North Korea and US politics

[Harry_BKK]

Canada must need a fair bit with their temperatures and alaska too, it can also be stored until required.

I want to pay the lowest price possible for gas as my home is not very warm in winter as it is, but if the elite in this country can get away with it they will make us use expensive fracked gas rather than import cheaper russian gas, its probably the reason why we have also began fracking here.

It starts to make me wonder whether a few years ago the the neocons and their think tanks here and in the US came up with this fracking industry for only one real reason to try to damage the russian economy which relies on exporting energy.

Russia and Iran, those are the two with the largest reserves worldwide.

Canada has plenty of gas, they were actually exporting to the US, don't know if that still is the case today.

 

[mack341]

There's a very interesting article on the new american website,

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An extract:
NATO — when viewed less as a military defense alliance, and more as a means of reducing the national sovereignty of its member nations — is understandably not considered obsolete. On the contrary, NATO’s expansion to include many of the nations of eastern Europe is extremely relevant to the goal of creating a multinational super-state on the continent of Europe that would also include the United States and Canada.

That is why the vote in the United Kingdom to leave the European Union (EU) — Brexit — was such a blow to the aspirations of these global elites. When America’s incoming president praises Britain’s leaving the EU as “so smart,” and insists, “I think Brexit is going to end up being a great thing,” all the efforts of these global elites to build an international governing structure are threatened.

 

[slotplayer]

Angela got exactly to the point what was agreed in the coalition agreement after the election. Mr. Seehofer was just used as a conduit to get all countries to the table.

NATO snickering: Is the opinion of the Fox host, hilarious how he tries to insist it is "snickering". Most of the time throughout the video clip, none of those leaders are smiling or "snickering". Plus Fox, did not simultaneously show what Mr. T said in that moment when they were smiling. So much for transparent reporting.

Obama NATO: Of course, Obama brought it up too. Result was their 2% pledge in 2014 at the Wales summit and everyone is working towards it. Military spending of NATO countries increased every years since 2015.

Your Obama video in fact shows exactly how a decent president should do that. No insults, no questioning of sovereignty, no blasting, instead do the proper talks and negotiations out of the public eye. And he didn't travel to Finland after the summit to meet Vlad one-on-one.

As I said earlier, Mr. T tries to create a public crisis for everything because he thinks that gives him extra leverage. That might help when you are a real-estate bully in New York but certainly not on an international stage. In contrary, you are making a fool of yourself because at some point nobody will take you serious anymore.

I remember that NATO summit last year, I watched it live. They described it as snickering then. I could only find the video with Carl Rove, (the guys who says it was not snickering). They were snickering because they did saw Trump as a boob.

Rove was the younger Bushes Senior Advisor. I remember during the Bush presidency I was a left leaner and did not watch Fox, mostly CNN, well CNN painted Carl Rove as Satan himself. Then I saw him on a Fox interview and was shocked at how mild mannered he was. Nothing like CNN portrayed him.

Meeting the 2% pledge by 2024 date was just lip service.

Its more about substance than style. At the end of the day if the people can't find a job to provide for their families, they aren't going to give two hoots whether Obama was a world class speaker or Trump was a blunder head.

We'll know in the upcoming elections.

 

[slotplayer]

Canada must need a fair bit with their temperatures and alaska too, it can also be stored until required.

I want to pay the lowest price possible for gas as my home is not very warm in winter as it is, but if the elite in this country can get away with it they will make us use expensive fracked gas rather than import cheaper russian gas, its probably the reason why we have also began fracking here.

It starts to make me wonder whether a few years ago the the neocons and their think tanks here and in the US came up with this fracking industry for only one real reason to try to damage the russian economy which relies on exporting energy.

I think the US dumps the oil/gas on the open market.

Hydraulic Fracking been around since the late 1940's. The way I understand it is, it was never a cost effective way of extracting fossils until oil went to $140 a barrel

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then it became a worth while industry(profit wise that is).

I understand today that oil has to be about $60/barrel for fracking to be profitable.

 

[slotplayer]

Russia and Iran, those are the two with the largest reserves worldwide.

Canada has plenty of gas, they were actually exporting to the US, don't know if that still is the case today.

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[slotplayer]

This blimp is childish, I don't think it represents most british people, its rude and impolite. Parts of the uk establishment are not against trying to undermine Trump, regardless of free speech there's no way a blimp of Mohammad bin Salman, Bibi Netanyahu or Xi Jinping would have been allowed when they visited london. Donald almost gets as much bad press coverage here as putin. I think he needs to laugh off the blimp with a one liner though.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I remember that NATO summit last year, I watched it live. They described it as snickering then. I could only find the video with Carl Rove, (the guys who says it was not snickering). They were snickering because they did saw Trump as a boob.

Rove was the younger Bushes Senior Advisor. I remember during the Bush presidency I was a left leaner and did not watch Fox, mostly CNN, well CNN painted Carl Rove as Satan himself. Then I saw him on a Fox interview and was shocked at how mild mannered he was. Nothing like CNN portrayed him.

Meeting the 2% pledge by 2024 date was just lip service.

Its more about substance than style. At the end of the day if the people can't find a job to provide for their families, they aren't going to give two hoots whether Obama was a world class speaker or Trump was a blunder head.

We'll know in the upcoming elections.

Did you listen what Mr. T said in his first ever speech at the new NATO HQ. I can tell you that there was plenty to not just "snicker" about but to laugh out loud.

Lip service or not, all NATO members have increased their defense spending since the summit where they agreed to the 2%. Mr. T boasted about a $33B increase in 2017 because of his actions, only that the increase started already in 2015, hence, nothing to do with Mr. T. Especially, since such increased expenditure has to go through a lengthy political process until it is finally approved. No democratic country will just snip with their fingers and increase military spending.

What substance has Mr. T brought to the table please? I can take a magnifying glass and still won't find anything. Plus he was yet again late for most meetings. Sorry but there is nothing presidential or of substance whatsoever in your sitting president.

He actually tried, after failing with his fracked gas offer, to peddle US defense companies and products during the summit, exactly after asking for an increase to 4% of GDP, saying: "The US produces by far the best aircraft, rifles and missiles." And then boasted that some heads of state have asked him for help with their orders. Right! Showing off the best dealmaker, just like the $300 billion he signed in China last year. Ever heard of something coming to fruition from that?

 

[slotplayer]

I don't get it. How can anyone explain it?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I don't get it. How can anyone explain it?



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Just read who made the poll. Plus, the top search results seem to be all right wing media. Cherry-picking poll results? Because only a part of them are actually favorable for Mr. T.

Plus doing this kind of poll exactly after Mr. T signed the EO to end family separation proves that the results can't be taken serious since an increase among Hispanics would be expected.

To have fair results would be a poll at the height of the separation chaos and then repeated after he signed the EO.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This blimp is childish, I don't think it represents most british people, its rude and impolite. Parts of the uk establishment are not against trying to undermine Trump, regardless of free speech there's no way a blimp of Mohammad bin Salman, Bibi Netanyahu or Xi Jinping would have been allowed when they visited london. Donald almost gets as much bad press coverage here as putin. I think he needs to laugh off the blimp with a one liner though.

If the blimp is childish, then what were Mr. T's insults in the interview with the worst UK tabloid? I think he earned that blimp, fair and square.

Question comes up, who Mr. T didn't insult in his 18 months as US president and more current, during this trip?

 

[mack341]

If the blimp is childish, then what were Mr. T insults in the interview with the worst UK tabloid? I think he earned that blimp, fair and square.

Question comes up, who Mr. T didn't insult in his 18 months as US president and more current, during this trip?

yeah, but I think you would agree the other three leaders I mentioned have been doing worse things than 'insult' people, and no blimp of them would be allowed. We do have a history of political caricature in the UK, so it could be included in that, but satire is no good if the establishment control who does and doesn't get targeted.

Edit: I spent 35 mins earlier watching trump's nato press conference, he didn't come across well, he was very irritable until the questions moved on from nato to putin and brexit, then he changed and lightened up. I don't think he really believes in Nato, the underlying purpose of it relates to globalism and trump is a nationalist; In my opinion he thinks if the members of Nato believe in the alliance and want it to carry on expanding eastward to pressurise russia then they must increase their funding to achieve this and at the time US should quietly reduce their expenditure commitments to Nato so that they meet in the middle.

 

[Harry_BKK]

yeah, but I think you would agree the other three leaders I mentioned have been doing worse things than 'insult' people, and no blimp of them would be allowed. We do have a history of political caricature in the UK, so it could be included in that, but satire is no good if the establishment control who does and doesn't get targeted.

Those three don't have pure white shirts but I have not read or heard any public insults of other heads of state coming from them, and that repeatedly as Mr. T does it.

 

[mack341]

Those three don't have pure white shirts but I have not read or heard any public insults of other heads of state coming from them, and that repeatedly as Mr. T does it.

True, but do you think If somebody had wanted to fly a blimp of those other three leaders they would be allowed by the political establishment in the UK?

just reading more of the background of this blimp, there are interviews online with leo murray one of the key people in a group of protesters behind it, and he stated:

"The group then decided that if he ever comes here, we obviously have to protest. However, there’s a chance he won't really give a fuck about a regular protest against his policies. He lacks the capacity for moral shame. You simply can't reason with him, because he's not a reasonable person. You also can't appeal to his conscience as he's got no conscience. So we went with ridicule."

This reasoning behind the blimp, rather than it being about trump insulting other leaders shows it is mainly to do with his policies, so the same criteria should definitely have applied to Mohammad bin Salman, Bibi Netanyahu or Xi Jinping. Yet, I see no blimps of them were ever flown above london. A free and inquisitive press would have wanted to put that question to them but I haven't seen it asked, maybe I missed it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

True, but do you think If somebody had wanted to fly a blimp of those other three leaders they would be allowed by the political establishment in the UK?

just reading more of the background of this blimp, there are interviews online with leo murray one of the key people in a group of protesters behind it, and he stated:

"The group then decided that if he ever comes here, we obviously have to protest. However, there’s a chance he won't really give a fuck about a regular protest against his policies. He lacks the capacity for moral shame. You simply can't reason with him, because he's not a reasonable person. You also can't appeal to his conscience as he's got no conscience. So we went with ridicule."

This reasoning behind the blimp, rather than it being about trump insulting other leaders shows it is mainly to do with his policies, so the same criteria should definitely have applied to Mohammad bin Salman, Bibi Netanyahu or Xi Jinping. Yet, I see no blimps of them were ever flown above london. A free and inquisitive press would have wanted to put that question to them but I haven't seen it asked, maybe I missed it.

TBH, there have been numerous other strange things happening during protests, virtually in every democratic country. Just look at the carnival parades happening in Germany every February. They don't have flying blimps but they use floats. The ridicule is much more intense than the rather simple blimp.

The three you mentioned are a lot less vocal in public, hence, not much in the minds of people since they don't feature virtually on every newscast.

 

[Harry_BKK]

TBH, there have been numerous other strange things happening during protests, virtually in every democratic country. Just look at the carnival parades happening in Germany every February. They don't have flying blimps but they use floats. The ridicule is much more intense than the rather simple blimp.

The three you mentioned are a lot less vocal in public, hence, not much in the minds of people since they don't feature virtually on every newscast.

Here a few samples

The text on Mr. T's hair in the bottom right photo reads: "Make Fascism Great Again". The translation for the text on the wave is: "Immigrant Wave"

 

[mack341]

Yeah that is true they are less vocal especially xi jinping, but if you are a real protester concerned about human rights issues and policies surely those three leaders should still be targeted as much as trump? They've been longer 'at it' than trump as well.

 

[mack341]

Here a few samples

The text on Mr. T's hair in the bottom right photo reads: "Make Fascism Great Again". The translation for the text on the wave is: "Immigrant Wave"

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when you said floats in germany, I thought it would be german politicians being ridiculed? Is it just trump or are other world leaders/german politicians targeted? [tony blair certainly deserves ridicule and public shaming.]

 

[mack341]

Here a few samples

The text on Mr. T's hair in the bottom right photo reads: "Make Fascism Great Again". The translation for the text on the wave is: "Immigrant Wave"

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These have never been shown on american or even british tv I bet.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yeah that is true they are less vocal especially xi jinping, but if you are a real protester concerned about human rights issues and policies surely those three leaders should still be targeted as much as trump? They've been longer 'at it' than trump as well.

There is a German saying which roughly translates to: "Out of sight, out of mind".

The vast amount of information and news lets the common public filter to remember only the most prominent events.

 

[Harry_BKK]

when you said floats in germany, I thought it would be german politicians being ridiculed? Is it just trump or are other world leaders/german politicians targeted? [tony blair certainly deserves ridicule and public shaming.]

Nobody is spared.

Left: German Economy
Right: Berlusconi is back

 

[mack341]

Nobody is spared.

Left: German Economy
Right: Berlusconi is back

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good I like to see even handedness. Is that Hollande, that's a funny one.

 

[Harry_BKK]

These have never been shown on american or even british tv I bet.

Don't know whether they are shown on TV in other countries. I watch the Cologne parade every year, from start to end, just to see what will be on their floats.

 

[mack341]

There is a German saying which roughly translates to: "Out of sight, out of mind".

The vast amount of information and news lets the common public filter to remember only the most prominent events.

Yes I know what you mean Trump is a hot topic all round the world, but the media decide which topics they give prominence to and which get buried, plus real protesters would follow the news more than the common public at an indepth level and know for example about yemen, tibet, and the gaza strip.

 

[mack341]

Don't know whether they are shown on TV in other countries. I watch the Cologne parade every year, from start to end, just to see what will be on their floats.

I get the feeling Europeans in general are more active in debating politics than here in the UK, I think its the class system probably as our political history, labour and conservative [and a few liberal democrats], stems from class divisions so to discuss politics with other people other than family or close friends is tricky and avoided most of the time. It would be good if we had floats like that, the closest example in my lifetime was the tv programme spitting image, which ridiculed every political figure of note.

 

[slotplayer]

Just read who made the poll. Plus, the top search results seem to be all right wing media. Cherry-picking poll results? Because only a part of them are actually favorable for Mr. T.

Plus doing this kind of poll exactly after Mr. T signed the EO to end family separation proves that the results can't be taken serious since an increase among Hispanics would be expected.

To have fair results would be a poll at the height of the separation chaos and then repeated after he signed the EO.

No cherry picking.
Those were the top Google results.

We'll know when the next polls are taken.

 

[slotplayer]

The fawning in 2009 cracks me up.

 

[mack341]

The fawning in 2009 cracks me up.

yes its the silly manipulation of identity politics, it serves no good to democracy to give somebody an easier or harder ride just because of their race.

 

[slotplayer]

The floats are something else and well done but way too ideological.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The floats are something else and well done but way too ideological.



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Great finds!

 

[Harry_BKK]

The fawning in 2009 cracks me up.

yes its the silly manipulation of identity politics, it serves no good to democracy to give somebody an easier or harder ride just because of their race.

It was "Obama hysteria" after he won the election. The world thought he's going to be the new Messiah. Which he turned out to be in part, but not as much as the hype was suggesting.

 

[slotplayer]

Great finds!

That was just a quick Google images search. They're well done. The cable media does not cover it here. The cable media here does not cover international news enough, just a few big events and they're like 1-3 minute segments.

Good coverage on the Thailand football team though. That was some rescue.

 

[slotplayer]

It was "Obama hysteria" after he won the election. The world thought he's going to be the new Messiah. Which he turned out to be in part, but not as much as the hype was suggesting.

Hard not to like Obama but they all want to "save the country". Then encounter the swamp called Washington DC with its thousands of lobbyists.

 

[Harry_BKK]

good I like to see even handedness. Is that Hollande, that's a funny one.

Yeah, it's Hollande. He was complaining heavily about the German trade surplus at the time.

 

[slotplayer]

That was some news conference in the UK. Trump would not take a question from CNN.

 

[Harry_BKK]

That was just a quick Google images search. They're well done. The cable media does not cover it here. The cable media here does not cover international news enough, just a few big events and they're like 1-3 minute segments.

Good coverage on the Thailand football team though. That was some rescue.

Indeed it was and one with a very lucky end, bar the death of the one Thai diver.

The boys got an invitation from the FIFA to attend this year's "The Best FIFA Football Awards" in September in London. That should lift their spirits and help them overcome the trauma.

 

[slotplayer]

Indeed it was and one with a very lucky end, bar the death of the one Thai diver.

The boys got an invitation from the FIFA to attend this year's "The Best FIFA Football Awards" in September in London. That should lift their spirits and help them overcome the trauma.

yes, sad about diver, I heard about the invite, thought it was great thing to do. gestures like that carry a lot of weight with the American people.

 

[Harry_BKK]

yes, sad about diver, I heard about the invite, though it was great thing to do. gestures like that carry a lot of weight with the American people.

I did my army time in an engineering corps, responsible for building pontoon bridges and clearing up mine fields. I remember one NATO exercise where we spent one night in a cave in pitch darkness as a tactical measure, we weren't even allowed to light up a fag. The experience was rather scary if I'm honest and it was just one night.

These boys spent 9 days like that before they were found. Bless them, they showed great resolve to survive the ordeal.

PS. Just to add a fun story to that NATO exercise. The next evening we were tasked to build a pontoon bridge across a smallish river, roughly 50m wide. I was driving a jeep with the commander, so rather a bystander but the next hours I turned into an emergency vehicle. Heavy rains during the night and the entire day had softened the ground and most of the trucks carrying the pontoon/boats just sank into the ground and quite a few overturned when they were trying to drive along an elevated dust road with no lights other than the marker headlamps.

At the end of the drama, there was just about enough pontoons and boats left to build the bridge. So off they went, boats in, first pontoons in until they discovered the water level was not high enough. The boats needed 1.2m and in some places it was below 1.0m. We had done a survey just 4 weeks earlier and the level was OK but since then due to dry weather it had fallen significantly. They struggled and struggled but had to give up at some point. By that time the convoy with tanks and armored vehicles that was supposed to use the bridge had arrived but we had to turn them away.

The next morning in daylight we saw then what damage all the "broohaha" had caused. Two farmers started crying when they arrived that morning as their fields had transformed into huge mud holes.

 

[mack341]

It was "Obama hysteria" after he won the election. The world thought he's going to be the new Messiah. Which he turned out to be in part, but not as much as the hype was suggesting.

Edit: sorry this post is late and out of place here, great news about the thai boys' rescue.

I forgot he won first time round in 2008, it seems years ago I remember all the hype on the radio and tv and I must admit, based on his speeches which got a lot of replay here, I thought the US would be getting the first president since kennedy to do things differently, but in reality he was bill clinton 2 [without the philandering]. And even gave Bill's wife the very important role of secretary of state in 2009.

It just goes to show how people [grown up mature adults, I saw a fair number of bald heads in that clip] can get caught up in a media created hysteria, the kinder view is I suppose they're just going out of their way to welcome obama and michelle and make them feel comfortable, it does contrast badly with the reception trump mostly receives. [I think many people do like his wife melania though] He won't be bothered really as long as millions of americans still love him.

 

[slotplayer]

Edit: sorry this post is late and out of place here, great news about the thai boys' rescue.

I forgot he won first time round in 2008, it seems years ago I remember all the hype on the radio and tv and I must admit, based on his speeches which got a lot of replay here, I thought the US would be getting the first president since kennedy to do things differently, but in reality he was bill clinton 2 [without the philandering]. And even gave Bill's wife the very important role of secretary of state in 2009.

It just goes to show how people [grown up mature adults, I saw a fair number of bald heads in that clip] can get caught up in a media created hysteria, the kinder view is I suppose they're just going out of their way to welcome obama and michelle and make them feel comfortable, it does contrast badly with the reception trump mostly receives. [I think many people do like his wife melania though] He won't be bothered really as long as millions of americans still love him.

Differently how?

 

[mack341]

Differently how?

Well you've only got to look at a still from the vid:

I haven't seen Trump get a reception like this outside of america, middle aged men crowding round trying to get his autograph or shake his hand. Trump is no angel but he has received a much harsher press from day one than any other US president I can think of, maybe though he is starting to turn the table a bit on the press, the orchestrated attacks are starting to lose momentum. people like to support the underdog and don't like to see their elected leader being bullied everyday, it starts to look unhinged.

It could be the calm before the storm and the press, perhaps with the help of the deep state, are busy preparing exposés and more stories against Trump for use in the near future during the next election process?

 

[mack341]

For my sins I have been watching bits of the peter strzoks hearing, some right dodgy characters in there, so partisan with people like nadler non stop interjecting the chairman.

 

[slotplayer]

For my sins I have been watching bits of the peter strzoks hearing, some right dodgy characters in there, so partisan with people like nadler non stop interjecting the chairman.

Well they loved Obama because he shared their ideology.
Those hearings are always partisan dog and pony shows. I'm not familiar with Nader but I think he's a Democrat.

Of course its all planned timing, the 12 Russian indictments just before the Trump/Putin meeting.

Yes, most likely they're waiting until the November mid-terms to release whatever they have.

 

[mack341]

Well they loved Obama because he shared their ideology.
Those hearings are always partisan dog and pony shows. I'm not familiar with Nader but I think he's a Democrat.

Of course its all planned timing, the 12 Russian indictments just before the Trump/Putin meeting.

Yes, most likely they're waiting until the November mid-terms to release whatever they have.

Bob Goodlatte was really getting fed up with jerrold nadler and the other democrats, his hands were almost shaking at one point, that kind of hearing would never go on here thank goodness. But then again our intelligence operatives are rarely brought in front of mp's to answer questions, only those at the top would go in front of a committee in a public hearing, so there is a lot to be said for the US open approach. But the obstruction tactics on display in that strzok hearing should not be allowed, in a court you wouldn't be allowed to repeatedly and rudely interrupt that much.

 

[slotplayer]

Bob Goodlatte was really getting fed up with jerrold nadler and the other democrats, his hands were almost shaking at one point, that kind of hearing would never go on here thank goodness. But then again our intelligence operatives are rarely brought in front of mp's to answer questions, only those at the top would go in front of a committee in a public hearing, so there is a lot to be said for the US open approach. But the obstruction tactics on display in that strzok hearing should not be allowed, in a court you wouldn't be allowed to repeatedly and rudely interrupt that much.

I don't think the lack of civility is usually that bad. It's a heated issue because Hillary was supposed to win and they hate Trump.

They had Zuckerberg in front of a committee a while back that was pretty calm.

I stopped following it long ago, it became too complicated.

 

[mack341]

yeah I've seen other hearings a lot more civil than that one. Here it was the democrats being uncivil, something they accuse trump of, they were trying to stop the chairman from putting a question to the FBI man as if he was a child and couldn't answer for himself. Mind boggling. The democrats came across as unhinged, what is their basic philosophy other than hatred of Trump?

It's the same here in the UK, the labour mp's come across like strident social workers or angry students, while some of the new conservative mp's seem to have no independent train of thought or any real decent principles, very much like disciples of Tony Blair.

 

[Steviedoo]

The dems are angry because had there been accusations and conclusions of Russians helping hilary win the presidency the republicans would have locked her up and impeached her months ago...but since it’s trump nothing sticks. They are still investigating her emails. Yet trump walks around with an iPhone that is not very secure. But that is ok.

The dems are not unhinged the media portrays them that way and all of us repeat it everywhere. Just like they portray trump in a certain way.

However the anger is real. Russians interfered in the election process and it is dismissed. And mr trump will go to Russia this week after we have indicted 14 Russians for basically waging cyber warfare and he will have a one on one meeting with putin. Can you imagine. No one around to record anything.

the republicans have put party over country and really don’t care what happens.

The lies trump repeats daily have become an international joke.

So yeah they are angry.

 

[mack341]

The dems are angry because had there been accusations and conclusions of Russians helping hilary win the presidency the republicans would have locked her up and impeached her months ago...but since it’s trump nothing sticks. They are still investigating her emails. Yet trump walks around with an iPhone that is not very secure. But that is ok.

The dems are not unhinged the media portrays them that way and all of us repeat it everywhere. Just like they portray trump in a certain way.

However the anger is real. Russians interfered in the election process and it is dismissed. And mr trump will go to Russia this week after we have indicted 14 Russians for basically waging cyber warfare and he will have a one on one meeting with putin. Can you imagine. No one around to record anything.

the republicans have put party over country and really don’t care what happens.

The lies trump repeats daily have become an international joke.

So yeah they are angry.

I think the chris steele golden showers dossier possibly damaged trump more than the russian adverts damaged hillary, and if nearly most of the mainstream american media were also against trump and for hillary doesn't that skew the election process in her favour too?

I can tell you are passionate about this issue and you are american and experience these things first hand, so I am not trying to say you are wrong and that I know more about your country than you do, I'm just giving a view.

 

[Steviedoo]

I think the chris steele golden showers dossier possibly damaged trump more than the russian adverts damaged hillary, and if nearly most of the mainstream american media were also against trump and for hillary doesn't that skew the election process in her favour too?

I can tell you are passionate about this issue and you are american and experience these things first hand, so I am not trying to say you are wrong and that I know more about your country than you do, I'm just giving a view.

You think the msm is against trump.
And helped Hilary.
That is totally absurd.

There is equal amounts of left and right in the media. All owned by corporations and they will spin it anyway they want. For and against Hilary and trump.

The media is out of hand.

I am passionate cuz I love the USA and I do not want it to become the international joke it’s becom8ng because of mr trump.

As for the Steele dossier...that barely put a dent. No one cares. Nothing sticks. And mr trump has managed to create such distrust for any media source except his own tweets.

He says one thing out loud to the press and then he will say differently on twitter. Why. Cuz no one listens to the news. They listen to him on twitter tho.

 

[mack341]

In the UK we have no term limit; Tony blair divided opinion to say the least, but because of die hard labour voters the country had to put up with him for 10 years, at least from your point of view Trump will be gone for good in 2-6 years at most. The next decade will be interesting and worrying to see where politics goes, we've got a lot of upheaval in the UK to go through.

 

[goatwack]

Tony Blair. He was popular wasn't he!

We had the mass protest marches back then too, of course it made no difference

Even with Social Media around it wouldn't have caused any alternative outcome. Bush and pals were determined to do as they please, how's that for democracy

So I'm afraid America's stuck with Trumpo for the foreseeable, barring failing health in his latter presidency it's not like Hillary's just going to take the reins,, she's in terrible shape herself.

But as they're stuck with him, surely better to rally behind him for the next 2-6 years, than critique how many Pepsis he consumes or his orange complexion. Counter- productivity or what