North Korea and US politics

[Harry_BKK]

The delusion and lying are growing to epic proportions.

Question comes up why they did not have the plan in 2017, after all they had 6 years to get it done? And of course now only after the election to avoid another desaster like in 2018. And voters are kept in the dark what the proposal will be, so they can't make an informed decision for the election.

Lying realtor and snakeoil salesman as usual.

 

[goatwack]

I see the Democrats' great hope, wily ol' Joe Biden, is a bit of a serial groper it seems

Given the erm 'modest' outrage levelled at Trumpo, I can't wait to see the Democrats excuse this behaviour, should he get anywhere near the White House (he won't)

 

[Harry_BKK]

I see the Democrats' great hope, wily ol' Joe Biden, is a bit of a serial groper it seems

Given the erm 'modest' outrage levelled at Trumpo, I can't wait to see the Democrats excuse this behaviour, should he get anywhere near the White House (he won't)

Biden was and never will be their candidate for 2020. IMO, he is only doing the pre-work

 

[Steviedoo]

...what about the 90 billion dollars the government gave to puerto rico for hurricane maria..

he lies and people believe him......

 

[Playford7]

Maga 2020.
Sorry couldn’t resist, I’ll leave now...

 

[Harry_BKK]

...what about the 90 billion dollars the government gave to puerto rico for hurricane maria..

he lies and people believe him......

The 90B is what experts have estimated it will cost in total to rebuild everything on the island. Nowhere did they say that all is coming from federal coffers. Only a fraction of that has been spent.

But Mr. T will twist anything to fit his narrative.

He lies now about everything including things that are easily fact-checked. That shows how brazzen he has become.

 

[Playford7]

The 90B is what experts have estimated it will cost in total to rebuild everything on the island. Nowhere did they say that all is coming from federal coffers. Only a fraction of that has been spent.

But Mr. T will twist anything to fit his narrative.

He lies now about everything including things that are easily fact-checked. That shows how brazzen he has become.

Harry some respect please for the most powerful man in the world!.. sheeeesh!.

 

[slotplayer]

I see the Democrats' great hope, wily ol' Joe Biden, is a bit of a serial groper it seems

Given the erm 'modest' outrage levelled at Trumpo, I can't wait to see the Democrats excuse this behaviour, should he get anywhere near the White House (he won't)

A couple of weeks ago I chatting on the phone with a buddy and he mentioned Biden, I told him that Biden was creepy, always touching people and to watch how it will all come out in the media.

 

[Harry_BKK]

...what about the 90 billion dollars the government gave to puerto rico for hurricane maria..

he lies and people believe him......

Just remembered one thing.

Where is the 10% extra tax cut Mr. T promised so bigly before the 2018 election?

Has there been any other talk about it after the election? I mean, everyone with some brain cells knew it was a desperate lie to win a few votes but someone should keep him accountable for is promises.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This is one of the typical lies from Mr. T that completely distort the facts.

He conveniently does not mention that the WTO ruled as well against the US and Boeing. The WTO basically ruled that both, the EU and the US handed out subsidies which they shouldn't. And he also forgot to mention that the EU is preparing similar tariffs.

Misinformation, lying, bragging, exaggerating - there is just never anything good coming from Mr. T.

 

[goatwack]

I dunno. I'm getting that you don't like Trump very much, Harry. I could be wrong

 

[Steviedoo]

I dunno. I'm getting that you don't like Trump very much, Harry. I could be wrong

Doesn’t matter what the truth is....people who support trump don’t care whether he had twenty affairs, lied a thousand times over about anything and everything...just wondering how they are all doing with their taxes this year tho...

 

[goatwack]

Doesn’t matter what the truth is....people who support trump don’t care whether he had twenty affairs, lied a thousand times over about anything and everything...just wondering how they are all doing with their taxes this year tho...

It could also be that some voted for him based on being the lesser of two evils, and they may not like him that much either. It may also be that many people are fairly neutral and can see and think for themselves!

This notion that voters are rabid extremist as part of a hive mind is exactly what the media's been trying to achieve. I find it incredible how people that claim to be civilized lose their shit when someone doesn't join in their exact line of thinking and throws out the accusatory put-downs.

It's all rather sad

 

[Steviedoo]

It could also be that some voted for him based on being the lesser of two evils, and they may not like him that much either. It may also be that many people are fairly neutral and can see and think for themselves!

This notion that voters are rabid extremist as part of a hive mind is exactly what the media's been trying to achieve. I find it incredible how people that claim to be civilized lose their shit when someone doesn't join in their exact line of thinking and throws out the accusatory put-downs.

It's all rather sad

Where is the put down?

Hmmm...you’re extracting a lot....


Where do i say they are rabid extremists of a hive mind? I didn’t even imply it. Those are pretty strong words....

And where am I losing my shit because people are not agreeing with me?

I find it incredible that you got all that from my post.

 

[mack341]

Where is the put down?

Hmmm...you’re extracting a lot....


Where do i say they are rabid extremists of a hive mind? I didn’t even imply it. Those are pretty strong words....

And where am I losing my shit because people are not agreeing with me?

I find it incredible that you got all that from my post.

The cambridge online Dictionary defines rabid as: "A person who is described as rabid is extremely enthusiastic or has extreme feelings or opinions"

I'm afraid that is the gist of your post, despite trump being a serial liar about anything and everything, they'll still vote for him regardless. And that is definitely a clear put down as well.

to say 'people who support trump' implies not some people but all, so that is an accusation of a hive mind mentality in trump voters

I think though you'd find a broad spectrum of views and feelings on Trump from his voters, I certainly don't like everything he does it's probably running at 50/50.

Perhaps democrats could find common ground with republicans and not be so polarised in their thinking. [largely led by the liberal mainstream media] The democrats can't become even more focused on identity politics, they'd be better focusing on tackling the crime and big society problems, here they don't seem to have any real concrete plans just pipe dreams.

 

[Steviedoo]

The cambridge online Dictionary defines rabid as: "A person who is described as rabid is extremely enthusiastic or has extreme feelings or opinions"

I'm afraid that is the gist of your post, despite trump being a serial liar about anything and everything, they'll still vote for him regardless. And that is definitely a clear put down as well.

to say 'people who support trump' implies not some people but all, so that is an accusation of a hive mind mentality in trump voters

I think though you'd find a broad spectrum of views and feelings on Trump from his voters, I certainly don't like everything he does it's probably running at 50/50.

Perhaps democrats could find common ground with republicans and not be so polarised in their thinking. [largely led by the liberal mainstream media] The democrats can't become even more focused on identity politics, they'd be better focusing on tackling the crime and big society problems, here they don't seem to have any real concrete plans just pipe dreams.

hmmmm...you read the dictionary...

"rabid as: "A person who is described as rabid is extremely enthusiastic or has extreme feelings or opinions..." nice to know you can read into all of this over one small comment...but its to be expected on this thread...."
still do not see the connection...but ok.

... you all seem to read something into it....

"I'm afraid that is the gist of your post, despite trump being a serial liar about anything and everything, they'll still vote for him regardless."

didn't say they would vote for him regradless...i said they don't care if he lies....please quote me my post where i say that....but here let me quote it back to you:

Doesn’t matter what the truth is....people who support trump don’t care whether he had twenty affairs, lied a thousand times over about anything and everything...just wondering how they are all doing with their taxes this year tho...


as for the rest of your post...i'm not gonna answer cuz i don't care,,,

have a great day...

 

[mack341]

hmmmm...you read the dictionary...

"rabid as: "A person who is described as rabid is extremely enthusiastic or has extreme feelings or opinions..." nice to know you can read into all of this over one small comment...but its to be expected on this thread...."
still do not see the connection...but ok.

... you all seem to read something into it....

"I'm afraid that is the gist of your post, despite trump being a serial liar about anything and everything, they'll still vote for him regardless."

didn't say they would vote for him regradless...i said they don't care if he lies....please quote me my post where i say that....but here let me quote it back to you:

Doesn’t matter what the truth is....people who support trump don’t care whether he had twenty affairs, lied a thousand times over about anything and everything...just wondering how they are all doing with their taxes this year tho...


as for the rest of your post...i'm not gonna answer cuz i don't care,,,

have a great day...

yes but 'support Trump', seeing as he is a politician, means voting for him doesn't it? I assumed you were talking about the voters in america who support trump. If I was american I'd probably have to vote for him as the conservative candidate, I quite like Rand paul and would probably favour him over Trump but I don't know all of his policies, just the bits I've seen.

Trump is a bit bellicose and prone to hyperbole, but his straight talking approach appeals to a lot of people, why can't you acknowledge he must have something about him to attract this support, or are the democrat opposition so ridiculously bad and out of touch he wins votes that way?

I know you said you're not bothered and wished me a great day instead, so I guess I've just wasted my time replying

 

[slotplayer]

The clown show starts in June.

 

[mack341]

The clown show starts in June.

we've had the clown show running here for the last two years, and likely to run on for at least another 52 weeks

 

[goatwack]

Here's some tasty revelations, for those interested

 

[Playford7]

Who is this crazy eyed cortez women btw with that insane green deal?..

 

[goatwack]

Who is this crazy eyed cortez women btw with that insane green deal?..

You mean her?

 

[Playford7]

You mean her?

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That’s the one mate, only he probably speaks more sense

 

[Harry_BKK]

yes but 'support Trump', seeing as he is a politician, means voting for him doesn't it? I assumed you were talking about the voters in america who support trump. If I was american I'd probably have to vote for him as the conservative candidate, I quite like Rand paul and would probably favour him over Trump but I don't know all of his policies, just the bits I've seen.

Trump is a bit bellicose and prone to hyperbole, but his straight talking approach appeals to a lot of people, why can't you acknowledge he must have something about him to attract this support, or are the democrat opposition so ridiculously bad and out of touch he wins votes that way?

I know you said you're not bothered and wished me a great day instead, so I guess I've just wasted my time replying

The issue is that he is not straight talking. I would like to see one example of straight talking.

IMO, he first spreads lies or exaggerates, than issues threats e.g. closing border, tariffs, sanctions, fire and fury etc and it ends almost every time with having achieved nothing, nada. Which is then followed with more lies and attempts to put the blame on others.

Just like my Airbus/EU example on the previous page - he lies that the EU took advantage, he threatens tariffs and talks like they have been imposed already, but it is far from that as Lightizer only published a list for public consultation that they are planning for extra tariffs. He nowhere mentions that the US has been found guilty too by the WTO and the EU has now the same right to impose tariffs, and is working as well on a list.

That is what a WTO ruling allows if a country is found to have broken WTO rules. The other country/ies CAN impose tariffs to recover the estimated financial damage. That is however not a MUST as Mr. T tries to spin it.

Or the trade deficit or the budget deficit or the immigration numbers etc etc etc .....all the same nonsense approach which achieves not only nothing, it often makes matters worse.

 

[mack341]

when I say straight talking, he could still be exaggerating or misinterpreting something, but he doesn't tend to beat around the bush. I don't think you could say his speeches are subtle, complex or complicated and people therefore are unable to follow him.

It's easier I think for politicians to lie and try to deceive when they're not straight talkers, Mrs may is a classic example. [tony blair is the ultimate snake tongue]

Regarding the fines and tariffs, I wonder how much tit for tat has been going on for quite a while, I seem to recall the EU have fined microsoft, google in the past for monopoly abuse etc.., the US fined volkswagen.

I think Trump wants to give over the message or impression that he is standing up for america, the fact that the US govt may have also been helping their big companies with hidden subsidies is not something he is going to focus on and bring to the attention of the us public.

my view is big business and the banks sold out on america after the changes bill clinton brought in, whether they had to do it to survive or it was just greed is open to debate. But Trump would rather say the chinese have been cheating, there could be an element of truth to that, but the trade deficit is mainly because a lot of US manufacturing and investment went global. I bet there wasn't a trade deficit pre 1990.

 

[slotplayer]

Stu Varney, Published on Dec 10, 2018

 

[vorcirion]

Stu Varney, Published on Dec 10, 2018

Coming from an idiot like Stu here. I think we're doing just fine here in Europe. Stu just hates that poor get anything, that they are taken care of. If it was up to him...only the rich people would have things and rest of the population can go to hell.

 

[mack341]

Stu Varney, Published on Dec 10, 2018

I can agree with some of his points but at 1.40 secs he says 'what's with america's socialists, why do they want to bring european chaos here, they don't care about prosperity" it kind of implies you have no chaos of your own in the US, everything's hunky dory, I guess it is for some but he does come over a bit complacent.

The original settlers in america and canada were brits and europeans, there is an underlying shared morality and principles [some would say christian based but that's another debate] so you'd expect to see similar ways of thinking in europe and the US.

I don't think the democrats have the right answers, as it just tends to come down to improved handouts and open borders, which requires more govt borrowing and debt, and increases crime and other society problems like homelessness.

There are certain types of socialists pushing for that here but I wouldn't say its popular with the majority. I think atm we have a failed type of capitalism and government but no one has the answer, including politicians on the left and the ones on the right who think every thing is fine and dandy...

 

[slotplayer]

That is how its portrayed here. You have the left that wants to sell the American people on European and Canadian social programs so they emphasize all the benefits, national healthcare, family leave, free college, then you have the capitalists like Stu saying how bad it would be, the question does occur to me is Stu just watching out for the little empire he's build or is he being realistic.

 

[mack341]

That is how its portrayed here. You have the left that wants to sell the American people on European and Canadian social programs so they emphasize all the benefits, national healthcare, family leave, free college, then you have the capitalists like Stu saying how bad it would be, the question does occur to me is Stu just watching out for the little empire he's build or is he being realistic.

The thing is a lot of the 'progressive' northern european countries have a population around 5 million [sweden is 10 m] so the 'nordic model' is more manageable resource wise than in the US with 330 million. I sense canada is closer to the european social sysytems than the US, but again they only have approx 1/10 the population.

A great divide between rich and poor is not IMO a sign of a successful cohesive system, but I guess the argument is so polarised in the US, any ideas to address the gap will get immediately tarnished as 'that's socialism!' It would've been interesting to hear Stu's views on the bank bail outs in 2008 and how that all happened if the system was fit for purpose or the best we can achieve. I wonder also what his views are on the tea part movement in republican circles, apparently rand paul is a supporter of them.

We've got many of the same problems in the uk as you have in the usa [ we haven't got the gun crime but have got a big knife problem amongst some feral youngsters ] drugs and homelessness, cutbacks to services like public libraries, hospitals etc..

Being the world's policeman and having a new cold war/arms race with russia which Trump seems to be going along with now will also divert resources away from other uses, but by the time people realise the waste it's too late.

 

[slotplayer]

The thing is a lot of the 'progressive' northern european countries have a population around 5 million [sweden is 10 m] so the 'nordic model' is more manageable resource wise than in the US with 330 million. I sense canada is closer to the european social sysytems than the US, but again they only have approx 1/10 the population.

A great divide between rich and poor is not IMO a sign of a successful cohesive system, but I guess the argument is so polarised in the US, any ideas to address the gap will get immediately tarnished as 'that's socialism!' It would've been interesting to hear Stu's views on the bank bail outs in 2008 and how that all happened if the system was fit for purpose or the best we can achieve. I wonder also what his views are on the tea part movement in republican circles, apparently rand paul is a supporter of them.

We've got many of the same problems in the uk as you have in the usa [ we haven't got the gun crime but have got a big knife problem amongst some feral youngsters ] drugs and homelessness, cutbacks to services like public libraries, hospitals etc..

Being the world's policeman and having a new cold war/arms race with russia which Trump seems to be going along with now will also divert resources away from other uses, but by the time people realise the waste it's too late.

Canada made the news, something about not allowing "asylum shopping".

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No doubt there has been a shift in the equity pie.

I think its due to both the US immigration policy and corporate greed.

 

[mack341]

Canada made the news, something about not allowing "asylum shopping".

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No doubt there has been a shift in the equity pie.

I think its due to both the US immigration policy and corporate greed.

corporate greed in canada or in usa/general? yeah, I think Trump toughening up the immigration process will lead to people saying 'oh well we'll try and move to our second choice, canada'

one passage in that article particularly drew my attention:

"The Canadian Council for Refugees warned the provisions would place many people at greater risk of being sent back to their countries of origin, where they could face persecution."

These groups never seem to lobby with the same effort for policies forcing the countries to do more to stop the persecution, e.g. they could treat it like a form of terrorism and freeze the countries, in question, leader's bank accounts/assets. Might work or would at least be a start to trying to solve problems at source.

 

[slotplayer]

corporate greed in canada or in usa/general? yeah, I think Trump toughening up the immigration process will lead to people saying 'oh well we'll try and move to our second choice, canada'

one passage in that article particularly drew my attention:

"The Canadian Council for Refugees warned the provisions would place many people at greater risk of being sent back to their countries of origin, where they could face persecution."

These groups never seem to lobby with the same effort for policies forcing the countries to do more to stop the persecution, e.g. they could treat it like a form of terrorism and freeze the countries, in question, leader's bank accounts/assets. Might work or would at least be a start to trying to solve problems at source.

Corporate greed, I was thinking of the exploitation of cheap labor and CEO 'golden parachutes'.

 

[Harry_BKK]

when I say straight talking, he could still be exaggerating or misinterpreting something, but he doesn't tend to beat around the bush. I don't think you could say his speeches are subtle, complex or complicated and people therefore are unable to follow him.

It's easier I think for politicians to lie and try to deceive when they're not straight talkers, Mrs may is a classic example. [tony blair is the ultimate snake tongue]

Regarding the fines and tariffs, I wonder how much tit for tat has been going on for quite a while, I seem to recall the EU have fined microsoft, google in the past for monopoly abuse etc.., the US fined volkswagen.

I think Trump wants to give over the message or impression that he is standing up for america, the fact that the US govt may have also been helping their big companies with hidden subsidies is not something he is going to focus on and bring to the attention of the us public.

my view is big business and the banks sold out on america after the changes bill clinton brought in, whether they had to do it to survive or it was just greed is open to debate. But Trump would rather say the chinese have been cheating, there could be an element of truth to that, but the trade deficit is mainly because a lot of US manufacturing and investment went global. I bet there wasn't a trade deficit pre 1990.

Here some of Mr. T's "straight talking".

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[goatwack]

Didn't Trumpo say he had a German father/ grandfather recently, which was disputed? Bet that looked a smite embarrassing

 

[Harry_BKK]

Didn't Trumpo say he had a German father/ grandfather recently, which was disputed? Bet that looked a smite embarrassing

Yeah, it was the same day when he spoke about the "oringes" of the Russia investigation.

His grandfather was born in Germany and they emigrated around the turn of the 20th century.

For years, Mr. T insisted he was born in Sweden, apparently was because he was ashamed to be German after WWII.

Straigth talking as "always".

 

[mack341]

Here some of Mr. T's "straight talking".

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I think I would say when Trump is speaking at a rally he does do straight talking, when he's being asked a question by a journalist on an issue where he's backtracked or seeking to backtrack then the straight talking is gone, suddenly he's just like any other politician but generally not as polished or convincing. He brags/exaggerates more than any other politician in recent history but he is still focused on some of the issues close to many americans, crime, immigration and jobs [manufacturing specifically]. Whereas the democrats don't seem interested in these, at least not in the same way.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I think I would say when Trump is speaking at a rally he does do straight talking, when he's being asked a question by a journalist on an issue where he's backtracked or seeking to backtrack then the straight talking is gone, suddenly he's just like any other politician but generally not as polished or convincing. He brags/exaggerates more than any other politician in recent history but he is still focused on some of the issues close to many americans, crime, immigration and jobs [manufacturing specifically]. Whereas the democrats don't seem interested in these, at least not in the same way.

He spreads the same lies at his rallies as he does in the Oval Office or in a press conference.

I have yet to see a difference. It is lying, exaggerating, bragging, insulting etc all the time.

 

[mack341]

He spreads the same lies at his rallies as he does in the Oval Office or in a press conference.

I have yet to see a difference. It is lying, exaggerating, bragging, insulting etc all the time.

The ground for Trump to take office was laid by the last 4 presidents before him, I think you should be equally angry at their failings.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The ground for Trump to take office was laid by the last 4 presidents before him, I think you should be equally angry at their failings.

I never said I am angry about anyone. No president or PM is perfect, no one expects that.

However, Mr. T lacks even the slightest bit of decency and respect, what is usually the norm in our civilized world.

 

[mack341]

I never said I am angry about anyone. No president or PM is perfect, no one expects that.

However, Mr. T lacks even the slightest bit of decency and respect, what is usually the norm in our civilized world.

maybe annoyed is a better word then or displeasure.

So hold on, is this his personal traits [no decency or respect] or policies that bother you, and how can you say obama had decency and respect with the number of innocent people murdered by his drone strikes/ and bombs in yemen?

 

[slotplayer]

The pig will be walking upright soon mates and Olympus will fall. Good luck with the domino effect.

 

[slotplayer]

Tucker is back.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Mr. T

- I have the best brain
- I am a stable genius

- I can't remember - 36x to Mueller's questions (where he had all the time to think, remember and write them down)

So which one is the bigger lie?

 

[slotplayer]

Seems to be a lot of that memory loss going around. lol

 

[Harry_BKK]

This is what your president is selling you for the best and biggest deal ever, he even insisted on a new name - a 0.35% improvement over Nafta in six years

Source: US International Trade Commission: "The report estimates the deal would raise GDP by 0.35% and create 176,000 jobs after six years."

According to Mr. T, NAFTA was the worst deal ever. So he just made the worst deal less bad by 0.35% over six years!

How great is that!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Seems to be a lot of that memory loss going around. lol

Comey never claimed to have the best brain or best memory contrary to your idol, Mr. T.

Just take this:

MR. T in 2016: I love Wikileaks
Mr. T in 2019: I know nothing about Wikileaks

Is it that hard for you to acknowledge that your president is a lying braggard and that all you can do is deflect, deflect, deflect??

 

[goatwack]

0.35% growth. What a pitch to win a second term!

 

[Harry_BKK]

0.35% growth. What a pitch to win a second term!

Wait ....the 0.35% are after 6 years mate!!!

 

[goatwack]