Me no like InterCasino VP changes

[paul1]

Hey I just learned something pretty strange. According to what I'm reading, with this new 9-7 double bonus, if you are dealt AAA66, the right play is you should discard the pair of 6s. That's pretty different. Does anyone here think they could do it? Especially if you're playing for bigger stakes?

 

[gfkostas]

30 days for that! Wow and I thought my 2 day suspension was bad He was a bit harsh but is correct. It is wrong of them to do. And Inter is a top of the line casino. When will Ryan reply? This I wait to se....

I think there are a number of posts that gave him 30days and not just this post.

Interesting to see how swift intercasino will be

 

[the5thellement]

Whether Caruso's post is too strongly worded or not, one thing within it is completely true: Intercasino is lying and misleading players and this is not only unethical, but also unacceptable from a supposed leader in the industry.

Any casino has the right to change their paytable, but to blatently lie about it's payout and to tell the player that the payout is actually better then before is not right. This is misrepresentation pure and simple. In any regulated industry this would be noticed, changed and then punished, in the online casino world the punished is the one who brings it to light.

Sure Caruso's post was overbearing, but in this industry, being non-regulated, subtle comments are often overlooked and overbearing is often the only way to get noticed.

 

[paul1]

Any casino has the right to change their paytable, but to blatently lie about it's payout and to tell the player that the payout is actually better then before is not right. This is misrepresentation pure and simple. In any regulated industry this would be noticed, changed and then punished, in the online casino world the punished is the one who brings it to light.

Maybe they could "punish" Intercasino by not letting them give us our November bonus. Geez, I don't believe some of you guys. This casino has bent over backwards to treat its players well. They're always throwing out free money and promotions and Ryan himself sits next to you at the gaming table and hands you a C-note. Geez, and they pay fast. What else can you want? I think some mountains are being made out of mole hills.

 

[chuchu59]

Just I've received an email from Intercasino, in that they are "pleased" to announce they altered their Payout tables for "Double bonus" video poker as following:
Hand Payout Payout Payout Payout Payout

1 coin 2 coins 3 coins 4 coins 5 coins
Royal flush 250 500 750 1000 4000
Four Aces 160 320 480 640 800
Four of 2, 3, or 4 80 160 240 320 400
Straight flush 50 100 150 200 250
Four of a Kind 50 100 150 200 250
Full house 9 18 27 36 45
Flush 7 14 21 28 35
Straight 5 10 15 20 25
Three of a kind 3 6 9 12 15
Two Pairs 1 2 3 4 5
Jacks or Better 1 2 3 4 5


According to the new payout tables the total return is only 99.1065% (for old poyout table the return is 99.9367%). But the gold symbol "certified over 100% return" is always shown over the payout table.

what a dishonest casino!!!!!

If it still bears the certified over 100% return gold symbol,this is definitely wrong and entice those who take their monthly bonuses to play this game in the hope they would at least cash out their bonuses and deposits. It seems that this symbol should have been removed quite some time ago since the return has already been under 100% since it was 99.9376%. They should do the right thing and remove this immediately.

 

[ryan_hartley]

Dear Players,

Thank you for your feedback on the Double Bonus Video Poker payout changes. I would like to advise to all the players, that the payouts were reviewed by an independent Math wizard who specialises in the gaming industry. The changes that we have brought about are the same payouts as the land based casinos and this is part of our way to make InterCasino as true to life as possible.

With regards to the 'Certified Over 100& Return' symbols, I am looking into this matter with urgency and I would like to stress that we not attempting to mislead our players in the least. This was an error on our part, and for that I do sincerely apologise.

InterCasino is very conscious about ensuring that our players are treated fairly and ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts. Added to that, I personally ensure that we constantly reward our players for their loyalty.

Kind regards

Ryan Hartley
Manager - InterCasino

 

[Weedlayer]

...The changes that we have brought about are the same payouts as the land based casinos...

...ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts...

I can list 39 Las Vegas casinos that pay 10 for a full house and 7 for a flush with the rest of the paytable being the same as yours.

Thanks for joining in this thread Ryan.

 

[Weedlayer]

...Btw, I don't know if anyone else said it yet, but I think optimal strategy for this new 9-7 double bonus is WAY different than jacks-or-better strategy. Some intricate strategy differences and I think penalty cards, the whole works. And all that for 99.1. lol no thanks

All the different versions of Double Bonus are very, very difficult to play perfectly. Virtually no one who plays will achieve the stated return. That's why land based casinos are able to offer higher paying versions of DB than Intercasino is offering now.

 

[mary]

Video poker paytables have been cut back at the majority of land casinos.

Intercasino's marketing email and the "100%" medallion however are deceptive; the medallion would get a land operator in trouble with regulators.

Really, I'm surprised to see this at a casino of the size and caliber of Intercasino.

 

[CJack]

The last playable VP at IC is no more.

Really sad.

 

[CJack]

I am very surprised that IC went the low route when announcing this "upgrade". Also not having all the software correct at the launch of the "upgrade" smells of skullduggery.

You only remain #1 by your actions !!!
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[thelawnet]

Sorry, you feel miffed (upset), but I don't see this as cheating. Yes, it sucks that the payout table has changed - but that's just the way things go.

I agree that they have the right to change their paytable. This is fine, no problem, they could make them pay out 80%, as it is their casino.

However, sending out emails claiming to have improved the game when in fact what they have done is reduced the payout is wilfully deceptive. This is not acceptable in any way. Casinos must not set out to deceive their players.

 

[thelawnet]

Maybe they could "punish" Intercasino by not letting them give us our November bonus. Geez, I don't believe some of you guys. This casino has bent over backwards to treat its players well. They're always throwing out free money and promotions and Ryan himself sits next to you at the gaming table and hands you a C-note. Geez, and they pay fast. What else can you want? I think some mountains are being made out of mole hills.

This is all true, so why would they want to damage their goodwill by sending out deceptive emails? It doesn't make sense. Neither does it forgive sending people misleading emails.

 

[paul1]

This is all true, so why would they want to damage their goodwill by sending out deceptive emails? It doesn't make sense. Neither does it forgive sending people misleading emails.

I don't know, thelawnet. I think gamblers are typically just a little too sensitive. I don't really see this as a big deal. Like I said, I too am sorry to see that old double bonus become extinct. But times change, and I still think they were probably getting hammered on that. There's a lot of clever gamblers out there.

I think I mentioned in this thread that I probably wouldn't play this new version. But on second thought, it's probably not that bad, especially when they give you bonuses all the time.

Anyway, more and more I'm just playing regular poker now days. Poker rooms are not as sensitive about you winning money as are many casinos. I think my days of getting casino bonuses are about over. I currently have a dispute against another casino in another software and I just don't want to fight anyone. It leaves a bitter taste and I just want to have a good time gambling. Life's too short. I want to have fun, not fight.

Anyway, I know I've said it too many times already and it may get sickening. But Intercasino is GREAT, no matter what their double bonus pays. lol

 

[paul1]

All the different versions of Double Bonus are very, very difficult to play perfectly. Virtually no one who plays will achieve the stated return. That's why land based casinos are able to offer higher paying versions of DB than Intercasino is offering now.

Hi Weedlayer. Today, since the big hoopla over Intercasino's double bonus video poker, I've been reading up on the game. I found it interesting that if you play perfect jacks-or-better strategy on a 10-7 double bonus game, it actually returns 99.63%, which is better than regular 9-6 JOB. The book I'm reading says that if you just make a few adjustments you are almost at an even game.

Of course, that's for 10-7. So I'm guessing that if you just play JOB strategy on Intercasino's new game you would still be just a little under 99%

So it's not the end of the world.

I still find it fascinating that in this game it is correct to break two pair Aces-up, and draw three cards. Or that you should also break a dealt AAA55 and throw the pair away. Interesting, eh?

 

[phynqster]

Bryan,
I would like to put in thought here, not based on the thread, but based on Carusos comments and your banning of him.
I think it was a wrong call by you for a number of reasons. Firstly as an ex-casino manager who had definite major run ins with Caruso, I always felt he was speaking his mind and was able to listen to both sides of a story objectively. Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice. I do not think he has ever been the cause of casino operators not to respond, he is just one of many who jump on a bandwagon. I applaud you on your recent efforts to try and enforce the rule of posters contacting the casino first before posting, but it is too little to late. If you truly wanted that, than you would lock a thread as soon as it is posted for 24 hours to make sure the casino is informed, and we all know that wont happen and shouldnt. This is a forum, a meeting of the minds, and as long as someone is not using this forum for a personal gain, than they should get to speak their mind, and we as the readers should get to decide what and who we approve and disapprove of. I hope you take a minute and reconsider your decision.

 

[thelawnet]

Hi Weedlayer. Today, since the big hoopla over Intercasino's double bonus video poker, I've been reading up on the game. I found it interesting that if you play perfect jacks-or-better strategy on a 10-7 double bonus game, it actually returns 99.63%, which is better than regular 9-6 JOB. The book I'm reading says that if you just make a few adjustments you are almost at an even game.

Of course, that's for 10-7. So I'm guessing that if you just play JOB strategy on Intercasino's new game you would still be just a little under 99%

So it's not the end of the world.

I still find it fascinating that in this game it is correct to break two pair Aces-up, and draw three cards. Or that you should also break a dealt AAA55 and throw the pair away. Interesting, eh?

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Given the difficulty of play, I would be surprised if many people got an actual return above 99%. With the next best game their woeful 98.3% Jacks or Better, serious video poker players (or at least the clued-up players not fooled by the emails where they lie about having improved their game when they have actually made it worse) will go elsewhere.

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

 

[largeeyes]

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Given the difficulty of play, I would be surprised if many people got an actual return above 99%. With the next best game their woeful 98.3% Jacks or Better, serious video poker players (or at least the clued-up players not fooled by the emails where they lie about having improved their game when they have actually made it worse) will go elsewhere.

I believe the other Cryptologic casinos still offer the old paytable, so William Hill and the like should get extra business, now that Intercasino has the dubious honour of having probably the worst paying video poker on the internet.

Not to jump to Intercasino's defense, but I think Slotland still holds that honor.

 

[paul1]

full pay double bonus poker is 100.17% payout. This is not the game intercasino offered. They had 99.94% payout, but with a weird paytable that paid 2 coins for 2 pairs (normally you would get one).

My guess would be that the new game is more difficult to play than the old.

Yes, it is more difficult. I was just saying how I read what would happen if you employed jacks-or-better strategy.

On the old Crypto "Double Bonus", it worked quite well. On true 10-7 Double Bonus, according to what I was reading, it would net 99.63.

So I'm going to guess that if one employs JOB strategy on this new 9-7 Double Bonus, you'd still be in about the 98.60 range. Not the end of the world. Fine tune it a little bit and easily come up to 99.00%.

I'm still inclined to continue playing more real poker (holdem) and less casino games. It's easier to make money.

 

[Casinomeister]

Bryan,
I would like to put in thought here, not based on the thread, but based on Carusos comments and your banning of him.
I think it was a wrong call by you for a number of reasons. Firstly as an ex-casino manager who had definite major run ins with Caruso, I always felt he was speaking his mind and was able to listen to both sides of a story objectively. Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice. I do not think he has ever been the cause of casino operators not to respond, he is just one of many who jump on a bandwagon. I applaud you on your recent efforts to try and enforce the rule of posters contacting the casino first before posting, but it is too little to late. If you truly wanted that, than you would lock a thread as soon as it is posted for 24 hours to make sure the casino is informed, and we all know that wont happen and shouldnt. This is a forum, a meeting of the minds, and as long as someone is not using this forum for a personal gain, than they should get to speak their mind, and we as the readers should get to decide what and who we approve and disapprove of. I hope you take a minute and reconsider your decision.

Hi Phynqster,

You may think it was wrong, but after you understand that I have warned Caruso countless times to mellow out - he refuses to do so. If you check out his profile, and read some of his postings and my warnings over the last year or two, you'll see that I have been more than patient with him.

In my opinion, he shows little respect for this board and for the members here as well. This I won't tolerate - simple as that.

Yes he is hot headed and speaks first before all facts are in, but he does not do it with malice.

This is okay - this happens - we all do this at one time or another. But when this happens with most postings, then it is time to take a break - especially if one is warned repeatedly to knock it off. A camel's back can only withstand so many straws...

 

[CJack]

Summary:

IC lowered the paytable by about 0.8%.
A very large amount for serious vp poker players.

They announce the change as an upgrade - which smells like a long dead fish.
Fitting for rogue casinos - but IC ?
What's changing at IC ??

They keep up their "over 100" icons which is falde advertising.
Fitting for rogue casinos - but IC ?
What's changing at IC ??

Caruso is banned for 30 days for telling the truth but typing in an unappreciated style. I use unappreciated because I like his style but I do not set the standards for this forum.

 

[spearmaster]

I'm leaning towards this being a silly mistake more than anything else. I just can't see Intercasino setting out to do this deliberately. I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

As for the email, I haven't personally seen it yet. I would like to see the exact wording myself before saying anything further there.

 

[Casinomeister]

...With regards to the 'Certified Over 100& Return' symbols, I am looking into this matter with urgency and I would like to stress that we not attempting to mislead our players in the least. This was an error on our part, and for that I do sincerely apologise.
InterCasino is very conscious about ensuring that our players are treated fairly and ensuring that our software pays out industry equal or higher amounts. Added to that, I personally ensure that we constantly reward our players for their loyalty.

I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

Exactly. This is not some clip joint trying to intentionally deceive players. It's a poorly worded email (which I haven't seen either - and I'm a big time VP player there) and an issue about some 100% certifications that need to be removed -- which in fact have been there for quite a while. I never paid them much attention.

I agree with Spear - it's a silly mistake, but not one for grabbing the pitchforks and torches.

 

[KasinoKing]

I'm leaning towards this being a silly mistake more than anything else. I just can't see Intercasino setting out to do this deliberately. I have seen silly mistakes on other software platforms as well (many of which I caught myself), and as far as I know all were resolved quite quickly - so my opinion would be that everyone chill out a bit and give Intercasino a chance to fix that problem.

As for the email, I haven't personally seen it yet. I would like to see the exact wording myself before saying anything further there.

Yep, agreed. Silly mistake is all it is.
Just like advertising the new Bejewelled slot as a 9-line when it's actually 10 (See my 'Are Intercasino drunk?' thread).
OK, they're getting a bit sloppy these days, but 'lying' & deliberately trying to 'cheat' players? I think these terms are a little harsh.
I'm with Paul - give em a break, and a little time. They will sort out this error.

Oh, and who added that stupid poll to this thread, with only the one-sided questions?
How about 'They were paying out over 100% so changed it quickly to correct this, but forgot to change the graphics'!
(No excuse for the 'upgrade' e-mail thou )

 

[jetset]

I agree with KK and Spear here...my feel is that this is a screw-up rather than an attempt to deliberately deceive players with malice aforethought.

It was silly and there is real justification for criticism in regard to the 100 percent still being up and of course the statement that the game has improved from a player's perspective when it hasn't, but I honestly don't believe Intercasino is crooked.

It's typical of perhaps a VP knowledge challenged marketing guy trying to put a positive spin on what he has been told is an upgrade. Unsatisfactory, I know but it happens.