It saddens me that far too many people on this forum are missing the point entirely, and as a result, are misjudging me off the back of it. I'm a member of a few other gambling forums, and there are a
lot of charity cases on them, some genuine, some not so. So I'm not going to get into an argument, you're entitled to your opinions, and given the type of people this environment can attract, I can understand the skepticism or the judgement.
@xexe - despite going against
@DreamRJ's advice here, I will do you the justice of responding to your post before I go, in detail...
If you got a more personal response where they apologize, would you even be satisfied with that?
So, I can announce officially, that as of around 15 minutes ago, they have
finally responded to my email that I sent them nine days ago.
We would once again like to take this opportunity to apologize for the error that occurred and any inconvenience that this has caused.
In line with Clause 2.4.2 of our Terms & Conditions, any erroneously credited winnings remain the property of LeoVegas and such funds were transferred from your member account accordingly. Please note that these erroneously credited funds were not part of any promotion, but were transferred to your member account as a result of an error at LeoVegas.
Am I satisfied? Answering honestly, no, I'm not. I
really don't want to get into an argument around whether I should feel the way I do about it. It's how I feel, and you can't change that by saying I'm wrong to think it.
The reason why I'm not satisfied? Not quite as abstract as that, it's just
how I feel. I sent them quite a long, personal email at the time I sent it, as it was not long after I thought I had won, then the money was taken away. So I was obviously a bit emotional and passionate at the time of writing it, I made quite a few points. This email doesn't actually respond to any of them. In fact, the way this email is worded, is as if I've made a formal complaint about them breaching their T&Cs and that I deserve to keep the money.
I have never said that, nor do I think it. The more I actually think about this response that they've sent me, the more frustrated I'm getting with it.
Not only this, but I have sent three follow up emails prior to this response, as well as this thread and regular contact with the rep(s). They have this detail in the chain, but there is no apology for this or the time taken to get back to me. Again, I appreciate they are busy -
that is okay, I understand - but it's how it's dealt with afterwards. In my job, if I send a report out even a couple of hours after the customers would usually receive it, I apologise for it immediately and, if possible, give a little bit of insight into why it happened. It's not difficult, and I don't think it's asking a lot, it's just common courtesy, surely?
There is also no answer, or comment on 1) how or why this happened in the first place (error is ambitious, could this happen again? Is it all resolved now?) and 2) why others were allowed to keep it, but not me. Again, I
understand they are entitled to reward customers as they see fit, in this case, letting them keep the bonus. But as their customer, do I
personally feel this is right? No. I don't feel 'nice' about it, or warm to Leovegas as a result. Again, it's
just how I feel.
Saying this, they did apologise (first line). This has come from a person, and not a system-generated email. It's subtle, but I do appreciate it, even if I'm dissatisfied with the rest!
I get the sense that your end goal is 100% to get free money. I agree that it's shitty if they let somebody else it and wont tell you why. But your sense of entitlement is quite off-putting to me, and I don't mean that in a rude way because it's probably just that we were raised in different cultures.
Well, it is rude, but fine, you've made a judgement, and as I said in my opening sentence I can (sort of) understand why.
I was in Asda the other day, and some chocolate scanned in at 1p instead of £1.50. Did I keep it in the hope that no one noticed? Of course I didn't, I alerted them straight away so that they could charge me the proper price and not be dicked by other customers who come across the same error. If it was advertised as 1p, it'd be a slightly different story, but I'd actually still question it, as the story doesn't make sense. In my Leovegas case, the story
did make sense, there is a cash drop promotion for £1000, and that's the amount I had sitting in my account. Any other amount and I genuinely believe I would have contacted them to query it immediately.
Please don't talk about my self-entitlement. Context matters.
This casino had been so awesome to me, their customer service great, I won a competition for a lot of money with my first free €10 and they were nothing but great and congratulatory.
So, immediately, big difference here already. Leo have not been awesome to me, their customer service had not been great and the only competition I won, was one I actually didn't win and was just an error that made it
look like I won. You even say they were great and congratulatory when you won... when I had the funds removed as I actually wasn't a winner and it was just an error, I received no contact whatsoever. Obviously congratulatory wouldn't be the right response, but at
least a bit of empathy and reasoning after doing it would have been nice.
I've been a member of Grosvenor casino for many years. It's probably safe to say I'm down around ~£100,000 over there. If they had made the same error that you stated, I would have contacted them
immediately. They have always been good to me, and despite being massively down over there, I don't feel that they owe me anything.
I would never dream of asking them for free stuff for a mistake they made that didn't hurt (or help) me.
I agree with you. As I said before. But I'm not sure how that's in any way comparable to this case? This
did hurt me, I thought I had won a competition. Yours wasn't like this at all? Bit confused around the relevance of the example you have used here.
And you're constantly coming with these soft threats like "I thought highly of them and was recommend them to friends, but now I sure wont be recommending them" or "I was loyal, but now I wont play there anymore unless they give me free stuff". Not saying your way or my way is right, your persistence and threats might land you some money that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise, which is cool I guess.
Okay, so not sure why you've put those two in quotations, as I have said neither of these things. Context matters, and you have combined a couple of other statements I have made to strengthen your argument against me. I don't really appreciate that.
What I have said is, I'm a loyal customer, I was recommended to them by others and I've been holding off playing over there until this situation is resolved in some way. There may be a couple more, but the only reason for these statements is to convey not only the details around the case and my account, but also my personal feelings at the time.
But you were saying this before even knowing that other players got the money (insert quote here)
Correct, I did say that, in response to another member who posted about their own account of being miscredited funds. It hurts, and my experience with casinos is, you give a lot to them, and if they mess up, they make it right. I certainly do it with my job, why shouldn't it work both ways?
Would I have liked some form of goodwill gesture off the back of all of this? Of course I would - who wouldn't? If you say you wouldn't, you're lying. But there's a big difference between this, and let's say, someone trying to claim compensation because they slipped under their own stupidity and there was no warning sign of the barely wet floor. I don't feel I'm
entitled to anything. That's the wrong word. But there's a big difference between being that and wanting the other party to do the right thing. It's not a breach of T&Cs, I don't feel I'm owed anything in particular, but it sucks that the whole thing has gone the way it has. What I will say, is I'm
surprised that no goodwill gesture was offered, given the circumstances. Others got to keep £1k and I don't even get some measly free spins? As others have said, it just feels they don't want my custom.
It was a shit start, with the whole money being credited, then being taken away etc. etc., but it's an even shitter end in regards to how it's been dealt with, and how some users of this forum have made me feel off the back of it.
We can part ways here. They have responded, we've all had our say on the matter. Will I use Leovegas again? Probably not, but I'm allowed that choice.
Case closed bois.