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Your Input Please NetEnt slot Reel Steel "rigged"?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by FavoPlayer, May 26, 2016.

    May 26, 2016
  1. FavoPlayer

    FavoPlayer Webby webby

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    Hi all!

    This is just my personal opinion.

    I had played this slot in Rizk casino and here are some information on my game play.

    One day session:
    Deposits: EUR 9.450
    "Wheel of Rizk" bonuses and free spins wins: EUR ~ 250
    Rizk bonus: EUR 150
    Rounds: 6.331
    Total bets: EUR 44.941,01
    Total wins: EUR 35.089,20

    Total lost: EUR 9.851,81
    RTP: 78,08%

    After this session I'm continued to play on this slot in others days and deposited another EUR 575 + 50 Rizk deposit bonus. I'm not remember already how much was from "Wheel of Rizk", but all winnings from "Wheel of Rizk" was also lost on this slot. I don't have RTP on this sessions.

    So now only in Rizk casino I had lost on this slot more than 10.000 Euros.

    I'm playing in online casinos for more than 10 years already and I know that you can't win all the time. Even if I had bad session, anyway slots always give back, but this time something unbelievable happens.

    I don't know now, maybe for someone of you this regular play, but for me defiantly not.

    Would like to hear your opinion guys.

    Thank you!
     
  2. May 26, 2016
  3. Nate

    Nate Casinomeister Advisory Group CAG webmeister

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    Not rigged no - The variance and payouts are bunched...

    I have lost more than I have won on that slot and its extremely, extremely difficult to hit a bloody nice paying combo in the base game or Free Spins.

    What i have noticed and how i made the odd cashout on it was when it gave regular hits in the base game, I continued to increase my bets for 20 or so spins. If that didn't pan out, i left.

    I have noticed that the wins are very bunched close together and the dead spins are suicidal on higher bets. It can take you for 30 - 50x bet without batting an eyelid. For all the time I have played that slot - I am still waiting for a hit bigger than 200x.

    What was your best hit?

    Nate
     
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  4. May 26, 2016
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I think we all know this is a very high variance slot (a very close "copy" of Microgaming's Break Da Bank Again), so pretty diabolical sessions should really be expected.

    Tell me, if you had hit a really big win early on and got an RTP of 500%, would you have still come here and started a thread with "rigged?" in the title?

    My only other comment is: €10K on one slot in one day!!! :eek:
    I'm glad I'm still a relatively low-roller who quits a slot if I lose a couple of €100...

    KK
     
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  6. May 26, 2016
  7. theapple

    theapple IR hates apples

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    78% rtp over 6,300 spins is low, but nothing unusual for this monster.

    Its not rigged, but its probably one of the most violatile slots in existance though. And it really is cyclical, it either pays (and pays a lot) or eats through 500x your bet in no time. There really is no in between with this one.

    On top of it, like 95% of FS rounds on this one are uber crap too, which just adds to already super high variance. Ive had sessions with 5-10 free spin rounds in first mins, but what happens more often is there are no fs rounds at all for a long spell, and once you finally get a few, they tend to be very crap. Its, imo one of the worst slots to chase your losses at and id rate it way above either DoA, Rhyno or even Bdba when it comes to variance, even if its supposed to be netent version of BDBA.

    Even if you do hit a freak big hit during your low RTP session, most of the time its also one of just a few hits you will see so its really not worth chasing, or highrolling at (especially considering you can hit really big even on low...ish bets on this one). I know slots are supposed to be random, but i have been playing this one since i was like 6 years old :D so its just my own observation, feel free to disregard it of course :)

    Ive had several 1000x + hits on this one, and i believe im still behind on Reel steal. Its one of those slots where you really should stick with hit and run tactic, because if its dead, its dead for good and no free spins round can save your session.
     
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  8. May 26, 2016
  9. FavoPlayer

    FavoPlayer Webby webby

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    Thanks for reply, Nate!

    The best hit @ Rizk casino was:
    x2.101 @ EUR 0.9 = EUR 1891,10

    While on EUR 9 bets biggest hit was:
    x309 @ EUR 9 = EUR 2.786

    My biggest bet size on this slot was EUR 13.50, but maybe few bets was even bigger. Not remember now already. But mostly I was playing at EUR 9 bet.

    Yes, the bigger bet was playing, the less x win I was getting.

    Just for example, I had played on this slot in other casino and in one session I had lost EUR 700, but on next session I won EUR 500. So I at least slot gave back something. But this situation completely different, because slot just "eating" money and don't give back.


     
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  10. May 26, 2016
  11. Nate

    Nate Casinomeister Advisory Group CAG webmeister

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    I have never even reached the 300x mark - But then again, I don't play it as often as DOA.

    I don't think betsize matters mate - I accidentally hit spin while changing my bet size and triggered the FS on 22.5 Euro... I meant to spin on 4.5 or something. I have also triggered FS on as high a $45 a spin but a nice big hit eludes me.

    I think that you should try and run if you don't get something decent in the first 100 spins, come back and try again later. Sometimes DOA and RS can be bastards IF you decide to chase.

    In any event 78% is still OK - I have had bigger losses than 10k with lower RTP's than that on CFTBL and TwinShit. That doesn't mean that your session was OK though :)

    Nate
     
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  12. May 26, 2016
  13. FavoPlayer

    FavoPlayer Webby webby

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    Thank you for your reply, KK!

    Yes, I had won earlier on DOA slot. But comparing DOA and Reel Steel, on DOA I had more wins and was more lucky even after many many bad sessions.

     
  14. May 26, 2016
  15. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

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    very dirty filthy slot
     
  16. May 26, 2016
  17. FavoPlayer

    FavoPlayer Webby webby

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    Just an update regarding this thread.

    I had conversation with Captain Rizk and for transparency of this thread I asked him to provide my lifetime RTP on Reel Steel slot. Because on Rizk casino I had not only bad sessions, but win sessions too.

    Thank you Captain Rizk for your help!

    P.S. I'm not blaming Rizk casino in anyway! This thread about Reel Steel slot only.
     
    Last edited: May 26, 2016
  18. May 26, 2016
  19. Captain Rizk

    Captain Rizk Accredited Casino Representative

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    We will try to get this info for you but i can tell you now that it will not make a significant difference to the RTP that you have already posted on this thread. You have only a few thousand spins which is a very small number compared to the multi millions of spins that a slot RTP is calculated over.

    As you point out, you did have some good wins on DoA and if we checked the RTP for that slot - lets just say that you have 10,000 spins and on those 10k spins your RTP is 175% - then is there a problem with that game then in favour of the payer?

    The answer is categorically not, which is why we pay wins out without hesitation because we know, understand and accept that short term wins and losses are the norm.
     
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  20. May 26, 2016
  21. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    Feeling very lucky about my 5 pink ladies in free spins right now! As for Reel Steel in general it is best avoided and if you do decide to play it....play more cautiously than you would play any other game. It is extremely brutal! Almost to the point I'd recommend don't bet more than 0.5% of your gaming bankroll per spin seriously!!
     
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  22. May 26, 2016
  23. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Played the game only once (it's in one of my videos) and got 5 yellow safes + wild in FS made about 270x IIRC and left it. So my lifetime RTP on the bastard Reel Steal is about 800%....:D
     
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