Me no like InterCasino VP changes

[silcnlayc]

The verbal visualizations

and no i ain't licking nobody ass here

are most impressive

Tooo funny...

 

[paul1]

Just saying what I think

Casinomeister has top quality information about the gaming industry that we all love. This is a first rate site and the Boss seems like a class act. Do you guys remember when he has stood up for integrity against other people in this industry? I'm sure he could have sold out for big bucks long ago. And you're right, gfkostas, we're lucky he's helped so many and asks for nothing but a little civility on his forum.

This site is entertaining and the place to go to keep up on the news. The forum is good to read. I personally like the webcasts and am sorry that there seem to be fewer all the time. No doubt Bryan has his hands full, even with the helpful Vortran by his side. When I first learned of Casinomeister, a few years ago, I'll tell you, it was a big deal for me when the new webcast was up. I'm not kidding. That sounds funny, but I don't watch much television and it was kind of like my only entertainment. I really looked forward to it. Yes, I live a dull life, granted. I work a real job, come home and get on the computer and play, and that's about it. Dull!

Anyway, this is THE gambling site out there, and along with Wizard of Odds, I can spend hours and hours just reading. Whatta life.

 

[jetset]

Well said, gf.

IMV there has occasionally been a tendency for honest criticism of Bryan's running of this (privately owned) site to descend into rather hostile nit-picking lately, with some issues being blown out of proportion and even a little intolerance on display.

I believe that Paul's comment that Bryan has assisted many and asks for nothing but a little civility on his forum in return is something that bears repeating, too.


Examining the negative is important, but there has to be some balance too.

 

[scrollock]

as usual what has been a fascinating, informative & potentially productive thread has degenerated into personal battle between people.

for my tuppence worth anyway, how many other portal owners would of had the balls to take down such big names as 888.com & fortune lounge off their recommended list, not to mention the lost personal revenue ?

any chance we could get back on topic now ?

i believe the 100% tag is probably a genuine error, we see it all the time when things are updated, some other things that should be updated at the same time arn't. the difference is when its something that isn't updated that could be in a players favour, people keep quiet because it could be worth money to them. a good example of this is when a casino has a list of excluded games to make their bonuses slots & keno only, but a new game is launched, this game isn't put on the exlcuded list immediatly, everyone keeps quiet but then steams in to take advantage of what has now become a loophole in the T+C's.

but when its something that isn't in the players interest, then the casino must be "thieves" and "con artists"

however i'm still waiting for a justification on the deceptive marketing technique of calling the changes an "improvement"

 

[paul1]

a good example of this is when a casino has a list of excluded games to make their bonuses slots & keno only, but a new game is launched, this game isn't put on the exlcuded list immediatly, everyone keeps quiet but then steams in to take advantage of what has now become a loophole in the T+C's.

but when its something that isn't in the players interest, then the casino must be "thieves" and "con artists"

however i'm still waiting for a justification on the deceptive marketing technique of calling the changes an "improvement"

Ha! That's funny Scrollock. I think I did that once. I don't remember which Microgaming site, but when they introduced 3-card poker I took one up on a bonus promo and played that game. I knew it was only a matter of time before they exempted it. lol Shall I hang my head in shame? I don't think I'll lose any sleep over that. Let's face it. It's kind of a cat and mouse game. Players want to win, casinos want to win.

 

[gfkostas]

a good example of this is when a casino has a list of excluded games to make their bonuses slots & keno only, but a new game is launched, this game isn't put on the exlcuded list immediatly, everyone keeps quiet but then steams in to take advantage of what has now become a loophole in the T+C's.

but when its something that isn't in the players interest, then the casino must be "thieves" and "con artists"

 

[scrollock]

in response to the last 2 posters its attitudes like that why some casinos dont give players the respect they deserve.

 

[amandajm]

Well said, gf.

IMV there has occasionally been a tendency for honest criticism of Bryan's running of this (privately owned) site to descend into rather hostile nit-picking lately, with some issues being blown out of proportion and even a little intolerance on display.

I believe that Paul's comment that Bryan has assisted many and asks for nothing but a little civility on his forum in return is something that bears repeating, too.


Examining the negative is important, but there has to be some balance too.

Honest criticism of Bryan's running of - descending into hostile nit picking..

You know and I know, that when Caruso is having a good day, he is still a hedgehog. It is not hostility. It is like getting offended when an Australian starts every other sentence with "look".

That is why Bryan's warnings go unheeded. It is actually Caruso's prose that is the problem, not disrespect. "HOW" Caruso criticises in print, is his writing style. He has been posting the same forever. 2nd highest player poster worth.

Why would joey speak up?. Well the guy is barred forever in effect, because he can't change. That is here and WOL now. The 2 foremost casino gambling boards. This in fact, when you guys look back one day, will be a head-scratcher. This is no spammer I defend.

Much as I see all and understand all of the points made. This poster is not deservant of banishment.

If holding this opinion makes me an apologist, then I am sorry.

 

[paul1]

in response to the last 2 posters its attitudes like that why some casinos dont give players the respect they deserve.

Ha! When does any casino give players "respect"? Even a big spending "whale" is not really "respected". They call him "sir" and give him comps, because he's going to lose.

There's nothing wrong with what I said, Scrollock. A bit of a cat and mouse game. As long as players don't cheat, and as long as casinos don't deal seconds, everyone's happy. We want to win, and they want to win.

Discriminating and shopping for good deals is part of the fun. Why do casinos offer promotions? To give their money away? I don't think so. Sometimes casinos err in judgement and give deals that are too favorable to the player. Doesn't happen that often and usually doesn't last long. Casinos usually have a significant edge and if players ever enjoy an edge it's a small one. Either way, gambling should be fun. When it's not anymore, it's probably time to quit.

Sounds like you need a free cocktail, Scrollock.

 

[caruso]

I've heard from a credible source that the OLD paytable for Double Bonus has been accessed in the last 24 hours - and at Intercasino. This has to be a non-updated version.

The old paytable is 1,2,2,4,5,8,50,90,150 etc.

Can ANYONE still access this game? I'm absolutely sure the game was downgraded to the new paytable several months ago at all Cryptos, but I want confirmation I'm not dreaming.

If one or two people could take a lot and post what paytable you see, I'd appreciate it.

Menu = video poker / double bonus.

 

[Macgyver]

Can't get into the actual game itself since my balance is $0.00, but this might help ...

 

[tennis_balls]

true to life

the same payouts as the land based casinos and this is part of our way to make InterCasino as true to life as possible.

now there's one true to life feature I can survive without. however, it would be nice if you could send over a hottie cocktail waitress.

 

[tennis_balls]

i "assume" all cryptologic casinos have made this switch?

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

I was playing at Littlewoods today (cryptologic), they had the same pay table as Intercasino for this game.

 

[SuperGidget]

I'm sorry to ask, but what did they change in the pay scale to make it worse?

 

[caruso]

Thanks, Macgyver.

The Wiz's Crypto DB section was out of date, but when he re-checked it yesterday after my mentioning the fact, it didn't update initially and he appeared to play on the old version - which is why I was looking for confirmation I wasn't hallucinating about all this.

Anyway, all sorted: he got the update second time round and has now fixed the page:

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[paul02085]

I'm sorry to ask, but what did they change in the pay scale to make it worse?

I think they changed the royal payout (at max coin) from 4200 to 4000.

Also, i think they changed the 2 pair payout from 10 to 5.

I may be wrong on this though.

 

[caruso]

The old table:

JOB = 1
2 P = 2
3 OAK = 2
ST = 4
FL = 5
FH = 8
4 5s - Ks = 50
4 2s - 4s = 90
4 aces = 150
SF = 50
RF = 840

The new paytable:

JOB = 1
2 P = 1
3 OAK = 3
ST = 5
FL = 7
FH = 9
4 5s - Ks = 50
4 2s - 4s = 80
4 aces = 160
SF = 50
RF = 800

I've highlighted the killer.

This is a good example of standard casino trickology: pull an evil downgrade on a huge payline - in this case, two pair - then bump up other lines to make it look better - in this case, 3 OAK, st, FL and FH. The upgrades on those lower hands add very little, whereas the slaughter job on 2 pair knocks off fully 14%.

Just like the Deuces Wild trick - slide 4 OAK down from 5 to 4, then upgrade massively the low payout hands - like SF, from 9 to 13, as Microgaming does.

Generous, huh???????

Not really; the changes knock fully 4% off the paytable, reducing the full pay 100.76% to around 96%.

It's a really good example of how casinos think and operate, these VP sleight-of-hands: give it a nice glossy whitwash, but shovel the muck in threw the side door. Same as "single deck 21!!!!!!!!" plastered all over The Strip - you need to get close to the tables to notice "BJ pays 6:5".

I could go on, but will leave it there.

 

[Linus]

Ha! I read this whole thread before realizing it was three years out of date.

Good (I guess) to know things haven't changed much in all that time.

Glad you're still around, Caruso.

 

[caruso]

Ha! I read this whole thread before realizing it was three years out of date.

Three years?

This thread was started five months ago, late last year.

 

[Linus]

My bad. You know, CM walks a fine line here. On the one hand - as someone else pointed out - the players here don't directly pay CM anything. It's the casinos who pay the bills.

On the other hand, he owes the success of his site to the players, not the casinos. The only reason the casinos advertise here is because of his access to the players. Without the players, the casinos would have no interest.

Without his reputation as an advocate, this would be little different than the ten million and one banner farms that clutter up the internet. Indirectly, it's the players who pay for the site - by playing at the casinos. Ultimately, it's his rep that pays for everything.

At least, I hope that's how CM sees it.