran has the most friendly and gracious people. You have defended the Iranian government. You have never said one negative thing about them in our discussions either. You have only made excuses. And yet again with your post here, you have walked around the question and not answered anything I asked. Instead attacked the USA and once again defended Iran. Its always the same.

So I will ask again. Why do you defend a terrorist country but can easily call out the USA?

And nowhere does the report state that it the procurement activities have been for nuclear weapons, it says nuclear technology, which can be peaceful if you care to read up on that.

Again. Unwilling to call Iran out. Funny. A rogue government that has been caught lying and all the intentions in the world to make nukes, you somehow come to the conclusion that oh hey, it can be peaceful.

I will ask again. What are your thoughts on the Iranian government threatening to destroy Israel and reward people who kill them with money gifts. What are your thought on Iran breaking the deal by making and testing ballistic missiles.

What are your thoughts on Iran funding terrorist groups?

What are your thoughts on Iran ignoring the UN agreement Under UNSCR 2231, the United Nations Security Council must approve the sale and transfer of offensive weapons to and from Iran. Tehran is putting considerable resources into conventional military priorities such as ballistic and cruise missiles naval systems, unmanned aerial vehicles, air defense systems.

Ahhh so now links of what Merkel stated might be strewed and the sources fake because you dont have time to verify them by digging though the Bundestag archives?

What are you ranting on about fox news and bias against Iran? I have read numerous things about Iran and its aggression in 2017 from CNN to ABC to BBC

So hopefully I get a proper response instead of avoiding the questions and instead attacking Israel and the USA. And then trying to derail the thread by telling me I am blind, cannot read etc etc your usual spiel.

 

[goatwack]

Well if you want to be matter of fact. Iranians are a race. Its called Aryan or Persian. So the fail is with you.

Yeah maybe during Alexander the Great's days, not now. Iran consists of many ethnicities and is not one race. The concept of Persian is still relatively new in history. No one cites 'Persians' as a race

 

[lockinlove]

Ok so now you're pleading the innocent and backtracking, differentiating the two. When you criticize a country in your post you're attacking its people. Me saying I hate Americans is a lot different to I hate the American government, for example.

Every post citing Iran you seemingly don't make that distinction, which is quite the oversight for a political thread. Maybe you ought to be clearer and specify you mean the Iranian government. Your average Iranian is all the things Harry's mentioned in previous posts, the guy's spot on

When you attack a government you attack the government. I have attacked trudeau and the liberal government, so you are saying I am attacking the people of Canada? I have said "Canada is a real mess right now" I am speaking about the government and economy. Not saying the citizens are a mess. You seem confused for no reason.

I make the distinction quite easily. Because I quote all government officials and never have once stated anything about its citizens.

So all the people hating on Trump and referring to "america gets involved in everything. Always has there nose in everything. War mongerers" And everything else people said using the term "America" Means they hate all the american citizens then?



So Harry calling out the Israel PM and using the terms " Israel" is him attacking all jews then?

 

[lockinlove]

Yeah maybe during Alexander the Great's days, not now. Iran consists of many ethnicities and is not one race. The concept of Persian is still relatively new in history. No one cites 'Persians' as a race

Wrong.

Iran actually means land of the Aryans.

Persian is a race and ethnicity but not a nationality.

Iran consists of 3 main ones. Persians, Fars and Pars.

And many people actually most, cite Persians as a race.

 

[Steviedoo]

like a pundit pointed out, its doubtful Trump even writes checks.

i don't think he even knows what a bank machine is to be honest...and that is not an insult....just the way the 1 percent live.

 

[goatwack]

When you attack a government you attack the government. I have attacked trudeau and the liberal government, so you are saying I am attacking the people of Canada? You seem confused for no reason.

I make the distinction quite easily. Because I quote all government officials and never have once stated anything about its citizens.

So all the people hating on Trump and referring to "america gets involved in everything. Always has there nose in everything. War mongerers" And everything else people said using the term "America" Means they hate all the american citizens then?



So Harry calling out the Israel PM is him attacking all jews then?

Either you've gone delirious, or your mouse cursor got stuck on the laugh emoji

It seems you're reading the bits you want and not getting my sentiment. I took my time typing it and everything

Believe what you will, I think you confuse yourself with your second- guessing and selective dissections.

Fact is every post of yours about Iran is negative, you simply don't like anything Iran- related. But again, no one threw 'racism' out there until Billy mentioned it

I stated if you don't want to split Iran/ Iranian government then don't throw your toys out of the pram if people criticize Americans

And no slagging off Iranians isn't racist

 

[Steviedoo]

I'm stating Iran/ Iranians because your average everyday Iranian is no different to its politicians. I take it you're just like Justine Trudeau because you're Canadian then.

oh oh...the ultimate insult calling lockinlove Jutsine trudeau.....bad...that's really bad goatie.

 

[slotplayer]

I worked with a guy from Iran back in the 1980's, super nice guy, still remember his name. He was very upset with the hostage situation.

 

[lockinlove]

i don't think he even knows what a bank machine is to be honest...and that is not an insult....just the way the 1 percent live.

Was actually going to type the same thing. Im sure he hasnt cooked a meal since he was born, written a check, p

Either you've gone delirious, or your mouse cursor got stuck on the laugh emoji

It seems you're reading the bits you want and not getting my sentiment. I took my time typing it and everything

Believe what you will, I think you confuse yourself with your second- guessing and selective dissections.

Fact is every post of yours about Iran is negative, you simply don't like anything Iran- related. But again, no one threw 'racism' out there until Billy mentioned it

I stated if you don't want to split Iran/ Iranian government then don't throw your toys out of the pram if people criticize Americans

And no slagging off Iranians isn't racist

Im laughing because your posts make absolutely no sense. And if you are taking the time to actually write this stuff maybe you shouldnt. You post better on a whim.

But just to be clear you stating someone doesnt like Iranian government and the people is suggesting I am at the very least discriminatory. Using the term racist can be argued but Id rather not get into what is race and what isnt.

I will post how I have been posting and if it makes you feel like I am hating on the people of Iran, well thats on you. And if you cant read between the lines, again thats on you.

Of course anything Ive said about Iran has been negative. I am discussing their politics which is disgusting. Not their scenery, or their favorite colors and what perfumes they use or what their favorite hobbies are. I am clearly quoting their leaders.

The only person that I called anti american is harry because he has both spoken negative of the people and the government.

You are going to have a busy day. You are going to have to quote all the people that referred to the american government as america/americans and tell them to stop too

Im going to have a busy day too. Looks like I need to go through the Trump thread to find some of Harrys posts that he says he didnt say

 

[slotplayer]

What makes some labeled "haters" is not their pov per se, its the constant lopsidedness of it.

 

[goatwack]

Was actually going to type the same thing. Im sure he hasnt cooked a meal since he was born, written a check, p


Im laughing because your posts make absolutely no sense. And if you are taking the time to actually write this stuff maybe you shouldnt. You post better on a whim.

But just to be clear you stating someone doesnt like Iranian government and the people is suggesting I am at the very least discriminatory. Using the term racist can be argued but Id rather not get into what is race and what isnt.

I will post how I have been posting and if it makes you feel like I am hating on the people of Iran, well thats on you. And if you cant read between the lines, again thats on you.

Of course anything Ive said about Iran has been negative. I am discussing their politics which is disgusting. Not their scenery, or their favorite colors and what perfumes they use or what their favorite hobbies are. I am clearly quoting their leaders.

The only person that I called anti american is harry because he has both spoken negative of the people and the government.

You are going to have a busy day. You are going to have to quote all the people that referred to the american government as america/americans and tell them to stop too

Im going to have a busy day too. Looks like I need to go through the Trump thread to find some of Harrys posts that he says he didnt say

Haha yeah ok Lock, you don't make the distinction at all.

Your posts suggest you believe them to be flag- burning, 'Death to America' - chanting rabid terrorist enablers at almost every turn, but as you were

 

[lockinlove]

Haha yeah ok Lock, you don't make the distinction at all.

Your posts suggest you believe them to be flag- burning, 'Death to America' - chanting rabid terrorist enablers at almost every turn, but as you were

You should probably read up on some stuff about Iran instead of laughing.

Quds day.

In Iran, the day's parades are sponsored and organized by the government.

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Events include mass marches and rallies. Senior Iranian leaders give fiery speeches condemning Israel, as well as the U.S. government. The crowds respond with chants of "Death to Israel", and "

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And even though they take part in that type of stuff. I still know that not all Iranians take part in it. Some of their people are wonderful and despise that type of shit. So please, save this poor victim attitude. Their government brings it themselves by holding these annual events.

If America held mutli million people annual marches chanting death to Iran or death to Britains or whoever, you think people here wouldnt be outraged and call them out on it? Please.

 

[goatwack]

You should probably read up on some stuff about Iran instead of laughing.

Quds day.

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And even though they take part in that type of stuff. I still know that not all Iranians take part in it. Some of their people are wonderful and despise that type of shit. So please, save this poor victim attitude. Their government brings it themselves by holding these annual events.

"Laughing"

"Poor victim attitude"

What? So going back to my original point, we can assume based on your logic that posters can have a field day criticizing Americans based on Trump's tenure, and Canadians too whilst we're at it because of Justin Trudeau then?

 

[lockinlove]

"Laughing"

"Poor victim attitude"

What? So going back to my original point, we can assume based on your logic that posters can have a field day criticizing Americans based on Trump's tenure, and Canadians too whilst we're at it because of Justin Trudeau then?

If you can find something comparable have at it. I dont see Trump or his supporters or americans holding annual marches chanting kill anyone or discriminating about anyone. Same with Canada.

Hate speech is illegal here.

And why are you quoting laughing. I responded to this "Haha yeah ok Lock, you don't make the distinction at all"

 

[goatwack]

If you can find something comparable have at it. I dont see Trump or his supporters or americans holding annual marches chanting kill anyone or discriminating about anyone. Same with Canada.

Hate speech is illegal here.

No, not officially. We just have Madonna and other 'celebrities' citing people to blow up the White House, Depp to kill the president etc

 

[lockinlove]

No, not officially. We just have Madonna and other 'celebrities' citing people to blow up the White House, Depp to kill the president etc

Here as in where I live. Hate Speech is a crime.

In america they dont have hate speech laws because they have freedom of speech. I dont know if those people were questioned but I believe at least a few of them were. Including Kathy Griffen who was detained for her antics. I know Depp apologized. Madonna was investigated by the secret service.

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(Title 18, Section 871), threatening the US president is a class E felony. Anyone who "knowingly and wilfully" makes "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm" upon the US president could be sentenced to up five years and/or be fined. It also includes the vice-president and presidential candidates.

If they want to be stupid enough to risk going to jail for 5 years because they think that type of soundbite is funny...well see ya. Rumors were she had to pay a fine but dont how true that is.

 

[goatwack]

Here as in where I live. Hate Speech is a crime.

In america they dont have hate speech laws because they have freedom of speech. I dont know if those people were questioned but I believe at least a few of them were. Including Kathy Griffen who was detained for her antics. I know Depp apologized. Madonna was investigated by the secret service.

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(Title 18, Section 871), threatening the US president is a class E felony. Anyone who "knowingly and wilfully" makes "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm" upon the US president could be sentenced to up five years and/or be fined. It also includes the vice-president and presidential candidates.

If they want to be stupid enough to risk going to jail for 5 years because they think that type of soundbite is funny...well see ya. Rumors were she had to pay a fine but dont how true that is.

So I take it when Trump says “They will be met with fire and the fury like the world has never seen” and "My nuclear button is bigger and it works" that doesn't incite violence, as the leader of the free world, and is simply Free Speech then.....

 

[lockinlove]

So I take it when Trump says “They will be met with fire and the fury like the world has never seen” and "My nuclear button is bigger and it works" that doesn't incite violence, as the leader of the free world, and is simply Free Speech then.....

It doesnt really apply like that. Hence why Israel, USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany and basically every country in the world have all made threats to countries at some point in history. Alot of the time its just rhetoric.

But if the world wants to make that sort of stuff illegal. Go ahead, Im all for it. Have fun policing it though

 

[livadiva]

Ok - I warned you in private about posting nonsensical nonsense in these threads. You may think it's funny, but your fellow members are complaining about it. Either try to join in on the conversation, or start your own thread about alpha females or whatever. Thank you.

Can you provide a dictionary definition of nonsensical? Perhaps you aren’t from Canada and can’t comprehend context. Or is responding your opinion as a PAB to a relevant post nonsensical in Narnia or wherever? Can you cite the site rules I am violating for future reference? Thank you again for warning me not to conform. Or is this your not polite way to ask me to F off? Sorry to ask for clarification in a public forum, I am not sure what is kosher and what is not.

 

[livadiva]

Ok - I warned you in private about posting nonsensical nonsense in these threads. You may think it's funny, but your fellow members are complaining about it. Either try to join in on the conversation, or start your own thread about alpha females or whatever. Thank you.

The NDP is looking for a Candidate for our region. Should I Pitch a Bitch or Run, since there seems to be no in between. Tomorrow is May the Force....

 

[lockinlove]

Might be why Kanye West is being so nice and sucking up to Trump on twitter. His wife Kim K has asked Trump to pardon her great grandmother who is serving a life sentence for drug trafficking.

 

[Chipkin9]

So I take it when Trump says “They will be met with fire and the fury like the world has never seen” and "My nuclear button is bigger and it works" that doesn't incite violence, as the leader of the free world, and is simply Free Speech then.....

Yea...no.

Trump or any American President for that matter is not the leader of the free world. He doesn't speak for me. He doesn't speak for my Nation. And he doesn't speak for my interests. Nor does he speak for the citizens of Europe or the other "free" nations of the world. Sure, people may see America as the most powerful of the free world; but this is a nation where "Freedom" is actually lower than other countries.

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Ranked 45th for Press Freedom. Net Neutrality. Gambling mostly Illegal. Hardly what I would call "Free". So I find it Ironic that people view the USA as leader of the "Free" world. Just my 2 cents.

Entirely agree with the rest of your post

 

[The Dude]

Can you provide a dictionary definition of nonsensical? Perhaps you aren’t from Canada and can’t comprehend context. Or is responding your opinion as a PAB to a relevant post nonsensical in Narnia or wherever? Can you cite the site rules I am violating for future reference? Thank you again for warning me not to conform. Or is this your not polite way to ask me to F off? Sorry to ask for clarification in a public forum, I am not sure what is kosher and what is not.

It's right here:
Forum Rules and Regulations - Casinomeister
1.18 – Don’t be a PITA Members who just don’t have a clue on what is socially acceptable, or are just too annoying will have their accounts closed. The administration and moderators of Casinomeister reserve the right to close accounts at our discretion. This may be a public forum that encourages freedom of expression, but it’s still our house. Abuse it and lose it.

 

[The Dude]

I am not telling you to F off, I am asking you to please either be a part of this conversation, or start your own. It's a simple and polite request.

 

[ternur]

It might be wise to keep your pompoms in the closet for a while in regards to JCPOA and Israeli evidence.

It's no secret Israel sees Iran as a mortal enemy and it wouldn't be the first time in history if propaganda was used to start a war. Netanyahu's news conference really had a audience of one. Not really a coincidence if look at the larger context: Syrian war and the way it has strengthened Hizbollah and involvement of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps in the region. And of course Mr. T's decision about the Iran nuclear deal.

With a grain of salt I'd say.

 

[bebo67]

Iran is about self preservation and Israel is about world domination. You wan't to find where most of the shadows live, Israel will be the first place to look. And sadly good friends of Canada Iran just want's to be left alone. Their evil is with in their own country, not exploited around the world. If they were to try and attack Israel they would be nuked! The rest of the countries hate when another country wont conform. And yes the states ( government) is a key player in trying to make other countries bend! Thats my two cents

 

[lockinlove]

I am not telling you to F off, I am asking you to please either be a part of this conversation, or start your own. It's a simple and polite request.

I would love to be part of a thread that consists of Narnia

<3 Aslan

 

[lockinlove]

Iran is about self preservation and Israel is about world domination. You wan't to find where most of the shadows live, Israel will be the first place to look. And sadly good friends of Canada Iran just want's to be left alone. Their evil is with in their own country, not exploited around the world. If they were to try and attack Israel they would be nuked! The rest of the countries hate when another country wont conform. And yes the states ( government) is a key player in trying to make other countries bend! Thats my two cents

Shouldnt call it Israel because it makes you look like you are talking about the people of the country and citizens.

 

[goatwack]

Shouldnt call it Israel because it makes you look like you are talking about the people of the country and citizens.

Your maturity level is off the hook

 

[lockinlove]

Your maturity level is off the hook

It has nothing to do with maturity level unless we want to talk about yours. You argued about this for quite some time today. Where is the outrage?

 

[goatwack]

It has nothing to do with maturity level unless we want to talk about yours. You argued about this for quite some time today. Where is the outrage?

Who says I'm outraged

I made my point(s) and personal observations, and you made yours. So now what

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Your maturity level is off the hook

You were complaining that people were using the term Iran. How is it different than someone using the term Israel?

 

[lockinlove]

Who says I'm outraged

I made my point(s) and personal observations, and you made yours. So now what

Lol not saying you are outraged. Just asking where it is. You were quite passionate about this earlier is all.

So now what? hmm. You buy me something alcoholic?

 

[goatwack]

You were complaining that people were using the term Iran. How is it different than someone using the term Israel?

Yes? It's not.

Anything else?