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Self defence he’s pleading, until convicted he’s innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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You have an opinion about the case? I'm sure you've seen the video.
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I have indeed, but I’ll let the judge make the final call.
But if I was the judge he would walk on the grounds of clear self defence.
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I'm glad you're not the judge
People could start shooting each other in barfights too.
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They are different situations, there is no element of self defence here imo. These thugs are pathetic, I think they were antifa, but were certainly part of a protesting crowd [after the floyd death].
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Those guys should go to jail too. But you'd defend Trump and Trumpsters in every single situation. No matter what they do. You'll make everything political and you've learned your selective outrage really well from Tucker.
Maybe you should go back to talking about Hillary's or Hunter Biden's e-mails again.
Maybe you should go back to talking about Hillary's or Hunter Biden's e-mails again.
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Anyways I was going to make a nice conciliatory message for tomorrow, may the best man win. If that is Biden so be it, I have a hunch it will be trump but I won't be gloating at members here, only at the bbc and media trying to influence the outcome with their unfair bias. I'm sure there could be many salty tears for them 
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Oh I’ll be gloating like the world has never seen mack, then I’ll get my mining gear out for all the salt that will be dripping from the forumAnyways I was going to make a nice conciliatory message for tomorrow, may the best man win. If that is Biden so be it, I have a hunch it will be trump but I won't be gloating at members here, only at the bbc and media trying to influence the outcome with their unfair bias. I'm sure there could be many salty tears for them
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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeported.
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I'm sure Trump could be re-elected, the pollsters have his chances at 1 or 2 in 10 and we know from 2016 polls can be like that. It's all a matter of those couple of electoral votes, if it was based on the popular vote nobody could even think that Trump had a chance.
On the other hand, polls have been improved since and there is probably less of a "shy" Trump-voters influence going on now. Let's be honest about that.
There's a reason Trump was and is still out rallying hard in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and other swing states instead of visiting other states where he has a lead in the polls. There's also a reason the Biden camp could visit states like Georgia.
I'll go and put some money on Trump and win either way
On the other hand, polls have been improved since and there is probably less of a "shy" Trump-voters influence going on now. Let's be honest about that.
There's a reason Trump was and is still out rallying hard in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and other swing states instead of visiting other states where he has a lead in the polls. There's also a reason the Biden camp could visit states like Georgia.
I'll go and put some money on Trump and win either way
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trump wins .
and then 4 more years of ivanka or don jr.
and then there will be nothing left of the USA i grew up in. nothing.
and then 4 more years of ivanka or don jr.
and then there will be nothing left of the USA i grew up in. nothing.
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Ivanka would be a great call after this next four years.
Also think Melania has carried herself with dignity and pride, she’s also most pleasing to the eye.
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Possibly they are expecting a certain side to riot after the results are in?..
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I just woke up.
Who won?
Who won?
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That would be great. What the US really needs, is some common sense in the White House.
Not saying there has not been any, imo Obama has been a decent president (looking from outside the country) for the past four years. Too bad his term is up now.Good luck Kanye.
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There could be another explanation of course. There have been numerous accusations of antifa protestors being bussed into hotspots, so it is entirely credible that far right-wing protestors have also been bussed into Democratic cities and districts, to cause mayhem and give the Republicans more fuel to criticise Democrats.
Not sure why anyone who is involved in violence is, according to you, only ever anitifa, and never these wonderful, clean-living, white-lives-matter Republicans of all ilks, e.g. extreme groups such as Proud Boys, White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, etc.
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I’m pretty sure mack would condemn any form of violence from any side. As do I.
Nobody is perfect and on both sides there is violent fuck wits, but the majority are from a certain side.. as the riots and lootings have shown us.
Also can’t see how the proud boys are far right white supremacist racists and bigots and the usual reeee..
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Yes, I sure Mack does. It is just that, whenever violence occurs, he always 'thinks' it is only ever antifa, often without proof. That is what I find hard to digest.
All the riots and lootings have shown us are that there are always thugs and opportunists everywhere, irrespective of political leanings, waiting for the chance to riot and loot.
Crikey. This has to be a tongue-in-cheek comment.
If not, then....I have no words.
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With respect I asked you the other evening to actually show me proof of trump being racist and you could not...
I don’t find the proud boys racist one bit personally.
Just got my MAGA hat sorted for work tomorrow actually, that will go down a storm lol...
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I showed you proof but for you it's not proof I guess.
You think David Duke is a racist?
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He’s scum.
Would like to have a few rounds with him on the canvas, why do you ask?..
You are aware my lifetime best friends are black?
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Well maybe Trump could give them a death penalty. He has no problem giving them to innocent black men as was shown in Central Park Five case.
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Can you digest this thread from Andy Ngo? covers that incident, he specifically mentions BLM/antifa riot; which is how I remembered him saying it at the time, hence my wording in that post.
That's the only proof that I can provide, there is a video somewhere of the incident unfolding if you really want to scrutinise it.
Edit: I think clicking the speech bubble by the 22.3k takes you to the thread.
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Why'd you think that "journalists" like Ngo speak the truth? They're relevant because of Trumpism and will do anything to stay relevant for another 4 years. If anything he's a partisan agitator.
I don't condone violence, like I've said before, but who says these guys that kicked the guy in the head are actually antifa or BLM members? Do you assume this because they were part of the protest?
I have nothing against partisan journalism btw. But what we've seen the past years isn't journalism, it's trying to divide D's and R's by agitating them, by blowing up small facts to make them seem huge. Both sides have been complicit.
If anything you'd think the mainstream media would love for Trump to win tomorrow, 4 more years of big stories on a daily basis. When Biden wins things will turn normal again and they'll have to find other stuff to report on. Sad times.
I don't condone violence, like I've said before, but who says these guys that kicked the guy in the head are actually antifa or BLM members? Do you assume this because they were part of the protest?
I have nothing against partisan journalism btw. But what we've seen the past years isn't journalism, it's trying to divide D's and R's by agitating them, by blowing up small facts to make them seem huge. Both sides have been complicit.
If anything you'd think the mainstream media would love for Trump to win tomorrow, 4 more years of big stories on a daily basis. When Biden wins things will turn normal again and they'll have to find other stuff to report on. Sad times.
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I could not? That is as far from the truth as it gets. I actually though I had, but here goes...again...
Refer to Page 512, post #10229.
And just to make sure my point in that post cannot be misunderstood:
Trump empowers racists with his speeches through his rhetoric, which is why many people believe it is ok to no longer have to hide their prejudices, anger and hatred, as the President has effectively told them it is ok.
And that is an example of Trump being racist, in case the point was missed.
Even though the group was founded by a Neo-Nazi?
Even though they believe in using violence as a tool?
Even though they have "gained a reputation over the past few years as a group of violent misogynist, racist, anti-semitic, islamophobic bullies'?
If you genuinely believe the PB are not racist, then I guess the facts are not going to change your mind.
You keep bringing this up. Why?
If it is to demonstrate that you are not racist, then IMHO, your support of the Proud Boys does the opposite.
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What would you like me to say?..
I will say the founder of the proud boys isn’t a neo-nazi haha!..
that’s the biggest load of piffle I’ve heard for a long time.
Gavin just has a different view to you, that does not make him a neo-nazi or racist, seriously you need to understand a lot of the meanings you accuse people of being before you throw them out there @ladyhawke...
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No-one is saying that is was not a BLM/antifa riot, and even Andy Ngo does not state the perpetrators of that beating were anitifa - at least, not in that tweet, so not sure what I am meant to 'digest'.
However, agitators from any political group are usually present at any riot, muddying the waters as to who was exactly to blame for mindless violence, and that is why I questioned you.
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He denies Nazi's are a thing so it's hard to say he's a Nazi if you are a supporter of his...
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You said my post or comment came with no proof, and I 'always' think it's antifa; how can I prove whether these two thugs are BLM supporters or antifa, what I did say is they were part of a protesting crowd after the floyd death.
[ I could have just said BLM, but I tend to think of those as marxists and political, and these kids were young so unlikely to be involved in that, that was my thinking ]
But other than this point, I've no idea what is the discussion from your posts in relation to my initial one; it feels to me like one big batch of whataboutism.
Some of trump's supporters are nasty bad guys? Yes I'm sure there are some.
But from where I am standing this mix of protesters [doesn't really matter what silly label they have given themselves] is a menace to law-abiding citizens. Setting fires and looting shops, shouting and screaming at normal people out for a meal, smashing tables and stealing their drinks/food. Absolutely out of control. And they are not republican voters or republican agitators, unless you can prove this?
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He’s a Holocaust denier? Really? If so I’ve missed this.
Can you show me a link, if this is the case then I’ll happily condemn him.
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Is it? Then perhaps you need to change your reading sources.
Seriously? Right back at you, although comprehension seems to be your biggest problem.
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Is this holocaust denial?.
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That's what you made of it. I said he said Nazi's aren't a thing and am showing you.
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You said he didn’t think the nazi’s are real.. therefor wouldn’t that mean the holocaust didn’t happen?
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I’m not the one handing out the personal attacks my dear...
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Must hit bed. Got comms and infrastructure to be assessing tomoz for the masses.
Kind of guy Iam, man of the people.
Will respond tomoz when I’m done.
Keep safe, keep MAGA !!!
Kind of guy Iam, man of the people.
Will respond tomoz when I’m done.
Keep safe, keep MAGA !!!
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Absolutely concur - no argument from me at all regarding this.
You actually said you thought they were antifa when there is no proof - anywhere - that this was the case, despite it being a blm/antifa rally. It's the assuming all the time that the bad guys must be antifa that I find disturbing.
See above.
Prove what? That the nasty bad guy Trump supporters are not republican voters or republican agitators? You are right...they must be antifa.
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Once again that's not what I said. I didn't say Nazi's aren't a thing, your boy Gavin did. You'd have to ask him.
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This thread is taking a serious turn for the worse - again.
I wonder why?
I wonder why?
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No you are mixing up all the posts and chopping and changing, the last part about republicans plainly relates to the paragraph it's in.
And I said in my original post " I think they were antifa, but were certainly part of a protesting crowd [after the floyd death] "
Out of the two, antifa or blm I would say antifa, but I wasn't sure - only remembering andy ngo, who covered the story at the time, does a lot about following/investigating antifa. [edit: I think they are more known for violence than blm ]
I could have worded it better, but I doubt I'd ever think they could possibly be republican agitators - that just seems too far fetched and clutching at straws/deflecting.
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When will the election result be known at the earliest, assuming there isn't a hold up for the postal results?
Could it be by tomorrow night?
Could it be by tomorrow night?
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No...just making sure that my response to certain sections of your comments don't get lost among the rest of it.
Possibly, but the truth is...no-one knows the exact make-up of all the agitators and protestors, so who knows where they are actually from, and who they really are.
I agree that in all likelihood they are likely to be blm/antifa, but I would never presume that one side of the political spectrum alone is responsible, as agitators with a political agenda have this annoying habit of popping up unexpectedly everywhere to muddy the waters.
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I dont believe so, no.
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