LeoVegas locked my account with over £2300 in it

However this isn't on the subject of how a casino does business, its on the subject of legislation which is there in black and white for anyone to read, which Mark has knowledge on. If he had came in and said LV are shit because xxx then I would agree it was out of order.
*shrugs - ive no idea WHAT he said
its been edited out :)


edited - because it isnt an lvmatter and no point on derailing
 
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Leo Vegas is an Accredited casino at Casinomeister
*shrugs - ive no idea WHAT he said
its been edited out :)
but, we've also seen a hundred plus pages how a lot of that legislation is up to interpretation

Does

Not cool of me to comment on another reps use of a GDPR excuse.

Not give you a clue :confused::D

There is nothing in the GDPR that stops someone carrying out customer service on a forum like this. I asked Videoslots which section of the act they thought applied months ago, still waiting for a response. If a casino makes the decision not to, then thats fine, but to use the GDPR as an excuse is misleading.
 
Does

Not cool of me to comment on another reps use of a GDPR excuse.

Not give you a clue :confused::D

There is nothing in the GDPR that stops someone carrying out customer service on a forum like this. I asked Videoslots which section of the act they thought applied months ago, still waiting for a response. If a casino makes the decision not to, then thats fine, but to use the GDPR as an excuse is misleading.


Yeah, that's my understanding too - as long as the respondent is deemed to be part of the business they are perfectly free to discuss things in private, by PM with a member here at the instigation of the member/customer.

What the LV rep stated as far as the public forum goes is of course correct, but privately as a concerned member of the business and via PM is not forbidden at all. They may prefer to do it via their own e-mail address but aren't obliged to, I have seen no stipulation regarding the means of communication.

Regardless, I still think a big site like LV could and should have resolved this and paid by now. This isn't a small site with 9-5 staff Mon-Fri.

It's like a high street bookie manhandling you out of the door when you're winning or picking horses and saying "Right, it's a quarter to 11 so bugger-off over to Starbucks, have a smoke and a coffee or do some shopping and I don't want to see you back in here until after half 11...":eek2:

If a casino is going to use arbitrary pop-ups and shut people's accounts temporarily in the middle of play then the pop-up should come with a CS box too, so you can immediately be told privately why and engage in some chat to resolve it immediately. I'm speaking as a player here and how I expect to be treated by a casino I'm spending money at. :thumbsup:
 
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Yeah, that's my understanding too - as long as the respondent is deemed to be part of the business they are perfectly free to discuss things in private, by PM with a member here at the instigation of the member/customer.

What the LV rep stated as far as the public forum goes is of course correct, but privately as a concerned member of the business and via PM is not forbidden at all. They may prefer to do it via their own e-mail address but aren't obliged to, I have seen no stipulation regarding the means of communication.

As far as I'm aware they can actually discuss it in public, as long as they have consent. Consent is the main word in the GDPR, as long as you have it then tbh, you can do pretty much anything. For discussing it in public though I would make doubly sure I had full consent first :D and as a casino operator probably wouldn't do it at all just to be doubly safe ;)
 
edit - not going to derail further

It's not a LV matter yet it was the LV rep who brought it into the conversation, and the OP also commented on it.
As far as I'm aware, there are only 2 or 3 casinos who won't deal with CS via PM on here, casinos stating they can't because of the GDPR are, in effect, saying all the other casinos are breaking the law.
 
Thinking more on what snorky wrote, I'm now of the opinion this message popping up with no proper explanation and then disappearing by itself after 45 mins, could definitely have the potential to disconcert and confuse someone, especially if they're fairly new to gambling or just to this casino.

Once the account unlocked and the balance was playable again, they'd only probably need to get south of £2,000, combined with worrying about the meaning of the message, to fall into a negative state of mind, and then start chasing to get back their original win with disastrous results...it's not 100% certain to happen but it's a dice throw for a casino, there's a chance of it working to their benefit.

If the LV rep can give a more sane reason than the live chat it would be helpful, as there must be a reason for it occurring in general ?
 
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If a casino is going to use arbitrary pop-ups and shut people's accounts temporarily in the middle of play then the pop-up should come with a CS box too, so you can immediately be told privately why and engage in some chat to resolve it immediately. I'm speaking as a player here and how I expect to be treated by a casino I'm spending money at. :thumbsup:

I'm going to test this now, have just logged in and going to leave it for an hour, see if I get blocked, was going to deposit there tonight to have a go on the new BTG game, so if they block me I won't be able to :(

@ChopleyIOM how long were you logged in for?
 
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Funny you said that whilst reading thru this thread it came to me that none of the big bookies have active reps on any forums and most problems which arise are sorted unless the punter is taking the piss.

This site offers amazing help to players. But sadly the casinos dropping like rain atm as rules and taxes become stricter.

Too many of these casinos re getting ridiculous. Casumo other date after 1 second of depositing gave me 24hrs to verify or account blocked.

None of these bookies ever ask for docs and all pay within hours and all in my bank in 24hrs. Also you never worry about them giving enough funds and busting.

Willhil betfair paddy power bet victor and sky vegas offer everything and more than these stand alone casinos.

Casumo will never see another penny after the stunt other day. I will give credit to trada casino who verified me paid me all within 24hrs.

But unless these casinos give me deposit offers I never used them why would I when the bookies give no hassle ever.
 
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It's not a LV matter yet it was the LV rep who brought it into the conversation, and the OP also commented on it.
As far as I'm aware, there are only 2 or 3 casinos who won't deal with CS via PM on here, casinos stating they can't because of the GDPR are, in effect, saying all the other casinos are breaking the law.
where did LV say they cant deal via pm because of GDPR?
 
Honestly they probably indirectly did you a favour with the 45 mins timeout thing because it gives you time to reflect and think hmm actually I'd quite like that £2300 in my bank account :) (depending on how much that amount means to you)
The other delays etc is annoying ofc
 
LeoVegas locked my account with over £2300 in it

Unfortunately, as this is a public forum I am unable to directly discuss your account here due to GDPR.

Question - Leovegas asking for copies of expired bank cards

Unfortunately, due to GDPR reasons I am unable to access your account/personal information from here in order to look into this for you.
yes?
Unfortunately, as this is a public forum I am unable to directly discuss your account here due to GDPR.

The fact they opted to ask the op to email vs pm is their prerogative - they said they wont discuss it here - choosing to do it via email is their choice.
Dunover actually reiterated that with -

'What the LV rep stated as far as the public forum goes is of course correct, but privately as a concerned member of the business and via PM is not forbidden at all. They may prefer to do it via their own e-mail address but aren't obliged to'

the reverse applies - A casino may prefer to do it via pm but arent obliged to.

I don't see the issue here (I'm not referring to the case but the response) - they replied and invited the op to reach out to discuss it further - the casino opted for email as the means of discussion
 
I’ve started a GDPR debate here so i’ll add another thought.

From my limited knowledge of GDPR I believe the main reason that a rep wouldn’t want to help via a forum is because it isn’t possible to exercise the “right to erase” - we don’t own the forum so that adds a bit more complexity.

It all depends on what information is being passed however. A username passed via PM isn’t always personal information - I say “always” as if your username was firstnamesurnameDOB that then it is. And it adds complexities. If your username is ilovemycat24 then it’s fine. In our case it’s a bit easier as quite a few have an anonymous 32REXXX account number.

It adds complexities but as someone else said, the consent is a huge part and I’m sure Bryan has his own responsibilities when it comes to the GDPR regs and the right to erasure. And I don’t mean the band. :)

Mark
 
yes?
Unfortunately, as this is a public forum I am unable to directly discuss your account here due to GDPR.

The fact they opted to ask the op to email vs pm is their prerogative - they said they wont discuss it here - choosing to do it via email is their choice.
Dunover actually reiterated that with -

'What the LV rep stated as far as the public forum goes is of course correct, but privately as a concerned member of the business and via PM is not forbidden at all. They may prefer to do it via their own e-mail address but aren't obliged to'

the reverse applies - A casino may prefer to do it via pm but arent obliged to.

I don't see the issue here (I'm not referring to the case but the response) - they replied and invited the op to reach out to discuss it further - the casino opted for email as the means of discussion

So you agree they won't discuss it on here then?
And that they clearly stated this was because of the GDPR?

So feel free to point out where in the GDPR it states they cannot do this, which was what I initially said, they can do it if they want, if they make the choice not to it is up to them, but that is not due to the GDPR. If you are cherry picking other people's posts to prove your point, did you miss this 'via PM is not forbidden at all'?
 
So you agree they won't discuss it on here then?
And that they clearly stated this was because of the GDPR?

So feel free to point out where in the GDPR it states they cannot do this, which was what I initially said, they can do it if they want, if they make the choice not to it is up to them, but that is not due to the GDPR. If you are cherry picking other people's posts to prove your point, did you miss this 'via PM is not forbidden at all'?
And again, LV nowhere here said via pm is forbidden due to GDPR- they said, publicly/here.
It's right there in their post. Are you now cherry picking?
Opting to use email vs pm is prerogative. Noone has a right to demand a pm
 
I’ve started a GDPR debate here so i’ll add another thought.

From my limited knowledge of GDPR I believe the main reason that a rep wouldn’t want to help via a forum is because it isn’t possible to exercise the “right to erase” - we don’t own the forum so that adds a bit more complexity.

It all depends on what information is being passed however. A username passed via PM isn’t always personal information - I say “always” as if your username was firstnamesurnameDOB that then it is. And it adds complexities. If your username is ilovemycat24 then it’s fine. In our case it’s a bit easier as quite a few have an anonymous 32REXXX account number.

It adds complexities but as someone else said, the consent is a huge part and I’m sure Bryan has his own responsibilities when it comes to the GDPR regs and the right to erasure. And I don’t mean the band. :)

Mark

Surely the right to erase wouldn't come into it though as you have a legal obligation to keep account information for a period of time (6 years isn't it?) after your lawful right to process it ends? Therefore any PM's shouldn't be erased from your end until at least that time period has ended, is that correct?
Also, from memory of how the database works on Zenforo, if you delete a PM then it is deleted from the database and no record would be stored, so that would satisfy the act surely? Thanks for replying Mark :)
 
Hi!

I'm sorry to hear that you were locked out of your LeoVegas account.

Unfortunately, as this is a public forum I am unable to directly discuss your account here due to GDPR. In the case you require any further assistance with accessing your accounts or completing your withdrawal, I kidnly ask that you send an email to [email protected] with the subject FAO: Nicola/Sabina and we will then be able to assist accordingly.

Thank you and enjoy the remainder of your weekend!'
 
And again, LV nowhere here said via pm is forbidden due to GDPR- they said, publicly/here.
It's right there in their post. Are you now cherry picking?
Opting to use email vs pm is prerogative. Noone has a right to demand a pm

So a PM doesn't mean here? How do they deal with a customer query if they can't access an account using information sent to them on here?
Simple way to solve this @LeoVegas Rep if I send you an account query via PM will you reply with the answer?
Videoslots have also stated the exact same thing and refuse to deal with anything via PM.
 
here may well mean HERE..this thread.
How do they deal with customer queries? They have an email - it was clearly posted.
A member posts or pms a rep. Rep either A - responds in detail via pm or B asks the member to kindly email them
Both get the same results

If youv internet to access the forum, youve internet to forward info via email
 
here may well mean HERE..this thread.
How do they deal with customer queries? They have an email - it was clearly posted.
A member posts or pms a rep. Rep either A - responds in detail via pm or B asks the member to kindly email them
Both get the same results

And my point was, the GDPR does not stop them replying on here, here as in on this forum. I've clearly said if they WANT to only deal via email they can. I have no problem with that. I don't like it when they say the reason they can't is because of a law they either haven't read, haven't understood or have made up for whatever reason. If nothing else it makes it look like other reps have no regard for the GDPR.
Again though, feel free to link to the section of the act that shows I'm wrong if thats what you believe.
 
here may well mean HERE..this thread.
How do they deal with customer queries? They have an email - it was clearly posted.
A member posts or pms a rep. Rep either A - responds in detail via pm or B asks the member to kindly email them
Both get the same results

They do not discuss private accounts in pm here because of GDPR.
You need to send an email.
I've tried and got that answer. Exactly the same as Vs.
 
I’ve started a GDPR debate here so i’ll add another thought.

From my limited knowledge of GDPR I believe the main reason that a rep wouldn’t want to help via a forum is because it isn’t possible to exercise the “right to erase” - we don’t own the forum so that adds a bit more complexity.

It all depends on what information is being passed however. A username passed via PM isn’t always personal information - I say “always” as if your username was firstnamesurnameDOB that then it is. And it adds complexities. If your username is ilovemycat24 then it’s fine. In our case it’s a bit easier as quite a few have an anonymous 32REXXX account number.

It adds complexities but as someone else said, the consent is a huge part and I’m sure Bryan has his own responsibilities when it comes to the GDPR regs and the right to erasure. And I don’t mean the band. :)

Mark
How did you guess my username?
 
My experience of emailing the generic customer service of casinos, mainly the uk bookie sites, has probably 9/10 been a waste of time, however if they were accredited here one of the benefits would be having a rep looking into and solving the problems that crop up from time to time. In this instance it looks like the casino is going to lose a customer, the personal touch via a pm could've perhaps prevented this ?

He could have said 'I'll get one of my colleagues from customer services to look into this and pm/email you shortly' after all VS Dan use to have a team helping him. Chopley shouldn't have to waste any more of his time on this, the facts are all out there, it's only fair the casino now respond by getting him verified asap so he can enjoy that fantastic win.
 
They do not discuss private accounts in pm here because of GDPR.
You need to send an email.
I've tried and got that answer. Exactly the same as Vs.
No, I agree with you. I mean in detail in pm, meaning where able or willing, where otherwise theyd request an email :)
ps you might be surprised what some reps are willig to discuss in pm...then again, maybe not :D
 
Yes, the right to erase is of course important, but that would be the right of both parties to erase their data in their PM's which of course they could each do without CM intervention, same as in an e-mail. Of course, things posted in public would be the admin's responsibility here, a third party which should not be privy to sensitive data hence why if people accidentally or deliberately post such stuff, we delete it asap often thanks to you guys reporting it sharpish! :thumbsup:

In the case of the PAB, the T&C's here permit both parties to consensually supply information to MaxD the appointed arbitrator. This is only visible to him, not the other admin.

PM's are private too and cannot be seen this side unless somebody has deliberately and voluntarily shared it with the admin, say in the case of threats, attempted frauds etc. Then the admin has just cause to view the information as a concerned party of the business/entity.

I see no real difference, other than company policy or preference, why LV won't use PM. It's not being publicly posted after all.

I would have thought though that in a comparatively simple and straightforward issue like this that it would be reasonable to expect the function of the official rep of an accredited casino to assist, but there are no rules that specifically gauge the actual level of intervention required of a rep other than for them to log-in regularly and be responsive - in this case he has, even if only to pass the matter along the line.

Yes, it's not usual for a CM rep but if his company have this procedure established for these matters then he has to follow it, frustrating as it may be for the member here.
 
Yes, the right to erase is of course important, but that would be the right of both parties to erase their data in their PM's which of course they could each do without CM intervention, same as in an e-mail. Of course, things posted in public would be the admin's responsibility here, a third party which should not be privy to sensitive data hence why if people accidentally or deliberately post such stuff, we delete it asap often thanks to you guys reporting it sharpish! :thumbsup:

In the case of the PAB, the T&C's here permit both parties to consensually supply information to MaxD the appointed arbitrator. This is only visible to him, not the other admin.

PM's are private too and cannot be seen this side unless somebody has deliberately and voluntarily shared it with the admin, say in the case of threats, attempted frauds etc. Then the admin has just cause to view the information as a concerned party of the business/entity.

I see no real difference, other than company policy or preference, why LV won't use PM. It's not being publicly posted after all.

I would have thought though that in a comparatively simple and straightforward issue like this that it would be reasonable to expect the function of the official rep of an accredited casino to assist, but there are no rules that specifically gauge the actual level of intervention required of a rep other than for them to log-in regularly and be responsive - in this case he has, even if only to pass the matter along the line.

Yes, it's not usual for a CM rep but if his company have this procedure established for these matters then he has to follow it, frustrating as it may be for the member here.
Is there a layman's version? Me no read English gud :oops:
 
Yes, the right to erase is of course important, but that would be the right of both parties to erase their data in their PM's which of course they could each do without CM intervention, same as in an e-mail. Of course, things posted in public would be the admin's responsibility here, a third party which should not be privy to sensitive data hence why if people accidentally or deliberately post such stuff, we delete it asap often thanks to you guys reporting it sharpish! :thumbsup:

In the case of the PAB, the T&C's here permit both parties to consensually supply information to MaxD the appointed arbitrator. This is only visible to him, not the other admin.

PM's are private too and cannot be seen this side unless somebody has deliberately and voluntarily shared it with the admin, say in the case of threats, attempted frauds etc. Then the admin has just cause to view the information as a concerned party of the business/entity.

I see no real difference, other than company policy or preference, why LV won't use PM. It's not being publicly posted after all.

I would have thought though that in a comparatively simple and straightforward issue like this that it would be reasonable to expect the function of the official rep of an accredited casino to assist, but there are no rules that specifically gauge the actual level of intervention required of a rep other than for them to log-in regularly and be responsive - in this case he has, even if only to pass the matter along the line.

Yes, it's not usual for a CM rep but if his company have this procedure established for these matters then he has to follow it, frustrating as it may be for the member here.
It could be as simple as reps log into the forum from their phone, out on the road, out of the office, from home, whereas emails are read and answered in office with access to all the informatiom in order to supply full/complete/precise responses
Or that this, or other issues go through or ran by other parties who are either read in or tapped for.
Or upper muckety mucks mandate it
Or more than one individual log into a rep acct and some simply havent the authority
Probably any number of reasons
 
It could be as simple as reps log into the forum from their phone, out on the road, out of the office, from home, whereas emails are read and answered in office with access to all the informatiom in order to supply full/complete/precise responses
Or that this, or other issues go through or ran by other parties who are either read in or tapped for.
Or upper muckety mucks mandate it
Or more than one individual log into a rep acct and some simply havent the authority
Probably any number of reasons

Which of course comes back to the point I was making and you disagree with, the GDPR is not stopping them from answering on here. LV (and Videoslots) state it is. It isn't. They might not want to for a myriad of reasons, but if thats the case, don't say it is for the GDPR, if that were true there are a lot of reps on here breaking the law.
 
Wow another casino that IMO will end up closing down.

Their profit is going to come from the few high rollers they can attract and retain, and the last thing ANY gambler likes is being given hassle of any kind. Piss them off once, and they are gone along with their potential £1000s and £1000s of casino profit over many years!

No1 rule, gamblers expect to lose, but expect a faultless level of service and for the high rollers a few nice perks too. Not their account locked and hoops to jump through!!!
 
Which of course comes back to the point I was making and you disagree with, the GDPR is not stopping them from answering on here. LV (and Videoslots) state it is. It isn't. They might not want to for a myriad of reasons, but if thats the case, don't say it is for the GDPR, if that were true there are a lot of reps on here breaking the law.
*sigh*
and where did I diasgree with you about GDPR stopping them - or not - from answering on here - what I SAID WAS, THEY (LV) SAID they wont post here because of GDPR; whether that claim has merit is its own issue
 
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I'm going to test this now, have just logged in and going to leave it for an hour, see if I get blocked, was going to deposit there tonight to have a go on the new BTG game, so if they block me I won't be able to :(

@ChopleyIOM how long were you logged in for?
You might hope they block you for more than 45 minutes if you are thinking of playing the latest offering by BTG: I’ve played it twice and not had a sniff!
 
I'm going to test this now, have just logged in and going to leave it for an hour, see if I get blocked, was going to deposit there tonight to have a go on the new BTG game, so if they block me I won't be able to :(

@ChopleyIOM how long were you logged in for?

I was probably logged in for about 12 hours, although I wasn't playing for the vast majority of that time, from memory I think it auto-logged me out a couple of times on timeouts as well.

I use a 32 inch 4K screen on my PC which I split into four 1080p quarters, and routinely have tens of things open at any given time, so it's not unusual for me to be logged into websites, game services, casinos and suchlike for many hours at a time. It's never, ever caused me a problem before, and I don't for one second believe LV's excuse anyway.

It's kind of a moot point now, I have no interest in playing there ever again, once I get paid, I'll never be going back.

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Not much to add, except that the same thing happened to me. I'm not 100% certain but I think it was LeoVegas. It didn't happen directly after a big win, and I had been logged in (and playing) for quite a while.

But same story. Locked out for 45 minutes. Logged back in, withdrew my money and never went back.
 
What other casino gives up valuable insider strategy on the latest slots though ?

ei
Leo Tip: Land the most valuable regular symbol, the purple gem, giving 25x your stake for 6 across the reels.
LOL...that came just under:

'TIP - press the 'START' button on any game and the reels will spin' :D
 
In theory, I'm for measures against problem gambling, but this is the wrong way to go. A better sign of somebody being a problem gambler would be if they made 10+ deposits in one day. If they want it to be time-based, they should just contact the player and ask if they're alright, rather than just going straight for the block. It's a really odd business decision as well, less wagering & pissed off customers = loss-loss.
 
Again I don’t play there so I don’t know and I haven’t read every post in this thread but wouldn’t it make sense to send the player a pop up warning them that their time logged in will expire in 1 hour or whatever the prior warning is set at. Also if the max time logged in is known could a player get round it by loggin out prior to this and log back in straight away? I don’t know just asking the question.
 
Could it be that the player had accidentally clicked on a Reality Check popup to limit game time for that session?

I wasn't even in the room when the lockout occurred, and I didn't click on any sort of message at any point (or indeed see one) relating to play time, or amount won/lost or anything else.
 
My very limited GDPR knowledge somehow suggest that as operator don't own this forum, it's impossible to guarantee that information will be stored (5 years or what was that requirement?), if Bryan decide one day just quit CM, ban user or something, then you don't have any information stored (i don't know is that also enough that you have message from nicname from CM to proof that it really is person in question, even if you take screenshots from all conversation, how to proof that there are no further messages and some left out?).

Also as we have seen, reps here are changing, what happen information then? I think i never sent PM is it possible to print or save in format that there clearly can be seen it is whole conversation (and still can be manipulated ofc)?

As said, not expert in this and just shooting in the dark, but these reasons i feel could be problematical. At least if you are really changing information what should definitely be saved, you can't guarantee it is and assume you should be able to be in control about it yourself, not store it in public forum.

edit: Don't have account at LV, but if they are arranging any kind of races or tournaments, this would be really nice to be kicked out middle of that.
 
My very limited GDPR knowledge somehow suggest that as operator don't own this forum, it's impossible to guarantee that information will be stored (5 years or what was that requirement?), [...]

GDPR does not require information to be stored for 5 years, it's the opposite of that. GDPR requires that you must store data for the shortest time possible.

But AML regulations and licence requirements require that certain data is kept for a set period of time.
 
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