Jammin Jars

[ChopleyIOM]

It's not a slot!

 

[interlog]

It certainly IS capable of some wins. From a forum elsewhere (note play / fun money, but an explanation why it was posted along it):

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[ChopleyIOM]

No one's saying it isn't capable of paying big wins, Push Gaming have just put enough balls in the bag with big numbers on them for it to do so - the fact it plays like an absolute bag of bottoms for nearly everyone, nearly all of the time, is neither here nor there, player enjoyment be damned!

 

[nikantw]

You mean this from that other forum. Fun play.



So you see, it has options, not always the same scratchcard. That one is 19,684.40x and the other one was 19,480.20x.
It's not like you can predict what will happen when a sequence starts. It is deff not boring.
But it is only for "hit and run" play. Do a few spins and go.

 

[interlog]

You mean this from that other forum. Fun play.

So you see, it has options, not always the same scratchcard. That one is 19,684.40x and the other one was 19,480.20x.
It's not like you can predict what will happen when a sequence starts. It is deff not boring.
But it is only for "hit and run" play. Do a few spins and go.

Yep, that is the one. Didn't want to "lift" the picture from there into here, in case of copyright infringement stuff.

 

[Siohmy]

You mean this from that other forum. Fun play.

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It's not like you can predict what will happen when a sequence starts. It is deff not boring.
But it is only for "hit and run" play. Do a few spins and go.

Each to their own and everyone has their favourite slots but I’d argue that with exposure it is getting it would be fairly quickly apparent when you are at the start of a significant win (and can therefore run around the room getting excited without bothering to watch it play out). You may not find it boring which is completely fair, but many do so not really a statement of fact. As for your last statement, I’d say that is the very definition of a scratch card. Buy a few, hope to hit a big win. Stop because you know most of the time you’re only getting half your money back.

One thing is very telling about all this. The rules still have not been changed. The rules still do not state the maximum win of 20,000x. The Push rep has disappeared of the face of the planet. For me, that says everything I need to know.

 

[pinnit2014]

Don’t really see how ‘hit and run’ is any different to playing any type of slot : apply it to the non scratchcard variety; Bonanza, 100 one quid spins, hope you’re below the 460 bonus average and leg it.

Some may find JJ boring but having tried to bonus Immortal Romance in 1200 spins on min bet last night, that wasn’t exactly a riveting experience.

 

[nikantw]

Each to their own and everyone has their favourite slots but I’d argue that with exposure it is getting it would be fairly quickly apparent when you are at the start of a significant win (and can therefore run around the room getting excited without bothering to watch it play out). You may not find it boring which is completely fair, but many do so not really a statement of fact. As for your last statement, I’d say that is the very definition of a scratch card. Buy a few, hope to hit a big win. Stop because you know most of the time you’re only getting half your money back.

One thing is very telling about all this. The rules still have not been changed. The rules still do not state the maximum win of 20,000x. The Push rep has disappeared of the face of the planet. For me, that says everything I need to know.

Yes just my opinion
What rules? What is the problem with max win? Sorry for asking, didn't read most of the thread.

 

[Siohmy]

Yes just my opinion
What rules? What is the problem with max win? Sorry for asking, didn't read most of the thread.

The issue with Jammin Jars isn’t so much about the game design (predetermined results) although it is felt that it could be better. The area myself and a few others have issues with is that, by the rules stated, the movement of the jars and therefore outcome of each game is random. This is simply not true. The addition of not inlcuding a maximum win can also fairly be accused to be misleading as it implies each bonus game can have pretty much unlimited potential.

The likelihood of this happening if it were truly random is clearly something more likely than Bonanza as you could end up with a cluster of jars which would just carry on winning. Indeed the general consensus is that the slot was originally designed this way then certain wins were selected as being possible resulting in the slot as it is. At design level the random element of the jars moving was likely true. However that is clearly no longer the case.

Being generous I would say this is an oversight. Being cynical I’d say this, combined with the clear lack of a defined maximum win, is a little “dodgy”.

My standpoint on this has always been from the legal/ethical side. I personally have accepted the slot such as it is and, like a scratchcard and against my better judgement occasionally have 20-30 spins on it. However, the potential in future for manufacturers to present ever increaing, misleading slots with the addition of streamers hitting eye catching wins is potentially pretty serious which is why I don’t take the, “don’t like it, don’t play it” line.

 

[nikantw]

The issue with Jammin Jars isn’t so much about the game design (predetermined results) although it is felt that it could be better. The area myself and a few others have issues with is that, by the rules stated, the movement of the jars and therefore outcome of each game is random. This is simply not true. The addition of not inlcuding a maximum win can also fairly be accused to be misleading as it implies each bonus game can have pretty much unlimited potential.

The likelihood of this happening if it were truly random is clearly something more likely than Bonanza as you could end up with a cluster of jars which would just carry on winning. Indeed the general consensus is that the slot was originally designed this way then certain wins were selected as being possible resulting in the slot as it is. At design level the random element of the jars moving was likely true. However that is clearly no longer the case.

Being generous I would say this is an oversight. Being cynical I’d say this, combined with the clear lack of a defined maximum win, is a little “dodgy”.

My standpoint on this has always been from the legal/ethical side. I personally have accepted the slot such as it is and, like a scratchcard and against my better judgement occasionally have 20-30 spins on it. However, the potential in future for manufacturers to present ever increaing, misleading slots with the addition of streamers hitting eye catching wins is potentially pretty serious which is why I don’t take the, “don’t like it, don’t play it” line.

The fact is the rules do say the movement of the jars is random.
The rules don't say the multiplier is unlimited.

I have said many times that GC should force them have max win and chances of certain events/wins happening in the games info file.
Others don't think it is important. Others don't want to know anything, 0 info.
Others even claim that any info will completely destroy the industry.

Anyway, the fact is most GC don't make them reveal such information. They only have to say the RTP and payouts and make sure they don't lie.
What you may call misleading the industry calls "player perception" and they love playing with it.

Nobody did this more than Bonanza. "Unlimited" this and that, pseudo-reels, diamonds left and right but never together, players begging for any info regarding the potential (and never getting any)...
And finally experience teaching us that the only potential we can ever hit is 5000x. Did I stop playing it because of it? No. I don't get whay they had to trick me like that. I don't get it.

Now, after the Bonanza experience, I don't get bothered by JJ even the slightest. It is what it is, everybody already knows it.

Should there be more info in the info pages? I think yes. Others and the GC say no.

 

[Siohmy]

The fact is the rules don't say the movement of the jars is random.
The rules also don't say the multiplier is unlimited.

I think it does. Also by not presenting the true maximum win it is also fair to say that, by implication of above, that wins should be capable of going to any level. Not good enough to say that’s fairly unlikely, it is by design, impossible.

Edit: Do agree that BTG also do present things which are dubious but not, as far as I’m aware at least, untrue.

 

[nikantw]

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I think it does. Also by not presenting the true maximum win it is also fair to say that, by implication of above, that wins should be capable of going to any level. Not good enough to say that’s fairly unlikely, it is by design, impossible.

Edit: Do agree that BTG also do present things which are dubious but not, as far as I’m aware at least, untrue.

Lol, I just looked and didn't see it.... I apologize
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[ChopleyIOM]

We've covered this many times over already nikantw (in this very thread) - do keep up!

 

[Siohmy]

We've covered this many times over already nikantw (in this very thread) - do keep up!

Yep. Main thing for me is that it doesn’t look like anything is going to be done about it as this has been going on for many weeks. Shame really.

 

[goatwack]

You forget that changing the wording to reflect the truth is no easy task. It would take someone a good minute to amend, so lay down the pitchforks already

 

[aceking123]

Hmmm but many veteran players have always known that the vast majority of produced games are infact pre programmed & have been this way for years. Especially in bonus round .
Jammin jars does it badly, bonanza although i have no evidence i believe dispite that weve been told does the same thing & many many more.

The rules should be changed to apply the max win in a single spin. & term that this win is capped. Alsoalong the lines of old school slots certain winning combations & all that, pretty much seen on old uk fruit machines.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I tried this game over 3 sessions.

Lost the best part of a grand just on 40p and 60p.

My highest win was £80 odd from a feature on 60p. I’ve never known a slot rip you so hard in the base game. Regular £50 deposits on 60p after setting 100 spins going on most occasions left with me less than £10. Most of the features are absolutely dire paying next to nothing yet they seem so hard to get?

I appreciate what it’s capable of, we’ve all seen the numerous videos. I couldn’t give 2 shits about how the bonuses are pre determined but my god can this slot tear you a new one.

Just lucky I didn’t raise the stakes as I was going along. Disgusting game imo.

My 51% on videoslots over 4800 spins tells me all I need to know.

And yes yes it’s a small sample of spins, but who would carry on with a slot that’s done that to you.

I could have played bonanza on those stakes for probably 3 days rather than the 3hrs it took me to lose that much on
this god awful game.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You're kind of into mini-lottery territory with games like Jammin' Jars, it's basically a case of win big or go home.

Nonsense like this game is one of the reasons I've eased right back on playing recently, especially since the maths models of modern slots are so bloody opaque that a lot of the time it's impossible to work out what the hit potential is and where the variance lies, and I simply don't have the patience any longer to do thousands of spins in free play mode to work those things out before committing real funds to playing a slot.

Just one note with Jammin' Jars - you're not really getting a 'feature' in the traditional sense, as we observed from one pair of streamers hitting the same big wins, the entire sequence from the base game wins that lead into the 'feature' trigger are all part of the same single pre-determined sequence. Doesn't make any difference as such, but the entire thing is one 'ball out of the bag' pick.

 

[Solidus]

This game went insane for me earlier. £20 in, £7000 out.
Here's a short clip from my stream:

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Full video if you want to find the others:

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Wow!

 

[Solidus]

It went nuts again.

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[Mouche12]

Wow!! Congrats Solidus!

 

[Greigssy]

That's an amazing hit congrats!

I have won just over 1000xbet (0.20) once but I'm still way down and my RTP at one casino is 44% in 3000 spins.

This game should be played with extreme caution, and I wouldn't deposit to play this anymore.
If I've got a nice high balance only then I would give it a few hundred spins and hope it is in a good mood which tbh is very rare.

 

[dunover]

It went nuts again.

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11121.4x !!!!!!!

Do us a favour mate, there is a special thread for 'Hyper Wins' (over 10,000x bet) which is used about as much as a sandwich toaster.

Can you add it there too?

Hyper-Wins Screenshots (10,000x Stake Plus)

P.S. If this ain't screenshot of the month for January, possibly the whole of 2019, I'll be surprised!

P.P.S. Make sure you PM this image to @ChopleyIOM

 

[The Viking]

11121.4x !!!!!!!
which is used about as much as a sandwich toaster.

hehe i just used a sandwich toaster 20 minutes ago
had nothing to post in Hyper thread though

 

[The Viking]

darn not again my puter needs an overhaul can you delate few of thos replies please