New Slot Announcement LIL' DEVIL by Big Time Gaming...

[CertaCas]

I've had "enhanced" features with only 1 wild in be my angel for 4.5x on the one end and a regular be my angel bonus with 9's and a double retrigger (1 angel) for 2146x on the other end. Lizard, supposedly the worst symbol in both regular and enhanced bonuses gave me a retrigger the most often, go figure. Actually, I think we should revisit the rankings because what seems to be most important is how the symbols are stacked on the reels, not just how often they appear. Especially symbol + heart pairings can be insanely good in the enhanced bonus, no matter the symbol, you just need to get lucky for them to land.

As far as volatility goes, this thing is something else. I've had 5x, 12x, 17x, 31x, 7x bonuses in a row, including enhanced ones. When you miss the double angel spins in the base game it'll easily eat 700x stake for a horrible bonus. A single good double angel spin can give it all back though. But they're rare, since the missed 12x 12x spin on the first day I haven't seen anything higher than 8x 12x, luckily that one hit. Perhaps we should treat it more like DoA II and play at below €0,50 chasing the double angel retrigger for a gazillion spins. All these ~2000x wins you see everywhere get multiplied by ~10 (or more) for the lucky few.

 

[Reelsoffun]

It is kind of frustrating to end up with a paltry x-bet after chasing/filling up the enhanced feature meter for hours..
Definitely not reccomendable to go bonkers on, but of course there are also the rare instances where this happens:

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Basically started on 10 cent, hit that monster and decided to fill er up one more time at 20 cents, and got another 2600x

Amazing run and very happy with that of course, but let's just say most of that cashout has been taken back with abhorrent ease, mostly by the same slot

Out of interest which one was these the angel or Dynamite lover?

Im guessing angel as thats the higher RTP one....

 

[incrediblestuff]

Absolutely always going to go for the extra wild symbol..
I don't feel the other one is actually much of an enhacement

 

[goatwack]

I actually played this pile of wank excellent new release just the other day after Bonanza wouldn't load.

I was rather bemused by an early double-middle-reeled wonder hit after about three spins, where 60 pence bagged me a mighty £55 or so.

"Why all the hate for this game guy" I mused

About 200 auto-spins later I managed to be down on my original balance and whimpered outta there quicker than you could say "Ponzi"

Awful money hoover game that's gonna get a lodda people in financial trouble, chasing that 'potential'

It makes DHV seem looser than the Whore of Babylon after a pub crawl. Avoid this utter shite

 

[lotusch]

Absolutely always going to go for the extra wild symbol..
I don't feel the other one is actually much of an enhacement

Gratz on those hits mate , what are the odds on a BTG slot to get two mega wins in a row...
Not for me, banned this slot...

Piece of crap so it is.

To actually take 300x + stake away all the times for the "ENHANCED" feature and then fob me off with 20xish is just plain evil.

 

[sledge13]

So please the next pre BTG slot hype can we maybe just say it will be terrible like the last few?

1000s more spins, not one win over 50x and loads of the "enhanced" feature, this is a truly criminal slot.

I have had 2000x, 1000x, 500x on DOA 2 and never even feels as dead as this slot.

 

[sufferinsilence]

So please the next pre BTG slot hype can we maybe just say it will be terrible like the last few?

Next ones are already lined up, big hype is just around the corner

 

[Kroffe]

50x down, 2 hearts collected.
Bye Lil devil, see you never again!

Edit: Still hyped for Btg:s monopoly slot.

 

[smart_croatia]

wow just wow, somehow I manage to not get one foking bonus!!! when collecting hearts , it took me several bullets and days and today i got "special" bonus 2x what a joke

 

[colinsunderland]

Next ones are already lined up, big hype is just around the corner

The rep posted on here today so must be very close to a release

 

[CertaCas]

Double retrigger [X]
Triple retrigger [X]
Quadruple retrigger [ ]
Single angel retrigger [X]
Double angel retrigger [X]
> 1.000x base game win [ ]
> 3.000x win [X]
> 10.000x win [ ]
5 scatter [ ]
6 scatter [ ]
12x 12x base game hit [ ]

This is not a game you can hit and run, the good features are way too rare for that. So you have to grind grind grind and eventually you *may* hit the semi jackpot. Below screenshot, while being an awesome ~5.000x win, is severely limited by the fact that no Q managed to land on reel 5 for 16 spins. The second to last spin was awesome though. Overall this feature (and hence slot) is more exciting to me than landing a DoA wildline, but only because it feels (probably is) like 100x more rare to get a double angel retrigger than it does to hit a wildline.

My severe lack of common sense had me try an enhanced feature on €5 bets as well and it literally took €700 to hit the final heart for the feature to only give €24 back. Won't be trying that again.

 

[Mavericksss]

Well. After lose x1500 stake without any good hit and 5 empty enhanced bonuses i got very decent normal bonus

x3482

 

[sledge13]

96+ % rtp so have fought on, wtf....$.50 spins all the way, $2000 in not one win over 100x including all the enhanced ones.

Truly despicable

 

[sledge13]

This morning $200 more 0,50 spin, still no feature!!! close to the enhanced, lets see what it brings....

 

[sledge13]

So there we go, enhanced and got the queen symbol, thought...maybe this is it! of course not, as usual the reels suddenly miss the common symbols, obv so rigged to miss, 100% random, how does tracemonkey defend this type of programming?

Well im in deep now, got to get a win like above, but how long will it take the proverbial?

 

[joerdj]

So there we go, enhanced and got the queen symbol, thought...maybe this is it! of course not, as usual the reels suddenly miss the common symbols, obv so rigged to miss, 100% random, how does tracemonkey defend this type of programming?

Well im in deep now, got to get a win like above, but how long will it take the proverbial?

All the symbols have certain reels. So for example symbol 9 has certain reels attached. The symbol count of 9 on those reels is lower, so you will see it less often. The game is still random but the reels are not the same. That's why the chosen symbol is on holiday when you hit it in a bonus.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The problem with that approach for the player is that it makes the game feel terribly rigged and loaded.

Get a bonus with the 9, no 9s. Get a bonus with the Q, no Qs but all the 9s are back, and so on.

It's like they've tried really hard to make a random game feel non-random and unfair.

Using different reels for a bonus round is one thing (and not that unusual), but to have different reel sets for every symbol is something else.

 

[joerdj]

The problem with that approach for the player is that it makes the game feel terribly rigged and loaded.

Get a bonus with the 9, no 9s. Get a bonus with the Q, no Qs but all the 9s are back, and so on.

It's like they've tried really hard to make a random game feel non-random and unfair.

Using different reels for a bonus round is one thing (and not that unusual), but to have different reel sets for every symbol is something else.

IMO you right, but I don't really have a problem with it , as long as you aware of the fact they used different reels for each symbol. I understand people get mad when there chosen symbol is on a holiday, and after the bonus is back from that holiday , rinse and repeat.

I'm not a programmer but no doubt they did it on purpose. They could probably make the same reels feel less as a cheat on you if the spread out the symbols differently.

 

[sledge13]

All the symbols have certain reels. So for example symbol 9 has certain reels attached. The symbol count of 9 on those reels is lower, so you will see it less often. The game is still random but the reels are not the same. That's why the chosen symbol is on holiday when you hit it in a bonus.

That is terrible gameplay, as yes they all seem to vanish when they are picked.

 

[mcgameboy]

Well I've had two "dual play" sessions on this. £100 in at both Rizk and GUTS last weekend.
Then another session last night, another £100 in at both Rizk and GUTS. I was playing at £1 a spin (yeah I know, risky).

And I can safely say.....this is without doubt the ABSOLUTE WORST SLOT I HAVE EVER PLAYED IN MY LIFE.
That is what £400 has "given" me....

A grand total of one feature, which paid 15x.
Not one base game win of 10x (yes, you did read that right). TEN times stake is now apparently TOO MUCH to expect from a base game.
Really BTG? Is THAT how TIGHT you are becoming now? If it is, count me well the f*ck out.

Just to clarify what £100 can actually "get you", when you play this game on a bad day. This is how my second session at Rizk went....

Best base game win: 3.6x.
Features: NONE
Hearts collected: FOUR
Heartstoppers: TWO
£100 to £0 in: 145 x £1 spins
RTP: 31.17% (it actually felt more like under 20%, until I went to the trouble of actually checking just how bad it was).
The fact that it was over 10% better than what I thought provided no crumb of consolation whatsoever.

And that's your lot. Thanks for playing.
Please come back soon, in order to spunk another £100 away at £1 bets and get literally f*ck all in return
on our great new slot which claims to pay 96%, but actually pays less than an AWP at your nearest seaside resort that is rigged to it's eyeballs...

Uhm......I don't bloody think so. I don't think I've ever felt more "ripped off" by a slot than I have with this one.
Twice bitten, thrice shy. I've no confidence whatsoever in this game's ability to deliver an entertaining experience.

Well at least I now know what this slot really represents. This is clearly BTG's answer to the feature buy ban.
By creating a slot that just flat out robs people blind instead.
There is no entertainment to be had, no enjoyment to be had, no features to be had, no wins above 10x to be had.
But hey.....you get a couple of hearts to collect, so that makes it all fair and above board, all fine and dandy, doesn't it? AS IF!!

My idea of a slot that is enjoyable to play is one that DOESN'T require taking out a second mortgage in order to finally
get an "enhanced" feature that most likely will pay under 20x, but cost 800x to trigger.
Obviously, there will be exceptions to this general rule. And they will almost certainly involve players who are connected to casinogrounds.

So yeah. Basically, BTG, even by their own avariciously scummy standards, have really stooped too low with this one.
Another addition to the ever-increasing list of "never play again" slots by Bland Turdlike Gaming.

Shite Rabbit, Vexedtra Chilli, Final C*ntdown, Book Of Devils, Do Your Nuts, Unholy Diver, KingTaker, Tiny Evil Horned Money Gobbling Bitch.

 

[goatwack]

Perhaps BTG had an inkling that a Feature Buy purge was a-comin, or more likely, if just a few thousand punters lost a few quid trying to coax any type of reprieve out of their 'innovative' slots then that's them in profit.

Who cares about long-term RTP or what it might pay two years down the line, onto making games about boxes or chewie sweets right. Ka-ching!

Of course there'll be a percentage of players that struck lucky and will stick by this game, proclaiming it the second coming of Christ and just misunderstood. Well, each to their own. But games like this are simply anti-slotting....and from what was once a promising provider I see them ruining the industry with dangerous guff like this

 

[mcgameboy]

I have no doubt that they knew it was coming.
This just looks like an attempt to go down the same route that Yggdrasil chose to go down with Vikings Go Berserk.

There will be a lot money "wasted"on this slot (ie enhanced features not being achieved/triggered), because players will come to the realisation
that the cost of the chase is simply not worth it/flat out unaffordable.

I know this much. That £400 I lost, I know I'm never getting it back.
But it's better to cut my losses now at £400, rather than end up spending in excess of £1,000 getting the feature,
only to then get binned off with a "rebate" of under £50.

Basically, this is just the latest in a long line of smoke and mirrors bullshit moves by BTG.

Back to MG 243 ways for me. At least I can trust that provider to give me a game for my money.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I actually managed to get 0x on a feature the other night. Didn’t think that was possible!!!

And before anybody notices the £1.20... That’s the trigger!!!

 

[joerdj]

I actually managed to get 0x on a feature the other night. Didn’t think that was possible!!!

And before anybody notices the £1.20... That’s the trigger!!!

Of course that is possible , it's only seven spins. I always go for dynamite lover. I have a feeling I'm one of the few that likes the game.

 

[sledge13]

Yep this slot is an abs joke, no way is it paying 96% + rtp, the slot business will have a quick death thanks to BTG.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Of course that is possible , it's only seven spins. I always go for dynamite lover. I have a feeling I'm one of the few that likes the game.

I’ve had hundreds of terrible bonuses on DHV but I’m not sure I’ve ever had one pay nothing.

My record on bonanza is 12p from an 80p stake.

I’ve had decimal point X wins but not sure I can ever recall a complete 0 X.

 

[joerdj]

I’ve had hundreds of terrible bonuses on DHV but I’m not sure I’ve ever had one pay nothing.

My record on bonanza is 12p from an 80p stake.

I’ve had decimal point X wins but not sure I can ever recall a complete 0 X.

Lets say the hitrate is 25 % , then there is a change of 75% procent you hit nothing. Then 7 spins is 0.75^7=0.1334 %. The hitrate will probably be a bit higher ( reel 2 and 3 wild =100% hitrate )with the wilds and stuff. But in theory a 0x bonus is completely possible unless there is some kind of bonus guarantee. On opal fruit a had a 0.24 cent win on a bonus with a 0.60 bet.

 

[Kroffe]

I dont understand why people hate on this slot.
Its basically a money-printing machine.
All this took was a couple hours of constant spinning, and a well above average heartstopper-bonus, and now im laughing all the way to the bank with my €1,5 profit.

 

[goatwack]

I think a lot of doubters will be eating humble pie after that

 

[Kroffe]

I think a lot of doubters will be eating humble pie after that

They better.. Its either that or a knuckle sandwich!

 

[sledge13]

How do I give up now though, no wins over 120x over 2k and 50p spins (50p!!!!!)

These slots are tested no? and it says 96.4% RTP so when does this happen?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think you've got to get your head around just how volatile some of BTG's output is, and how scummy their paytables are.

In the case of Lil' Devil the only way to really hit in the basegame is with the wilds, but they don't land very often AND connect with something.

Then you've got stupidly volatile features that can pay bugger all time and time again, along with the chase mechanic feature that'll have hundreds of times your stake off you to trigger, and cheerfully pay back 12x.

One real cash session on this was enough for me, straight on the banned list.

There's a way to do high volatility slots right, and this isn't it. I appreciate there's only so much RTP to shuffle around, but it seems to me that there's a yawning chasm in BTG's output where the 100-500x stake wins should be.

That said, put a billion spins through it and it'll return 96.4% to you, same as any other slot that's got a 96.4% RTP.

 

[joerdj]

I think you've got to get your head around just how volatile some of BTG's output is, and how scummy their paytables are.

In the case of Lil' Devil the only way to really hit in the basegame is with the wilds, but they don't land very often AND connect with something.

Then you've got stupidly volatile features that can pay bugger all time and time again, along with the chase mechanic feature that'll have hundreds of times your stake off you to trigger, and cheerfully pay back 12x.

One real cash session on this was enough for me, straight on the banned list.

There's a way to do high volatility slots right, and this isn't it. I appreciate there's only so much RTP to shuffle around, but it seems to me that there's a yawning chasm in BTG's output where the 100-500x stake wins should be.

That said, put a billion spins through it and it'll return 96.4% to you, same as any other slot that's got a 96.4% RTP.

Just don't chase that hearts , do a few spins now and again and see the enchanted feature as a bonus.

How do I give up now though, no wins over 120x over 2k and 50p spins (50p!!!!!)

These slots are tested no? and it says 96.4% RTP so when does this happen?

Just don't chase that hearts , do a few spins now and again and see the enchanted feature as a bonus not as the holy grail as the want you to believe


Sorry double quoted

 

[Jono777]

No foil hatting, and I swore I'd never use the 'R' word on here again. However I have serious doubts over how close TRTP and actual RTP are these days and not just with BTG either.

Too long in the tooth to convince myself everything is as it should be.

the only thing I can come up with is something along the lines of.....

few years ago: 1,000 players = 500 winners, 500 losers
nowadays = 50 bigger winners, 950 more regular losers

anyway, work time..............

 

[joerdj]

No foil hatting, and I swore I'd never use the 'R' word on here again. However I have serious doubts over how close TRTP and actual RTP are these days and not just with BTG either.

Too long in the tooth to convince myself everything is as it should be.

the only thing I can come up with is something along the lines of.....

few years ago: 1,000 players = 500 winners, 500 losers
nowadays = 50 bigger winners, 950 more regular losers

anyway, work time..............

Thats ultra high variance.... They just changed the maths. A 20.000x win probably eats up a lot of RTP, but the chance of hitting that is really low which in turn will result in that most people will not hit the TRTP

 

[greylady]

My first experience of this slot made me never want to play it again, it's boring beyond belief, couple that with the thousands and thousands of spins it takes to trigger a bonus in Bonanza that you just know is going to be s***e and to crown it all yesterday I got a zero win on Donuts, BTG is fast becoming a very very last resort for me.

Maybe BTG's profits have been hit hard with having to remove their bonus buy features and are trying to make that shortfall up through their games for their profit margins for the year end

 

[Nicola]

Christ this game today. £820.66 to collect all the hearts at £1 stake.

Paid 8x.

 

[sledge13]

Christ this game today. £820.66 to collect all the hearts at £1 stake.

Paid 8x.

I feel your pain, but then we carry on to get the RTP? maybe they have switched it off because of the bonus buy ban!

I will never play another BTG slot after this, and won't fall for any of the Dunover hype of the next release.

 

[goatwack]

I see many bemoan this game's atrocious returns, meanwhile losing x y z on it, on the promise of that 'amazing potential'.

Simply playing (or should that be paying) into the hands of BTG, who simply do not care, and are probably laughing all the way to the bank now that they've hoodwinked everyone AGAIN

 

[Jono777]

Thats ultra high variance.... They just changed the maths. A 20.000x win probably eats up a lot of RTP, but the chance of hitting that is really low which in turn will result in that most people will not hit the TRTP

Exactly my point/thoughts

Spread the RTP (as it appeared to be for years and years) = good feedback, happy players, returning business etc etc - also worked with HV games such as the time served Immortal Romance as a great example.

Nowadays the shift is towards thru the outer hemisphere with regards to the ultra HV you speak of, sod Joe Average and his merry Men* just make sure 1 or 2 players scoop a five figure 'x' hit per month.

* or variations thereof

 

[joerdj]

Exactly my point/thoughts

Spread the RTP (as it appeared to be for years and years) = good feedback, happy players, returning business etc etc - also worked with HV games such as the time served Immortal Romance as a great example.

Nowadays the shift is towards thru the outer hemisphere with regards to the ultra HV you speak of, sod Joe Average and his merry Men* just make sure 1 or 2 players scoop a five figure 'x' hit per month.

* or variations thereof

Yeah and those hits eat a tremendous amount of RTP

 

[CertaCas]

This slot is certainly not for everyone. I'm almost done with it as it's eating my 12K win with alarming ease, even at much lower stakes than €2,5 ... The thing is that your risk of ruin is enormous with this slot. If you don't connect with the angels in the base game you basically run at 20-25% RTP. This can go on for hours on end. It is also not uncommon to whiff feature after feature after feature, never getting a >100x win. Even with the best symbol (9) it's not uncommon to only get 1 or even 0 wilds in 7 spins. This whole cocktail of ultra high variance means that you need a huge bankroll if you want to chase the >2.000x wins. I've had 1 occasion where I had a lucky 207x win on €5 (I do a couple of €5 spins in between my regular stakes occasionally just for this reason) and still managed to end at a loss on my €1,5 heartstopper cycle. That's pretty insane right?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Exactly my point/thoughts

Spread the RTP (as it appeared to be for years and years) = good feedback, happy players, returning business etc etc - also worked with HV games such as the time served Immortal Romance as a great example.

Nowadays the shift is towards thru the outer hemisphere with regards to the ultra HV you speak of, sod Joe Average and his merry Men* just make sure 1 or 2 players scoop a five figure 'x' hit per month.

* or variations thereof

How is that any different to DOA2 though? Most high noon bonuses pay 0-10x yet that game is loved by many on here.

I personally don't get the BTG hate, there are two providers my biggest wins have come from...Play n Go and BTG. I've had multiple 1000x + hits on BTG. If you choose to play highly volatile games, 90% of the time you'll bust with no return. It is how it is.

I personally find Pragmatic and Yggdrasil much worse than BTG but each to their own!

 

[sledge13]

I've played DOA2 loads and would never hit this same run so fast at the equivalent 0.45 spin

Not had a wild line yet but had 1000x 500x wins etc on DOA2 and not even played it that much.

Lil Devil and BTG are simply a disgrace, the BTG love in is over...stop giving each of their new releases so much hype on here aswell.

 

[sledge13]

They have got very very greedy, it plays 1000x worse than Danger High Voltage

 

[Jono777]

How is that any different to DOA2 though? Most high noon bonuses pay 0-10x yet that game is loved by many on here.

I personally don't get the BTG hate, there are two providers my biggest wins have come from...Play n Go and BTG. I've had multiple 1000x + hits on BTG. If you choose to play highly volatile games, 90% of the time you'll bust with no return. It is how it is.

I personally find Pragmatic and Yggdrasil much worse than BTG but each to their own!

I don't hate BTG, in fact when I don't bust in 5 minutes, I play them most sessions, My post was generalised about the whole player experience in recent times, its maybe just coincidental that BTG had their huge impact on the market the same time the "quicker busts" arrived.

As for DoA II, this game ADVERTISES the fact in the volatility range, a bit like Jungle Spirit does with its win often / win big markers.

Sure the providers you mention are awful and worse than BTG, along with many others.

Novo's are generally considered to be HV/VHV but on average deliver much better playtime and hold the balance more often than any we've mentioned so far, also they've remained popular for years, if they can do it, why not the others?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I've played DOA2 loads and would never hit this same run so fast at the equivalent 0.45 spin

Not had a wild line yet but had 1000x 500x wins etc on DOA2 and not even played it that much.

Lil Devil and BTG are simply a disgrace, the BTG love in is over...stop giving each of their new releases so much hype on here aswell.

Yes but I can counter that by saying I've played DOA and DOA2 plenty and can count on 1 hand the amount of 100x+ hits I've had. No joke. That's gambling. With HV games the many are robbed to pay the few.

 

[joerdj]

They have got very very greedy, it plays 1000x worse than Danger High Voltagel

In theory it will still pay 96.xx So in theory that's higher then the expected return on DHV (which is something like 95.xx

 

[goatwack]

I think BTG filled the gap in the market for HV jinks to initially cater to a niche audience.

Along came Bonanza's success, and their subsequent games have gone into the super-HV cosmos. Maybe they're just doing what they've always set out to do and the little fry (us) expect too much

God that felt dirty typing that

 

[Mr_Slot5]

@Jono777 I've has some of my worst runs on Novo, absolutely brutal. Money gone in minutes doing 10p-20p bets. As with any HV slot you have to catch them in the 'mood' and that mood doesn't come often!