New Slot Announcement LIL' DEVIL by Big Time Gaming...

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Of course that is possible , it's only seven spins. I always go for dynamite lover. I have a feeling I'm one of the few that likes the game.

I’ve had hundreds of terrible bonuses on DHV but I’m not sure I’ve ever had one pay nothing.

My record on bonanza is 12p from an 80p stake.

I’ve had decimal point X wins but not sure I can ever recall a complete 0 X.

 

[joerdj]

I’ve had hundreds of terrible bonuses on DHV but I’m not sure I’ve ever had one pay nothing.

My record on bonanza is 12p from an 80p stake.

I’ve had decimal point X wins but not sure I can ever recall a complete 0 X.

Lets say the hitrate is 25 % , then there is a change of 75% procent you hit nothing. Then 7 spins is 0.75^7=0.1334 %. The hitrate will probably be a bit higher ( reel 2 and 3 wild =100% hitrate )with the wilds and stuff. But in theory a 0x bonus is completely possible unless there is some kind of bonus guarantee. On opal fruit a had a 0.24 cent win on a bonus with a 0.60 bet.

 

[Kroffe]

I dont understand why people hate on this slot.
Its basically a money-printing machine.
All this took was a couple hours of constant spinning, and a well above average heartstopper-bonus, and now im laughing all the way to the bank with my €1,5 profit.

 

[goatwack]

I think a lot of doubters will be eating humble pie after that

 

[Kroffe]

I think a lot of doubters will be eating humble pie after that

They better.. Its either that or a knuckle sandwich!

 

[sledge13]

How do I give up now though, no wins over 120x over 2k and 50p spins (50p!!!!!)

These slots are tested no? and it says 96.4% RTP so when does this happen?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think you've got to get your head around just how volatile some of BTG's output is, and how scummy their paytables are.

In the case of Lil' Devil the only way to really hit in the basegame is with the wilds, but they don't land very often AND connect with something.

Then you've got stupidly volatile features that can pay bugger all time and time again, along with the chase mechanic feature that'll have hundreds of times your stake off you to trigger, and cheerfully pay back 12x.

One real cash session on this was enough for me, straight on the banned list.

There's a way to do high volatility slots right, and this isn't it. I appreciate there's only so much RTP to shuffle around, but it seems to me that there's a yawning chasm in BTG's output where the 100-500x stake wins should be.

That said, put a billion spins through it and it'll return 96.4% to you, same as any other slot that's got a 96.4% RTP.

 

[joerdj]

I think you've got to get your head around just how volatile some of BTG's output is, and how scummy their paytables are.

In the case of Lil' Devil the only way to really hit in the basegame is with the wilds, but they don't land very often AND connect with something.

Then you've got stupidly volatile features that can pay bugger all time and time again, along with the chase mechanic feature that'll have hundreds of times your stake off you to trigger, and cheerfully pay back 12x.

One real cash session on this was enough for me, straight on the banned list.

There's a way to do high volatility slots right, and this isn't it. I appreciate there's only so much RTP to shuffle around, but it seems to me that there's a yawning chasm in BTG's output where the 100-500x stake wins should be.

That said, put a billion spins through it and it'll return 96.4% to you, same as any other slot that's got a 96.4% RTP.

Just don't chase that hearts , do a few spins now and again and see the enchanted feature as a bonus.

How do I give up now though, no wins over 120x over 2k and 50p spins (50p!!!!!)

These slots are tested no? and it says 96.4% RTP so when does this happen?

Just don't chase that hearts , do a few spins now and again and see the enchanted feature as a bonus not as the holy grail as the want you to believe


Sorry double quoted

 

[Jono777]

No foil hatting, and I swore I'd never use the 'R' word on here again. However I have serious doubts over how close TRTP and actual RTP are these days and not just with BTG either.

Too long in the tooth to convince myself everything is as it should be.

the only thing I can come up with is something along the lines of.....

few years ago: 1,000 players = 500 winners, 500 losers
nowadays = 50 bigger winners, 950 more regular losers

anyway, work time..............

 

[joerdj]

No foil hatting, and I swore I'd never use the 'R' word on here again. However I have serious doubts over how close TRTP and actual RTP are these days and not just with BTG either.

Too long in the tooth to convince myself everything is as it should be.

the only thing I can come up with is something along the lines of.....

few years ago: 1,000 players = 500 winners, 500 losers
nowadays = 50 bigger winners, 950 more regular losers

anyway, work time..............

Thats ultra high variance.... They just changed the maths. A 20.000x win probably eats up a lot of RTP, but the chance of hitting that is really low which in turn will result in that most people will not hit the TRTP

 

[greylady]

My first experience of this slot made me never want to play it again, it's boring beyond belief, couple that with the thousands and thousands of spins it takes to trigger a bonus in Bonanza that you just know is going to be s***e and to crown it all yesterday I got a zero win on Donuts, BTG is fast becoming a very very last resort for me.

Maybe BTG's profits have been hit hard with having to remove their bonus buy features and are trying to make that shortfall up through their games for their profit margins for the year end

 

[Nicola]

Christ this game today. £820.66 to collect all the hearts at £1 stake.

Paid 8x.

 

[sledge13]

Christ this game today. £820.66 to collect all the hearts at £1 stake.

Paid 8x.

I feel your pain, but then we carry on to get the RTP? maybe they have switched it off because of the bonus buy ban!

I will never play another BTG slot after this, and won't fall for any of the Dunover hype of the next release.

 

[goatwack]

I see many bemoan this game's atrocious returns, meanwhile losing x y z on it, on the promise of that 'amazing potential'.

Simply playing (or should that be paying) into the hands of BTG, who simply do not care, and are probably laughing all the way to the bank now that they've hoodwinked everyone AGAIN

 

[Jono777]

Thats ultra high variance.... They just changed the maths. A 20.000x win probably eats up a lot of RTP, but the chance of hitting that is really low which in turn will result in that most people will not hit the TRTP

Exactly my point/thoughts

Spread the RTP (as it appeared to be for years and years) = good feedback, happy players, returning business etc etc - also worked with HV games such as the time served Immortal Romance as a great example.

Nowadays the shift is towards thru the outer hemisphere with regards to the ultra HV you speak of, sod Joe Average and his merry Men* just make sure 1 or 2 players scoop a five figure 'x' hit per month.

* or variations thereof

 

[joerdj]

Exactly my point/thoughts

Spread the RTP (as it appeared to be for years and years) = good feedback, happy players, returning business etc etc - also worked with HV games such as the time served Immortal Romance as a great example.

Nowadays the shift is towards thru the outer hemisphere with regards to the ultra HV you speak of, sod Joe Average and his merry Men* just make sure 1 or 2 players scoop a five figure 'x' hit per month.

* or variations thereof

Yeah and those hits eat a tremendous amount of RTP

 

[CertaCas]

This slot is certainly not for everyone. I'm almost done with it as it's eating my 12K win with alarming ease, even at much lower stakes than €2,5 ... The thing is that your risk of ruin is enormous with this slot. If you don't connect with the angels in the base game you basically run at 20-25% RTP. This can go on for hours on end. It is also not uncommon to whiff feature after feature after feature, never getting a >100x win. Even with the best symbol (9) it's not uncommon to only get 1 or even 0 wilds in 7 spins. This whole cocktail of ultra high variance means that you need a huge bankroll if you want to chase the >2.000x wins. I've had 1 occasion where I had a lucky 207x win on €5 (I do a couple of €5 spins in between my regular stakes occasionally just for this reason) and still managed to end at a loss on my €1,5 heartstopper cycle. That's pretty insane right?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Exactly my point/thoughts

Spread the RTP (as it appeared to be for years and years) = good feedback, happy players, returning business etc etc - also worked with HV games such as the time served Immortal Romance as a great example.

Nowadays the shift is towards thru the outer hemisphere with regards to the ultra HV you speak of, sod Joe Average and his merry Men* just make sure 1 or 2 players scoop a five figure 'x' hit per month.

* or variations thereof

How is that any different to DOA2 though? Most high noon bonuses pay 0-10x yet that game is loved by many on here.

I personally don't get the BTG hate, there are two providers my biggest wins have come from...Play n Go and BTG. I've had multiple 1000x + hits on BTG. If you choose to play highly volatile games, 90% of the time you'll bust with no return. It is how it is.

I personally find Pragmatic and Yggdrasil much worse than BTG but each to their own!

 

[sledge13]

I've played DOA2 loads and would never hit this same run so fast at the equivalent 0.45 spin

Not had a wild line yet but had 1000x 500x wins etc on DOA2 and not even played it that much.

Lil Devil and BTG are simply a disgrace, the BTG love in is over...stop giving each of their new releases so much hype on here aswell.

 

[sledge13]

They have got very very greedy, it plays 1000x worse than Danger High Voltage

 

[Jono777]

How is that any different to DOA2 though? Most high noon bonuses pay 0-10x yet that game is loved by many on here.

I personally don't get the BTG hate, there are two providers my biggest wins have come from...Play n Go and BTG. I've had multiple 1000x + hits on BTG. If you choose to play highly volatile games, 90% of the time you'll bust with no return. It is how it is.

I personally find Pragmatic and Yggdrasil much worse than BTG but each to their own!

I don't hate BTG, in fact when I don't bust in 5 minutes, I play them most sessions, My post was generalised about the whole player experience in recent times, its maybe just coincidental that BTG had their huge impact on the market the same time the "quicker busts" arrived.

As for DoA II, this game ADVERTISES the fact in the volatility range, a bit like Jungle Spirit does with its win often / win big markers.

Sure the providers you mention are awful and worse than BTG, along with many others.

Novo's are generally considered to be HV/VHV but on average deliver much better playtime and hold the balance more often than any we've mentioned so far, also they've remained popular for years, if they can do it, why not the others?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I've played DOA2 loads and would never hit this same run so fast at the equivalent 0.45 spin

Not had a wild line yet but had 1000x 500x wins etc on DOA2 and not even played it that much.

Lil Devil and BTG are simply a disgrace, the BTG love in is over...stop giving each of their new releases so much hype on here aswell.

Yes but I can counter that by saying I've played DOA and DOA2 plenty and can count on 1 hand the amount of 100x+ hits I've had. No joke. That's gambling. With HV games the many are robbed to pay the few.

 

[joerdj]

They have got very very greedy, it plays 1000x worse than Danger High Voltagel

In theory it will still pay 96.xx So in theory that's higher then the expected return on DHV (which is something like 95.xx

 

[goatwack]

I think BTG filled the gap in the market for HV jinks to initially cater to a niche audience.

Along came Bonanza's success, and their subsequent games have gone into the super-HV cosmos. Maybe they're just doing what they've always set out to do and the little fry (us) expect too much

God that felt dirty typing that

 

[Mr_Slot5]

@Jono777 I've has some of my worst runs on Novo, absolutely brutal. Money gone in minutes doing 10p-20p bets. As with any HV slot you have to catch them in the 'mood' and that mood doesn't come often!