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you seem to need a safe space, millions across america voted for trump at all sorts of levels of profession, stop trying to make it sound like a minority. there's more deranged politicians in the democrats like nadler and that hirono woman, what a pair of silly clowns, throwing their toys out of the pram at every opportunity because they lost the 2016 election...
That's the ultimate punchline in all these threads.....the supposed tolerant, enlightened and morally-superior leftists are the first to condescend, belittle, name-call and shut down anything not in line with their tunnel vision world view
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That's the ultimate punchline in all these threads.....the supposed tolerant, enlightened and morally-superior leftists are the first to condescend, belittle, name-call and shut down anything not in line with their tunnel vision world view
Oh please. That's all you do. You never offer anything constructive...all you do is belittling leftists or make jokes. You can offer an opinion or two about things. No need to be such a snowflake...always playing the victim.
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That's the ultimate punchline in all these threads.....the supposed tolerant, enlightened and morally-superior leftists are the first to condescend, belittle, name-call and shut down anything not in line with their tunnel vision world view
You know you're right about this. I'm going back maybe 10 years, but I could not stand Hannity because he and most of the GOP came off as morally superior, even Fox News, but now they seem like the sane people 2 me.
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That's the ultimate punchline in all these threads.....the supposed tolerant, enlightened and morally-superior leftists are the first to condescend, belittle, name-call and shut down anything not in line with their tunnel vision world view
Okay let's try asking your opinion directly then. What's your opinion about Trump? Do you think he's doing good work?
Some good, some bad. I didn't buy into the hysteria and outrage before he'd even started office. I just don't see how he could only do wrong according to some.
I've mentioned at least 15 times how I think he makes gaffes, is extremely un-statesmanlike and needs to get the hell off Twitter, because it makes him look like a petulant teenager
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Maybe because he is? He's very unfiltered. I don't think what he says are gaffes...it's just what he thinks.
Yes, ok they're not by accident but by design. He's too long in the tooth to be diplomatic, and seemingly doesn't care. Which is a fantastic business trait but bloody awful on the world stage.
Yet I do think he's often too direct, and this has obviously ruffled a few feathers
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Your guy this. My guy that. Hillarys dick is bigger than Dons, Dons tits are bigger than Hillarys.. etc. you see it so much online when people are arguing, its depressing.
People so blindly trusting/hoping in those who were selected for you to vote for, and so some often go on and defend them to any end, on both sides. Its a good example of the NPC meme :/
fwiw, i trust neither Hillary, or the Don.
I dont trust politicians,the government, or the media. history has proved it is foolish to blindly do so.
I didn't see Don making any real changes, i do think he is a slime bag too (but, i, probably naively, HOPED, similar to many millions in America who had no choice but to vote for him if not Hillary, that my initial gutt feeling would be wrong regarding him being the change many hoped for, the final sway being - seems like the less of two evils, type vote).
If anything, my instincts from the beginning was that he was just a pressure release valve. Since it seemed fairly obvious, to me, the US at the time were fed up with the same old same old bullshit, under every new president And so by bringing in the Don the deep state could calm this brewing frustration while they continued on..
But hey, as many others say, including myself.... "theres always the next election though, guise!"
But like Mack said i think... I'd of went for The Don, since he seemed like the less smelly of the 2 turds that you basically, as usual, were given the option to chose between.
People so blindly trusting/hoping in those who were selected for you to vote for, and so some often go on and defend them to any end, on both sides. Its a good example of the NPC meme :/
fwiw, i trust neither Hillary, or the Don.
I dont trust politicians,the government, or the media. history has proved it is foolish to blindly do so.
I didn't see Don making any real changes, i do think he is a slime bag too (but, i, probably naively, HOPED, similar to many millions in America who had no choice but to vote for him if not Hillary, that my initial gutt feeling would be wrong regarding him being the change many hoped for, the final sway being - seems like the less of two evils, type vote).
If anything, my instincts from the beginning was that he was just a pressure release valve. Since it seemed fairly obvious, to me, the US at the time were fed up with the same old same old bullshit, under every new president And so by bringing in the Don the deep state could calm this brewing frustration while they continued on..
But hey, as many others say, including myself.... "theres always the next election though, guise!"
But like Mack said i think... I'd of went for The Don, since he seemed like the less smelly of the 2 turds that you basically, as usual, were given the option to chose between.
This is all it boils down to. The Donald was the lesser of two evils, simple. Hillary has more baggage than the baggage carousel at Heathrow Airport, whilst this brash outspoken populist gave people what they wanted to hear, namely a change from the norm. And boy has he delivered!
But it was borne out of hope if anything. Turns out he's not particularly adept at presidency or diplomacy to be fair.
And as I've stated a few times before, the timing was right, nothing more. Had he run 20 or 30 years ago he wouldn't have made it past the primary
But it was borne out of hope if anything. Turns out he's not particularly adept at presidency or diplomacy to be fair.
And as I've stated a few times before, the timing was right, nothing more. Had he run 20 or 30 years ago he wouldn't have made it past the primary
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Like do you really want to debate art and real life. You’re looking to argue. Sorry. Not gonna engage.
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Do you think any of the democratic candidates would make a better president then?
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The American people had their choice of 16 Republicans running in the primary and picked the Donald.
What then or now? Just like with Brexit and all politicians, hindsight is a wonderful thing. If I was invested in voting and had to choose a candidate then or now there's a fair chance it may not have been DT. Who's to say.....but I trust millions of Americans were willing to give him a chance, whereas the Media wouldn't. I said judge him properly after his term(s) to get the full picture.
I'm not beyond voting Democrats, if that person seems right for me at the time
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Meant these current candidates for 2020.
I don't think Trump can get much more done than he has so far. If he had any allies left...he could deal with China. But I just can't see EU working with him. Same with the middle east.
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Having done some revisionist homework and in answer to your question, I'd forego Bernie and Hillary and likely gone for someone like Lincoln Chafee, as a brief overview. It's just unfortunate then he downed tools and quit the 2016 race when seemed fairly level-headed. Bit more centrist and not too far-out
I stated millions were willing to give him a chance, not that he won a popularity contest
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Geez, the length you two are going to defend Mr. T is hilarious. He got elected because he made empty promises galore, pretty much the same as he has done all his life. Lying, lying, lying and did I forget bragging and some more lying.
- "beautiful healthcare" in the first 100 days - nada
- immigration - all his policies failed miserably, more people are coming now than 10 years ago.
- economy - he brags about this particularly but the extra growth is only down to a 1.5 trillion tax cut and additional government spending, not policies he enacted, very much to the detriment of future generations who will have to pay for his reckless spending. He only rolled back Obama regulations&policies, he hasn't brought out a single one of his own unless something via executive order. The extra growth he achieved is laughable, 0.xx % or thereabouts. He promised 4% and 5%.
Deep state - WTF? Ever since you had the first ever parliament (some 3000 years ago) did you have people around trying to influence it. You seem to be having wet dreams when you talk about the "deep state". Now because of Mr T, you think they are after him? Give me a break. Just go back to the 8 Obama years and have a look at what the Republicans investigated, and don't just read about Benghazi, birther etc.
Mr. T looks only strong when he is in a superior position E.g. tariffs - he can do it by himself by invoking some old laws/precedent etc. He has done nothing that included Congress except the judges and the tax cut, nada. (Funny that he is saying that old laws/precedents do not apply when it is about him, e.g. IRS handing over tax returns to congress).
He promised high and low "great" deals - he's got none, not even the tiniest. Pulled out of TPP which had the purpose to keep China in check (he called it, as usual, the worst deal) and promised bilateral deals. To date, he got none, he hasn't even started negotiating. Oh I forgot, he got South Korea (negotiations started under Obama) where the US is now allowed to export more substandard cars than in the previous deal (none of the carmakers came even close to the old numbers) and tariffs on trucks imported from SK to the US remain until 2040 (imports per year from SK to date = ZERO). What an achievement!
Nafta 2 is 98% or maybe more what the Obama administration had already negotiated. Thanks to Mr. T "superb" negotiating skills, farmers can export now an additional 0.25% in products to Canada without tariffs + a few other minor things which as a negotiator you give to your counterpart so he/she can save face. And that deal is not even in force yet.
China - this one shows the ineptitude best. I was laughing my head off how Mr T and his sycophants were crying that China tried to change what they called "agreed" parts of the deal. In what world are they living? Has no one told them that that is a tactic of most Asian nations? For Asians nothing counts until something is signed, all can be negotiated, renegotiated up until the signature has dried on the document.
North Korea - any progress? None whatsoever because the Master Deal Maker is useless in making deals. The Singapore/Hanoi summits showed that clearly.
Troops/wars etc - "It is time the troops are coming home and I will do that now". How many have come home? How many wars has he ended? None, nada, zilch, to the contrary, he is trying desperatly to get his own war.
UK - @mack341 I told you already, read the draft trade document they sent to your government as it will instantly change your opinion about Mr. T. The stuff he is asking for is akin becoming a slave to the US. But you seem to like it, so that's OK.
EU - until this day I have not heard anyone from his administration talking positively about one of their biggest partners and allies. Instead, it is just threats/tariffs/interference into national affairs. E.g. the pipeline from Russia. Mr. T approves one for his country that comes from Canada but says Europe can't have a second one from Russia. Right!
Again, the list could go on and on. IMO, I have not seen a more useless US president in my lifetime and he's trying to cover it up by even more lying, nothing else. E.g if he's so good for his loyal supporters why has he not tried to increase the minimum wage or launched education programs to let them learn new skills that are needed in the future (he has cut the education budget substantially instead), etc etc.
I can tell you where Mr. T is good - getting a deal where others have to agree to his terms (ask South Korea or the countless contractors he bankrupted) . The soon he has not got that position of total strength or total domination, he's completely useless/incompetent and resorts to profanities that are below a fifth-grader level. The best example is the way he succumbs to Pelosi because he knows he has now no or little leverage over her. Hilarious!
The problem is that the US has risen to become this global power due to the historical developments in the last century and Mr. T's temper tantrums have the potential to throw the entire world into chaos/depression or similar. I am just waiting for China to ban/restrict rare earth exports to the US (the US is getting 80% of their needs from China) as the next escalation step. The stock market value that will vanish into thin air could be unprecedented. I'll be watching then if Mr. T's supporters will be still sooooo happy about their 401Ks.
Geez, the length you two are going to defend Mr. T is hilarious. He got elected because he made empty promises galore, pretty much the same as he has done all his life. Lying, lying, lying and did I forget bragging and some more lying.
- "beautiful healthcare" in the first 100 days - nada
- immigration - all his policies failed miserably, more people are coming now than 10 years ago.
- economy - he brags about this particularly but the extra growth is only down to a 1.5 trillion tax cut and additional government spending, not policies he enacted, very much to the detriment of future generations who will have to pay for his reckless spending. He only rolled back Obama regulations&policies, he hasn't brought out a single one of his own unless something via executive order. The extra growth he achieved is laughable, 0.xx % or thereabouts. He promised 4% and 5%.
Deep state - WTF? Ever since you had the first ever parliament (some 3000 years ago) did you have people around trying to influence it. You seem to be having wet dreams when you talk about the "deep state".
Now because of Mr T, you think they are after him? Give me a break. Just go back to the 8 Obama years and have a look at what the Republicans investigated, and don't just read about Benghazi, birther etc.Mr. T looks only strong when he is in a superior position E.g. tariffs - he can do it by himself by invoking some old laws/precedent etc. He has done nothing that included Congress except the judges and the tax cut, nada. (Funny that he is saying that old laws/precedents do not apply when it is about him, e.g. IRS handing over tax returns to congress).
He promised high and low "great" deals - he's got none, not even the tiniest. Pulled out of TPP which had the purpose to keep China in check (he called it, as usual, the worst deal) and promised bilateral deals. To date, he got none, he hasn't even started negotiating. Oh I forgot, he got South Korea (negotiations started under Obama) where the US is now allowed to export more substandard cars than in the previous deal (none of the carmakers came even close to the old numbers) and tariffs on trucks imported from SK to the US remain until 2040 (imports per year from SK to date = ZERO). What an achievement!
Nafta 2 is 98% or maybe more what the Obama administration had already negotiated. Thanks to Mr. T "superb" negotiating skills, farmers can export now an additional 0.25% in products to Canada without tariffs + a few other minor things which as a negotiator you give to your counterpart so he/she can save face.
And that deal is not even in force yet.China - this one shows the ineptitude best. I was laughing my head off how Mr T and his sycophants were crying that China tried to change what they called "agreed" parts of the deal. In what world are they living? Has no one told them that that is a tactic of most Asian nations? For Asians nothing counts until something is signed, all can be negotiated, renegotiated up until the signature has dried on the document.
North Korea - any progress? None whatsoever because the Master Deal Maker is useless in making deals. The Singapore/Hanoi summits showed that clearly.
Troops/wars etc - "It is time the troops are coming home and I will do that now". How many have come home? How many wars has he ended? None, nada, zilch, to the contrary, he is trying desperatly to get his own war.
UK - @mack341 I told you already, read the draft trade document they sent to your government as it will instantly change your opinion about Mr. T. The stuff he is asking for is akin becoming a slave to the US. But you seem to like it, so that's OK.
EU - until this day I have not heard anyone from his administration talking positively about one of their biggest partners and allies. Instead, it is just threats/tariffs/interference into national affairs. E.g. the pipeline from Russia. Mr. T approves one for his country that comes from Canada but says Europe can't have a second one from Russia. Right!
Again, the list could go on and on. IMO, I have not seen a more useless US president in my lifetime and he's trying to cover it up by even more lying, nothing else. E.g if he's so good for his loyal supporters why has he not tried to increase the minimum wage or launched education programs to let them learn new skills that are needed in the future (he has cut the education budget substantially instead), etc etc.
I can tell you where Mr. T is good - getting a deal where others have to agree to his terms (ask South Korea or the countless contractors he bankrupted) . The soon he has not got that position of total strength or total domination, he's completely useless/incompetent and resorts to profanities that are below a fifth-grader level. The best example is the way he succumbs to Pelosi because he knows he has now no or little leverage over her. Hilarious!
The problem is that the US has risen to become this global power due to the historical developments in the last century and Mr. T's temper tantrums have the potential to throw the entire world into chaos/depression or similar. I am just waiting for China to ban/restrict rare earth exports to the US (the US is getting 80% of their needs from China) as the next escalation step. The stock market value that will vanish into thin air could be unprecedented. I'll be watching then if Mr. T's supporters will be still sooooo happy about their 401Ks.
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@slotplayer @mack341
Geez, the length you two are going to defend Mr. T is hilarious. He got elected because he made empty promises galore, pretty much the same as he has done all his life. Lying, lying, lying and did I forget bragging and some more lying.
- "beautiful healthcare" in the first 100 days - nada
- immigration - all his policies failed miserably, more people are coming now than 10 years ago.
- economy - he brags about this particularly but the extra growth is only down to a 1.5 trillion tax cut and additional government spending, not policies he enacted, very much to the detriment of future generations who will have to pay for his reckless spending. He only rolled back Obama regulations&policies, he hasn't brought out a single one of his own unless something via executive order. The extra growth he achieved is laughable, 0.xx % or thereabouts. He promised 4% and 5%.
Deep state - WTF? Ever since you had the first ever parliament (some 3000 years ago) did you have people around trying to influence it. You seem to be having wet dreams when you talk about the "deep state".
Mr. T looks only strong when he is in a superior position E.g. tariffs - he can do it by himself by invoking some old laws/precedent etc. He has done nothing that included Congress except the judges and the tax cut, nada. (Funny that he is saying that old laws/precedents do not apply when it is about him, e.g. IRS handing over tax returns to congress).
He promised high and low "great" deals - he's got none, not even the tiniest. Pulled out of TPP which had the purpose to keep China in check (he called it, as usual, the worst deal) and promised bilateral deals. To date, he got none, he hasn't even started negotiating. Oh I forgot, he got South Korea (negotiations started under Obama) where the US is now allowed to export more substandard cars than in the previous deal (none of the carmakers came even close to the old numbers) and tariffs on trucks imported from SK to the US remain until 2040 (imports per year from SK to date = ZERO). What an achievement!
Nafta 2 is 98% or maybe more what the Obama administration had already negotiated. Thanks to Mr. T "superb" negotiating skills, farmers can export now an additional 0.25% in products to Canada without tariffs + a few other minor things which as a negotiator you give to your counterpart so he/she can save face.
China - this one shows the ineptitude best. I was laughing my head off how Mr T and his sycophants were crying that China tried to change what they called "agreed" parts of the deal. In what world are they living? Has no one told them that that is a tactic of most Asian nations? For Asians nothing counts until something is signed, all can be negotiated, renegotiated up until the signature has dried on the document.
North Korea - any progress? None whatsoever because the Master Deal Maker is useless in making deals. The Singapore/Hanoi summits showed that clearly.
Troops/wars etc - "It is time the troops are coming home and I will do that now". How many have come home? How many wars has he ended? None, nada, zilch, to the contrary, he is trying desperatly to get his own war.
UK - @mack341 I told you already, read the draft trade document they sent to your government as it will instantly change your opinion about Mr. T. The stuff he is asking for is akin becoming a slave to the US. But you seem to like it, so that's OK.
EU - until this day I have not heard anyone from his administration talking positively about one of their biggest partners and allies. Instead, it is just threats/tariffs/interference into national affairs. E.g. the pipeline from Russia. Mr. T approves one for his country that comes from Canada but says Europe can't have a second one from Russia. Right!
Again, the list could go on and on. IMO, I have not seen a more useless US president in my lifetime and he's trying to cover it up by even more lying, nothing else. E.g if he's so good for his loyal supporters why has he not tried to increase the minimum wage or launched education programs to let them learn new skills that are needed in the future (he has cut the education budget substantially instead), etc etc.
I can tell you where Mr. T is good - getting a deal where others have to agree to his terms (ask South Korea or the countless contractors he bankrupted) . The soon he has not got that position of total strength or total domination, he's completely useless/incompetent and resorts to profanities that are below a fifth-grader level. The best example is the way he succumbs to Pelosi because he knows he has now no or little leverage over her. Hilarious!
The problem is that the US has risen to become this global power due to the historical developments in the last century and Mr. T's temper tantrums have the potential to throw the entire world into chaos/depression or similar. I am just waiting for China to ban/restrict rare earth exports to the US (the US is getting 80% of their needs from China) as the next escalation step. The stock market value that will vanish into thin air could be unprecedented. I'll be watching then if Mr. T's supporters will be still sooooo happy about their 401Ks.
We don't defend The Donald, we just don't criticize everything to death, its not our style.
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With the exception of fox tv, the corporate media despise Trump, so I find it odd this new angry left getting into bed with the corporate media, I suspect at the end of the day it's really all about identity politics and political correctness, [rather than trump using the threat of tariffs to renegotiate trade deals] trump doesn't go along with it so he must be villified along with anyone willing to give him a chance. [the anger seems to focus on shutting down other view points and the general freedom of speech of anyone who disagrees with them ]
Bernie Sanders is more of a traditional left winger and gives an interesting reply in the vid below regarding open borders, saying that they don't help the poor in a country it's the opposite. Helping the least well off in terms of more and better employment has always been the stated goal of the left but this is no longer the priority of politicians like hillary who simply want to write off millions of the electorate as deplorables. Although different to trump, the deep state don't like sanders either, hence the dnc's bias towards hillary getting the nomination. I wonder where the anti trumpsters on this thread stand on bernie??
Bernie Sanders is more of a traditional left winger and gives an interesting reply in the vid below regarding open borders, saying that they don't help the poor in a country it's the opposite. Helping the least well off in terms of more and better employment has always been the stated goal of the left but this is no longer the priority of politicians like hillary who simply want to write off millions of the electorate as deplorables. Although different to trump, the deep state don't like sanders either, hence the dnc's bias towards hillary getting the nomination. I wonder where the anti trumpsters on this thread stand on bernie??
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They aren't happy
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If trump wanted an interest cut I do disagree with that unless it's just a short term measure to boost the economy, I'd like the interest rates to go back up to around 3% to match inflation, for 10 years we've had rates below 1% , whereas in the 90's rates were always above 5%, it just seems odd to have a totally different approach now.
And low interest rates drive house prices up, houses in my street have tripled in price in twenty years but wages haven't tripled so it's an issue to pay off the debt while maintaining a decent standard of living.
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And i thought Bonanza was a repetitive thread lol.
129 pages on here repeating 127 pages on this President Trump .
So after 256 pages can anyone tell me is Trump the best president ever
129 pages on here repeating 127 pages on this President Trump .
So after 256 pages can anyone tell me is Trump the best president ever
Man I loved that threadAnd i thought Bonanza was a repetitive thread lol.
129 pages on here repeating 127 pages on this President Trump .
So after 256 pages can anyone tell me is Trump the best president ever
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Man I loved that thread
Yeah start a petition to get it reopened Goatie so i can find out if anythings happening in N.Korea in here
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Hey I've included several N.Korean news excerpts, no one was interested!
That's because it was fake news
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free tip m8ys.
betfair atm have 200,,000/1 on Kane to drop dead from a Novichok dart while clear on goal tonight. Just wacked a bag on it for Vlad.
Come on the Pool!
betfair atm have 200,,000/1 on Kane to drop dead from a Novichok dart while clear on goal tonight. Just wacked a bag on it for Vlad.
Come on the Pool!
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And i thought Bonanza was a repetitive thread lol.
129 pages on here repeating 127 pages on this President Trump .
So after 256 pages can anyone tell me is Trump the best president ever
Hey it's still probably fewer posts here than the number of Trump's tweets during his presidency.
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What do you expect the media to report when the current US president stands next to Abe in Japan and says: "Obama and Biden were a disaster with the economy and with the military. They were really bad." He just has no class or respect whatsoever.
Other than Faux News who will defend him to their death, no other TV / news channel can report anything positive about him. Denigrating everyone and bragging all the time how great he is, having his sycophants doing a kowtow and confirm what a "stable genius" he is - what do you think a news channel should say to that or how they should report it?
So please, don't try and push again your "poor Mr. T is not liked my the media" thing because there is simply nothing positive to report. When a president lies 24/7, day in day out, what do you expect?
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The media are the chief liars all over the globe, so I don't buy that argument, physical events etc are reported truthfully but everything else in the realm of politics is up for grabs; thus open to exaggeration, lies, falsehoods and so on. They try to influence the outcome of elections, where they have failed recently to achieve their desired outcome, the 2016 presidential election and brexit, they have not accepted the outcomes and continued to work tirelessly to propagate lies and false stories, to denigrate those that voted for trump and leave etc...
That dig was likely aimed more against biden seeing as he is a leading potential opponent in the 2020, it's not the way I'd go about things but I'm not a billionaire real estate magnate, the trickster politician like blair or bill clinton is a far more dangerous prospect to democracy, the moment trump becomes hard to read that's the moment I'd be worried, what is he's true intent...
Apparently john mccain scuppered the healthcare reform and paul ryan was also obstructing it, I don't think there was much wrong with Trump's campaign promises/ideas: withdraw troops and stop getting involved in pointless ME wars, stop mass illegal immigration [building that wall] to reduce crime and other social problems from increasing (homelessness, unemployment etc..) try to bring back and restore some of the manufacturing base, renegotiate nafta and scrap tpp, reform the healthcare system, improve relations with russia...they're the main ones I heard and read about.
Some of these are traditional left wing policies, when there used to be trade tariffs the worker's unions didn't complain as they knew it protected their jobs, the removal of tariffs through nafta cost thousands of working class and middle americans their jobs and livelihood. All that has happened in the last twenty years is the top 1% have become much wealthier, the income divide is the greatest it's ever been in countries like the US and UK.
Conveniently the democrats have moved from focusing on their previous core voters, blue collar workers etc.. onto identity politics and open borders, which suits the 1% fine.
If the media you respect so much concentrated on criticising trump re not doing enough on education and training, too many tax cuts for the rich, damage to the physical environment from fracking, arm sales to saudi etc.. I'd have more respect for them but they're not really bothered about these issues based on how much time or emphasis they place on them say compared to that border wall debate.
People are slowly waking up to the lying media, at which point politics becomes interesting again as everyone has to make up their own minds, which is what they did in those two big voting events...
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Okay I have a suggestion. Start following Bret Baier and Chris Wallace. They should be unbiased enough and maybe you'd get more real info. Or you think they are part of deep state or whatever?
By the way...they didn't have any replacement for healthcare. They just wanted to dismantle ACA and that's it.
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Bret Baier.. lol
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Okay I have a suggestion. Start following Bret Baier and Chris Wallace. They should be unbiased enough and maybe you'd get more real info. Or you think they are part of deep state or whatever?
By the way...they didn't have any replacement for healthcare. They just wanted to dismantle ACA and that's it.
I have to say I'm not that keen on chris wallace, he's not too bad but I noticed some loaded questioning during the republican debate that instantly put me off. Bret Baier, I recognise the face but haven't seen much of his work
I'm quite happy to admit I don't know all the ins and outs of trumps tenure, I find the healthcare debate confusing, I don't know enough about the problems with the current system other than the high cost. I thought obama's system helped the large insurers too much, that's what I remember hearing.
I grew up watching an interviewer in the uk called brian walden, who was an mp at first then switched career to television where he won major awards, this vid I just found is actually more interesting than I first thought as it covers the very issues we've been discussing regarding imports, jobs and tariffs:
I disagree with brian in this interview, he's pushing the globalist view whereas sir jimmy goldsmith was actually taking the old conservative view, similar to trump's, on manufacturing and jobs.
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I didn't realise sir jimmy was so far sighted on the dangers of globalism, 7.00 onwards, look at rose's face at 8.05 he doesn't like the truth at all. And why the 1% have mainly benefitted from it and no one else in real terms, the slightly cheaper consumer goods doesn't match the multitude of downsides. [ 12.57]
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Okay I have a suggestion. Start following Bret Baier and Chris Wallace. They should be unbiased enough and maybe you'd get more real info. Or you think they are part of deep state or whatever?
By the way...they didn't have any replacement for healthcare. They just wanted to dismantle ACA and that's it.
I don't think that's accurate, Vorcirion. It wasn't so much Obamacare as it was the mandate. The mandate is gone. A good portion of Obamacare remains unaffected. A few key changes include the ability to lower the actuarial value of certain types of coverage. Subsidies and tax credits are not determined by income or incurred expenses. This is determined by age. The cost of coverage is also factored by age---> with a 5 to 1 ratio. Obamacare was 3:1. You old farts will pay 5 times more for healthcare than your grandkids will. Sucks to be old. Pre-existing coverage is still a thing but the enrollment window is shortened to 6 weeks. I don't know (or understand ) much else.
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"In December, a federal judge in Texas ruled Obamacare unconstitutional after 20 Republican-led states filed a suit against the health-care policy. U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor said that without the individual mandate, the law could not stand."
I'd say that's dismantling it. And it would be nice for americans to see what republicans offer as a replacement.
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Right. It has been replaced with The American Healthcare Act. My point was that many (positive) aspects of Obamacare are still in effect. I think taking the view that the Trump administration was intent on destroying everything Obamacare is a bit dramatic.
Edited to add: GOP and Trump Administration are not interchangeable in this instance, so I will concede that there was some truth in your statement as to GOP intent. I apologize.
Edited to add: GOP and Trump Administration are not interchangeable in this instance, so I will concede that there was some truth in your statement as to GOP intent. I apologize.
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Sure there are many positive aspects in effect...but
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So people need to decide what they want from the next administration.
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I want the same administration.
Q know what I'm saying?
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