Missing Money

[bebo67]

Last night I was playing at Golden Riviera and logged off with 80.00 in my balance of real money, this morning I woke up to 42 cents. I went on chat to see where my money was and they have no transaction of it being there! I took a few deep breaths and proceeded to tell her to find it! And she said " its not there". The chat ended up getting pretty heated as I know for a fact how much I had, and no there is no one else here that could of played it. I asked her to look at my last play on gemix, as this was the last game played. She said my last bet was 30 cents. I proceeded to tell her that was impossible because Gemix doesnt have a 30 cent bet. She was not going to do anything about it, even after telling her this, basically she couldnt see the money so I was shit out of luck! Finally she said " Jennifer I don't have time for this, we are busy. I will send it to your VIP host" . I really hope to god that they find the money. It sounds like something is wrong with their Gemix, I don't know, but I have never done a PAB before, and certainly don't want them to be my first one.

 

[Jono777]

Sounds daft but have you reopened the Gemix game to see if the balance shows?

Sometimes the funds get stuck in a game, maybe worth opening any games you played last night, see if there is any incomplete game round (Eg: Incomplete gamble feature / need to press 'collect')

Hope you get it sorted soon

 

[bebo67]

Sounds daft but have you reopened the Gemix game to see if the balance shows?

Sometimes the funds get stuck in a game, maybe worth opening any games you played last night, see if there is any incomplete game round (Eg: Incomplete gamble feature / need to press 'collect')

Hope you get it sorted soon

Lol. No it doesnt sound daft, but yes I did open it.

 

[goatwack]

Well that takes the piss. A new casino tactic?

"Nope, no idea where your money went. Sorry!"

 

[brianmon]

Do Golden Riviera have Gemix??

I don't play there. But I always thought they were a strictly Microgaming site

 

[bebo67]

Well that takes the piss. A new casino tactic?

"Nope, no idea where your money went. Sorry!"

I know! The more I think about it, the more I get pissed off! No " we will have someone from technical dept look at it". Just a we will let your vip host know on Monday, just to get me off chat. Now they aren't even answering my chat. Number one in line for 25 min. Money just doesnt disappear!

 

[bebo67]

Do Golden Riviera have Gemix??

I don't play there. But I always thought they were a strictly Microgaming site

They changed their format. Now they are a multi.

 

[brianmon]

They changed their format. Now they are a multi.

Ah, fair enough.

I must admit, there have been occasions where I've left money in an account and then forgotten where it was.
Often I'd get Casino Luck and Next Casino mixed up

 

[bebo67]

Ah, fair enough.

I must admit, there have been occasions where I've left money in an account and then forgotten where it was.
Often I'd get Casino Luck and Next Casino mixed up

I only play at two casinos.
And the fact that she said my last bet was 30 cents on Gemix. Gemix doesnt have a 30 cent bet. It starts at 50 cents there and works its way up.

 

[slotmaster]

To say you are not alone although not casino related I got screwed today at the gas pump, I got charged for premium even though I selected regular so ended only being 5 dollar's difference but still can't keep being screwed out of money everytime. Another customer had to come in cause the pump they were using would not give them a receipt.

Was told they can't do anything and I have to call the manager. This is a good time to say to you all NEVER use a debit card or even a credit card at gas stations, Still use cash whenever possible.

 

[09237653]

I've had stuck wins on Gemix before, usually when you complete a world it holds the winnings back until you reopen it because the round wasn't finished yet even though it appeared to have finished, its worth checking any play and go slots you might have been playing as they all hold winnings in a similar way until the round is over.

 

[bebo67]

I talked to the supervisor and he says that I played it out from what his system says. Im shaking my head in utter disbelief! Iam not dense, I don't have dementia, and I want to scream! I hate when I know what is true and no one believes. I went to play check, and went from the beginning to the end. Counted each spin and each win manually! Its all there in black and white, so I called him back and his reply was I " dont need to, my system says you played it out" He did say he would get a hold of playngo and let them check. Here is the problem with that.
I started playing on quickspin and ended with playngo.
The 80 dollar balance was showing in the lobby, so if it was the game, the balance wouldnt be showing in the lobby.
And they clearly are not looking at my original balance and counting down from there. Just looking at my play with gemix.

Big sigh!
Sorry guys, but that money was my weekend money And where the hell would it go.

 

[ternur]

I've had this happen a few times with MT Securetrade platform. The balance just disappeared. It happened when I was playing MGS. I don't know if it's something to do with MT Securetrade, but each time it was the game that hanged up and they needed to reset it. After that the balance was restored. Nothing could be done from the players side to fix it.

I hope you get your balance back.

 

[Jono777]

I've had this happen a few times with MT Securetrade platform. The balance just disappeared. It happened when I was playing MGS. I don't know if it's something to do with MT Securetrade, but each time it was the game that hanged up and they needed to reset it. After that the balance was restored. Nothing could be done from the players side to fix it.

I hope you get your balance back.

This usually happens at MT sites when you've taken a bonus and the balance disappears on the spin which completes the wagering.

Usually rectifies itself after 3 or 4 minutes.

@bebo. Don't let this one go, I know I wouldn't

 

[bebo67]

Ok guys I need your help, they are making me feel like Im losing it. That I played it out and don't remember. And they keep starting on my 70 dollar win on Gemix, instead of going from the beginning to the end. So lets start at the 70 dollars, and you guys do the calculation. I will do a xcopy and paste of my game transactions. Nothing has been added or deleted. Starting at that 70 dollar point, I come out with 13.40, and starting at the beginning of my casino time, I come out 80.42. So I am missing my 80 dollars, but again, we will start at the 70 like they are.....
DATE ▼ TYPE GAME VENDOR BONUS BET WIN
2017090105102003312 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003311 2017-09-23 03:29 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD1.50
2017090105102003305 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003300 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
-
2017090105102002753 2017-09-23 03:10 Winning Gemix Play N Go

-
CAD70.70

ID DATE ▼ TYPE GAME VENDOR BONUS BET WIN
2017090105102003344 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
-
2017090105102003340 2017-09-23 03:30 Winning Gemix Play N Go

-
CAD3.00
2017090105102003336 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
-
2017090105102003331 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003327 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003323 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003322 2017-09-23 03:29 Winning Gemix Play N Go

-
CAD5.00
2017090105102003316 2017-09-23 03:29 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
DATE ▼ TYPE GAME VENDOR BONUS BET WIN
2017090105102003374 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
-
2017090105102003367 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
-
2017090105102003366 2017-09-23 03:30 Winning Gemix Play N Go

-
CAD2.00
2017090105102003360 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003356 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003355 2017-09-23 03:30 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD3.00
2017090105102003350 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003348 2017-09-23 03:30 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00 DATE ▼ TYPE GAME VENDOR BONUS BET WIN
2017090105102003405 2017-09-23 03:31 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD2.00
2017090105102003399 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003398 2017-09-23 03:31 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD4.00
2017090105102003393 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003390 2017-09-23 03:31 Winning Gemix Play N Go

-
CAD1.00
2017090105102003386 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003382 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003381 2017-09-23 03:31 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD2.00
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ID DATE ▼ TYPE GAME VENDOR BONUS BET WIN
2017090105102003435 2017-09-23 03:32 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD0.30
2017090105101995940 2017-09-22 23:06 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD0.50
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2017090105102003428 2017-09-23 03:32 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD0.60
2017090105102003424 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD2.00
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2017090105102003419 2017-09-23 03:31 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD2.50
2017090105102003412 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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2017090105102003411 2017-09-23 03:31 Winning Gemix Play N Go

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CAD1.00
2017090105102003407 2017-09-23 03:31 Bet Gemix Play N Go

CAD5.00
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[bebo67]

My balance is 42 cents
I know my betting habits. I would never bet that high if my balance was that low. I was at 80 dollars and something, I did a few more bets to round it off to 80.42 and went to bed, to wake up to 42 cents. I hate that they are making me feel like Im losing my mind Huge scare in breast cancer is that it spreads to your brain and that fear stays with you. This is the email that I sent to my VIP host not to long ago.
jennifer york <[email protected]>
6:17 PM (21 minutes ago)

to Terence
Sorry for the separated e-mails. Now if you go back to the start of my original play time when the bonus was played through, you will see I had a balance of 827 real money. My first game playing with that money was Dragon Shrine. Start calculating from that point on down to the very end when I logged off, and it will show a balance of 80. 42 cents. That money was in the lobby before I went to bed! And also the transaction numbers? Some are consistent, while others have at least 5 missing. Meaning it goes 1, 2,3,4,7,8,9,13.........That is all the money I had to play with, Im so upset right now. I never thought it would come to me not trusting you guys

 

[nikantw]

Old MG download has the perfect game history, it looks like this



and as you can see has everything in it.
Does new Golden Riviera have it? Can you take a screenshot of what they have?
Your text above doesn't show balance and is confusing.

 

[bebo67]

Thanks. I never thought of that! Here it is from the 70 dollar amount they are stuck on. Its like starting from point M instead of A.

 

[nikantw]

I can only see that the change in your balance from 03:09 - bed time is - CAD 9.90. I make the assumption that the wins come from the bet below them, for example the 70.70 win came from the 0.50 bet.

 

[bebo67]

I can only see that the change in your balance from 03:09 - bed time is - CAD 9.90. I make the assumption that the wins come from the bet below them, for example the 70.70 win came from the 0.50 bet.

So do you believe me? They are saying that the 42 cent balance in my account is correct and that I played it out. I will show you my balance in the lobby if you would like? Its suppose to be 80.42 cents. I dont know what to do if my VIP host goes with both supervisors.
Im glad Im not losing it and you actually calculated a balance above 42 cents as the final. Seriously.

 

[Tirilej]

So do you believe me? They are saying that the 42 cent balance in my account is correct and that I played it out. I will show you my balance in the lobby if you would like? Its suppose to be 80.42 cents. I dont know what to do if my VIP host goes with both supervisors.
Im glad Im not losing it and you actually calculated a balance above 42 cents as the final. Seriously.

It sounds like you should make a PAB immediately. Since they are running at MT Secure Trade then there are more people Max can turn to besides those from the casino. They will have to go to the bottom of this.
If you weren't drunk playing then there is no way in the world you could have lost that money without knowing it.

Good luck

 

[nikantw]

So do you believe me? They are saying that the 42 cent balance in my account is correct and that I played it out. I will show you my balance in the lobby if you would like? Its suppose to be 80.42 cents. I dont know what to do if my VIP host goes with both supervisors.
Im glad Im not losing it and you actually calculated a balance above 42 cents as the final. Seriously.

So was the win of 70.70 with a 0.50 bet? Nice!

Can you show the rest of the pages of transaction history, up until your deposit? Maybe we can figure out what happened.
It is your best chance, to show them your initial deposit and all transactions after that.
Did they agree with you at any point of the season about your current balance?
As Jono said their bonuses tend to disappear when you complete wagering.

 

[Jono777]

Only a thought, nothing more but does anyone else have access to your account details?

 

[vimala]

This usually happens at MT sites when you've taken a bonus and the balance disappears on the spin which completes the wagering.

Usually rectifies itself after 3 or 4 minutes.

@bebo. Don't let this one go, I know I wouldn't

That's not very reassuring Haven't played on an MT site lately, is this a new issue they're having?

 

[Jono777]

That's not very reassuring Haven't played on an MT site lately, is this a new issue they're having?

No, not at all, I play MT sites and (touch wood) never had any problems,

Just juggling ideas around my end to try and help OP explain what's happened, More toying with the idea that a family member had possibly played it with no malice intended. These things happen, especially if details saved via their browser etc.

 

[everyday]

Looking at the transaction report there is a 19 minute break between the $70 win and then the $5 bets start. The $70 win occurs at 3:10 then the spinning starts up again at 3:29..I doubt that was you so possibly someone hacked your account..but not sure what can be done about it if that's the case.

 

[bebo67]

Looking at the transaction report there is a 19 minute break between the $70 win and then the $5 bets start. The $70 win occurs at 3:10 then the spinning starts up again at 3:29..I doubt that was you so possibly someone hacked your account..but not sure what can be done about it if that's the case.

I was looking at the transaction numbers and there is numbers missing, some run 1,2,3 and then it jumps with 3-5 missing. I logged off at 11.32 pm canada time. They were able to see that. I dont know what it means that the numbers are missing?

 

[bebo67]

Only a thought, nothing more but does anyone else have access to your account details?

No. There is just my son and I and the report shows when I logged off.

 

[bebo67]

So was the win of 70.70 with a 0.50 bet? Nice!

Can you show the rest of the pages of transaction history, up until your deposit? Maybe we can figure out what happened.
It is your best chance, to show them your initial deposit and all transactions after that.
Did they agree with you at any point of the season about your current balance?
As Jono said their bonuses tend to disappear when you complete wagering.

I have 14 pages. If you want I can send them to your email, instead of bogging down the thread? I can do it on here too, but thats a lot of pages.

 

[bebo67]

With the screen shots I posted can you guys do the math from the 70 dollar win down to the last bet? So count bet, win and see if you come up with anything above 42 cents? Please.

 

[bebo67]

It sounds like you should make a PAB immediately. Since they are running at MT Secure Trade then there are more people Max can turn to besides those from the casino. They will have to go to the bottom of this.
If you weren't drunk playing then there is no way in the world you could have lost that money without knowing it.

Good luck

I dont drink What is MT Secure Trade? I am going to wait to hear from my VIP host and if he gives me the run around, then I will do a PAB. I hate to have to do that because I like these guys, but since they changed everything over, its gone to crap real quick.

 

[nikantw]

I have 14 pages. If you want I can send them to your email, instead of bogging down the thread? I can do it on here too, but thats a lot of pages.

Just PM me the next 3 pages + one from that season that shows your balance at the time. Maybe the one you completed wagering. I am thinking maybe something went wrong with the bonus, or with the wins. You have 15 wins, 15 times 5 bet = 75, almost 80.

 

[bebo67]

Just PM me the next 3 pages + one from that season that shows your balance at the time. Maybe the one you completed wagering. I am thinking maybe something went wrong with the bonus, or with the wins. You have 15 wins, 15 times 5 bet = 75, almost 80.

Those pages I posted where the last 5 pages. I will message you the before the 70 dollar win pages. Thanks! For some reason they are fixated on that 70 win, when there is bigger wins before then. Give me a couple of minutes. Thanks!

 

[bebo67]

Update

Just spent an hour on the phone with GR management. W e are showing 2 different reports. My play time, bets and wins are no where near the same as theres. I have sent screen shots while on the phone with them, and nothing matches up what so ever. So I have missing money and different reports. They are actually in a panic now, and have urgently marked it for tech team and I should know by tomorrow. I have no idea in what could of happened.

Afraid to play there now.

 

[Tirilej]

Just spent an hour on the phone with GR management. W e are showing 2 different reports. My play time, bets and wins are no where near the same as theres. I have sent screen shots while on the phone with them, and nothing matches up what so ever. So I have missing money and different reports. They are actually in a panic now, and have urgently marked it for tech team and I should know by tomorrow. I have no idea in what could of happened.

Afraid to play there now.

But it is good news since it mean that they have to investigate, and to believe you now.

At the same time it's sad of course but these things happen. It's just machines. Keep on being stubborn and it will be solved

 

[bebo67]

But it is good news since it mean that they have to investigate, and to believe you now.

At the same time it's sad of course but these things happen. It's just machines. Keep on being stubborn and it will be solved

Honestly I don't think these things just happen. None of my bets were the same as what it was showing on their side. And yes I am stubborn! On the plus side. Its good to know my mind is still in tact! I know thats debatable, but it did scare me.

 

[Tirilej]

Honestly I don't think these things just happen. None of my bets were the same as what it was showing on their side. And yes I am stubborn! On the plus side. Its good to know my mind is still in tact! I know thats debatable, but it did scare me.

Wait another 20 years when you will still believe your brain is working normally...but no one else around you

Of course these things not just happen, but no casino wants it to happen because such a rumour that they might be cheating can be devastating.
Also remember that the casino can't control their games. They are also relying on the game provider.

 

[bebo67]

Wait another 20 years when you will still believe your brain is working normally...but no one else around you

Of course these things not just happen, but no casino wants it to happen because such a rumour that they might be cheating can be devastating.
Also remember that the casino can't control their games. They are also relying on the game provider.

Sadly, I have to put this on the casino itself and not the provider. The money was showing in the casinos lobby when I went to bed, and gone when I logged back on the next day.

 

[Jasminebed]

Ask them to check the IP address from which your alleged play happened.

It's a few years ago, so finer details are gone, but I logged in to a casino account using my own details, and found myself in another user's account! Support seemed remarkedly unconcerned about it to be honest. Of course I did not play on the account, the fact it had a balance was what tipped me off it was not mine. I pointed out I could have played (I did not of course). Support's response was basically I could not have withdrawn to my account. Yeah, but I could have ran some poor guy's balance down to nothing.

Don't think that's the case here since other things seem wonky as well.

 

[Tirilej]

Sadly, I have to put this on the casino itself and not the provider. The money was showing in the casinos lobby when I went to bed, and gone when I logged back on the next day.

Well someone is providing the casino with game logs. It doesn't know what games you have played without checking.
That is why they have to ask them to investigate what have happened and where it went wrong. And their own tech people needs to check of course.
Jasminebeds explanation seems to be one option, that two players accounts got mixed up in some odd way. I'm sure they will solve it.

As a player we always keep a close eye to the amount of money we have, what size we play at and what winnings we get. If something had been wrong with your playing you would have noticed before you logged out. Especially since you were sober

 

[bebo67]

Well someone is providing the casino with game logs. It doesn't know what games you have played without checking.
That is why they have to ask them to investigate what have happened and where it went wrong. And their own tech people needs to check of course.
Jasminebeds explanation seems to be one option, that two players accounts got mixed up in some odd way. I'm sure they will solve it.

As a player we always keep a close eye to the amount of money we have, what size we play at and what winnings we get. If something had been wrong with your playing you would have noticed before you logged out. Especially since you were sober

See thats the thing, there was nothing wrong with my game play. I have a very distinct betting pattern.
What I do know. I have been working with computers since DOS days, I was right there when Microsoft came out with Word and Excel. My play check can not be manipulated unless there was something wrong with the program, and my play check shows exactly what I would of bet, it shows the two games I played. ( Gemix and Dragon Srine) and it shows exactly what time I logged off.
Their report shows exactly what two games I played and what time I logged off. Those things are correct BUT their report shows incorrect betting amounts. Amounts deleted, added etc. Their report shows that I played it out. And it doesnt show money missing.
So their report being an excel spread sheet can be manipulated. All you have to do is change the fields. Where as mine can't. I asked that they also check who was working that night. I hate thinking this way, and I hope I am wrong, but knowing computers the way I do, my gut is leaning that way.

 

[everyday]

See thats the thing, there was nothing wrong with my game play. I have a very distinct betting pattern.
What I do know. I have been working with computers since DOS days, I was right there when Microsoft came out with Word and Excel. My play check can not be manipulated unless there was something wrong with the program, and my play check shows exactly what I would of bet, it shows the two games I played. ( Gemix and Dragon Srine) and it shows exactly what time I logged off.
Their report shows exactly what two games I played and what time I logged off. Those things are correct BUT their report shows incorrect betting amounts. Amounts deleted, added etc. Their report shows that I played it out. And it doesnt show money missing.
So their report being an excel spread sheet can be manipulated. All you have to do is change the fields. Where as mine can't. I asked that they also check who was working that night. I hate thinking this way, and I hope I am wrong, but knowing computers the way I do, my gut is leaning that way.

Memories..do you remember Lotus? That was the first I used..had to learn formulas and too often I still use them today on Excel instead of the auto stuff..too old to teach an old dog new tricks lol..anyhow very glad to hear that they now agree that something serious is amiss and hope they find the answer soon.

 

[bebo67]

Memories..do you remember Lotus? That was the first I used..had to learn formulas and too often I still use them today on Excel instead of the auto stuff..too old to teach an old dog new tricks lol..anyhow very glad to hear that they now agree that something serious is amiss and hope they find the answer soon.

Omg Lotus! Simply Accounting, Acpac! I remember when Excel came out in 96-97? I went for my certificates, and failed it 3 freaking times! I literally broke down in tears. lol. The instructor was stunned and said " Jennifer I taught you DOS, this is easier then DOS, it does everything for you!" I knew how to do the cells, but the formulas? My brain got stuck on stupid. I finally passed and learned through using it, but to this day I still hate Excel. Yet I love coding!

 

[Steviedoo]

One time I went to bed with 5 cents in my rizk account and when I woke up the next day when I logged in.....there was close to ten million dollars in my account!!

They were pretty quick to look into it...and rectify that mistake!

As well one time at videoslots....I played some ainsworth game....and then moved on to some quickspin slot and I was betting 1$ on qs but was being deducted something like 6$... my balance quickly went from500$ to $200 in minutes....I alerted CS and said that my balance was disappearing....as you can imagine they must get complaints from losing players like this all the time.....my game play showed I was betting 5$ on the ainsworth game but mine was showing a 1$ on qs. CS did not believe me...As a matter some posters on here though I was lying too....i immediately posted on here and dan looked into it.

A malfunction with ainsworth games that resulted in vs not offering them until almost a year later ..

I don't know golden riviera....but maybe they will do the right thing as these malfunctions happen.

 

[Borgie]

So have you just got to wait for an investigation?

 

[Dinahnana]

I am interested to see how this situation plays out and I hope you get your money back Jennifer. What irks me about the situation is the flippant way support handled your case from the get go. When a player has an issue it should not take hours of phone calls and several e-mails and chat support talks in order to have the situation sent up the flagpole. This is badly done by Golden Riveria in my opinion. Again interested to see how this all plays out. Good luck Jennifer

 

[bebo67]

I had to wait until my VIP host came back yesterday from his weekend, and who ever sent it, didnt send it right so he started over and sent it to the right dept. I just received an e-mail minutes ago saying that the tech depart couldnt find any discrepancies and I played it out. I sent him a reply back asking why my report is different then theirs. Something to take note of. He threw in a few dollars of bonus money yesterday and this is what was showing on my play. Look at the amount in the right hand corner, and then look at the balance in the game. This was happening every spin and would straighten out after 5 spins or more.

 

[bebo67]

Im walking away, never to go back, and thats a shame. I will stick with VS.

 

[Dinahnana]

Im walking away, never to go back, and thats a shame. I will stick with VS.

Jennifer I think you are making a mistake. You need to fight this if you are correct. Since this casino just went multi-platform I am guessing they may have the same tech support guys who haven't received proper training in the new software. Submit a PAB as you have all the paperwork to bolster your claim. Believe me I have seen many software changes during my career and for the first year it was a very bumpy road dealing with the learning curve that the software brings. This could be just a case of the casino not having one clue about what is going on and instead of trying to get to the bottom of it they are fobbing you off. If they do it to you then they will do it to other players.

 

[goatwack]

Im walking away, never to go back, and thats a shame. I will stick with VS.

I know you tried to sort it, it's just annoying how the casino got away with it, and 'won'.

Who's to say this wasn't done on purpose, knowing that most players cannot be bothered to wait months to get clarification....

Cads!