NoLimitCity doesn't seem to follow UKGC -laws (not sure if MGA has the same laws)

manttih

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@Halvor, as I said earlier, I'm not sure the same laws apply to MGA, but if someone could confirm this, it would be great!
PAF was just an example, as I couldn't find another place to play with demo mode (which should be the same as real version, as the laws state).
PAF is only one casino I play at, mostly I have played at MGA casinos (like today's session)

This is not just a rant - believe me, I have plenty of experience on these games.
 

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@Kroffe - at that point I for once would ask what is the law for then? I used the example of DOA, where scatters are practically ALWAYS just one reel position away from being in play. No one cares about a star-line missing by one, the scatters are then ones people get 'addicted' to :)

There is no law for symbols landing outside of the screen.

Trance, told you there was no rule, and you replied, Why Not?.

This thread is pointless.
 

manttih

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@Gaz237 or @trancemonkey do you know where I can get a confirmation on this (there is no rule for symbols landing outside of the screen)? As I said earlier, it isn't outside of the screen if you see eg. half of the symbol - do you disagree with this? say you get two scatters on Tombstone, you wait awhile and the wheel spins longer only to drop the last scatter below the 'in-play-area' - this happens WAY too often to be deemed 'natural position of the reel'. Shouldn't the law prevent such 'luring' ?

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I don't see why the thread is pointless. For one thing, it creates discussion - which is why discussion forums exist.
 

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@Halvor, as I said earlier, I'm not sure the same laws apply to MGA, but if someone could confirm this, it would be great!
PAF was just an example, as I couldn't find another place to play with demo mode (which should be the same as real version, as the laws state).
PAF is only one casino I play at, mostly I have played at MGA casinos (like today's session)

This is not just a rant - believe me, I have plenty of experience on these games.
Feel free to go through MGA's site, you will find their regulations just as easily as UKGC.

Despite your reassurance that you have plenty of experience with the games, Trance just so happen to work in the industry and so do I. And this is just a rant, your entire purpose of the thread seems to be proving some sort of wrong doing on the casino/providers end, and it just happens to coincide with a losing session.
 

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@Halvor - where do you work, MGA or a provider? Do you disagree what I have told? Either way, you should know the answer to my original question, yet you tried to dismiss me with a secondary argument first (casino)?
 

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@Gaz237 or @trancemonkey do you know where I can get a confirmation on this (there is no rule for symbols landing outside of the screen)? As I said earlier, it isn't outside of the screen if you see eg. half of the symbol - do you disagree with this? say you get two scatters on Tombstone, you wait awhile and the wheel spins longer only to drop the last scatter below the 'in-play-area' - this happens WAY too often to be deemed 'natural position of the reel'. Shouldn't the law prevent such 'luring' ?

**EDIT**

I don't see why the thread is pointless. For one thing, it creates discussion - which is why discussion forums exist.

How is it possible to confirm a rule that dose not exist?.

The only place it exists, is in your head.
 

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@Gaz237 - if the rules state:

S implementation guidance 7C
c. Games may not falsely display near-miss results, that is, the event may not substitute one losing outcome with a different losing outcome.


Where does it say 'there is no rule for symbols landing outside of the screen' - Do you claim the partly visible symbols are outside of screen?
 

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@Halvor - where do you work, MGA or a provider? Do you disagree what I have told? Either way, you should know the answer to my original question, yet you tried to dismiss me with a secondary argument first (casino)?
I work for a game provider, no I do not work for NLC and no I do not work with compliance so I can not definitely tell you whats stated in the regulations or not. And I most certainly will not go through the MGA page on your behalf, it's as easily accessible for you as it is for me. And my personal views on the matter is irrelevant for your accusations of wrong-doing.

You started this thread with referring to regulations that are in no way, shape or form applicable for the casino in question nor for you as a player not regulated by the UKGC. As you are the one claiming foul play the burden of proof also fall on you.
 

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@Gaz237 - if the rules state:

S implementation guidance 7C
c. Games may not falsely display near-miss results, that is, the event may not substitute one losing outcome with a different losing outcome.


Where does it say 'there is no rule for symbols landing outside of the screen' - Do you claim the partly visible symbols are outside of screen?

Yes they are out of the screen, matters not weather it's a scatter or any other symbol.

You just have a beef, because you have done your nutsack on Tombstone again.
 

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@Halvor - I will go trough the pages, no problem there . But you were the one saying you 'work in the industy', thus I thought you might know this :)

@Gaz237, emphasis on the word again . I will also contact UKGC to see their view on this - though I havent really played on their sites...

However, if what you have said is true. Practically it means you can have a game like this:

- 5 reels, each containing one Jackpot symbol, reels are partly visible up and down
- Jackpot is, say 1000 000e (for 5 jp-symbols)
- every spin spats the five jackpot symbols just outside of play, causing the player to punch trough the screen

if there isn't a law against this, one can think if this is moral or not (not a question, just a remark) - certainly not 'responsible gaming'.
 

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@Halvor - I will go trough the pages, no problem there . But you were the one saying you 'work in the industy', thus I thought you might know this :)
I can tell you this much, there's no mentioning of near misses for the MGA certification scope. Simply put it does not seem to be a test requirement.
 

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and so what if I do? Isn't that the whole point of discussion forums? If it wasn't for casinomeister, Bonanzas (still!) biggest win wouldn't have been reveiled as 'fraud'

Care to point me out where it was shown to be a fraud? Must have missed that......
 

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@interlog , the bonanza 14 000xbet on Bonanza thread? I was under the impression it was uploaded by BTG themselves (which is why everyone jokes about the junior assistant :) )

(also, note the quotation marks around 'fraud' as I couldn't find a better term for this)
 

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@interlog , the bonanza 14 000xbet on Bonanza thread? I was under the impression it was uploaded by BTG themselves (which is why everyone jokes about the junior assistant :) )

Nope, not the case at all...... that incident you describe refers to a member of their staff posting a big win screenshot on another one of their releases - Dragon Born - in a competition topic here. That was years ago by the way.
 

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@Gaz237, emphasis on the word again . I will also contact UKGC to see their view on this - though I havent really played on their sites...

However, if what you have said is true. Practically it means you can have a game like this:

- 5 reels, each containing one Jackpot symbol, reels are partly visible up and down
- Jackpot is, say 1000 000e (for 5 jp-symbols)
- every spin spats the five jackpot symbols just outside of play, causing the player to punch trough the screen

if there isn't a law against this, one can think if this is moral or not (not a question, just a remark) - certainly not 'responsible gaming'.
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But they don't land every spin, so that blows your theory out the window.
 

manttih

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@Gaz237, no they don't . But if it doesn't matter whats outside of play, then it could be done like this :)
You can test Tombstone yourself - just watch outside of play when you get 1-2 scatters (or badges for that matter). They are visible WAY too often to be natural (practically 90% of the time),

I tried to find UKGC casino where I could test Tombstone on demo play (it seems to be available in quite a lot of them). So, if the game is not different on UKGC and MGA casinos, I'll contact UKGC for their input on the matter. Also would be nice to hear @NolimitCity - Pelle 's opinion on the matter.
 

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To be fair, Nick from BTG did state a while back that it is against the technical standards to have symbols constantly drop 'one off' a win. It was when we were discussing the HTML5 conversion of Dead or Alive, as it would constantly show scatters one above the pay window, he said he didn't know how they managed to get away with it, but they certainly wouldn't be allowed to do it on their games.
 

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Not a clue if what is happening s against the law.

I don't have the time at the minute to look into it, I've been round the in-laws and my brain is fried.

Fair enough for someone to raise a point like it has been for open discussion. Not every question needs to be defended so brutally or shot down in flames.

Please don't go changing No Limit City though. Most of my fun has been on their slots.

Been an interesting read, pass the popcorn :)
 

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As much as i think slots should adhere to the rules and regulations of the governing bodies who control them, i wonder how much experience playing slots some people in this thread actually have.
I have never played a slot that doesn't do this, from shoving all my pocket money into awp's at 5 years old to the present day.
While I admit if the near misses occur every other spin it gets ridiculous, I think that without near misses at all then immersion in a slot will almost certainly be lost.
 
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