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[RobWin]

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to you too Nitro!
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[winbig]

Geeze guys - take a look at the calendar - perhaps some of these people are at home spending time with their families instead of hanging on every post made in this forum.

Thank you for affirming the fact that I have no life and my family is thousands of miles away.

 

[RobWin]

Thank you for affirming the fact that I have no life and my family is thousands of miles away.

I'm here for ya brother....

ROTFLMAO!! :notworthy
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[spearmaster]

So basically in my example above you are saying that it would not be more clear for the player and offer extra clarity to add those three words?

I said that the current term was not ambiguous. Please don't twist my words.

 

[heatherad]

OK, this is getting silly...what do you not understand on a bonus saying Slots ONLY Bonus? You can discuss this till the moon turns blue but those words will not make it change to Slots only bonus and some blackjack... I do believe the OP played blackjack ON PURPOSE to boost his stash...I play blackjack when I get low on funds too , to make my stash last longer..You cannot mistake a slot machine for blackjack cards..

Geeze...How much clearer can this bonus be?? We do not need programs etc to keep us from doing what the bonus states..we are adults..we can understand rules..etc..to try and fudge on a rule..when it states BOLDLY...SLOTS ONLY...how much more direction does one need???

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Totally agree!!! You can't get it any clearer than that! That is why whenever someone is going to play with a deposit bonus to READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS and understand them clearly. If you have any doubts then go ask live chat.
Would I be crying a river if that was me who ended up losing that money? Dang tooting I would, but I'd be crying in the privacy of my own room because of the stupid mistake I made by playing games that weren't allowed.
Its sad really because often than not, quite a few folks have to go through something like this to learn a lesson the hard way.
It clearly states all winnings and bonus will be voided! Yes it would be nice if just the winnings from the unallowed games were voided but when you have it clearly stated as CW does in their T&C then I honestly don't think there is anything a player can do if they take it upon themselves to break them.

 

[RobWin]

I said that the current term was not ambiguous. Please don't twist my words.

And I said in my example above!! So please don't twist my words around either big boy!
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[spearmaster]

And I said in my example above!! So please don't twist my words around either big boy!

As I made no reference to your example at all, I hardly see where I can be twisting your words - yet you put words in my mouth. You can stop with the baiting and slights now.

 

[maxd]

Just a reminder here to everyone to keep it friendly. Else ...

 

[RobWin]

As I made no reference to your example at all, I hardly see where I can be twisting your words - yet you put words in my mouth. You can stop with the baiting and slights now.

Whatever... I guess if you call it "baiting" by me trying to get an actual response from you regarding my specific example that I so well laid out... then ok...I'm guilty I guess...Sue Me!
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[RobWin]

Just a reminder here to everyone to keep it friendly. Else ...

Merry Christmas Max ole buddy..
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[alabama5150]

Yes We are adults. but..

Geeze...How much clearer can this bonus be?? We do not need programs etc to keep us from doing what the bonus states..we are adults..we can understand rules..etc..to try and fudge on a rule..when it states BOLDLY...SLOTS ONLY...how much more direction does one need???

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I do agree with you , that we are adults and have our own due dilligence. We certainly shouldnt need programming, but as a "NICE" thing , would it not eliminate a lot of wasted time and energy? Thereby keeping a positive spin on things from the start. (sorry for the pun).

A perfect example is this thread...If it was so easy to read and understand exactly what the terms mean,, then why even on this forum, was it so difficult to get the same interpretation of the exact same verbage? It isn't always the case of clear descriptions, as it was in this case.

There are other benefits to preventive methods. For example it could set standards and elimiate some the risk to players from rogue operators who purposely try to confuse people with terms.

Not all people who play are as saavy as the members of this forum. And not all of the terms are written with such clarity. Actually quite the opposite. It simply isn't always a case of easy understanding of the rules and then breaking them on purpose.

The Obvious thing in any case is ..don't use a bonus if your arent quite sure of what the terms are or unless you understand them.

 

[spearmaster]

So basically in my example above you are saying that it would not be more clear for the player and offer extra clarity to add those three words?

This is what I call putting words in my mouth. I did not imply nor say anything of the sort.

So yes, that is baiting. Your little slights didn't go unnoticed either.

 

[RobWin]

This is what I call putting words in my mouth. I did not imply nor say anything of the sort.

So yes, that is baiting. Your little slights didn't go unnoticed either.

Dude, lighten up man...I was just kidding around with you with the "Big Boi" comment...surely you can take a joke can't ya bro...I mean peeps do joke with each other over yonder in your land don't they...must you always be soooooooooo serious? All of the time...jeeze man...life is short...lighten up and enjoy it a little!!
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[nitro]

Totally agree!!! You can't get it any clearer than that! That is why whenever someone is going to play with a deposit bonus to READ THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS and understand them clearly...

Because the T&Cs were breached so clearly you may spend the next 350 postings discussing out the semantics and nothing will happen because you live in a dream land if you believe that a casino will part with $50.000 or so when it doesn't have to. This is the reason why this whole thread was a futile exercise from the beginning.

 

[spearmaster]

Dude, lighten up man...I was just kidding around with you with the "Big Boi" comment...surely you can take a joke can't ya bro...I mean peeps do joke with each other over yonder in your land don't they...must you always be soooooooooo serious? All of the time...jeeze man...life is short...lighten up and enjoy it a little!!
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Just FYI, my land is the same as your land, despite the fact that I live elsewhere.

 

[RobWin]

Just FYI, my land is the same as your land, despite the fact that I live elsewhere.

Well if you are in the good ole USA then I know you got to get a nudge from a bro ever now and then...

I thought you were in Hong Kong or somewhere in Asia...you back in the states now?
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[spearmaster]

Well if you are in the good ole USA then I know you got to get a nudge from a bro ever now and then...

I thought you were in Hong Kong or somewhere in Asia...you back in the states now?

My point being that "my land" is the USA. Thus my "peeps" should understand things the same way I do, at least the last time I checked, which was last month.

 

[RobWin]

My point being that "my land" is the USA. Thus my "peeps" should understand things the same way I do, at least the last time I checked, which was last month.

That's cool man if you don't want to answer, I understand..
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[uungy]

Come on, this is a discussion.

Why cant we have a heated discussion without these pointing fingers?

There are many here that feel this is an unclear term. No matter what should have been done, that is no reason to throw out $46K, because OP "should have known better".

The term is clear in my opinion is, it sides to the fact that only that winnings from the restricted games will be removed. The fact that OP played on a disallowed game, is completely side point, as the terms are there to state what should happen in such a case.

There are still many MG casinos that will allow you to play with the bonus money, however it will not count for the wagering. The only reason why a casino would have this term, is so that they have a "get out clause", however I believe the getout clause was not improvised properly, and therefore should pay out!

 

[nitro]

The only reason why a casino would have this term, is so that they have a "get out clause", however I believe the getout clause was not improvised properly, and therefore should pay out!

Since the casino & the meister himself will not share your belief they'll not pay but feel free to continue the discussion as an academic exercise if you like it...

 

[chuchu59]

My point being that "my land" is the USA. Thus my "peeps" should understand things the same way I do, at least the last time I checked, which was last month.

I still rate you as a Hongkonger Spear. May we meet sometime in the future. If you come with Bryan and Simmo! I can teach you guys how to play mahjong.

 

[silcnlayc]

uungy:Come on, this is a discussion.

No, this is not a discussion, it is a free for all play on words and semantics..the discussion ended on page 3.

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[mojo]

The term is clear in my opinion is, it sides to the fact that only that winnings from the restricted games will be removed. The fact that OP played on a disallowed game, is completely side point, as the terms are there to state what should happen in such a case.

I am really trying to understand you POV, not picking on you.

Question..

Is the casino required to go through all the wagering a player does and nickle and dime what was won where and as a result of which was re-wagered on disallowed games? Did the disallowed games fund the bankroll that caused the winning jackpot? If I was another player playing for a progressive against this player I would cry foul and want my money back.

It's not that cut and dry to remove bj play when it snowballs into the players overall balance (bankroll). I feel it's fudging the rules to an unfair advantage. JMO

 

[KasinoKing]

There are many here that feel this is an unclear term. No matter what should have been done, that is no reason to throw out $46K, because OP "should have known better".

The term is clear in my opinion is, it sides to the fact that only that winnings from the restricted games will be removed. The fact that OP played on a disallowed game, is completely side point, as the terms are there to state what should happen in such a case.

By 'many' you must mean 1 or 2.
Sounds like you're saying anyone who claims to have accidentally broken T&C's, or failed to read them should be let off suffering the consequences?

The term is clear in my opinion; it's says if you play restricted games you lose any winnings.
Any winnings means any winnings.

However, I do agree the terms could and should be written in a clearer way.

But it swings both ways, when Club World first opened I took advantage of a badly written term which greatly favored the player - and they paid up.

The best solution, as I have been saying for years and others have suggested above, would be for the software to PREVENT players using any games not allowed in the bonus until WR is met.
But that will never happen, because then casinos wouldn't earn money from people trying to double up and failing, and they wouldn't have an excuse to confiscate winnings from people trying to double up and succeding...

KK

 

[uungy]

Did the disallowed games fund the bankroll that caused the winning jackpot? If I was another player playing for a progressive against this player I would cry foul and want my money back.

Firsrly this was not a prgressive. Secondly, if its within the terms, you can cry foul for many reasons, such as why should the random JP be won by someone who has bet 1c a line and not by me who spins at $1 a line. It its within the terms, thats fine