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I suppose it could happen but I can't ever remember seeing republican or trump voters setting fires and attacking shops.
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I suppose it could happen but I can't ever remember seeing republican or trump voters setting fires and attacking shops.
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How about killing people? Kyle Rittenhouse killed two and Trump still defended him.
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There was some context to that, don't forget Michael Reinoehl stalking and killing a trump supporter, more planned [cold blooded] and therefore egregious than the rittenhouse situation.
But I think you are agreeing with my point about trump/republicans are not known for setting fires and attacking/looting shops. Therefore the shop owners in san fran are not boarding up for this possibility.
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Not to my knowledge no.
They are known for killing people and planning to abduct Michigan's governor. Fine people! Thankfully getting rid of Trump soon! Maybe violence will decrease after it...with Trump it's only going to increase since he can't lead. He only pours more fuel on fires.
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What's wrong with people trying to defend Trump basically praising a mob (of cars) intimidating a campaign bus of Biden/Harris and trying to crash into the car of a staffer that was driving beside the bus?
Trump should've condemned this behaviour! But it doesn't surprise me he doesn't. His whole party is full of people that try to intimidate people into not voting and is actively trying to get votes thrown out.
Trump should've condemned this behaviour! But it doesn't surprise me he doesn't. His whole party is full of people that try to intimidate people into not voting and is actively trying to get votes thrown out.
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you mean ear lobe guy and his pals:
But a video circulating online shows accused plotter Brandon Caserta in front of an anarchist flag railing against Trump.
Caserta, 32, of Canton Township appears in other videos complaining about the government and posted inflammatory messages on Facebook, including one in which he asks whether it's all right to "initiate violence" against non-violent people.
In a viral video being shared by conservative music producer Robby Starbuck, Caserta says, "Trump is not your friend, dude. It amazes me that people actually, like, believe that when he’s shown over and over and over again that he’s a tyrant. Every single person that works for government is your enemy, dude.”
^I would argue he is a not representative of the american republican/trump voter.
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Just goes to show R's and anarchists aren't far apart. They don't want government.
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Wasn’t it self defence?
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A judge will decide that.
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Argue all you want
It just happened to be Michigan's governor who was the target...after Trump criticized her repeatedly. Of course didn't condemn those guys either.Which one you think is better at handling unrest in the US? Biden or Trump?
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antifa and blm protesters are not responsible for looting and rioting and fires. Criminals are responsible and they do not belong to any one group. These are anarchist extremists. Trump and gop cabal just repeating these lies.
The greatest deadliest terror threat in the USA right now is white supremacy. This is from what the dept of homeland security has concluded. They’re considered a terrorist organization.
As well antifa is not an organization.it’s a moniker Its not a group.
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No m8.
When you're actively running away/retreating and being chased by multiple people, one of which threatens to shoot you vocally, and then you trip over and one of them attempts to put a skateboard around your head. And then another pulls a gun and points it at you from close distsnce - but suddenly points his gun and hands up and moves back when you raise your ar 15 in response to this threat, at which point you respect his 180 turn around where he is implying 'actually, i dont want no trouble' , and lower your gun. only for him to then - once your gun is lowered and you look away breifly, assuming he is being genuine, notice he has now raised his gun at you again and is advancing once more, so you then shoot him.
Thats not self defence at all, lol.
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Argue all you want
Which one you think is better at handling unrest in the US? Biden or Trump?
well trump can only over cover the federal angle as I understand it, when the agents went into seattle/oregon it was repressed, then when they left it started up again in earnest.
I'm in favour of democratic protest and making a case through peaceful means [in a totalitarian state with no vote then that could be debated differently], there is a lot more going on here to drive this discontent than trump imo, it must have been brewing for years you don't get to this stage of looting and arson that quick.
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That’s utter nonsense. Lone wolf attacks are the biggest threat, we all know that ain’t going to be the Amish or the Jews..
look at what’s happening in France the past few weeks.
also antifa and the like are democrats, same as BLM
Both Marxist scum.
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That's utter nonsense. Antifa are anti-fascists and for the most part they don't vote at all as they are anarchists and don't want government. Those that vote aren't going to vote for D's, they'll vote for communists or a green party.
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The democrats are communist haha
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What did Trump do to calm all these situations in your opinion? You know he can talk to the nation too if he wants to.
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Sorry but this is what the dept of homeland security concluded. This is not my opinion. This is the opinion of trump’s people whom he pays and chooses to ignore when it doesn’t suit his narrative
so now democrats are Marxist scums. That’s nice.
please tell me what a Marxist is.
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You wanting the oxford definition? Or a explanation or cultural Marxism?.
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I hate to have to repeat myself so much: that's utter nonsense.
Going to bow out from this topic for now. It's going to get personal otherwise with so much bs being spouted today.
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Don’t worry I can take it.
im happy to hear your views, anyone’s.
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Yeah I can see that point he probably could have said something more. [mind you I didn't follow all his pronouncements from that time, so may have missed bits he said to try and calm things]
I seem to recall there were riots and trouble in obama's time, I'm not sure how he dealt with it as I didn't follow things stateside as much then.
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me too I'm off to have my evening meal and can't afford to ruin that!
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Marxism:
political and economic ideals form both Marx and also engles.
Later taken on my the followers of such ideas and Thus forming the basis of communism.
(How in depth you want me to go I’ve no idea, could write a lot.
Cultural Marxism:
This is sort of a twisted form of the above which claims that Marxism is a way of overthrowning the west, it has many guises and forms.
Many utter it as a nonsense, but certainly it’s very real as we are seeing worldwide sadly now.
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What would you like me to say? Meet me half way and I’ll happily explain what you ask dude
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you guys are high as hell. soon you'll be talking about your spirit animals.
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Already know mine.
Honey badger.
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aren’t you late with the corona dinner photo?
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Had my little girl today, she told me when I went to take a picture of our tea ‘daddy your one sad man’ haha
So no dinner pic, but I’ll do a tea one later lol
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Portland and Kenosha had their fair share of violence from both sides.
And I don't for one moment believe there are no Trump supporters in the BLM riots, otherwise the inference is that Black Americans do not support Trump, which is untrue as some (many?) obviously do.
But Trump supporters do tend to wreak or threaten violence as individuals, rather than joining in mass attacks. "Trump's Front Row Joe's" are a case in point.
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See that’s the thing, BLM for example are given a free pass as they ‘majority’ are on the right side of the media (left leaning)
As are antifa.
Much of the riots (almost all and looting) was done by those on the opposite side to the republicans, the vast majority are far left fascists.
Not saying for a moment it doesn’t happen on both sides (as the potus rightly pointed out)
But the looting and the mass civil disobedience was done by those on the opposite side to the Republican Party...
It’s like the slandering of the proud boys for example, angels compared to ‘burn loot murder’ BLM..
Anyhow we only have a few days left and we will find out the next president.
I’ve made my sandwiches for work tomoz and realised I’m out of brown sauce... utterly upsetting scenes here at playford HQ...
It’s also pissing down and can’t walk sox...
Other than that, it’s only politics people.. no matter who wins we as a people lose either way..
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Many reports state that he had already shot one person, and the people chasing him were trying to disarm him when he shot the second person.
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I think my post is clear, setting fires and attacking shops [could add looting] are not something one associates with republican voters. Shops are now being boarded up.
When two political divergent groups meet and face off then yes there is likely equal fighting, or raucous shouting and gestures etc..
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He’s got cool hair, I don’t.
as my daughter so pleasantly puts it ‘daddy your pretty but bald’
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Okay...if you say so.
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That’s been debunked, as the charge sheet states.
Again he’s killed people, not glorying this as it’s pathetic to kill over a opinion.
But I’ve looked into this, the guy was scared shitless and acted, sadly this is the outcome..
Everyone close to them loses over opinions... that’s sad
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Just going on what I’ve read from both sides. Not just a echo chamber that backs up my support for President Trump.
Again only my personal thoughts.
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Pre-Trump, I would certainly have agreed.
Now? Not all Republicans are lily-white, law-abiding citizens, and the worst of them are equal to the worst of the rioters and looters, some of whom are definitely Republicans, if you believe in the law of averages.
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These riots are fuelled by race baiting.
And history proves it’s only one side that sadly used the abhorrent act of racism for political gain.
It’s losing it’s genuine meaning because of it being weaponised in political circles, this from a man who’s best friend is black.
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Has it been debunked? Difference sources have totally different interpretations as to what actually happened.
But to go to the bolded part - if that was the case, perhaps he should not have been anywhere near the riots, and certainly not with a gun
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On that point about being there with a firearm in the first place you got me lis.
I’m pretty torn as it is regarding gun ownership in the states believe it or not.
I personally don’t see the need to carry a weapon at all if your there to protest peacefully.
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'What a waste of a carbonated drink' is all I could think at the end of this 
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repeating the lie doesn’t mean it’s true @Playford7 and company.
1/Peaceful protests got hijacked': Some criminals used George Floyd protests as cover for looting, police say
2/AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tells a different story.
Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.
3/But the massive demonstrations have been accompanied by looting in some cities around the Southland. Authorities believe most of the thefts and vandalism came from people not directly connected to the protests who used the teeming crowds as cover to steal merchandise.
Some of the looting appears to be organized, with groups driving around hitting multiple stores.
4/But Reuters
Instead it shows US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials say most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists.
5/ In Minneapolis, records show 25 of the 312 people booked into the county jail since May 26 listed addresses outside the state.
It comes as some videos begin to surface online showing people from out of town going into stores and stealing.
DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat
White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.
White Supremacists Are Out of the Shadows and Running for Office. As Republicans.
1/Peaceful protests got hijacked': Some criminals used George Floyd protests as cover for looting, police say
2/AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals. But an Associated Press review of thousands of pages of court documents tells a different story.
Very few of those charged appear to be affiliated with highly organized extremist groups, and many are young suburban adults from the very neighborhoods Trump vows to protect from the violence in his reelection push to win support from the suburbs.
3/But the massive demonstrations have been accompanied by looting in some cities around the Southland. Authorities believe most of the thefts and vandalism came from people not directly connected to the protests who used the teeming crowds as cover to steal merchandise.
Some of the looting appears to be organized, with groups driving around hitting multiple stores.
4/But Reuters
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suggests there is limited evidence organised extremists are behind the turmoil.Instead it shows US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials say most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists.
5/ In Minneapolis, records show 25 of the 312 people booked into the county jail since May 26 listed addresses outside the state.
It comes as some videos begin to surface online showing people from out of town going into stores and stealing.
DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat
White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.
White Supremacists Are Out of the Shadows and Running for Office. As Republicans.
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The fact is most of the looting and arson happened in democratic cities and districts, that's not a lie imo.
Then on top of that is the politically motivated violence in places like seattle and oregon.
I could have posted dozens of more clips, the man lying prone on the floor having his teeth kicked out by youngsters still resides in my memory, but it would have just taken over the thread.
Then on top of that is the politically motivated violence in places like seattle and oregon.
I could have posted dozens of more clips, the man lying prone on the floor having his teeth kicked out by youngsters still resides in my memory, but it would have just taken over the thread.
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So you're upset about that but don't mind that a trumpster killed two people? You actually defended him too.
That's pathethic.
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