NetEnt Open Questions

[goatwack]

I think the Netent rep is straining under the weight of our magnificent answers.

After the extended weekend break, I think he took our feedback to Netent HQ, where they took one look and arranged for him to 'take a little ride'......

 

[colinsunderland]

I find this a very interesting comment and after looking to the quoted messages and answers from Net ENt, which I did quickly (shall do it again) I couldnt see your comment was answered.

We do have more and more customer complains regarding the same issue. When I try to reproduce, I cant seem to experience the same issue as our customers describe.

I'll chime in here a bit

I have a very old (10 years+) dual core pc that I cannot even load many Netent games on. Guns'N'Roses for example, when VS's used to have it as the 6.15 Sunday battle, I did a test to see how slow it actually was on that PC, from the start of the battle at 6.15 to it ending at 7.45, I managed to play 14 spins. It took over 30 minutes to load the game before actually having one spin. The same can be said for most Netent new releases from the last couple of years. I also have an i3, 16GB RAM, that struggles with most, at best it works but very slow. My 5th Gen i5 with 16GB RAM copes ok, but still not fast as such, I've tried a couple on an i7 with 32GB RAM and they play MUCH better.

@burgstrom as much as I know you have to make your games 'pretty' do you really need a resource hugging movie at the start (which I'll bet no one watches) and can you not at least put a lower quality version available for those who haven't just spent £2k on a gaming rig to be able to play slots? You don't see Netflix ONLY offering 4k content as they would lose 80% of customers overnight, the quality is auto adjusted as to the connection speed and the processing power of the device you are watching it on, can you not do similar, or at least have a checkbox to select Quality: Low, Medium, High?

I'm not really going to comment on the games themselves, I like your older stuff, newer stuff in my opinion is not anywhere close to what I like playing. Playing for hours and getting a max 50x win just doesn't do it for me, but do understand it does for others. For reference the last game I enjoyed from you was Jungle Spirit but I don't even play that any more as it seems like you go months without a bonus now, thats another thing that happens, new game comes out, pays ok, 2-3 months later, totally different game. I'm not talking about winning all the time, but at least getting a decent gameplay session out of a slot would be nice.

One more thing I'll comment on, what is the point in having the 'Don't show this again' checkbox at the start of every game, when it NEVER works on any game and never has?

Sorry I know its negative but you asked for feedback and I've tried to give feedback that I think will apply to most people rather than just me personally (apart from the payouts bit)

 

[lockinlove]

Im confused to netents decision to pull out of Canada. It doesnt make sense and it should be easy to return. Do you see all these other slot providers pulling out, no. We cant play novomatics here because they have a deal in place with the land based casinos. You do not.

Has any of the other providers here gotten in trouble? Not even a little bit. Its not against the law here and there has never been a case where a software provider has ever been threatened or gotten in trouble. So whoever is in charge of these decisions must be some sort of drama queen that pulled them out of our country for absolutely no reason. So not sure you why you like to lose business to an entire country for basically no reason at all. But I think its time someone walked into netent office and told them to get a grip lol

Thanks for being here by the way.

 

[shaltar]

Im confused to netents decision to pull out of Canada. It doesnt make sense and it should be easy to return. Do you see all these other slot providers pulling out, no. We cant play novomatics here because they have a deal in place with the land based casinos. You do not.

Has any of the other providers here gotten in trouble? Not even a little bit. Its not against the law here and there has never been a case where a software provider has ever been threatened or gotten in trouble. So whoever is in charge of these decisions must be some sort of drama queen that pulled them out of our country for absolutely no reason. So not sure you why you like to lose business to an entire country for basically no reason at all. But I think its time someone walked into netent office and told them to get a grip lol

Thanks for being here by the way.

I'm not 100% sure about it but the main raison why I think they pulled out was that they sign a deal with BCLC (The British Columbia Online Casino) I guess in the conditions there was a ''don't allow Canadian to play elsewhere than here '' or something... Take for exemple IGT or WMS that we're able to play on our Governement Casino in Quebec Province but nowhere else. Recently lots of Casino have pulled out NextGen provider slots from Canada. 2 weeks ago the first NextGen slot ( Gorilla go Wild ) appered on the Governement Online Casino.

 

[slotmaster]

Im confused to netents decision to pull out of Canada. It doesnt make sense and it should be easy to return. Do you see all these other slot providers pulling out, no. We cant play novomatics here because they have a deal in place with the land based casinos. You do not.

Has any of the other providers here gotten in trouble? Not even a little bit. Its not against the law here and there has never been a case where a software provider has ever been threatened or gotten in trouble. So whoever is in charge of these decisions must be some sort of drama queen that pulled them out of our country for absolutely no reason. So not sure you why you like to lose business to an entire country for basically no reason at all. But I think its time someone walked into netent office and told them to get a grip lol

Thanks for being here by the way.

Amen!

 

[syntynyt]

@notent keep it up whatever you're doing, to press start and see the balance approaching zero with no chance of recovery let alone winning you call it BETTER GAMING. funny that you ask the players in a desperate manner rather than asking your beloved friends with which you sided for years, the casinos which greatly benefited from the crap you release, which games are the most played nowadays then work yourself out from there as what the players wants. your s.o.s. call here is embarrassing. rebrand yourself, do mobile apps, videogames targeted at 3+ considering the graphics, anything but dealing directly with money. i said it before, your pay-per-view nice graphics games are a fraud so you need to fail. fingers crossed.

 

[Steviedoo]

@notent keep it up whatever you're doing, to press start and see the balance approaching zero with no chance of recovery let alone winning you call it BETTER GAMING. funny that you ask the players in a desperate manner rather than asking your beloved friends with which you sided for years, the casinos which greatly benefited from the crap you release, which games are the most played nowadays then work yourself out from there as what the players wants. your s.o.s. call here is embarrassing. rebrand yourself, do mobile apps, videogames targeted at 3+ considering the graphics, anything but dealing directly with money. i said it before, your pay-per-view nice graphics games are a fraud so you need to fail. fingers crossed.

Wow.
A bit harsh.

And some of you were complaining about scaring the reps away on the dangate thread. Jis saying.

There is nothing constructive in your feedback here. Actually it’s not feedback it’s just word vomit.

 

[Steviedoo]

Im confused to netents decision to pull out of Canada. It doesnt make sense and it should be easy to return. Do you see all these other slot providers pulling out, no. We cant play novomatics here because they have a deal in place with the land based casinos. You do not.

Has any of the other providers here gotten in trouble? Not even a little bit. Its not against the law here and there has never been a case where a software provider has ever been threatened or gotten in trouble. So whoever is in charge of these decisions must be some sort of drama queen that pulled them out of our country for absolutely no reason. So not sure you why you like to lose business to an entire country for basically no reason at all. But I think its time someone walked into netent office and told them to get a grip lol

Thanks for being here by the way.

Word.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@burgstrom

The following are my personal opinions based on the reviews / gameplay of Netent games. I see many CM members have already raised most issues, hence, I'll try to add a few.

1. First, man, would I miss DoA... that for me is to this day your absolute hit slot. Simple and so full of suspense at the same time. Your commercial numbers might say different things though.
2. Please work on a sequel to DoA, a good one at that. Don't do another Cluster Pays or any other hybrid. Swipe&Roll is a good example how you can transfer the good ol' reel slots into the 21st century.
3. You misssed a huge opportunity to design a head-turning Twin Spin sequel. Those tepid graphics and the rather insurmountable challenge to hit a big win on Twin Spin Deluxe saw that slot disappearing instantly from the front pages at the casinos. Tip: for some inspiration spin yourselves or ask your designers to do so on Rainbow Ryan a few times.
4. Double Stacks - really? Just finished the review and it isn't very positive. Yet another Starburst/Twin Spin Deluxe slot where the full screen of top symbols will never be seen. At least you cranked up the max win to 1,000x bet.
5. In four years of playing Netent games extensively, I have at the rarest of occasions been able to recover to my starting balance after losing more than 150x my bet. Doomed every time. It get's very difficult even at losses of just 100x bet. The funny part is that on most sessions where I would get ahead straight away, it would keep me ahead for a long time. How can your math model be so skewed? I leave now Netent slots latest at a max. loss of 150x my average bet because it is pointless to chase the losses. The potential just does not seem to be there like on slots from other providers.
6. Jumanji is a good example of a well-made and entertaining slot. Plenty of features, crisp animations etc. all good. But, 36 paylines on a 3-4-5-4-3 grid? Who thought that would be a good idea? And then the win potential gives it the final blow. 504x bet is not something to shout about. The slot is probably popular with recreational players, fans of the movie etc but I can't see it being played a lot by avid slotters. I know I haven't after doing the review.
7. General Netent math model: why are pretty much all your slots going like: no win - no win - no win (repeat 10 - 20 times) - small win but not covering the bet - no win - no win - small win but not covering the bet - no win - no win - no win - finally a win that pays at least the bet - no win - no win (repeat 10 - 20 times) - finally a bigger win, maybe 5x to 10x bet - then almost guaranteed minimum 10 dead spins in a row. There is so rarely some sort of streak of bigger wins (exceeding the stake size). Generally, any big wins are wiped out first before there might be another good hit.
8. Archangels Salvation - what a wasted potential. You finally tried to be creative with an unusual reel format and blew it completely. Plus the 375x max win in a single spin is for babies but not serious slot players.
9. Asgardian Stones - good concept and could have been a second Gonzo's Quest. Hitting finally that bonus wheel and getting then some meager coin wins blows the whole potential of the slot.
10. Pointless animations: Why on earth is a wild expanding on reel 5 when there is no win on the spin (just a general example)? Or on Double Stacks, every symbol has its own sound when it lands in full stacks to then double the symbols. So on a spin with three different full stacks it goes like "ding, dong, dang" and there is simply now win. And that happens rather annoyingly often. Plus all double stacks have animations before the spin stops to actually reveal if there is a win. Do animations but keep them mostly for the events where the spin actually produces a win.

Final words: your games are overall not bad but IMO you went too far towards "family entertainment". Understandable, but then even your HV games like Jungle Spirit or Warlords are not getting the credit they deserve because hardly any serious slot player will try them too often because they have the "family entertainment" verdict in their heads.

E.g. I can chuck 50 bucks into many of your latest slots, put it on autoplay with minimum bet and just see how the balance disappears with lots of "bruhaha entertainment" in between. There is just no feeling that I choose to play the slot to win big or even just score considerably big wins.

 

[TheAddict]

Harry just got it spot on, and thats coming from someone who only plays nett ent slots - with a bit of book of dead thrown in for balance. My play from netent only ever consists of DOA, piggy R, reel steal and on the very rare occasion jungle spirit, warlords, twin spin or jatb.
Have not spent £0.01 on any of the other releases unless it was forced wagering from free bonuses etc. Already seen and heard enough.

 

[CasinoNinja]

One thing you DO well, is the interface. You got the best bet system on the market very customisable that no other provider can match and you got a volume slider! I really do miss that feature from other providers where the sound is either off or on.. not anything in between unless you want to fiddle with the volume mixer on your computer..

 

[The Dude]

@notent keep it up whatever you're doing, to press start and see the balance approaching zero with no chance of recovery let alone winning you call it BETTER GAMING. funny that you ask the players in a desperate manner rather than asking your beloved friends with which you sided for years, the casinos which greatly benefited from the crap you release, which games are the most played nowadays then work yourself out from there as what the players wants. your s.o.s. call here is embarrassing. rebrand yourself, do mobile apps, videogames targeted at 3+ considering the graphics, anything but dealing directly with money. i said it before, your pay-per-view nice graphics games are a fraud so you need to fail. fingers crossed.

WTF? Good way to chase away someone who is contributing to the forum and to the player community overall by making himself open to questions and suggestions. If you can't be respectful towards your fellow members, then there are other forums that welcome that sort of behavior. This forum is not one of them.

You have received several warnings about troll posts. Consider this warning your last.

 

[gambyx7]

To be honest, I think Netent was one of the most exciting developers with excellent sound, graphics and ideas, but with strange variance and payouts.

Some of your last editions like Fairytale legends Mirror, Finn and Swirly spin, Lost Relics are so cruel, very easily you can start session 30 dead spins.

The Motorhead slot session was one of the most brutal experiences I ever had, balance killer.

Twin Spin - please make version where you can get all symbols full screen and not just card symbols, you could even introduce free spins rounds with triple spins as default. Put the wild on the first reel too.

Don't make cluster slots, make megaways.

In some games you have very strange pay lines (Steamtower, Driver multiplie...), I dont undrstand why many Netent slots don't have "climbing steps" lines.

As many said, overall jackpot of your games is quite low, but the base game is very tough. I mostly play MG slots and and many of them have at least 3000-4000x max pay.

 

[dunover]

To be honest, I think Netent was one of the most exciting developers with excellent sound, graphics and ideas, but with strange variance and payouts.

Some of your last editions like Fairytale legends Mirror, Finn and Swirly spin, Lost Relics are so cruel, very easily you can start session 30 dead spins.

The Motorhead slot session was one of the most brutal experiences I ever had, balance killer.

Twin Spin - please make version where you can get all symbols full screen and not just card symbols, you could even introduce free spins rounds with triple spins as default. Put the wild on the first reel too.

Don't make cluster slots, make megaways.

In some games you have very strange pay lines (Steamtower, Driver multiplie...), I dont undrstand why many Netent slots don't have "climbing steps" lines.

As many said, overall jackpot of your games is quite low, but the base game is very tough. I mostly play MG slots and and many of them have at least 3000-4000x max pay.

Unfortunately that would be unworkable as all that extra big-win potential would need paying for elsewhere. It could only work by significantly reducing win frequency and symbol pays, if not it would give more dead spins than Jungle Spirit and be unplayable. There's only so many ways you can juggle or distribute a 96.5% RTP. Given that full-screen wins only occur in 4-reel (rarely) and 5-reel join-ups you'd have to remove a significant portion of base game RTP over to the rare 5-reel joins and this would make the game colossally bad in standard spins without join-ups. I'm sure there IS a way they could do it though, like BTG have done with Bonanza and Netent themselves have done with Dead On Arrival whereby the base game pays at over 70% to make it sustainable.

P.S. I have met Netent a few times at various exhibitions and they are aware of my opinions and views on my new slot videos and did shake their heads when mentioning 'Netent Variance' - apparently that's a myth. To that end I think the guy here has been made aware of me and been told to avoid me, so I'll just chip in when the other forum members mention something which I would have done, such as Harry's excellent post above.

 

[goatwack]

I don't think we should ever have a sequel to DOA, that's crazy talk

That's like having a sequel to the Mona Lisa

 

[colinsunderland]

Another quick question, and not specifically aimed at NetEnt, but you might know the answer, why do games producers never sue each other for blatant copyright stuff. Like when one provider just clones another game, especially when it uses even the same type of symbol?

 

[goatwack]

Another quick question, and not specifically aimed at NetEnt, but you might know the answer, why do games producers never sue each other for blatant copyright stuff. Like when one provider just clones another game, especially when it uses even the same type of symbol?

It's probably hard to prove in court who saw dolphins first

 

[Gaz237]

@notent keep it up whatever you're doing, to press start and see the balance approaching zero with no chance of recovery let alone winning you call it BETTER GAMING. funny that you ask the players in a desperate manner rather than asking your beloved friends with which you sided for years, the casinos which greatly benefited from the crap you release, which games are the most played nowadays then work yourself out from there as what the players wants. your s.o.s. call here is embarrassing. rebrand yourself, do mobile apps, videogames targeted at 3+ considering the graphics, anything but dealing directly with money. i said it before, your pay-per-view nice graphics games are a fraud so you need to fail. fingers crossed.

Surely this post should be removed.

It's nothing but a tirade of abuse.

I'm sure the Netent rep has no desire to read it

 

[Reelsoffun]

Another quick question, and not specifically aimed at NetEnt, but you might know the answer, why do games producers never sue each other for blatant copyright stuff. Like when one provider just clones another game, especially when it uses even the same type of symbol?

Because they all do it to some extent, so unless there is a clear breach of copyright / trade mark / patent etc that can be easily proved and assessed for damages its too costly to pursue.

 

[gambyx7]

Unfortunately that would be unworkable as all that extra big-win potential would need paying for elsewhere.

I understand, but maybe it is time for Netent to make their version of IR, some kind of slot(s) which would make them and players happy.

MG has plenty 243 slots with full screen wilds potential which is well over Twin Spin diamond value. And even if this is problem, they should change paytable, all premiums should be double cut (diamonds = 500, sevens = 250, bars = 200, bells and cherries =125), and other symbols should remain the same. Max win would be 4860x. Make it variance behave like IR and that's it.

If Netent wants more earnings, they have to give more to the players.

 

[colinsunderland]

Because they all do it to some extent, so unless there is a clear breach of copyright / trade mark / patent etc that can be easily proved and assessed for damages its too costly to pursue.

I would have thought with stuff like Book of Ra/Dead and all the other Book clones that wouldn't be too hard to prove. It might be slightly harder with stuff like Magic Mirror, but come on, 3 books to trigger a feature on them all, the developers could have at least changed it to three newspapers or something lol.

 

[brickharbor]

Quality over quantity comes to mind with NetEnt. There's far too much crap being reskinned with terrible pay tables. Bring back the ability to change how many lines you want use. Focus on a few games with similar math to DOA for the actual 'slot players' out there, instead of churning out the same game after game for the 'family friendly' audience.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I would have thought with stuff like Book of Ra/Dead and all the other Book clones that wouldn't be too hard to prove. It might be slightly harder with stuff like Magic Mirror, but come on, 3 books to trigger a feature on them all, the developers could have at least changed it to three newspapers or something lol.

But did they copyright it? im guessing no, so nothing for another provider to answer to, it would be too costly to "protect" every slot feature idea / method so only the really big ideas normally get to the point where they apply for a trade mark or patent etc. Prime example would be MEGAWAYS (TM)

I do understand what you mean but its mostly why they don't bother and mostly all copy each others feature ideas. Which is nice for us, as a lot of time the clones are improved on, from the original idea.

 

[colinsunderland]

But did they copyright it? im guessing no, so nothing for another provider to answer to, it would be too costly to "protect" every slot feature idea / method so only the really big ideas normally get to the point where they apply for a trade mark or patent etc. Prime example would be MEGAWAYS (TM)

I do understand what you mean but its mostly why they don't bother and mostly all copy each others feature ideas. Which is nice for us, as a lot of time the clones are improved on, from the original idea.

You don't need to 'copyright' anything really, it just is

 

[dunover]

Genesis Gaming and RTG both have near-copies of Thunderstruck 2 with Olympus and Asgard respectively.
Approx 30 developers have copies of St*rb*rst and Book Of Ra Deluxe
Around 20 have versions of Thunderhorn/Buffalo the predecessor to the Rapist but a 243-way version.

Nobody seems to have copied Dead On Arrival but there are a few Twin Spin copies out there, plus numerous games based on Cleopatra but not only with 20 lines like the original, also 10,15,25 and 30 for different variance.

There are also several games very similar to the IGT 720way ones such as Siberian Storm, Hexbreaker 2 and Sumatran Storm.

The various ingredients i.e. multiways, stacked wilds, increasing multipliers, scatter pays in FS, 2x3x Wilds in FS, sticky wilds and respin expanding wilds and cluster pays are all out there and possibly considered generic by now. The ingredients are all there, it depends on how developers mix and match them as to how good a game is. IGT originally patented the cascading symbols idea seen on Da Vinci Diamonds. If you look at BTG's patenting of 'Megaways TM' it is just that - the USP is the fact the reels vary in rows each spin to create anything between 324-177649 ways, not cascading symbols or multiway pays or increasing FS multiplier as those are all old hat! It's worth patenting because it's a very complex maths model and must have been a complete bastard to get right and audit for compliance so they are protecting their work which is entirely logical.

 

[slotmaster]

Dunover knows his stuff! What a great post.

 

[gambyx7]

but there are a few Twin Spin copies out there....

Pure copy (or clone) is Fantasini Master of Mystery (never saw you playing it). Clone reels (or join-ups) are featured in Queen of Riches (BTG) and in some way in Nextgen's Medusa 2. Queen of Riches is something what Twin Spin Deluxe should be....(in my opinion and I think many others).

But I don't know for other copies...

 

[VismundCygnus]

Genesis Gaming and RTG both have near-copies of Thunderstruck 2 with Olympus and Asgard respectively.
Approx 30 developers have copies of St*rb*rst and Book Of Ra Deluxe
Around 20 have versions of Thunderhorn/Buffalo the predecessor to the Rapist but a 243-way version.

Nobody seems to have copied Dead On Arrival but there are a few Twin Spin copies out there, plus numerous games based on Cleopatra but not only with 20 lines like the original, also 10,15,25 and 30 for different variance.

There are also several games very similar to the IGT 720way ones such as Siberian Storm, Hexbreaker 2 and Sumatran Storm.

The various ingredients i.e. multiways, stacked wilds, increasing multipliers, scatter pays in FS, 2x3x Wilds in FS, sticky wilds and respin expanding wilds and cluster pays are all out there and possibly considered generic by now. The ingredients are all there, it depends on how developers mix and match them as to how good a game is. IGT originally patented the cascading symbols idea seen on Da Vinci Diamonds. If you look at BTG's patenting of 'Megaways TM' it is just that - the USP is the fact the reels vary in rows each spin to create anything between 324-177649 ways, not cascading symbols or multiway pays or increasing FS multiplier as those are all old hat! It's worth patenting because it's a very complex maths model and must have been a complete bastard to get right and audit for compliance so they are protecting their work which is entirely logical.

I heard someone say the actual math model and the word "megaways" is the only thing that isnt completely legal to copy. It makes sense as megaways after all is just 177649 ways with some blanks thrown in, where a blank space will be "overlaid" by a larger symbol.

 

[dunover]

I heard someone say the actual math model and the word "megaways" is the only thing that isnt completely legal to copy. It makes sense as megaways after all is just 177649 ways with some blanks thrown in, where a blank space will be "overlaid" by a larger symbol.

That's one way of looking at it but to me it doesn't look like there are invisible 'blanks' but simply 2-7 positions of a very large reel visible - this I suggest because you occasionally get say 5-high 9's on reel 1 which creates a win and then see a further 5x9's drop down which suggests the reels have stacks of even 10 or 11 of the lower icons. Also when you see the full-ways spin of 6x7 reels some will cascade a few times so you have revealed up to 15-20 positions in one spin so I am not sure it would easier to use blanks although it is indeed possible. Do you know this for a fact? When you get repeat cascades on 'small' grids i.e. 2-3-3-3-3-2 the symbols do run as they would with more rows in view, so effectively you are saying where a block of 7 queens would occur on a FULL reel when it's just 2-rows and you had a king underneath, that the single queen on the top row would 'use' 6 queens up in reel icons, so the next one to drop down would be the last queen of the block of 7?

 

[goatwack]

I have an excellent question to pose:

Where has the rep gone?

 

[paul7388]

I have an excellent question to pose:

Where has the rep gone?

He saw the Dan thread and went f*** this

 

[pinnit2014]

He’s gone to implement all the suggestions. Or wind up the company because it looks like too much hassle.

 

[toph11]

i'm from canada and i would love it if netent was available here
i would probably spend a month chasing the full screen tiger from jungle spirit

i've chased mega wins from microgaming slots but was only successful on GoT, mystic dreams and tfrol
i've had close to max win on all 3

 

[burgstrom]

Hey Guys, Apologies for delay in responses, hectic times! I'll be responding to more of your questions and thoughts tonight!

 

[BrianGhattas]

@dunover

Why do you always spell Starburst like it’s a dirty word? Just asking.

 

[gambyx7]

Hey Guys, Apologies for delay in responses, hectic times! I'll be responding to more of your questions and thoughts tonight!

If possible, try to play new Bollywood slot. Variance is for crying out loud, new slots are impossible to longroll. The hole of losing is only increasing, there are no recovery during base game. In 1000 spins I had 2 free spins rounds!!! I know it is high variance slot (10000x jackpot) but that should not be excuse for such behaving. Some other slots (mostly though from other developers) have even bigger jackpot, but they are much more player friendly.

 

[burgstrom]

But what % of the RTP is made up by wins of 1000x or greater? That's what matters to players.

Thanks Zap. I can't really answer that precisely as the walls have eyes, but its good enough IMHO.

Does everyone feel this way? 1000x + is what really matters? Or are you more than happy ending a session on a few wins somewhere 300x-500x's ?

 

[slotmaster]

Sounds like you need an assistant. I am for hire. I am on here every day anyway.

 

[burgstrom]

WoW great to see a Netent Rep popping up.. Welcome!!

Thanks!

I might have a few questions in the coming days..
Will most certainly post them here..

Please do! Thank you in advance.

That said I used to hate Netent in my early online gambling career,some members can confirm this as I was always giving out about the slots.

Over the years when I got more experienced I really started to like and appreciate Netent much better.

I'm really interested in this point. What happened? What changed in your appraisal of our games? Was it the older titles vs the "newer" titles? Or was it a change in tastes once your needs became more sophisticated as a player?


I play them now on every session and my faveNetent slots for now would be:

Steamtower
Wolfcub
Secret of the Stones
Wild Wild West
Fairytale Legends (All 3 of them) Had already some sweet hits on Mirror Mirror.
Nrvana (love the mellow music in it)
Jackpot 6000 because it has a very decent chance of hitting that 600x stake.
Drive Multiplier Mayhem

Anything about these games you'd want to call out in terms of why you like them? (total fan of JP6000 myself!)

Koi Princess , what happened after the update, the slot runs terrible terrible, very gimpy reels now too. Used to like this slot.

Will look into this!

Planet of the Apes, this slot was one of the biggest letdowns for me as I had really high expectations for it.

Any specific things that you would change? Anything that you would keep in POTA?

Anyway Netent is a very decent company who deliver some good slots from time to time but not everything is gold of course.

Nice to see you around and I hope we will be able to have an active Netent rep around.

Thanks a million Lotusch!

 

[burgstrom]

Speaking of Mirror Mirror and other similar games, hitting a bonus and getting a coin win instead of freespins isn't exactly fun. Would much prefer fewer bonuses, it's not like we're not used to the 1/460ish of Bonanza by now.




Oh yes I fully agree on that, the games where you win a COIN WIN if you have to choose between 3 options.
I so hate that. I want the free spins or the bonus game.
What is the point of a coin win.
If I trigger a feature I would love to play a feature.

So I 100% agree on this.

Great to know thanks!

 

[burgstrom]

Thank you for your presence here.


Can you tell us why Canadians aren’t allowed to play your games in the first place ?

Canada regulated, we withdrew and have been going through the correct processes to get back. It is taking longer then we would like but as stated we are working on it!

 

[burgstrom]

I can indeed confirm you are, sir Now you can take the same kind of verbal beating I have. Haha

It's a good crowd here actually - no company in the world can grumble when having customers so forthcoming with advice and input.

 

[burgstrom]

Never once thought Netent would mess with Twin Spin, I always had it down as one of their 'classic' IPs, not to be meddled with

It's like taking DOA and mixing it with Starburst or something!

wait

no

don't even think it Netent!!

So no DeadBurst then? Shame...

 

[burgstrom]

O hey @burgstrom ! Could you forward this on right person on your office? Thanks, and welcome!
Reel steal visual bug ?

Done although they were already working on a fix, thank you!!

 

[burgstrom]

I noticed the newest NetEnt slots must have very high system requirements. I have a brand new notebook with the latest i7 and 16GB RAM and the only time i hear the fan is when playing the new Netents, for instance Jumanji.

Has to be a real pain if you play on older equipment.

Thanks this is useful bowki. Are you using an exotic browser or normal Chrome? Just curious

 

[Steviedoo]

Canada regulated, we withdrew and have been going through the correct processes to get back. It is taking longer then we would like but as stated we are working on it!

Can you be a tad more specific. What was the problem. Thank you.

 

[burgstrom]

1. Any overly derogatory posts without constructive criticism I will simply slow clap and move on...

I guess that rules me out of any contribution to this thread.

Let's see..

OK, most recent games have either the dreadful 400x max win math model, those bloody awful 'cluster' mechanics and many have juvenile graphics.

OK so Cluster Pays Mechanics. What's with that? They have a bad wrap - Why? Just because some of the games and game types this payout mechanic has been used on have been low volatility games? Used properly they can provide a good math profile IMHO. Does everyone feel the same way?

I did offer to Netent to become Product Advisor but I never heard back so I'll take it as a 'No' then.

Can I play the "I'm new card" at this one?

Twin Spin deluxe is one of the laziest bits of slot design ever. Why not make a more volatile version which can pay over 1080x? You've done this with Berry Burst as I saw in Amsterdam. I actually shouted at the cat when I made the video review (it's on here somewhere) because I was so disappointed.

While NetEnt could and would never condone any form of animal abuse, I do personally apologise that we contributed to this string of awful and disturbing events.

Jungle Spirit was OK initially until people realized how terrible the base game was, totally different to Bonanza or DoA, with predictable sequences of dead spins.

Fair enough. I must admit I do very much like JS and didn't feel the recurring feeling of dead spins there. Is a dead spin to you, any winnings under your stake? Or just a zero win spin?

Starburst being successful is NOT because it's a decent slot, it's mediocre at best. It's successful because is was designed for simpletons and therefore casinos pushed it (and still sodding do!) to new players with free spins. It's had a 'leg-up' like no other slot in history. It's a bit like seeing a third world country where the president's poster is plastered to every spare wall surface and thinking 'he must be popular' when the opposite is true.

I just simply cannot agree on this point. This industry is saturated with content and good games win out eventually. If Starburst was as you say, especially with forthright communities like CM and others, Starburst would've died long ago. I think you would be surprised if you knew the care, precision and detail we put into that game to make that Starburst experience what it is, despite its simplicity. What I must say is that I genuinely enjoy the colourful analogies, similes and metaphors you use to convey your points.

Your interface doesn't know whether people are using mobile or laptop - if you have a touchscreen PC some buttons will only work with the mouse, some only with your finger. You have to be a bloody gymnast just to get the bloody game started on autoplay!

This is great input. I've forwarded this on to the teams, thank you.

You have a unique way of making decent game mechanics (say the Fairytale Legends series) look crap, and poor mechanics look good (Relics).

There is a compliment sneakily hidden in there, i'll take it. When you say "look crap" - you mean graphically? Red Riding Hood is a very pretty game IMO! You don't agree?

Your maths model in most recent games means an 'egg-timer' effect on a players' balance so once 50-100x bet down there is very little chance of retrieving anything. This is a result of the awful low potential reflected in variance so then we coined the term 'Netent Variance'.

Thanks this is great input!!

The early Netent releases were 90% good and all very different - nowadays your games are too formulaic and it seems you aren't doing your homework as to what format is popular, i.e. 243-ways, increasing multipliers and expanding scatters etc. Your latter day output is of the poor standard of Playtake, Microcloning and IGT, three other developers who have become fat, bloated and lazy and simply rest on past glories.

Just my opinion.

Again thanks. Opinions are what we're after here.

 

[burgstrom]

Can you be a tad more specific. What was the problem. Thank you.

Not a problem, just a change in circumstances. Canada regulated online gaming on a provincial level. We as a company that embraces regulated markets have to go through certification and other legal processes to provide games there. Plus the provinces have their own chosen platforms they use to aggregate content like ours, which we also need to integrate and partner with. It's not a small thing to do...its complex and it takes time. Canada is not the only country to have done this, many have and more will be doing this I expect.

 

[burgstrom]

I think the Netent rep is straining under the weight of our magnificent answers.

After the extended weekend break, I think he took our feedback to Netent HQ, where they took one look and arranged for him to 'take a little ride'......

Not yet...goatwack...not yet. Trance Monkey would know if the end was nigh...

 

[burgstrom]

Hi there!

What you are doing great is the graphics, you are probably the slot provider who has the best graphics across the board on all of your games. Your designers are doing a great job and I hope they are rewarded for their work!

As for the slot, agreed with most others said here. The math model is just off and it seems impossible to get a 500 or 1000x win.

You asked what people didn't like about POTA, my biggest issue with it is a few things.

The fresspins bonus where you collect wilds, it seems to have potential until you realise it's almost everytime gonna stop on 7 wilds collected or less, I never seen anyone with above 7 wilds. So when you collect 7 early and you have 3-4 rounds left, it's very frustrating just to get deadspins and get a 50x win.

The random feature where you collect symbols which goes on forever and then results in almost nothing and in some instances zero! Such a waste of time.


For your other slots, please please do not have a "coin win" bonus prize, remove that and make the bonus harder to trigger instead.

I think most of your slots would be much better if you had more RTP in bigger wins and less in smaller wins. Remove these 0.5x wins, 10x bonuses and so on. They suck. Make it harder to get a bonus and have the possibility to win big, 1000x and more.

When I play slots, I hope to hit big. Not to spins 1000 spins and then if I am lucky and hit the bonus a few times I have my deposit back.

Excellent feedback, especially about POTA. Thank you very much!