North Korea and US politics

[Playford7]

There's a huge difference between forming an opinion on the person George Floyd, who was unknown to all of us until the deadly incident, and the person Donald Trump.

I've read about the shortcomings of George Floyd and his past but I've also read about how he was a father, partner and son. He shouldn't have been killed over a $20 forgery.

I agree.
But how about not being a criminal.
They don’t go around killing innocent people.
Was like in London when the low life dealer was shot dead, we had riots for a low life.
Where are all these folks when Emily Jones was killed? Lee rigby?..
or how about discussing issues with black on black crime? Is that all due to racism?
No is it hell, but Those whom have the most to say are always MIA when it’s there own people or on there own doorstep.

 

[dionysus]

and FTR, love him or hate him...the entire IDEA is to question your leadership; ergo, opinions of them

private citizens, not so much, unless theyre thrust into the limelight

 

[dionysus]

Whether GF was a very good man or a very bad man...how is it all relevant to what transpired? We dont - or at least shouldnt - live in a vigilante system.
Take officers to task, work within the system
Yes, theres criminals; we have police to keep that in check not mirror it

 

[Mouche12]

Well, what I've seen on the news about some of his personal traits, Floyd loved his children, he wanted to be a better father - one of the reasons he moved to Minnesota, and he was a gentle giant with a big heart, according to colleagues and friends.

 

[vorcirion]

I agree.
But how about not being a criminal.
They don’t go around killing innocent people.
Was like in London when the low life dealer was shot dead, we had riots for a low life.
Where are all these folks when Emily Jones was killed? Lee rigby?..
or how about discussing issues with black on black crime? Is that all due to racism?
No is it hell, but Those whom have the most to say are always MIA when it’s there own people or on there own doorstep.

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There you can check how Trump has done for his own people. 2,3milj. cases...122k deaths. Used to be about 20k cases per day...now it's over 30k cases per day. Trump is a crappy leader...Boris is a crappy leader.

 

[Playford7]

GF? I've a few insights into his life; he may be a good man, a bad man, a complicated man...I've limited information on a man who died in the streets at police hands.

Were Trump say, shot, I'd have a more informative opinion - Trump fully places himself within the realm of public scrutiny - the man relishes it

Trump wasn’t or isn’t a criminal whom held a gun to a pregnant ladies belly...
He’s also not a drug addicted low life.
He runs a country...
George floyd was a low life thug who made his choices and now deals with it.. or not
It’s set back race relations decades.
But let’s be frank here, it’s only a big a issue as it is as people keep talking about it.
It’s a political movement, nothing more.
If it wasn’t why are the black folks not addressing why they are over represented massively in murder, incarceration, single families and jobless families..
suppose that’s all racism too!..
Give me a break.

 

[Playford7]

Well, what I've seen on the news about some of his personal traits, Floyd loved his children, he wanted to be a better father - one of the reasons he moved to Minnesota, and he was a gentle giant with a big heart, according to colleagues and friends.

What a guy full of fentnyl and coke using fake notes.
He really was a top man!

 

[dionysus]

If you think that's the 'big issue' youve entirely missed the point.
It's systemic and greater reaching than George Floyd

 

[Playford7]

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There you can check how Trump has done for his own people. 2,3milj. cases...122k deaths. Used to be about 20k cases per day...now it's over 30k cases per day. Trump is a crappy leader...Boris is a crappy leader.

Again trump? Zzz

 

[vorcirion]

Trump wasn’t or isn’t a criminal whom held a gun to a pregnant ladies belly...
He’s also not a drug addicted low life.
He runs a country...
George floyd was a low life thug who made his choices and now deals with it.. or not
It’s set back race relations decades.
But let’s be frank here, it’s only a big a issue as it is as people keep talking about it.
It’s a political movement, nothing more.
If it wasn’t why are the black folks not addressing why they are over represented massively in murder, incarceration, single families and jobless families..
suppose that’s all racism too!..
Give me a break.

You think black people choose to be poor in the US?

 

[Playford7]

You think black people choose to be poor in the US?

If you think that's the 'big issue' youve entirely missed the point.
It's systemic and greater reaching than George Floyd

Oh so it’s because ‘racism’ some blacks are poor.
Is that your argument?

 

[sufferinsilence]

I agree.
But how about not being a criminal.
They don’t go around killing innocent people.
Was like in London when the low life dealer was shot dead, we had riots for a low life.
Where are all these folks when Emily Jones was killed? Lee rigby?..
or how about discussing issues with black on black crime? Is that all due to racism?
No is it hell, but Those whom have the most to say are always MIA when it’s there own people or on there own doorstep.

I don't question the fact that criminals have to face the consequences but the police isn't judge, jury and executioner. They're supposed to apprehend the criminals and bring them to a DA who will present the case to the court.

Everything else is just trying to justify what the police officers did.

 

[dionysus]

Oh so it’s because ‘racism’ some blacks are poor.
Is that your argument?

er....yes?
'some' are at a disadvantage because of a broken system

 

[Mouche12]

I once had a fake €20 bill in my purse, many years ago, as it turned out. I've been doing party drugs years ago, and booze, every weekend of the year. Does that make me a thug?

Also, in relation to your comments about "racism", the big deal in Floyd's and many, many other black men's cases is the systemic or institutionalised violence fuelled by racism.

 

[vorcirion]

Oh so it’s because ‘racism’ some blacks are poor.
Is that your argument?

If they had the same opportunities as white people, if they were treated by the police the same as white people...then yeah their lives would be better. So absolutely racism is part of the problem.

 

[sufferinsilence]

er....yes?
'some' are at a disadvantage because of a broken system

Earlier in this thread I have made a post about the broken system, highlighting some of the stuff that needs to be fixed. I'm too lazy to go and find it but if Playford wants to go look for it he can. The points I made there still stand.

 

[mack341]

I agree.
But how about not being a criminal.
They don’t go around killing innocent people.
Was like in London when the low life dealer was shot dead, we had riots for a low life.
Where are all these folks when Emily Jones was killed? Lee rigby?..
or how about discussing issues with black on black crime? Is that all due to racism?
No is it hell, but Those whom have the most to say are always MIA when it’s there own people or on there own doorstep.

I agree there is a heck of a lot of selective outrage. Murders and violent crime are becoming commonplace. The left never mention it as far as I can tell.

There was a woman found in the forest of dean, sawn in half and put in a suitcase, something is seriously going wrong. But no it's far more important to protest and get worked up about some statues

 

[Playford7]

If you think that's the 'big issue' youve entirely missed the point.
It's systemic and greater reaching than George Floyd

No it’s not.
It’s all about culture and nothing to do with race.

If people like yourself where more inclined to talk about issues rather than throwing the easy race card into matters things would progress.

Also take aside your emotions and discuss without the aggression your showing here Dino as it’s pretty clear.

Ok you may disagree, great let’s talk..
Let’s not have bad feelings or what’s happening again here on this thread, it’s so obvious and it’s from the side you champion

I observed this during my ban as did many others, some not active at the moment but I assure you they know.

The bullying on this thread is something hateful that all you lot seem to hate but are the biggest at being involved dino.

I won’t say buy one member here whom is always polite has held his/her own for a long time, how without losing temper is more credit to them than to the bullies.

Anyhow I’m done here, certain folks here want me gone for whatever reasons, but I’ll not be giving them the opportunity this time.
Best regards and smiles like the world has ever seen.
Ben.

 

[Playford7]

If they had the same opportunities as white people, if they were treated by the police the same as white people...then yeah their lives would be better. So absolutely racism is part of the problem.

Coronavirus cooking thread

 

[sufferinsilence]

Aww...

 

[Playford7]

I agree there is a heck of a lot of selective outrage. Murders and violent crime are becoming commonplace. The left never mention it as far as I can tell.

There was a woman found in the forest of dean, sawn in half and put in a suitcase, something is seriously going wrong. But no it's far more important to protest and get worked up about some statues

Was going to mention poor Emily Jones mate but I’ll not.
Agree with you 100%
Have to watch what I post mate don’t want a ban.
Hope your well and all the best mack.
Ben

 

[dionysus]

I agree there is a heck of a lot of selective outrage. Murders and violent crime are becoming commonplace. The left never mention it as far as I can tell.

In my experience, the left are aggrieved at most all vioent crime, sex trafficking, murder, rape, capital punishment, hate crime, etc

TBF, one cant spend every hr battling every cause because well, you couldnt wake up and function or live.

And sure, there's plenty bandwagon jumpers; but that applies both sides, as needs be and politics come into play.

Remember, this is more a straw that broke the proverbial back

 

[vorcirion]

Aww...

Those damn bonespurs!

 

[sufferinsilence]

No it’s not.
It’s all about culture and nothing to do with race.

If people like yourself where more inclined to talk about issues rather than throwing the easy race card into matters things would progress.

Also take aside your emotions and discuss without the aggression your showing here Dino as it’s pretty clear.

Ok you may disagree, great let’s talk..
Let’s not have bad feelings or what’s happening again here on this thread, it’s to us and it’s from the side you champion.
I observed this during my ban as did many others, some not active at the moment but I assure you they know.

The bullying on this thread is something hateful that all you lot seem to hate but are the biggest active being involved dino.
I won’t say buy one member here whom is always polite has held his/her own for a long time, how without losing temper is more credit to them than to the bullies.

Anyhow I’m done here, certain folks here want me gone for whatever reasons, but I’ll not be giving them the opportunity this time.
Best regards and smiles like the world has ever seen.
Ben.

Hope you aren't referring to me, I even welcomed you back I just can't be arsed to go look for my previous post with just a couple of points out of the broken American social and political system.

 

[dionysus]

No it’s not.
It’s all about culture and nothing to do with race.

If people like yourself where more inclined to talk about issues rather than throwing the easy race card into matters things would progress.

Also take aside your emotions and discuss without the aggression your showing here Dino as it’s pretty clear.

Sorry, I must have missed the aggression part.
Failry certain I've expressed umbrage without outrage here, in the forum

 

[Playford7]

Hope you aren't referring to me, I even welcomed you back I just can't be arsed to go look for my previous post with just a couple of points out of the broken American social and political system.

No I’m not mate.
I’m pretty straight forward, if I had anything to say I’d say.

 

[vorcirion]

Aww...

Oh the main rally is still on. Hope he took enough HCQ pills with him!

 

[dionysus]

Believe me, outside the forum? Id have much different choice of words

 

[dionysus]

The bullying on this thread is something hateful that all you lot seem to hate but are the biggest at being involved dino.

the fuck?

I'm a member and shared my 2 cents.
Feel bullied?
You know where the report button is..SIR

 

[sufferinsilence]

Oh the main rally is still on. Hope he took enough HCQ pills with him!

It'd be funny if they'd cancel the main rally at the last minute

The outside stage was built so Trump could do a speech for the overflow of the million people they expected! According to the Trump campaign they had 1 million ticket requests, the arena itself holds 20.000. The arena right now is about 66% filled and everyone who is still outside can easily get in the arena I reckon. It would be much safer if they actually held the rally outside.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Oh the main rally is still on. Hope he took enough HCQ pills with him!

 

[vorcirion]

It'd be funny if they'd cancel the main rally at the last minute

The outside stage was built so Trump could do a speech for the overflow of the million people they expected! According to the Trump campaign they had 1 million ticket requests, the arena itself holds 20.000. The arena right now is about 66% filled and everyone who is still outside can easily get in the arena I reckon. It would be much safer if they actually held the rally outside.

Sure it would be safer. But this is their choice even after everyone warned them many times...it's time for nature to do its job. I only feel sorry for those innocent people who these people will infect too.

 

[Playford7]

the fuck?

I'm a member and shared my 2 cents.
Feel bullied?
You know where the report button is..SIR

That’s the thing..
I’m happy for anyone to speak, not once have i reported a single member.
Granted the issue with the 21 comp I had too, I’m sure daz or Bryan if your not aware will fill you in on that.
I’ll not be going public.
Also the tone your taking as your disagree politically is not pleasant.
I’ll leave this thread well alone in future, shame we can’t all have separate views but still get along as people dino.
I also never swore in any post to you...
those in glass houses and all..
best regards
Ben

 

[Kroffe]

You guys are ruining the nature documentary thread.

 

[dionysus]

Park the passive agressive Ben; dont flame then apologize, it's disingenuous.

And don't dispense if you cant accomodate

 

[dionysus]

I’m happy for anyone to speak, not once have i reported a single member.
Granted the issue with the 21 comp I had too, I’m sure daz or Bryan if your not aware will fill you in on that.

I'm staff.
I'm read in, no worries

 

[Playford7]

I'm staff.
I'm read in, no worries

Then your attack regarding the ‘broad’ comment should have been received.
Look enough, I don’t want a ban so leave me be.

 

[dionysus]

Then your attack regarding the ‘broad’ comment should have been received.
Look enough, I don’t want a ban so leave me be.

oh good Lord, you were PMed and told it was light banter; and FTR you even apologized so keep the faux umbrage, tyvm

 

[Playford7]

oh good Lord, you were PMed and told it was light banter; and FTR you even apologized so keep the faux umbrage, tyvm

As said leave me alone please.

 

[sufferinsilence]

According to CNN the Trump campaign is already trying to imply it's because of the liberal media speaking out against having a rally during the ongoing pandemic there aren't more people in attendance.

And I thought Trump supporters only watched Trump-approved news channels

 

[dionysus]

According to CNN the Trump campaign is already trying to imply it's because of the liberal media speaking out against having a rally during the ongoing pandemic there aren't more people in attendance.

And I thought Trump supporters only watched Trump-approved news channels

I have to say, I was even a bit disappointed this week, here.
Beaches reopened (I went, but social distanced, a friend and I went for a cool dip, to a lesser known and less active spot.)

But not far down - visible along the beach curve...twas jam-packed; sure it's a resort town, but was all care free and lackadaisical.
I fully expect another bout coming

 

[mack341]

Was going to mention poor Emily Jones mate but I’ll not.
Agree with you 100%
Have to watch what I post mate don’t want a ban.
Hope your well and all the best mack.
Ben

I know it's too sad we're the adults [I don't mean us personally, but the country as a whole] letting the children down, wishy washy politicians wringing their hands but willing to change nothing, 'oh it's just the way it is these days'

We need more zero tolerance to the bad people in society; if they're dangerous due to mental illness and hearing voices then they need to be detained, if they're not ill but violent thugs, locked up until they can show they have changed and are safe to let out.

Pussy footing around people with bad intentions, and who in many cases have no desire to mend their ways.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, this is a twist I didn't see coming tbh.

 

[vorcirion]

I know it's too sad we're the adults [I don't mean us personally, but the country as a whole] letting the children down, wishy washy politicians wringing their hands but willing to change nothing, 'oh it's just the way it is these days'

We need more zero tolerance to the bad people in society; if they're dangerous due to mental illness and hearing voices then they need to be detained, if they're not ill but violent thugs, locked up until they can show they have changed and are safe to let out.

Pussy footing around people with bad intentions, and who in many cases have no desire to mend their ways.

That starts sounding like US policing. Don't follow that road...do something that actually helps!

 

[sufferinsilence]

I have to say, I was even a bit disappointed this week, here.
Beaches reopened (I went, but social distanced, a friend and I went for a cool dip, to a lesser known and less active spot.)

But not far down - visible along the beach curve...twas jam-packed; sure it's a resort town, but was all care free and lackadaisical.
I fully expect another bout coming

If there's a second wave on the horizon I'm afraid they're going to try and ride it out rather than shut down businesses, schools and bars/restaurants again. For alot of people this is "over" and they want to get on with their life, and honestly I understand and I would've been the same if this happened 20 years ago. I can't even imagine how annoyed I would've been to be distanced from schoolmates and friends for months without any parties going on.

 

[Playford7]

I know it's too sad we're the adults [I don't mean us personally, but the country as a whole] letting the children down, wishy washy politicians wringing their hands but willing to change nothing, 'oh it's just the way it is these days'

We need more zero tolerance to the bad people in society; if they're dangerous due to mental illness and hearing voices then they need to be detained, if they're not ill but violent thugs, locked up until they can show they have changed and are safe to let out.

Pussy footing around people with bad intentions, and who in many cases have no desire to mend their ways.

Agree mate.
Sadly we can’t blame the judges or the bleeding heart rainbow police.
They only follow the guidelines set by government and it’s a disgrace.
Gone are the days the kids feared the police and law and order, instead now it’s all fairies with silly liberal ideals.
Even the police in the uk are a joke as you know, either fatties or skinny clowns.
Police should Be ex services, fit and can handle themselves.
Not the demolition man police we have now as that’s clearly not working.
As a country mack it’s worrying, erasing statues that gave freedom and destroyed real fascism, we have the dumb dumbs wanting to erase it.
Even oxford uni, a fine British institution deplatforming speakers as they don’t like the truth.
We now officially live in clown world my mate.

 

[dionysus]

If there's a second wave on the horizon I'm afraid they're going to try and ride it out rather than shut down businesses, schools and bars/restaurants again. For alot of people this is "over" and they want to get on with their life, and honestly I understand and I would've been the same if this happened 20 years ago. I can't even imagine how annoyed I would've been to be distanced from schoolmates and friends for months without any parties going on.

We've extended our 'state of emergency ' here til the 1st; still many measures in place
I'd full suspect, should there be a huge upswing, we'll go back to closures...well, til people, be it govt or populace - get it right

 

[vorcirion]

We've extended our 'state of emergency ' here til the 1st; still many measures in place
I'd full suspect, should there be a huge upswing, we'll go back to closures...well, til people, be it govt or populace - get it right

We have our travel bubble with Baltics and Norway+Denmark. Kroffe is not welcome here *\o/*
Yay us!

Edit: Meant that things are opening here

 

[dionysus]

We have our travel bubble with Baltics and Norway+Denmark. Kroffe is not welcome here *\o/*
Yay us!

Edit: Meant that things are opening here

ya, we've extended the US-Canada border crossings ban as well

 

[vorcirion]

ya, we've extended the US-Canada border crossings ban as well

Things are getting better in Canada though? I always expect good outcomes from your country Things getting handled properly etc.