North Korea and US politics

[ladyhawke]

Sorry Shadyfei, that has been clipped, it's accepted even by the fact checker sites that he is referring to the democrat/msm criticism of his handling of the coronavirus outbreak.

"coronavirus"..... different part of speech clipped with the first part missing 'and this is their new hoax'

dailysignal website:

“They tried anything,” said Trump about a minute after his first mention of the coronavirus. “They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

When looking at the entirety of Trump’s remarks, it appears the “new hoax” comment refers to the Democrats’ alleged “politicizing” of his response to the coronavirus threat—not the coronavirus itself.

The Hill, the Daily Beast and Slate, among other news outlets, reported that the “hoax” comment referred to Democrats’ criticism.

Slate’s headline was “Trump Slams Democrats Over Coronavirus Criticism: ‘This Is Their New Hoax,’” while the Daily Beast headline read, “Trump: Democrats’ Coronavirus Criticism a ‘New Hoax.’”

At no point in the rally did Trump directly call the novel coronavirus outbreak a “hoax” or “conspiracy.” In fact, he referred to the respiratory virus as a “public health threat” and reiterated that “we have to take it very, very seriously. That’s what we’re doing. We are preparing for the worst.”

In another thread - could have been the Coronovirus thread - I also made a similar correction.

Much as I detest Trump, all the fact checker websites back up the bolded part of your comment.

 

[mack341]

I doubt Trump is doing more to help Kim and NK than he is doing for the USA.

I think it just means medicines etc from china can get sent to NK and won't break any sanctions order the UN/US imposed, a little bit of money does goes a long way in NK. Also there are a lot of old generals around Kim, helping him to 'run' the country, the chinese will want to make sure they don't get this virus, potentially die and then unsettle/destabilize their vassal regime.

[ I think they fired some ballistic missiles into the sea again recently just as a subtle reminder and so no one forgets them ]

 

[Harry_BKK]

News from North Korea is that Trump sent a personal letter to Kim Jon Un that apparently offers help with COVID-19 (Source: Time Magazine).

In the letter, she (Kim's sister) said Trump explained his plan to “propel the relations between the two countries … and expressed his intent to render cooperation in the anti-epidemic work,” an apparent reference to the global coronavirus outbreak. She said her brother expressed his gratitude for Trump’s letter.

Apparently, last month Trump's administration was concerned about North Korea's vulnerability to a potential coronavirus outbreak due to its limited medical capabilities, and as such would support aid organisation efforts to contain the virus.

So his administration will provide help for NK, but when it comes to his own country, Trump tells the states it is not his fault the states have shortages of medical equipment, and that they are on their own.

Nothing new to see here, I guess, as this is just Trump in his usual full-on not my fault, nothing to do with me, not my responsibility, someone else's fault mode!

Now I believe in the USA, a governor is elected to run each state, and has to ask for Federal help - the government can't just "march in and take over".

However, by declaring a National emergency, Trump has effectively taken control back from the states, and should be leading the response, irrespective of the colour of the voters.

Two words to explain it: NOBEL PRIZE

He's so desperate for one as that would put him on one level as Obama. He'll do anything for one.

 

[mack341]

I think I've found a spoof NK twitter account though I can't be 100% sure DPRK News Service [ @DPRK_News ]

"Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea maintains bounteous supplies of toilet paper."

"Closure of United States-Canadian border threaten import of guns to Canada, and smugness to United States."

"As United States economy crumbles, sole profitable industries are toilet paper hoarding and media reporting on coronavirus. "

"Pyongyang Children's Library postpones "Fun Time With Josef Stalin And The Gang" event, due to virus concerns. " [... it's got to be a spoof surely ??? ]

"Altered Beast" and "Double Dragon" approved for play in video game arcades and fun fairs. "Street Fighter" and "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" remain under review, for ideological correctness.

"All entrants, save one, withdraw from annual Nampo "Fat-Burger" Eating Contest, due to concerns of virus. Remaining contestant, Marshal Kim Jong-Un, enjoys biological immunity to viruses. "

"US senator Ted Cruise extends "self-quarantine" due to fears of virus. People of United States are grateful to virus. "

edit: yes it is a parody, daily beast confirmed it, but some posts did look believable though.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Good results were already out there in respected journals, but I agree a cautious approach is not the worse way to approach it, but I felt he was leaning too much towards dismissive rather than neutral or even hopeful there was something in the results.

Mack, e.g. the French study is from 20 or so people. That is not how it works, not matter how much you want to find something positive about Mr T.

What if a year later, 80% of people getting those two drugs have severe lung failures or other problems due to the side effects? Will you or Mr T accept then the responsibility???? I am sure Mr T will not.

Come on mack, get some common sense into your thinking!

 

[mack341]

But those meds are old, the side effect profile is well established, no?

It could be tested on more than 20 patients, if the will and flexibility is there.

It's easy for Fauci to say 'it's anecdotal' but the french tests had extremely high statistical relevance/correlation [not sure of the correct phrase ] unlikely to occur through chance alone [1 in 10,000 against that I believe] in a life or death scenario it should be the person's choice, they can sign a waiver, if need be, that it is experimental treatment etc..

 

[Harry_BKK]

But those meds are old, the side effect profile is well established, no?

It could be tested on more than 20 patients, if the will and flexibility is there.

It's easy for Fauci to say 'it's anecdotal' but the french tests had extremely high statistical relevance/correlation [not sure of the correct phrase ] unlikely to occur through chance alone [1 in 10,000 against that I believe] in a life or death scenario it should be the person's choice, they can sign a waiver, if need be, that it is experimental treatment etc..

Yes, the side effects are well established and SUBSTANTIAL!!!

Look mack, those people received the two drugs with a whole host of other drugs. Both, the French and the Chinese study could not definitely say which of the combinations was really that did the trick.

It has become clear though that the two can help but it is nowhere clear how much nor what the side effects are, especially long term.

The French study started with 24 people, they kicked four off the list and kept 20. Read about the reasons and you will see that it wasn't all that superb. And 20 people is not a study, not even a trend.

Not saying it shouldn't be tried, but caution must be kept. What if in the end 10,000s more die because of the drugs who may have survived without them? Again, will you or Mr T accept responsibility?

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yes, the side effects are well established and SUBSTANTIAL!!!

Look mack, those people received the two drugs with a whole host of other drugs. Both, the French and the Chinese study could not definitely say which of the combinations was really that did the trick.

It has become clear though that the two can help but it is nowhere clear how much nor what the side effects are, especially long term.

The French study started with 24 people, they kicked four off the list and kept 20. Read about the reasons and you will see that it wasn't all that superb. And 20 people is not a study, not even a trend.

Not saying it shouldn't be tried, but caution must be kept. What if in the end 10,000s more die because of the drugs who may have survived without them? Again, will you or Mr T accept responsibility?

Apparently Belgium has ordered 64 kilogram of hydroxychloroquine, enough to treat 22.000 patients. It will be combined with azitromycine to treat severe and critical cases of COVID-19. Side-effects from hydroxychloroquine are supposed to be less severe than from the older regular chloroquine, when taken for a short amount of time nausea is said to be the worst one. It'll only be administered to patients who are monitored 24/7 in hospital.

Our version of the FDA has however made the claim it's unsure if it's effective. One of our top virologists however said this is what he would take when he would have a COVID-19 infection.

Anyway, a big clinical trial is now underway!

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[Harry_BKK]

Apparently Belgium has ordered 64 kilogram of hydroxychloroquine, enough to treat 22.000 patients. It will be combined with azitromycine to treat severe and critical cases of COVID-19. Side-effects from hydroxychloroquine are supposed to be less severe than from the older regular chloroquine, when taken for a short amount of time nausea is said to be the worst one. It'll only be administered to patients who are monitored 24/7 in hospital.

Our version of the FDA has however made the claim it's unsure if it's effective. One of our top virologists however said this is what he would take when he would have a COVID-19 infection.

Anyway, a big clinical trial is now underway!

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The Hydro-version is a lot less toxic, a small overdose of the normal drug is plain deadly. So it can only be given in controlled circumstances.

This is a good overview if you want to read about it.

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[mack341]

Quite often a drug is used with lots of side effects while the pharma firms research new treatments with less side effects, I wouldn't object to them offering this, but saying we are working on other drugs with less side effects or are more efficient at curing the disease.

Doesn't have to be an either/or situation in my mind, but patients should have a choice, what if those in the uk who have died had been given these medicines, they might still be alive and not have suffered so much.

what worries me is this clinical trial underway will apparently test:

• standard of care
• standard of care plus remdesivir
• standard of care plus lopinavir and ritonavir,
• standard of care plus lopinavir, ritonavir and interferon beta
• standard of care plus hydroxy-chloroquine.

Whereas the successful test before involved taking 'Hydroxychloroquine + the antibiotic Azithromycin'
and was much more successful than Hydroxychloroquine alone.

Why isn't this combination being tested?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Quite often a drug is used with lots of side effects while the pharma firms research new treatments with less side effects, I wouldn't object to them offering this, but saying we are working on other drugs with less side effects or are more efficient at curing the disease.

Doesn't have to be an either/or situation in my mind, but patients should have a choice, what if those in the uk who have died had been given these medicines, they might still be alive and not have suffered so much.

what worries me is this clinical trial underway will apparently test:

• standard of care
• standard of care plus remdesivir
• standard of care plus lopinavir and ritonavir,
• standard of care plus lopinavir, ritonavir and interferon beta
• standard of care plus hydroxy-chloroquine.

Whereas the successful test before involved taking 'Hydroxychloroquine + the antibiotic Azithromycin'
and was much more successful than Hydroxychloroquine alone.

Why isn't this combination being tested?

You can read the full French study here:

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[sufferinsilence]

Quite often a drug is used with lots of side effects while the pharma firms research new treatments with less side effects, I wouldn't object to them offering this, but saying we are working on other drugs with less side effects or are more efficient at curing the disease.

Doesn't have to be an either/or situation in my mind, but patients should have a choice, what if those in the uk who have died had been given these medicines, they might still be alive and not have suffered so much.

what worries me is this clinical trial underway will apparently test:

• standard of care
• standard of care plus remdesivir
• standard of care plus lopinavir and ritonavir,
• standard of care plus lopinavir, ritonavir and interferon beta
• standard of care plus hydroxy-chloroquine.

Whereas the successful test before involved taking 'Hydroxychloroquine + the antibiotic Azithromycin'
and was much more successful than Hydroxychloroquine alone.

Why isn't this combination being tested?

Azithromycin is given so bacteria don't get a chance to flood the lungs as far as I understood. It won't do anything for the virus itself. The antiviral medication is much more interesting in the fight against the virus.

 

[mack341]

Sorry Harry, a cross post here with that same link.

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This is the french study [it's in english]

under the section 'discusssion'

For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to share our findings with the medical community, given the urgent need for an effective drug against SARS-CoV-2 in the current pandemic context.

We show here that hydroxychloroquine is efficient in clearing viral nasopharyngeal carriage of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 patients in only three to six days, in most patients.

Our preliminary results also suggest a synergistic effect of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. Azithromycin has been shown to be active in vitro against Zika and Ebola viruses [20-22] and to prevent severe respiratory tract infections when administrated to patients suffering viral infection [23]. This finding should be further explored to know whether a combination is more effective especially in severe cases.

...Such results are promising and open the possibility of an international strategy to decisionmakers to fight this emerging viral infection in real-time even if other strategies and research including vaccine development could be also effective, but only in the future.

We therefore recommend that COVID-19 patients be treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people in order to curb the spread of COVID-19 in the world.

[18 doctors named involved in the testing/treatment]

It's madness not to try this combination more, at least until they can make something better available.

 

[Mouche12]

Just to say, I fully agree - if the side effects are negligible, start the engines and begin treating as many people as possible with the hydro-version and azithromycin. It does sound promising for now.

 

[slotplayer]

I doubt Trump is doing more to help Kim and NK than he is doing for the USA.

I think it just means medicines etc from china can get sent to NK and won't break any sanctions order the UN/US imposed, a little bit of money does goes a long way in NK. Also there are a lot of old generals around Kim, helping him to 'run' the country, the chinese will want to make sure they don't get this virus, potentially die and then unsettle/destabilize their vassal regime.

[ I think they fired some ballistic missiles into the sea again recently just as a subtle reminder and so no one forgets them ]

What country does NK share a border with? How many US troops are stationed there?

 

[slotplayer]

I've only watched about 30 secs of dr fauci, too much going on in the uk re announcements, he might be a decent, good guy.

But the dismissive response to that potential treatment raised my eyebrows, the body language was shifty, sure trump may have been over playing it as the cure in the hope the virus problem goes away and the stock market goes back up.

looking at that message he sent to hillary, it mentions her speech

' A world in transition: charting a new path in global health'

I wonder what was in that speech he loved so much ?

Edit: for my sins I just read it, other than a phrase that gets mentioned a lot 'country ownership' not sure what to make of it...

Perhaps he thought Hillary was going to win and was sucking up for funding.

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[mack341]

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Perhaps he thought Hillary was going to win and was sucking up for funding.

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It was about 3 or 4 years before she ran that's a lot of sucking he'd need to do.

NK shares a border with SK

 

[mack341]

New york to get tests underway for hydroxychloroquine

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Cuomo said that state health officials have procured 750,000 doses of the malaria drug chloroquine; 70,000 doses of its derivative, hydroxychloroquine; and 10,000 doses of the antibiotic Zithromax to use in trials set to begin Tuesday.

“I want to thank the FDA for moving very expeditiously to get us this supply. The president ordered the FDA to move, and the FDA moved,” Cuomo said, adding that health experts have told him that “there is a good basis to believe that they could work.”

The coronavirus pandemic has hit New York harder than any other state. Cuomo said Sunday that the state has 15,168 cases, or more than half of all cases in the U.S. More than 6,200 of those cases are in New York City.

Several other clinical trials are underway for the drugs. The University of Minnesota started a 1,500-patient trial last week."

Edit: anyone passing by this forum, must wonder why the subject of North korea is of such interest here

 

[vorcirion]

Seems Trump really wants to open the country again. Wonder why
But yeah that's America for you...money more important than people. But I guess for him the re-election is more important than american lives.

 

[Harry_BKK]

New york to get tests underway for hydroxychloroquine

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Cuomo said that state health officials have procured 750,000 doses of the malaria drug chloroquine; 70,000 doses of its derivative, hydroxychloroquine; and 10,000 doses of the antibiotic Zithromax to use in trials set to begin Tuesday.

“I want to thank the FDA for moving very expeditiously to get us this supply. The president ordered the FDA to move, and the FDA moved,” Cuomo said, adding that health experts have told him that “there is a good basis to believe that they could work.”

The coronavirus pandemic has hit New York harder than any other state. Cuomo said Sunday that the state has 15,168 cases, or more than half of all cases in the U.S. More than 6,200 of those cases are in New York City.

Several other clinical trials are underway for the drugs. The University of Minnesota started a 1,500-patient trial last week."

Edit: anyone passing by this forum, must wonder why the subject of North korea is of such interest here

I read an interview with a senior German epidemiologist and he said Chloroquine is not the most probable drug. Plus, he explained the shortcomings of the French study, which in his view has not proven much.

He thinks Remdesivir is the more likely choice to be the gamechanger.

Here his comments, Google translation.

"Chloroquine is a very old remedy for malaria. However, its antiviral effects have only recently become known. There is also a study from Marseille in France, which, especially as far as Covid-19 is concerned, initially seemed quite positive. However, there is one major criticism of this study. Because what was found as a result is not really relevant. It was only examined whether many or few viruses remained after the treatment, but not what really helped the patient and how he felt afterwards. That is of course the crucial question. So I'm very careful about that. I don't think chloroquine will be a big hit in the treatment of Covid-19.

I think it is more likely that above all antiviral substances will be successful. The drug Remdesivir is at the forefront. It is a substance that was developed during the Ebola crisis in 2014. Remdesivir works by inserting a disguised gene building block into the virus' gene sequence. The virus then uses this wrong building block when copying its gene sequence. However, this causes the virus to stop growing in the cell."

 

[Playford7]

Just calling in guys to see if the orange man is still bad before bed?..

 

[mack341]

I'm a big cynic when it comes to the machinations of big pharma, they have all sorts of experts in their pocket [money unfortunately talks] if remdesivir is readily available, safe and better than alternatives, then by all means use it, but let's not deny sick people other treatment if that one is not sourceable in the required amount.

If I get a headache, I can take paracetemol, aspirin or Ibuprofen, so it's better to have as many options as possible open to doctors, and some might be contraindicated to one drug and not another.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm a big cynic when it comes to the machinations of big pharma, they have all sorts of experts in their pocket [money unfortunately talks] if remdesivir is readily available, safe and better than alternatives, then by all means use it, but let's not deny sick people other treatment if that one is not sourceable in the required amount.

If I get a headache, I can take paracetemol, aspirin or Ibuprofen, so it's better to have as many options as possible open to doctors, and some might be contraindicated to one drug and not another.

Well, the Messiah, The Chosen One just said it will "soon go away and faster than many people think". Oh, the mighty Almighty knows it all just like that it would be a pandemic long before anyone said it!

So no need to worry about drugs and all that.

 

[Playford7]

As long as Harry keeps this thread alive in the hatred of trump we know all is well.
should this thread fall silent I personally urge Brian, max and dino, daz and other CM staff to assemble faster than a transformer as something must be a miss.
Should the trump derangement syndrome threat lower we can act accordingly due to a worldwide pandemic.

 

[Mouche12]

Well, aside from all that's been said, Trump still finds the time to blame Obama (whilst he dismantled the NSC pandemic unit in 2018, praised by experts and initiated by Obama) in the midst of this terrible crisis. I mean, surely, he must have better things to do right now?

 

[dionysus]

surely, he must have better things to do right now?

I'd think the president would always have something better to be doing but likes sitting on his twitter feed

 

[Harry_BKK]

As long as Harry keeps this thread alive in the hatred of trump we know all is well.
should this thread fall silent I personally urge Brian, max and dino, daz and other CM staff to assemble faster than a transformer as something must be a miss.
Should the trump derangement syndrome threat lower we can act accordingly due to a worldwide pandemic.

Funny how you judge criticizing or speaking up against your beloved idol as "hatred". You sure make a good member of the Mr T cult.

FYI, the word "hate" is not part of my vocabulary. You can look up my 5,000+ posts and won't find the word once.

 

[Kroffe]

Funny how you judge criticizing or speaking up against your beloved idol as "hatred". You sure make a good member of the Mr T cult.

FYI, the word "hate" is not part of my vocabulary. You can look up my 5,000+ posts and won't find the word once.

Found one.
Check mate!

 

[Kroffe]

Hey @dionysus
I think removing the size-limit for gifs would be appreciated during these trying times.

 

[Harry_BKK]

As long as Harry keeps this thread alive in the hatred of trump we know all is well.
should this thread fall silent I personally urge Brian, max and dino, daz and other CM staff to assemble faster than a transformer as something must be a miss.
Should the trump derangement syndrome threat lower we can act accordingly due to a worldwide pandemic.

An example of somebody who followed the advice and lies of your Chosen One.

 

[slotplayer]

He took fish tank cleaner.

 

[mack341]

The media must hate trump in order to write the headlines and articles that they do, there's no two ways about that, but in their opinion it's probably justified hate rather than irrational.

Because the media hate trump they now feel that they have to deliberately undermine this medicine otherwise donald will be seen as right and receive acclaim for bringing the public's attention to it.

The man who led the trial in france was Professor Didier Raoult, the article below states :

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"Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.

He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious."

Are we really going to chuck this in the bin because trump heard about it and brought it up?

 

[Harry_BKK]

He took fish tank cleaner.

After your Messiah said it is safe, not before that!

 

[Harry_BKK]

The media must hate trump in order to write the headlines and articles that they do, there's no two ways about that, but in their opinion it's probably justified hate rather than irrational.

Because the media hate trump they now feel that they have to deliberately undermine this medicine otherwise donald will be see as right and receive acclaim for bringing the public's attention to it.

The man who led the trial in france was Professor Didier Raoult, the article below states :

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"Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.

He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious."

Are we really going to chuck this in the bin because trump heard about it and brought it up?

Mack, a total of about 60 drugs are currently under review that could potentially help. There are dozens of studies already running, quite a few on Chloroquine, and they started long before the "Messiah" spouted the nonsense in the presser.

 

[ladyhawke]

An example of somebody who followed the advice and lies of your Chosen One.

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Oh come on Harry - this really is reaching.

They took chloroquine phosphate - a fish tank cleaner. This cannot be blamed on Trump but on their inability to understand that this product was NOT what Trump or any other doctor, including those in the French trial, meant.

Chloroquine phosphate was not even vaguely alluded to by Trump, so as tragic as the outcome was in this particular case was, sometimes people can be very stupid.

 

[pinnit2014]

If only we'd scrutinised the Psychopath Artist formally known as Blair with such vigour

 

[pinnit2014]

oh, using his own eye rolls against him!

I like.

 

[slotplayer]

After your Messiah said it is safe, not before that!

Doubtful, the media was talking about it long before T mentioned it.
Maybe he watched the hysterical MSNBC or CNN and panicked.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Oh come on Harry - this really is reaching.

They took chloroquine phosphate - a fish tank cleaner. This cannot be blamed on Trump but on their inability to understand that this product was NOT what Trump or any other doctor, including those in the French trial, meant.

Chloroquine phosphate was not even vaguely alluded to by Trump, so as tragic as the outcome was in this particular case was, sometimes people can be very stupid.

But that's how some people are. Follow someone's words without checking.

In such cases, you have to always assume that some people will be stupid enough to just take it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Doubtful, the media was talking about it long before T mentioned it.
Maybe he watch the hysterical MSNBC or CNN and panicked.

Only that in the media, everyone warned against simply taking it, contrary to your "Messiah" who said: "What have you got to lose?"

 

[mack341]

I'm not even watching those pressers, all I know is, there maybe trials of this, that and everything else inbetween, but the NHS isn't mentioning any treatment other than ventilators, we should be trialling some medicines here in the uk asap.

It's plain as the nose on my face, the media are seeking to dismiss this medicine in order to attack trump, how petty and irresponsible is that, I can't believe they would use this pandemic for political point scoring against him, saying things like 'trump vs science' it's not constructive criticism, but just an attempt to paint him as a dumbass out of his depth as president.

I know he's got faults, but having followed politics for about 30 years I know an unfair hit-job when I see one, and the recent presidents before him had a very easy ride in comparison.

 

[ladyhawke]

oh, using his own eye rolls against him!

I like.

Couldn't resist it - I am sure Harry will get the joke.

But that's how some people are. Follow someone's words without checking.

In such cases, you have to always assume that some people will be stupid enough to just take it.

There is certainly truth in that statement. This is why there are warnings on take-away coffee cups that "coffee is hot and if spilled could scald", "do not dry animals in the microwave", or even "do not use cruise control while making a cup of tea".

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm not even watching those pressers, all I know is, there maybe trials of this, that and everything else inbetween, but the NHS isn't mentioning any treatment other than ventilators, we should be trialling some medicines here in the uk asap.

It's plain as the nose on my face, the media are seeking to dismiss this medicine in order to attack trump, how petty and irresponsible is that, I can't believe they would use this pandemic for political point scoring against trump, saying things like 'trump vs science' it's not constructive criticism, but just an attempt to paint him as a dumbass out of his depth.

I know he's got faults, but having followed politics for about 30 years I know an unfair hit-job when I see one, and the recent presidents before him had a very easy ride in comparison.

Absolute nonsense mack.

 

[slotplayer]

Only that in the media, everyone warned against simply taking it, contrary to your "Messiah" who said: "What have you got to lose?"

I heard him, he was taking about as a last resort.

You Goebbelsize everything.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Couldn't resist it - I am sure Harry will get the joke.


There is certainly truth in that statement. This is why there are warnings on take-away coffee cups that "coffee is hot and if spilled could scald", "do not dry animals in the microwave", or even "do not use cruise control while making a cup of tea".

I'll give you another example. You can google for published articles and videos where Mr T supporters are shouting how bad Obamacare is or to get rid of it etc etc etc..... but are happy that they have the ACA.

In a position of power like Mr T is right now, you have to be very cautious what you are saying. Simply blurting out some unproven stuff will have consequences.

 

[ladyhawke]

…. "do not use cruise control while making a cup of tea".

Regarding the above:

A woman crashed her new luxury motorhome at 40mph after putting on the cruise control and getting up to make a cup of tea, a court heard today.

And where did she live? Cretingham, near Ipswich. You really couldn't make this up.

 

[pinnit2014]

Johnnygotthebone, a well liked member on here, used to think nothing of auto spinning/manually spinning Starburst whilst driving - maybe she was doing the same?

Jury's out as to whether the crime is reckless driving or feeding that game

 

[Harry_BKK]

I heard him, he was taking about as a last resort.

You Goebbelsize everything.

Surely not. Here's the rough transcript.

“I agree with the doctor, what he said: may work; may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is, just a feeling. I’m, you know, a smart guy. I feel good about it. And we’re going to see, you’re going to see soon enough.

Obviously, I think I can speak from a lot of experience, because it’s been out there for 20 years, so it’s not a drug that you have a huge amount of danger with. It’s not like a brand new drug that’s just been created that may have an unbelievable, monumental effect, like kill you.

I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. I mean there’s been some interesting things happened — and some good, very good things. Let’s see what happens, we have nothing to lose. You know the expression, What the hell do you have to lose?”

 

[ladyhawke]

… In a position of power like Mr T is right now, you have to be very cautious what you are saying. Simply blurting out some unproven stuff will have consequences.

Agreed, but this does not apply in the case under discussion.

The drug Trump was referring to has been proven to be effective - albeit for malaria, not for COVID-19. Taking it to try to prevent oneself falling ill with Coronavirus might have made you very, very ill (the symptoms you, Greylady and myself have outlined earlier in this thread proves that) but it is unlikely to kill you. Or even prevent COVID-19 as that is still a major unknown.

Unlike fish tank cleaner, which will kill you.

 

[slotplayer]

Surely not. Here's the rough transcript.

“I agree with the doctor, what he said: may work; may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is, just a feeling. I’m, you know, a smart guy. I feel good about it. And we’re going to see, you’re going to see soon enough.

Obviously, I think I can speak from a lot of experience, because it’s been out there for 20 years, so it’s not a drug that you have a huge amount of danger with. It’s not like a brand new drug that’s just been created that may have an unbelievable, monumental effect, like kill you.

I sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. I mean there’s been some interesting things happened — and some good, very good things. Let’s see what happens, we have nothing to lose. You know the expression, What the hell do you have to lose?”

I watched it, it was in response to a question. I was able to follow it.