Lucky 247 - bonus terms concerns

[vinylweatherman]

Progressives are pooled together from all players across the network, so once hit, they just pay it out, no loss to the casino whatsoever. I'm relieved they don't, I think we all remember the Playtech horror show. Still doesn't make the situation here any better obviously.

It's more like a case of the game provider won't allow it (except for Playtech of course) ) so the casino HAVE to exclude progressives from the term. However, it could have unintended consequences in that the ONLY way a player can win big and be sure to keep it is to play a progressive and aim for the jackpot, and if their balance ever goes above the 6x deposit ceiling, just keep hammering away at the progressive till they can withdraw and keep the lot.
This could be a problem for the casino because their contribution to the network pool is based on turnover, not the losses, So if a player manages to make the WR on a bonus, the casino have probably lost a great deal more in network contributions. Normally, players tend to avoid progressives when trying to make WR as the base game RTP is lower due to the charge made per spin for the jackpot, hence less chance of making the WR, but also no risk of having non progressive wins confiscated when they get lucky. By imposing this 6x limit, playing a progressive becomes a far more attractive option for players, and if a significant number switch their play so as to avoid falling into the 6x trap, the casino will no longer be able to absorb the pool payments.

The fact that a player has now had this term used on them, and been told that it's actually "always imposed", this has moved from a term that most players don't have to worry about as "normal" players will not be targeted, to a case where ALL players will have this imposed on any large win.

 

[ugaboga]

Why do they continue to be accredited here despite having a despicable roguish term like this? This term and along with their 'style of play assessment' term should be enough to dump them from being accredited.

 

[Casino2014man]

The internet has hundreds of complaints about this lot..

Always stripping players of their funds for stupid reasons

 

[vinylweatherman]

Another quality story, could fill CM with 'gambling tales' never mind just this thread!

Me and my 'gambling buddy' are still close mates today and no matter how 'hard we try' find our conversations regularly heading to the 'days of old' when machine had the various skill elements and features etc.

In reference to the BFM 'skill climbs' the best 2 memories I have were Wolverhampton Train Station (they had 'Cash Force (ironic name) and some traffic light type machine) with the 'traffic' through the station we could usually hit them daily, sometimes twice.

However the very best was when the travelling funfair came to West Park for some sort of 'event' there was a big arcade set up there full of these skill machines.

I never got very good at them but my mate was sh*t hot, at the fair the skills were so slow it was like a dream come true, I had to start them off as they were so slow and he was used to the faster speeds he kept pressing too early to start with.

By the time we left (about £200 in profit) the skills were at max speed and we'd moved onto the newer machines and 'caught' the Road Hog and Monopoly Streaks too. Made a sharp exit as I got paranoid that we'd 'robbed' the wrong people, still went back the following year to major disappointment that our 'cash points' had been replaced by an array of Bar-X type machines and 'Roll Up's

Reminds me of Blackpool pleasure beach.

I went from one to the next right through the arcade, and on the second to last one near the exit I heard "Mr White would like you to leave now". Mr White was clearly adept at shutting stable doors when the horse was already out in the field

 

[maxd]

@ player82 : You've posted two threads in as many days on the same subject. That's called "cross-posting" and you'll find in the Posting Rules that it's a no-no. Please don't do this again.

Also, we normally don't delete threads. Please see Deleting Posts in the forum FAQ.

 

[lammersef]

Funny but I already posted about EXACTLY the same term at casino-mate.com (also accredited here)
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...s-x6-deposit-limit-on-winnings.66951/?t=66951

 

[Dinahnana]

Reminds me of Blackpool pleasure beach.

I went from one to the next right through the arcade, and on the second to last one near the exit I heard "Mr White would like you to leave now". Mr White was clearly adept at shutting stable doors when the horse was already out in the field

I love these stories Maybe you could start a thread with Jonmincher, maybe call it tales of yore! Great read I am sure.

 

[Gemma A]

Why are they even Accredited... on here beats me ?

 

[Casinomeister]

Why are they even Accredited... on here beats me ?

I've asked the casino to review and reconsider this term. It's the beginning of the weekend, so there may not be any response until early next week.

 

[Gemma A]

I've asked the casino to review and reconsider this term. It's the beginning of the weekend, so there may not be any response until early next week.

great :notworthy

 

[Dinahnana]

I've asked the casino to review and reconsider this term. It's the beginning of the weekend, so there may not be any response until early next week.

Hopefully they will see sense New players that get stung with this clause wouldn't remain customers for long I should think. Happy players are returning players.

 

[Jakestar]

Hopefully they will see sense New players that get stung with this clause wouldn't remain customers for long I should think. Happy players are returning players.

Exactly. First deposit bonuses are meant to be awesome so that you feel awesome, which in turn would increase the likelihood that I'll return, or best case become a regular.

Those first deposit bonus does none of those, and then spits in your face. Marketing, you're doing it wrong.

 

[nikantw]

Even if one wins more than 6x dep and they let him take it all, chances are he will return and play them all back! I know I have!

 

[Jono777]

I love these stories Maybe you could start a thread with Jonmincher, maybe call it tales of yore! Great read I am sure.

good to hear - I'm well up for it, got some great variety to tell too , have to see what VWM thinks, I think others would join in also .

 

[Dinahnana]

good to hear - I'm well up for it, got some great variety to tell too , have to see what VWM thinks, I think others would join in also .

Yeah those stories are great. Loads of fun to read:notworthy

 

[vinylweatherman]

good to hear - I'm well up for it, got some great variety to tell too , have to see what VWM thinks, I think others would join in also .

Might as well. It's so long ago that the secrets can be revealed without risking damage to player profitability

 

[Jono777]

Might as well. It's so long ago that the secrets can be revealed without risking damage to player profitability

Yes definatley!! - Back in 'the day' there's no way I'd reveal anything, would be like giving cash away if I did! I'll have a 'think' so I don't start thread by repeating myself and get the ball rolling over the weekend (if I don't forget or my deposits actually last for a while )

 

[Dinahnana]

Yes definatley!! - Back in 'the day' there's no way I'd reveal anything, would be like giving cash away if I did! I'll have a 'think' so I don't start thread by repeating myself and get the ball rolling over the weekend (if I don't forget or my deposits actually last for a while )

Looking forward to it

 

[Casinomeister]

I've been in touch with the casino and the following sentence: "This clause will only be applied at the discretion of casino management." is slated to be removed from the terms. Kudos to the reps.

Changed the title from "...A WARNING!!!" to " - bonus terms concerns".

 

[Tirilej]

I've been in touch with the casino and the following sentence: "This clause will only be applied at the discretion of casino management." is slated to be removed from the terms. Kudos to the reps.

Changed the title from "...A WARNING!!!" to " - bonus terms concerns".

Great that they will remove that clause, but to me that wasn't so important.

What is important is if they now will have that rule for everyone to follow, meaning they will pay only 6x the deposit amount to every new player and then confiscate the rest of the winnings if they have used a bonus? In that case they can remove the Welcome bonus because it's one of the worst there is.

...or have I misunderstood and the whole rule is removed?

 

[mac72]

Great that they will remove that clause, but to me that wasn't so important.

What is important is if they now will have that rule for everyone to follow, meaning they will pay only 6x the deposit amount to every new player and then confiscate the rest of the winnings if they have used a bonus? In that case they can remove the Welcome bonus because it's one of the worst there is.

...or have I misunderstood and the whole rule is removed?

I thought the same thing? Does removing the clause now mean it applies across the board ? If thats the case where is the benefit?

 

[vinylweatherman]

I thought the same thing? Does removing the clause now mean it applies across the board ? If thats the case where is the benefit?

The benefit comes from those players who don't spot the term, and believe that provided they stick to the playing rules for their bonus, they won't run into a problem if they win big.

For those that do spot it, this casino is now more like RTG and Rival, which often have max cashouts on even deposit bonsues. Most other casinos, where they have max cashouts, tend only to impose a limit when giving away free chips, not when players have deposited.

The chances of winning more than 6x the initial deposit are not that low, so there will be a steady stream of players that get caught out by this, and a few will lose significant sums from their win.

 

[Casinomeister]

What is important is to remove anything arbitrary like "This clause will only be applied at the discretion of casino management". That's what I found unacceptable.

Bonuses are not obligatory, and there are quite a few players that never or seldom take them. If you don't like the bonus terms, then do not accept the bonus. If you agree to the terms then take it. It's simple as that.

As long as bonus terms are clear and not vague, then it should not be an issue right?

 

[mac72]

What is important is to remove anything arbitrary like "This clause will only be applied at the discretion of casino management". That's what I found unacceptable.

Bonuses are not obligatory, and there are quite a few players that never or seldom take them. If you don't like the bonus terms, then do not accept the bonus. If you agree to the terms then take it. It's simple as that.

As long as bonus terms are clear and not vague, then it should not be an issue right?

Agreed, it removes the ambiguity and the potential for argument.

 

[Tirilej]

What is important is to remove anything arbitrary like "This clause will only be applied at the discretion of casino management". That's what I found unacceptable.

Bonuses are not obligatory, and there are quite a few players that never or seldom take them. If you don't like the bonus terms, then do not accept the bonus. If you agree to the terms then take it. It's simple as that.

As long as bonus terms are clear and not vague, then it should not be an issue right?

In a way you're of course right and we always tell all players to read the bonus terms.
In this case it's an offer to a new player. A new player who's not familiar with terms of bonuses or casino offers at all. It's like VWM said, it's them who don't understand the rules that will be caught out on this. The rest will never take it because they know it's a really bad offer.

What you made them remove was great, but still I like to warn players that this casino do not have any good Welcome bonus