My online slots videos (plus UK AWPs)

[Balthazar]

Here's my take on Extra Chilli.

IMHO the feature buy is a bad idea because it takes away the "need" to play the base game (which is what playing slots is all about, really). The feature gamble, however, isn't a bad idea per se. It lets you chose what variance you want to play this slot, which is OK in my book. For low rollers like myself, the higher the variance the greater the chance to make a cashout.

A better way to do it would be to ask the player beforehand what kind of feature frequency they want, and have a different set of reels for each level (ie: "easy trigger" average 1 in 240 spins for 8 bonus spins, "medium trigger" would be the Bonanza odds then you have a higher trigger (1 in ~900 spins) for 16 bonus spins and so on. That would be great and not predatory. I'm a slot player but other than that I'm not a gambler so I really, really dislike the "all or nothing" type of gambling.

 

[aceking123]

IMHO the feature buy is a bad idea because it takes away the "need" to play the base game (which is what playing slots is all about, really). The feature gamble, however, isn't a bad idea per se. It lets you chose what variance you want to play this slot, which is OK in my book. For low rollers like myself, the higher the variance the greater the chance to make a cashout.

A better way to do it would be to ask the player beforehand what kind of feature frequency they want, and have a different set of reels for each level (ie: "easy trigger" average 1 in 240 spins for 8 bonus spins, "medium trigger" would be the Bonanza odds then you have a higher trigger (1 in ~900 spins) for 16 bonus spins and so on. That would be great and not predatory. I'm a slot player but other than that I'm not a gambler so I really, really dislike the "all or nothing" type of gambling.

This is what i would be thinking from any slot producer thinking outside the box , changing things up a bit , elbeit it won't be for the faint hearted, different levels producing bigger feature payouts of better base game with lower paying features but more of them , this should be quite hard to produce , but if they get it right they would have a stunning game worth shed loads of cash . problem is finding the middle ground & then how to get best from RTP% , maybe trancemonkey may take this on board )

 

[goatwack]

The thing being if BTG were to offer various incarnations of this slot, 99% of players would still opt for the highest variance option. Thereby becoming Bonanza. And rendering this useless

They didn't make this gimped inferior Bonanza impostor to please their fanbase. It's a cynical cash- grab aimed at Bonanza converts, minus the boring 'waiting for the bonus' bit and hoping to entice them to gamble (and lose) in record time via the theft err 'gamble' feature

 

[aceking123]

again i haven't played chilli billy im neither keen on boganza either , i shall give it a go but i wont playing via spins , straight in for feature buy )

 

[goatwack]

again i haven't played chilli billy im neither keen on boganza either , i shall give it a go but i wont playing via spins , straight in for feature buy )

You'll be doing your ears a favour at least - there's no whistling in the bonus from what I can remember!

Just do a couple of normal spins and you'll see what I mean

Perhaps the reason they implemented the 'buy' option after all. It all makes sense now.........

 

[dunover]

Here's my take on Extra Chilli.

LOL yet again, as with EVERY real and free play session on BTG slots, you've enjoyed 100% + RTP, a profit. Has the penny dropped yet?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

LOL yet again, as with EVERY real and free play session on BTG slots, you've enjoyed 100% + RTP, a profit. Has the penny dropped yet?

I lost £3000 of demo money on it the day before recording this.

What is the penny that's supposed to have dropped?

 

[dunover]

I lost £3000 of demo money on it the day before recording this.

What is the penny that's supposed to have dropped?

About the math model employed with these games - as you say you can effectively choose the volatility and therefore turnover to some extent. You went ultimate volatility in this video. As for losing 3k in demo mode, even if a slot has a 99.9% RTP, play it long enough and you'll still bust eventually. When will you deposit 100 say and do some £10 feature buys at 20p stakes?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't know how much of the video you watched dunover (and I appreciate it was rather on the long side), but I'm not contending that there's anything 'wrong' with the slot, that it won't make RTP, and that in the long enough term it doesn't make much difference to RTP how you play it. (Indeed I point out that by making the slot so highly volatile the potential for massive wins, very quickly, is most definitely present.)

What I take issue with is the design of the slot, which is a clear inducement for players to not only bet big for a guaranteed feature, but then to gamble that feature (multiple times!) in the hope of making it a 'big' feature.

It's got 'problem gambler enticement' written all over it and IMO is a deeply irresponsible way to design a slot - 'player choice' has nothing to do with it.

 

[09237653]

I'm pretty sure the games are sentient, as soon as you start bad mouthing them they seem to start paying out, next time i play bonanza am gonna shout abuse at it the whole time - a strat which has already been demonstrated to work by dunover.

 

[aceking123]

Its boarder line. I can see both points of view but I think many players have forgotten this has already been done a long time ago. Barcrest have had this feature for a while albeit you can't directly buy a feature. I shall point out that at least you get a fair exchange balance by buying. Barcrest you get 5 mega spins enhanced but at 60p a spin.
Only difference is you can not gamble a feature or buy one. But stakes are still high you can do a £50 spin right up to a £1000 on the knights slot. On some sites. To me it's down to the player to control themselves & this is where the problem lies. No self control don't play this slot or your going to be in trouble or set your limits to what you can afford also again this would help with this slot.

 

[goatwack]

I agree similar options may have existed in other games, but were never at the forefront. BTG for all their creative flair, are blatantly encouraging players to gamble by placing the buy feature in constant view, not to mention 'jolting' players with the constant coin drop animations......

I'd almost forgive the bonus buy if it were either capped, or if it was just the free spin wheel. Combining both is just scummy

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't see the Barcrest 'Big Bets' thing (or whatever they called it) as being much different from cranking the stake up to £30 or £50 or whatever on a normal slot. And from memory it was a distinct sort of 'game within a game' that the player had to explicitly choose.

The (massive) differences with the feature buy on Extra Chilli are that it's a 50x stake option that's always present even when you're low-rolling, with clear incentives to the player to not only buy the feature at any time (especially when its cost is reduced, (even though you've already paid for the reduction)), but also to gamble the feature multiple times even after they've bought it, at the risk of losing all the feature, or most of it.

There's really no equivalence between the two IMO.

 

[SpinUk]

I don't see the Barcrest 'Big Bets' thing (or whatever they called it) as being much different from cranking the stake up to £30 or £50 or whatever on a normal slot. And from memory it was a distinct sort of 'game within a game' that the player had to explicitly choose.

The (massive) differences with the feature buy on Extra Chilli are that it's a 50x stake option that's always present even when you're low-rolling, with clear incentives to the player to not only buy the feature at any time (especially when its cost is reduced, (even though you've already paid for the reduction)), but also to gamble the feature multiple times even after they've bought it, at the risk of losing all the feature, or most of it.

There's really no equivalence between the two IMO.

I agree, and I don’t think its long before it brings on a bit of “heat” from the UKGC, which is bad for everyone all round generally involved with slots.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't see the Barcrest 'Big Bets' thing (or whatever they called it) as being much different from cranking the stake up to £30 or £50 or whatever on a normal slot. And from memory it was a distinct sort of 'game within a game' that the player had to explicitly choose.

The (massive) differences with the feature buy on Extra Chilli are that it's a 50x stake option that's always present even when you're low-rolling, with clear incentives to the player to not only buy the feature at any time (especially when its cost is reduced, (even though you've already paid for the reduction)), but also to gamble the feature multiple times even after they've bought it, at the risk of losing all the feature, or most of it.

There's really no equivalence between the two IMO.

My issue with your general line of thoughts is you believe that it's the slot designer's responsibility to make sure that "problem gamblers" don't gamble too much and they shouldn't tempt them. Similarly, our government here thinks it's a good idea to disable the autospin feature on all online slots and have a mandatory 4 seconds delay between each spin for the same reason. With all due respect, that's bullcrap.

"Problem gamblers" shouldn't be playing slots to begin with and they will find a way to lose their money if they do. I don't want to have fewer features just in case someone wouldn't use them responsibly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My issue with your general line of thoughts is you believe that it's the slot designer's responsibility to make sure that "problem gamblers" don't gamble too much and they shouldn't tempt them. Similarly, our government here thinks it's a good idea to disable the autospin feature on all online slots and have a mandatory 4 seconds delay between each spin for the same reason. With all due respect, that's bullcrap.

"Problem gamblers" shouldn't be playing slots to begin with and they will find a way to lose their money if they do. I don't want to have fewer features just in case someone wouldn't use them responsibly.

But we accept (and/or encourage) 'responsible design practice' in most other activities that carry a risk of harm or addiction, such as the consumption of alcohol or tobacco, with all kinds of rules, regulations and restrictions on the advertising of these products, how they can be promoted, who they can be sold to, and so on. (Not that this fixes all the associated problems of course, but nonetheless the effort is made to keep things (mostly) on the right side of decency.)

You can't lump everything into one basket for the sake of convenience - (i.e. autoplay isn't the same enticement or psychological hook as a 50x stake feature buy with a clear enticement to gamble the feature four times to get the 'best' version of it, with the first two gambles being all or nothing, it massively ramps up the potential rate of player loss) - I guess everyone will have their line in the sand on this, where they think the software provider has gone too far.

White Rabbit's feature buy I'm basically (just about) OK with, Extra Chilli's feature buy with multiple gamble opportunities thrust right into the player's face, I'm not OK with.

(As I note in the video, you are FORCED to go to the gamble screen when you buy the feature, you have to press a big 'OK' button which takes you to the gamble wheel, and only then can you actually collect the feature you've just bought. As I also note in the video, this design did not come about by accident.)

 

[SpinUk]

My issue with your general line of thoughts is you believe that it's the slot designer's responsibility to make sure that "problem gamblers" don't gamble too much and they shouldn't tempt them. Similarly, our government here thinks it's a good idea to disable the autospin feature on all online slots and have a mandatory 4 seconds delay between each spin for the same reason. With all due respect, that's bullcrap.

"Problem gamblers" shouldn't be playing slots to begin with and they will find a way to lose their money if they do. I don't want to have fewer features just in case someone wouldn't use them responsibly.

Im not sure of the argument that you can supply anything responsibly with a clear conscience as the abusers will always “find a way”. With that argument you could argue for the legalisation of heroin and prostitution (would be a pretty lively afternoon). It needs to be a balance between player choice and whats responsibly supplied. Agree with Chopley this one has overstepped the mark.

 

[dionysus]

Im not sure the argument that you can supply anything responsibly with a clear conscience as the abusers will always “find a way”. With that argument you could argue for the legalisation of heroin and prostitution (would be a pretty lively afternoon). It needs to be a balance between player choice and whats responsibly supplied. Agree with Chopley this one has overstepped the mark.

selling sex isnt legal where you live?

 

[dunover]

I don't see the Barcrest 'Big Bets' thing (or whatever they called it) as being much different from cranking the stake up to £30 or £50 or whatever on a normal slot. And from memory it was a distinct sort of 'game within a game' that the player had to explicitly choose.

The (massive) differences with the feature buy on Extra Chilli are that it's a 50x stake option that's always present even when you're low-rolling, with clear incentives to the player to not only buy the feature at any time (especially when its cost is reduced, (even though you've already paid for the reduction)), but also to gamble the feature multiple times even after they've bought it, at the risk of losing all the feature, or most of it.

There's really no equivalence between the two IMO.

There is an equivalence. In both cases you pay up to 50x your base bet of say £1 for an enhanced series of spins. In both cases the feature's pays are related to the base pay tables thus you need a reasonable slice of luck to get your £50 back. I've done numerous reviews of Big Bet Bastardcrests and they are far, far worse than Extra Chilli in that they often pay 0-10 x your £1 base stake and an absolute humdinger be lucky to award 3-400 quid, whereas on Bonanza you can get thousands x £1 unit stake. On some BB games you can also gamble for a better amount of spins!

And you mention the gamble on EC being always visible, having to press 'OK' etc. What about seeing the Bastadrcrest pay tables clearly stating you'll get 98% RTP on the max BB but only 94% on the basic £1 spins? If that isn't sowing doubt and tempting the player to play irresponsibly, I dunno what is.....

 

[dunover]

selling sex isnt legal where you live?

No, prostitution isn't illegal in the UK or selling sex. Brothels are though, and buying it is. (From what I gather!) Sort of like the US Wire Act - online gambling isn't illegal technically, but facilitating payments is.

 

[dionysus]

No, prostitution isn't illegal in the UK or selling sex. Brothels are though, and buying it is. (From what I gather!) Sort of like the US Wire Act - online gambling isn't illegal technically, but facilitating payments is.

pretty much the same this side
you can sell it, you just cant buy it
ya - tricky dicky, pun intended

 

[aceking123]

Here you go choppers clearly you can see that you can bet far higher , but where as barcrest would give you ten line bet , this would cost you £20 for five spins £4 per spin , but you do not get this at 40p per line its like 10p per line, feel free to go take a look at some barcrest slots , with big bets , i know some can be played at £1k for 5 spins , im not defending BTG at all , but one wonders to where this has come from & i would be damn sure its from barcrest slots. another slot with £50 big bets in the new joker strike Quickspin, again you get 5 spins but again not at ten pound per spin. or £1 pound per line bet.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think you're getting a bit fixated by the bet size, the unique thing about Extra Chilli is the fact that the player is invited and indeed incentivised to gamble their purchased feature, whereas with all these other examples (AFAIK at least), once you've bought your 'high roller spins' or 'big bets' spins or whatever else, you do at least get to play them out.

Extra Chilli costs 50x stake to buy a feature which you can then lose without even getting a spin of the reels. I appreciate not everyone has an issue with this, but I find 'buy a feature and then immediately gamble several times to make it better and risk losing the lot' to be over the line.

 

[aceking123]

I think you're getting a bit fixated by the bet size, the unique thing about Extra Chilli is the fact that the player is invited and indeed incentivised to gamble their purchased feature, whereas with all these other examples (AFAIK at least), once you've bought your 'high roller spins' or 'big bets' spins or whatever else, you do at least get to play them out.

Extra Chilli costs 50x stake to buy a feature which you can then lose without even getting a spin of the reels. I appreciate not everyone has an issue with this, but I find 'buy a feature and then immediately gamble several times to make it better and risk losing the lot' to be over the line.

Hi no I do not think so I have to disagree there is nothing stopping any player from collecting the paid for feature. Just because a gamble is showing does not mean you have to gamble it . It gives you a choice regardless if it's right or wrong. Same to me as playing 5 big bets. If you look at how barcrest slot big bets break down in terms of what you pay at reduced stake line bet according to cost then you may see the upper point to chilli Billy. I'm not saying or defending btg as I don't play them often. But when I get time I shall go straight in for feature buy ten times to see what happens. It cannot be any worse than barcrest big bets which are pretty appalling to be honest.

 

[SpinUk]

pretty much the same this side
you can sell it, you just cant buy it
ya - tricky dicky, pun intended

You cant “solicit” it - i.e openly market it to the public. But its not illegal to buy and sell privately. Brothels illegal here to.

 

[goatwack]

We know little about slots but I'll be damned if we're not experts on the legalities of prostitution :xxx:

 

[dionysus]

We know little about slots but I'll be damned if we're not experts on the legalities of prostitution :xxx:

lol, I remember when I lived overseas, the prostitutes were affectionately known as 'butterflies of the night'....dont that sound so...peachy lol

 

[TheAddict]

someone recently mention a brothel also having a club jackpot awp machine in it. Only in the uk!
Similarly to extra chilli, enticing people once through the door to consider gambling the 16 minute bj + reach around in return for either 24 minutes of the full works carried out by 3 of the employees or an 8 minute yank from the cleaner.

 

[dionysus]

someone recently mention a brothel also having a club jackpot awp machine in it. Only in the uk!
Similarly to extra chilli, enticing people once through the door to consider gambling the 16 minute bj + reach around in return for either 24 minutes of the full works carried out by 3 of the employees or an 8 minute yank from the cleaner.

theyre so rare i i aint doubling or nothing on one

 

[goatwack]

someone recently mention a brothel also having a club jackpot awp machine in it. Only in the uk!
Similarly to extra chilli, enticing people once through the door to consider gambling the 16 minute bj + reach around in return for either 24 minutes of the full works carried out by 3 of the employees or an 8 minute yank from the cleaner.

Name of this place?

I think it's absolutely wrong. The very notion of gambling a potential reach around for a 'better' prize that is, the greedy bastards.

What does one have to do to get proper value for money these days

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not online slots related but some reminiscing about a fine old UK AWP, with gameplay and commentary captured in MFME. (Multiple Fruit Machine Emulator.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I bought 20 features on White Rabbit with real money, this is what happened.....

 

[nikantw]

Back in November I bought 48 features on White Rabbit with real money, this is what happened ....

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Have you actually lost on a BTG slot yet Chop?!!

 

[goatwack]

I once recall buying 20+ consecutive bonuses on this, got completely butchered

Once outside the BTG mind-control hypnosis, it's actually relatively easy to see BTG games for the filth they are. Objectively speaking

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Back in November I bought 48 features on White Rabbit with real money, this is what happened ....

Yes the slot was undeniably rather kinder to me

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I once recall buying 20+ consecutive bonuses on this, got completely butchered

Once outside the BTG mind-control hypnosis, it's actually relatively easy to see BTG games for the filth they are. Objectively speaking

I don't think they're any different to any other random slots TBH. White Rabbit actually has an above-average RTP and the bonus buy is relatively sane.

Of course losses are possible on a bad run and they'll happen quicker because of the 100x cost of each buy, but fundamentally it's just a random slot with a decent RTP.

Unless you're suggesting it's not random and/or fair?

 

[Balthazar]

The problem with White Rabbit is unlike the other BTG slots, the base game really sucks. It's super boring and we don't have the feeling that it's capable of landing a decent big win. A boring base game combined with a bonus buying option was a recipe for very short longevity, which is what they got. It's sad because they did put a decent effort on it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I can't say I think much of Bonanza's base game but each to their own I think Bonanza is a slot you need to have running alongside something else, as the bonus rounds can take so long to land. Bonanza and Danger High Voltage running together was a good combo.

Someone's suggested in a comment on the video to dual-play Star Quest and Queen of Riches as they reckon they're the most brutal BTGs?

 

[goatwack]

I don't think they're any different to any other random slots TBH. White Rabbit actually has an above-average RTP and the bonus buy is relatively sane.

Of course losses are possible on a bad run and they'll happen quicker because of the 100x cost of each buy, but fundamentally it's just a random slot with a decent RTP.

Unless you're suggesting it's not random and/or fair?

Random? I'll get back to you on that one

Fair? Not a chance in hell

 

[Balthazar]

Someone's suggested in a comment on the video to dual-play Star Quest and Queen of Riches as they reckon they're the most brutal BTGs?

Yes. Super, super, super high variance.

I think the BTG you'd like the most would be Dragon Born. Med-high variance, bonus frequency is standard and you've got the Megaways so the potential is there.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes. Super, super, super high variance.

Colour me intrigued. What would you compare them to in terms of slots from other providers that I might be familiar with? (Bearing in mind I've been out of the loop for the last four years )

 

[Balthazar]

Colour me intrigued. What would you compare them to in terms of slots from other providers that I might be familiar with? (Bearing in mind I've been out of the loop for the last four years )

I don't think you've played this kind of slot before as they didn't exist. DOA's base game is tame so not that. Keep in mind that these 2 slots have no bonus round, all the RTP is in the base game and they have a ton of different ways to give massive wins. Expect a LOT of dead spins with very very few wins over 10x.

 

[Jono777]

Colour me intrigued. What would you compare them to in terms of slots from other providers that I might be familiar with? (Bearing in mind I've been out of the loop for the last four years )

A decent win IMO on either of these BTG "beasts" would be for frequency and amount (in terms of 'x') approximately the same as a 3 reel (across reels 1,2,3) or 4 reel wild desire on MG's Immortal Romance.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't think you've played this kind of slot before as they didn't exist. DOA's base game is tame so not that. Keep in mind that these 2 slots have no bonus round, all the RTP is in the base game and they have a ton of different ways to give massive wins. Expect a LOT of dead spins with very very few wins over 10x.

Sounds like it could get fairly spicy, even low-rolling.....

A decent win IMO on either of these BTG "beasts" would be for frequency and amount (in terms of 'x') approximately the same as a 3 reel (across reels 1,2,3) or 4 reel wild desire on MG's Immortal Romance.

That makes them sound even spicier

Well I've got over £300 in the tank, I think I'll kick these two mofos off in dual-slot play sometime over the weekend (with low-rolling stakes of course!) - see how it goes.....

 

[Balthazar]

Sounds like it could get fairly spicy, even low-rolling.....



That makes them sound even spicier

Well I've got over £300 i.n the tank, I think I'll kick these two mofos off in dual-slot play sometime over the weekend (with low-rolling stakes of course!) - see how it goes.....

Sounds fun.

Queen Riches is Twin Spin on steroids and Star Quest is Starburst also on steroids. Same game dynamics than their NetEnt precursors, but with added reels and more possibilities.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sounds fun.

Queen Riches is Twin Spin on steroids and Star Quest is Starburst also on steroids. Same game dynamics than their NetEnt precursors, but with added reels and more possibilities.

I like the idea of Twin Spin on steroids, although Starburst on steroids would probably only enter the realms of a slightly frisky Sloth. Did anyone, ever, get the full screen of BARS on Starburst?.......

I'm sold though, next online session will be dual-play with Queen Riches and Star Quest. It'll be Friday or Saturday though, when there's a glass of wine or two on board. (And then it'll need editing together and uploading, but should be by the end of the weekend, if all goes according to plan.)

 

[dunover]

I like the idea of Twin Spin on steroids, although Starburst on steroids would probably only enter the realms of a slightly frisky Sloth. Did anyone, ever, get the full screen of BARS on Starburst?.......

I'm sold though, next online session will be dual-play with Queen Riches and Star Quest. It'll be Friday or Saturday though, when there's a glass of wine or two on board. (And then it'll need editing together and uploading, but should be by the end of the weekend, if all goes according to plan.)

The problem with Queen Of Bitches is the conjoined reels don't build up any tension - on Twit Spin you get a pause after the third reel is added, then maybe a fourth and so-on. On QoB the joins are virtually instantaneous for quicker turnover so once you're aware a reel has been added to the starting twin reels the spin's over.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Here you go then, dual-slot play on Queen of Riches and Star Quest. (For real money.)

 

[dunover]

Nice, it means I can avoid the missus watching that Talentless Britain shite on TV and see this instead. That's if there's no power cut due to the big thunderstorm we're having at the moment. Just the job!

Yes, the brutal ass-raping I envisaged. A brave man takes one of those bastards on, let alone two!

QoR is by far the most volatile slot I have ever seen or played, I cannot think of one higher in volatility.

In answer to your query about St*rb*rt, like the second coming and aliens landing tomorrow, it's theoretically possible to get a full screen of bars but in world history hasn't ever been documented. Between your attempt on St*rb*rst and reappearance on here several years later, the same numbers came out in two consecutive weeks in the Hungarian National Lottery (approx. 14m/1 against) but alas the statistical catstrophe that would see a Netent player hit a full screen for a whopping 500x bet has failed to occur.