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NetEnt Open Questions

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by burgstrom, Aug 2, 2018.

    Aug 2, 2018
  1. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    Hello All,

    I'm not overly active on CM as I would like, I'm trying to fix this (although life tends to throw curve balls!). I've introduced myself in some other threads in the board, but I'd like to do it more openly.

    I'm the Games Product Director at NetEnt (yes, my details have been verified by Bryan). I've been at the company just over 5 Months and I've been getting my head around things as you do in a good job.

    I've been in the Industry, both land and online collectively for about 12 years mainly around slot games and games design - so I've been around a bit at least.

    I wanted to explicitly reach out to the CM community and ask you for some feedback. I know this could turn into a bit of a free for all but to at least attempt to add some structure:

    What are we doing that we should stop?
    What are we doing that we should keep doing?
    What aren't we doing that we should be?

    Game Features you like, dislike.
    User Interface and User Experience stuff that is driving you crazy good or crazy bad about our games

    I realise that I have opened up to taking a beating which I'm always prepared to take, but in the spirit of transparency that this post stands for:

    1. Any overly derogatory posts without constructive criticism I will simply slow clap and move on...
    2. NetEnt is a public listed company, and there a just some things that I cannot reveal or talk about - especially big future facing stuff. I'm not doing it to be rude, mean, arrogant or dodgy - its just that people's jobs and careers depend on these rules to be adhered to. TranceMonkey knows I'm an honorable fella (at least I hope he does!) so I will truly do my best!

    A couple of popular questions I can perhaps answer upfront:

    We are going back to Canada, we are trying to get there are fast as we can. I do not have a games list yet, we will soon and I will reveal it/if and when I can! It is not easy to get back there...

    We HAVE NOT changed the Math Model on DoA. Really, WE. HAVE. NOT. We are looking at the DoA game itself (outside of the math/server) to see what we can do to it to make it truer to the original Flash version. Stay tuned...but if you have feedback surrounding this outside of the scatter issue raised all over the web, then I'm all ears!

    Deep breath and here come the latex gloves....be gentle!

    Cheers!

    Burg
     
  2. Aug 2, 2018
  3. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

    Occupation:
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    Location:
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    hope Canadians come back into the fold soon ;)
    please keep us apprised
     
  4. Aug 2, 2018
  5. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    Prepare yourself for a rough ride lol and WELCOME!

    Firstly DoA, I feel this is fine as it is to be fair, honeymoon period over and people have had chance to settle to the HTML5 version, not as bad as first feared (including my own personal moans) big hits appearing in the winners screenshots section and to be truthful I don't think I could ever live with the sluggishness of the flash version ever again :eek:

    Creature from the Black Lagoon, has this been updated please? - There seems to be an abundance of low paying features in comparison to personal experience of years gone by, it seems sooo tight these past 6-12 month's

    New releases................There is such a HUGE difference between these and Netent older games, literally next to no win potential and nothing to entice players to want to play these newer ones, I mean seasoned players and HV players will show little if no interest in a top prize of 400x, those maths models are awful.

    Moving forward I feel basing games on Doa, CFTBL, Evolution, Wild Rockets, JATB etc would be better from Fairytale Legends, That awful Phantom of the Opera game and so on.

    I've read numerous posts about Netnet dropping from number one in the business to not even the top ten!! - Surely you guys want your crown back??
     
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  6. Aug 2, 2018
  7. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Londonia
    You've been watching '24' box sets again, haven't you :eek:
     
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  8. Aug 2, 2018
  9. bowki

    bowki Senior Member

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    Uh oh, you openend Pandoras box. :D

    But honestly, thank you for showing up here. Netent seems to get a lot of hate lately but I guess thats how it is in this industry with players losing and feeling cheated.

    I have just one question in my mind at this time: Is Starburst really that popular? I never heard somebody sayin "I love that game" but still it seems to be an all time blockbuster?


    Oh, and one wish for the future: Please make a DoA Slot with another theme. Same insane win potential with a wildline but im getting tired of the cowboy theme. :D
     
  10. Aug 2, 2018
  11. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

    Occupation:
    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    Hi and Welcome Burg!

    I applaud you for having the courage to step into the lion's den. :D :D

    Give me a day or so to put a list together. I write reviews for all Netent games, hence, I think I have a pretty good insight on what could be improved/changed/removed etc., at least what I feel personally when I spin them for the first time. :)

    Usually, I post a few details about new releases here as well, the last one was BerryBURST: New Slot Announcement - BerryBURST™ by Netent

    And no worries, DOA is just fine. We just play it less since we became so foolish to let Bonanza et al capture our brains. :oops:
     
  12. Aug 2, 2018
  13. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Location:
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    lol, never so much as seen as an episode actually :D
     
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  14. Aug 2, 2018
  15. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

    Occupation:
    Stuntman
    Location:
    Londonia
    Oh God, did you have to mention Pandora's Box :laugh:

    One of the games they pulled yonks ago. Yes even we in the UK suffer from Netent's baffling decisions :p
     
  16. Aug 2, 2018
  17. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    Location:
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    Well, keep me apprised if the situation changes
     
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  18. Aug 2, 2018
  19. zap987

    zap987 Meister Member PABnononaccred2

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    First off ui/ux: Only two things I can think of here that can be annoying. One is that on some games, like Jungle Spirit, if a scatter lands it needs to finish it's animation/sound effect before you're allowed to spin again even if there is no win. The other is that any play that isn't real money doesn't save game settings like volume and intro screens.

    Overall your games are good when it comes to presentation, the only real issue is the math models you use. Far too many of your games in recent years play very similar, a max win of 400x stake which noone has ever seen, usually with some pointless random feature giving 10-30x. It's like you're afraid people might actually win big? That's also one of the features I wish you would stop doing. It becomes a bit too obvious on a game like Guns'n'Roses with the multiplier feature where you are 100% to hit the 4th reel if you have a low symbol and 99% to miss if you have a higher symbol. In my opinion it's cheating to change the odds/reels in a feature that uses the reels like that, if I in normal play see a certain symbol in a specific position on the 4th reel 10% of the time, then it should be 10% chance it hits even in the feature. Same deal with the butterflies in Jungle Spirit, can that feature even pay over 30x stake? It doesn't matter what symbols you get or how many expand, the end win will always be between 10-30x. Countless other games are the same, most recently Mirror Mirror.

    Speaking of Mirror Mirror and other similar games, hitting a bonus and getting a coin win instead of freespins isn't exactly fun. Would much prefer fewer bonuses, it's not like we're not used to the 1/460ish of Bonanza by now.

    It's not really about the max win, it's about having enough RTP for bigger wins so they actually happen, right now you have a big void between 100x as max realistic win on 90% of your games and 2000x+ on DoA. Not that you shouldn't have lower variance games, it's just it's the only thing you really have recently. You don't need 4 features in every game eating up RTP, why not try making a game with 56% RTP in base game and 40% in some freespins for a change?
     
  20. Aug 2, 2018
  21. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    Location:
    Londonia
    Dear Netent, please cull all games Steam Tower onwards, including guff like Theme Park and Jackanory, and just resume from your 2012-13 era :D

    Just bring back some of the older games like Trolls and South Park and we'll say no more about it :thumbsup:
     
  22. Aug 2, 2018
  23. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    CFTBL - I'll look into it. Again I would seriously doubt we have changed anything but I'll check. We don't do that unless we have things like regulation changes which is pretty rare.
     
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  24. Aug 2, 2018
  25. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    No worries. It was time I guess. From the data I have Starburst is the best performing game online...but I'm sure others would dispute that of course.

    Noted Thank You.
     
  26. Aug 2, 2018
  27. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    Thank You sir.

    Excellent - looking forward to it.

    Read this thanks. Your math's is wrong but I like you, so you're forgiven. :)

    I'm personal fan of DoA so this title means a lot to me. Always good to ensure the craftsmanship is there.
     
  28. Aug 2, 2018
  29. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    We'll look at it so we can see where the annoyance is coming from, thanks Zap.

    Noted thank you. What is the ideal size win that you would want from a game on a regular basis? I'm curious. The well known issue is a game cannot deliver massive wins all the time, unless the game's server is plugged directly in Elon Musk's private bank account (I'm working on Musk's Moolah right now j/k). The quandry is then how do we communicate that it can indeed pay but that it's a patience thing? Smaller more frequent versions of the big feature to let you know something could happen? You say above that sucks. Whats a good way of doing this do you think?

    That's great and interesting input thank you! Does everyone else agree?

    Very good. This is great.
     
  30. Aug 2, 2018
  31. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Do you mean the maths in post 1 or 12? I actually corrected it after paul7388 pointed to a mistake. Wouldn't like to have a post with wrong numbers.
     
  32. Aug 2, 2018
  33. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    Are those your favourite NE games?
     
  34. Aug 2, 2018
  35. burgstrom

    burgstrom NetEnt Rep

    Occupation:
    NetEnt Games Product Director
    Location:
    Malta
    post 1 is still wrong, if you're talking about a single wager, the Max Theoretical win on BerryBurst is x3000 bet or x6000 for BerryBurst MAX....
     
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  37. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

    Occupation:
    Stuntman
    Location:
    Londonia
    Yes, I'd say Pandora's Box/ Trolls, South Park, DOA, CFTBL

    Quite like Wild Turkey too

    And Lucky Angler's pretty good

    Maybe Jungle Spirit
     
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  38. Aug 2, 2018
  39. SpinUk

    SpinUk Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Marketing
    Location:
    London
    Wishmaster was the best Netent game produced. Steam tower a close second. Polar opposite games but both delivered what they were supposed to.

    A new Netent game delivery used to be met with excitement by both the players and Casinos but personally speaking I wouldn't even bother a quick 5 minute play on a Netent new release. As everyone said, the maths model is absolutely dire.

    High variance on the bonus rounds and lower variance on the base game is now a proven route to success for games. Hence why developers that are going places are now almost exclusively producing games like this.

    I guarantee if you focus on that simple premise for your next three releases you could turn it around at Netent.
     
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