It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid

[bethug]

It sad you have to come to a forum or contact the webmaster to get paid.
How many players that dont visit the boards are not getting paid.

I listen to casinomeister webcast and i like his points on webmaster promoting slow paying casinos. Which have me to beleive alot of people just give up and dont try to collect after a while.

How can u trust some webmaster and they promote any casinos and they use the excuse cause they always pay in the end. You cant. There way to many good casinos out there to promote bad ones. IF you see a portal promoting bad casinos, email them ask them why?

 

[The Dude]

Just so you know where Bethug is coming from:

This is from Friday's webcast:
https://www.casinomeister.com/podcasts/

Me: We all know that Grand Banks, Black Widow, and Sterlinghouse casinos either delay payments or withhold payments. Honestly, I feel its a cash flow problem, or a rob Peter to pay Paul situation. But regardless, any portal operator with any scruples would not be promoting this group of casinos. Unfortunately, these two webmasters who run these portals are some of the most outspoken dweebs on the message boards. And they use other portal message boards to further their own misguided cause. They dont give a flying rats ass about the player, they dont give a flying rats ass about the industry.

Vortran: They have no criteria or selectivity on who to promote. They sell their integrity for financial gain. They are deceptive. They are not nice people.
*****end of transcript

The warning was for CPA's site and Cyndi Carley's gleeful banner farm. These two webmasters habitually promote crap casinos, and they don't give a damn about the player until the player has a problem. It's kind of like putting the cart before the horse.

Hey, how about NOT promoting problematic casinos. What a concept!

 

[mrracetrack]

Interesting that you picked "those two" portals to criticize...

Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

Lets see.... You did a wonderful interview with the new GM of WINNERonline... so I went to the WOL "CASINO LIST"... and what do I find on there??

Black Widow Casino Playtech Yes
BlackDog Casino Diamond Games Optional
Blackjack Castle iCrystal Yes
Blackjack.com OddsOn Yes

GoTo Casino Unified Gaming No
Grand Aces Aqua Online Yes
Grand Banks Casino Playtech Yes

Hummmmmmm...... "Selective reporting"??

 

[jpm]

Yikes! I hope that the 'yes' after the casinos' names mean that 'yes, this place sucks. stay away!'

 

[dickens1298]

WOL is merely listing those casinos...not offering any recommendations at all. And if you think it's implied, then I say caveat emptor. I have not seen the aforementioned casinos advertised on WOL.

And - by the way - the "YES" and "optional" fields relate to whether a download is required or not.

Interesting that you picked "those two" portals to criticize...

Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

Lets see.... You did a wonderful interview with the new GM of WINNERonline... so I went to the WOL "CASINO LIST"... and what do I find on there??

Black Widow Casino Playtech Yes
BlackDog Casino Diamond Games Optional
Blackjack Castle iCrystal Yes
Blackjack.com OddsOn Yes

GoTo Casino Unified Gaming No
Grand Aces Aqua Online Yes
Grand Banks Casino Playtech Yes

Hummmmmmm...... "Selective reporting"??

 

[the_cpa]

Those that have taken the time to get to know me, know that the picture you are trying to paint is patently false, and grossly inappropriate.

Perhaps those like yourself that don't, should.
What a concept that be!

 

[mrracetrack]

WOL is merely listing those casinos...

Sorry Dickens... I disagree...

WOL posts a direct link with an affiliate code...

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

THAT is NOT "merely listing those casinos"...

That is EXACTLY what Bryan seems so pissed about that those "other two" portals did.

He needs to include WOL also, if he feels this way...

 

[dickens1298]

Yes...mea culpa. You're right.

Sorry Dickens... I disagree...

WOL posts a direct link with an affiliate code...

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

THAT is NOT "merely listing those casinos"...

That is EXACTLY what Bryan seems so pissed about that those "other two" portals did.

He needs to include WOL also, if he feels this way...

 

[bethug]

Track you have a great point, i never pay attention to wol listed casinos, they once had crystal palace listed. But wol is a big company, not like one or two man shops.

Cpa i have a question( not trying to attack you cpa) but dont you think something is wrong when a player have to contact a webmaster time after time to get paid from some of these casinos. You know grand banks and a few others jerk people around. There to many good casinos you can push.

Also i read a great post that cindy posted about if u win 10000 , why cant u get paid 10000 and not in small sums. But still she promotes slow paying casinos. Cindy and you cpa have some pull , why dont u get all them webmaster and ask them to stop promoting slow paying casinos. You will make more money in the long run.

 

[The Dude]

Jeeze! I get the Carely gang in here

And it was Vortran who pointed the finger - not me.

Are they the "only" two that has Grand Banks & Black Widow listed??

No, but they are not merely "listed" at CPA and VPJ - they are advertised with bonus offerings and banners. If these two webmasters choose to advertise casinos that admittingly deceive players, then they should be accountable for their deception. They clearly advertise for this group of casinos.

And don't come prancing in here like there is nothing wrong with that by trying to be coy and pointing at WOL's casino "listings". This is like comparing apples and oranges. WOL (which is a company, not an affiliate) has every casino listed under the sun (almost), but the ones that sponsor the site are listed separatly.

You don't see banners for BW and GB at WOL, but at CPA's and Carely's sites you do. So what's up with that? No scruples, that's what.

Those that have taken the time to get to know me, know that the picture you are trying to paint is patently false, and grossly inappropriate

Oh barf. I'm not painting any picture, you are doing it yourself dude with your careless promotion. Just go away and don't bother me with your crap. And what's with the title CPA? Are you an accountant? Or does this stand for "Casino Players Advocate". If I were you, I'd change my handle to something more appropriate like Carely's hande at "This sucks"

 

[caruso]

Cindy and Nick have both helped me out - Cindy collected my outstanding $11,000 from Cirrus, and Nick expediated $1500 from Giant Vegas. Personally speaking, I like both of them. If one is attacked, one has a right to self-defence, and this courtesy has been flagrantly, maliciously denied these two at various other outfits lower down the integrity scale than Casinomeister. I hope they'll remain as welcome in Bryan's "domain" as he hopefully remains in theirs.

That's my first, last and only comment on this unfortunate matter.

 

[the_cpa]

That's my first, last and only comment on this unfortunate matter.

Thanks Caruso. British Isle rings a bell too!
The people that matter know the truth.
Those that don't; don't matter anyway.

 

[The Dude]

Thanks Caruso. British Isle rings a bell too!
The people that matter know the truth.
Those that don't; don't matter anyway.

Hey since you're in here, how about answering the question "Why are you an affiliate of Black Widow and Grand Banks casino?"

And since you promote them, how about contacting your affiliate managers and ask them why Embalu has been waiting since December 2003 for his payment? And he is just one player out of quite of few that have been patiently waiting. One guy has been waiting since September 2003.

Good going! How many players have you unknowingly screwed over, huh?

 

[The Dude]

Good going! How many players have you unknowingly screwed over, huh?

You don't need to answer that one since it is "unknowingly". Purely rhetorical.

 

[the_cpa]

I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations.
For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. I have responded respectfully to that here, just for the record.
One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me.

Also, we have covered this subject at the Sucks board already a few days ago. I don't have the time to keep track of, and re-write everything in multible forums.

My imput on this is there if you are really that interested.
If you care to add your thoughts or questions to that, feel free to do so.

 

[The Dude]

I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations..

How is bringing up the fact that you promote the Chance Group of casinos an insinuation? I guess those aren't affiliate links at your site, but insinuating ones.

For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. ..

Misguided no - you two webmasters are the first on the list since you choose the limelight so to speak. The spammers and portal masters who have hundreds of sites are culprits too. But since you and "her" choose to attract attention to yourselves, obviously you're the first persons Vortan and I pointed fingers at.

One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me...

Caruso said you helped him get some money back from some rogue-ass casino, and he said he liked you. Don't put words in the dude's mouth.

Also, we have covered this subject at the Sucks board already a few days ago. I don't have the time to keep track of, and re-write everything in multible forums....

Blah blah blah. Go back to your hole.

My imput on this is there if you are really that interested.

I really am not interested in your "imput". You've avoided my question on why you choose to promote the Chance Group, fair enough.

I'll move on to other matters.

To the rest of the crowd:

The main thing that I am concerned about is that there are too many webmasters who fail to see that there is a certain amount of responsibilty one assumes when promoting online casinos. Many webmasters don't get it. They see this as purely as a business - and will promote anyone regardless. There are also a number that will promote any casino, but will drop casinos when problems arise. That's fine and dandy, but by then it's probably too late for the player. Then there are webmasters who will only take on casinos after the casinos pass the webmaster's litmus test.

Anyway, I think what Bethug was getting at is how do players know what standards the webmasters hold their casinos to. And why is it that players have to come to the boards when they have a complaint.

Seems like I derailed a thread in my own board. Sorry

 

[ShadyPlayer22]

yah dont promote those two sorry-ass casinos (bw and gb). they are complete garbage. let them die like onluckcasino did.

 

[angahar]

Hey this is pretty fun to read. CPA could you post some more illogical and irrelevant blather so Bryan can trounce on it again? Please?

 

[jpm]

I choose not to respond to your patheic insinuations.
For your own misguided reasons you chose to single my operation out a crowd of hundreds, or maybe thousands. I have responded respectfully to that here, just for the record.
One of the most respected people from the players side has vouched for my integrity. That's good enough for me.

Well then if you really do have the integrity you believe that you have, how can you knowingly promote these ROGUE casinos on your site? Obviously its all about the money they pay you to direct the ignorant newbies to these clip joints, and I'm speaking specifically about Black Widow and Grand Banks. Please defend your promotion and tacit approval of these two rogues.

 

[The Dude]

Actually, when I cranked up the compter this morning, I banned both Mrracetrack and the_cpa from the forum. Here's why:

The forum is like my living room with the door wide open. I'm in here talking to people about stuff. People freely walk into my living room and sit down and blab away as well, whatever. I make some comments that "upset" some people, these people prance in, make their comments and leave. Fine and dandy.

As I go out for an evening stroll, these same people are standing on the street corner calling me an asshole. Do you think I'm going to let them back into my house when I get home? I think not. This is my house, not some soapbox in the town square for anyone to use at their whim.

If the cpa would have come in and debated why he chooses to promote the Chance group, that would have been fine. But if you reread this thread you'll see he never had that intention. I gave him his chance to do so, he chose not to take it.

Please defend your promotion and tacit approval of these two rogues.

Okay, one more chance. I've temporarily lifted then ban.

 

[jpm]

The forum is like my living room with the door wide open. I'm in here talking to people about stuff. People freely walk into my living room and sit down and blab away as well, whatever. I make some comments that "upset" some people, these people prance in, make their comments and leave. Fine and dandy.

Geez Bryan, I wish you'd told me! I would have put something on before I pranced thru your living room

 

[The Dude]

Geez Bryan, I wish you'd told me! I would have put something on before I pranced thru your living room

Yes, forum users who sign in - I can see you during your visit. I just never told anyone.

 

[LRDell]

Given the vagaries of human shapes and likenesses, Bryan should wear his mask with the eyeholes covered.

 

[amandajm]

Agreed that these guys should drop Grand Banks.

.: The rest i need to get right :.

:: The WOL bloke played down the importance of the recent spat between Max/Wol and the Sucks crew.

:: You ran the swarm over the Sucks crew about their choice of advertising on the same webcast?

:: Then you say a WOL aff link is different to their aff links.

:: Then you ban then.

:: Then unban them.

thats it i think.

 

[The Dude]

Well, times up. Bye CPA, you had the chance to explain to players why you choose to promote the Chance Group.

As for Amandajm, the WOL interview had nothing to do with my views on these two webmasters, and any webmasters who promote these guys. This has been a topic for several months now, you should know since you listen to the show occasionally

If WOL had BW or GB banners on their front pages or whatever, I'd ride them just as hard. Everyone should know that I don't have some weirdo hardon for these guys (the Chance Group), I am just adamant that they need to pay their players when they say they will. Six - eight months is unacceptable. Stating that they purposely delay payments is unacceptable as well. There is nothing underlying about my motivation here.

You ran the swarm over the Sucks crew

There ain't no board war here. I never mentioned anything about that board - except that the CPA could go back there. He has no business posting here from now on. I unbanned CPA to give him the opportunity to answer JPM's question. Nothing wrong with that, but he didn't take the opportunity to do so. Mrractrack's ban was never lifted. Read my analogy above and you'll understand why.

 

[amandajm]

WOL had richwebmaster banners up for a while a while back... Anyway ::

My reading of this is the people mentioned on the webcast are people that have called you names, not necissarily in your front room, but certainly on the virtual street corner.

That imo is for you what sets them apart from the other 200,000(aprox) pages on google of Grand Banks advertisers.

Which is fine by me, am not going to tell you what your rules of engagement should be and can't tell you to accept people calling you stuff without a retort from you 1 day.

Of course I dare say the other side will say you threw the first barb a way back when - something I don't know the truth of either way.

I just like to have it right if that is ever possible.

What really matters is can Nick or Cindy get the players payment asap.

For the record I personally believe you that Grand Banks are not worthy and do not hold with Nicks point of view about Grand Banks are ok to advertise because the firm pays - albeit slowly at times..

Peace.

 

[The Dude]

WOL had richwebmaster banners up for a while a while back... Anyway ::

Yeah, and so did I. And I removed Black Widows at first in December 2002, and the rest that coming Spring when the operator disclosed to me that his group of casinos systematically delay payouts. This was widely reported on.

Presently, some payouts (mostly 4 figures) have been delayed up to 6-8 months (not weeks). Thus another warning went out a couple of weeks ago warning of a cash flow problem.

My reading of this is the people mentioned on the webcast are people that have called you names, not necissarily in your front room, but certainly on the virtual street corner.

Negative. The two websites I mentioned are run by webmasters who fail to uphold expected standards in advertising. It has nothing to with anything they've done in the past, because I could give a flying rat's ass about that right now. What they are doing is wrong, and it was pointed out in a frank manner.

A couple of weeks before then, a webmaster was nailed on the webcast for using Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) (notice the extra "l") as an unorthodox marketing tool. I don't know the guy - there was no vendetta involved - but what he is doing is clearly wrong and it was pointed out.

That imo is for you what sets them apart from the other 200,000(aprox) pages on google of Grand Banks advertisers.

Wrong, I made it clear that these two webmasters brought this on themselves by their outspokeness.

You shouldn't spend so much time trying to read between the lines - there ain't nothing there. If you choose to promote casinos that are screwing the players, you should be held accountable for your poor decisions.

What really matters is can Nick or Cindy get the players payment asap.

No that doesn't matter. It's a day late and a dollar short. The damage has been done.

I just like to have it right if that is ever possible.

Email me and I will provide you with answers to anything you have.

 

[amandajm]

OK - take on the unworthy webmasters with my blessing.

Have it right though because it feels like you are calling on the webcast listeners to avoid these type of people/portals. There are 200'000 pages on google with grand banks stuff on it and WOL are 1 of them.

To avoid is to boycott, not go there, stay away from? How else is anyone to hold them "accountable"?

It's all or none ~B, not people you don't like or who you think are outspoken sir. An aff link is an aff link in my eyes - i will not be moved by "level of advertising" or "link placement/positioning" arguements.

So :: Reading between the lines - They (Nick etc) say systematic slow pay by these casinos is not the case and you have a hardon for them because the guy faced you off at a conference or something.

They seem to admit slow pay with this firm and urge GB to review their payout policy.

Hence it is imperative they get the players paid up asap and effectively prove they are right and you are wrong on this score.

 

[The Dude]

They (Nick etc) say systematic slow pay by these casinos is not the case and you have a hardon for them because the guy faced you off at a conference or something.

There was no "face off". We chatted quite cordially. In fact we've met and had drinks at the ICE 2004 and recently at the GIGSE. It's just the way they do business. I've also been in contact with Playtech over the past couple of months about this concerning this as well. Your friends don't have a clue to what's going on.

I'm leaving it at that. I have some bags to pack.

 

[jpm]

Systematic slow pay by this casino group is a stone cold fact. They do not abide by their own published information which states "Please note that the casino requires 7 to 10 business days to conduct due diligence regarding the withdrawal before it will be approved. After which point, it may be processed as below..." I'd like to know when the last time someone had their withdrawl processed in this timeframe.

 

[jetset]

Bryan gets in there routinely and does something about resolving hassles and trying to improve things at both the individual and industry level.

If everyone took the "all or nothing" route I suspect that not too much would get done, and if Bryan has personal knowledge on an issue that exists he has every right to address it directly and specifically.

Further, I don't see why players should not hold accountable portals that steer them to bum casinos where they struggle to get paid. They should lay their troubles on the portalmaster, who discharges his or her accountability by solving the problem with the casino, or explaining to the player why it is not a fair complaint. If that isn't an obligation that is accepted, as it is at Casinomeister they deserve to be avoided, imo.

The 'Meisters "Pitch A Bitch" section would probably be less used if that was the case.

 

[amandajm]

Agreed - as you well know.

If me and you sat down and level headedly put a list together of portals that do not have ANY casinos we don't like Brian we'd come up with a mighty short list.

Point in example would be Stings Gambling911 - your infopowa news appeared there at exactly the same time banners for Golden Palace were present some time back. I have read your opinion on G/Palace so I know how you feel about them..

Do I avoid you too for adding quality content to a site carrying moody wares?

Well the answer is no I don't and no I won't avoid you.

Am I trying to bust your balls? - Negative, am just saying it's all or nothing when it comes to a boycott/avoidance situation.

Cheers, J.

 

[jetset]

Amandajm this is tenuous reasoning to say the least imo. The supply of a weekly news column by an independent and external company to a portal bears no practical relevance to the owner of that portal being accountable for continually sending players to casinos he or she knows have a bum record.

GP is probably a bad example to use btw - although unimpressed by their past, the fact is that they are the subject of few if any complaints in more recent times.

The all or nothing approach will do nothing but generate hot air.

 

[m249a]

Let me say this before it becomes open season on my ass as well...(it is a great ass btw)...I have followed with intrest this story on both forums, I have no opinion either way as to who is right and who is wrong. I don't really know what started the whole thing, nor do I think its relevant...coming from someone who had a very bad experience with online gamming I was EXTREMELLY grateful for the help I got from everyone on both forums. In my very humble opinion, it is counter-productive for the group of you (sucks and the meister) to go at each other's throats. The reason of course is people like me end up eating the shitty end of the stick. More importantly back and forth attacks like this is exactlly what the "bad guys" love to see. It tears down the intergity that you have worked so long and hard to establish. The complete lack of regulation this industry has (online casinos) creats an enviroment that encourages fraud, theft, and abuse...not to mention all the diffrent and confusing T&C's that make it next to impossible for uneducated gambler's to ever get their money. This behavior has created a need for people like you...advocates, people who can make a shit sandwich not taste so bad. The very fact you do it for free speaks volumes on BOTH of your ethic's. Wish list or not, it still goes a long way for the players if and when we do get some sort of satisfaction in the end. Please spare me the tirade of "you don't know the whole story a@#hole...my fu#*!#' feelings were hurt"...A unified front is stronger than a broken front...people like you are the only thing standing in the way of some of these crooks and honest hard working players like me...and right now it would appear that line is getting weaker with every slam, and wisecrack handed out by both sides. Just my 2 cents.................

 

[dominique]

In my very humble opinion, it is counter-productive for the group of you (sucks and the meister) to go at each other's throats.

That is the nature of sucks. Sucks exists to create discord and to insult people. That is it's purpose, and it speaks about the people who frequent it.

The WOL bloke played down the importance of the recent spat between Max/Wol and the Sucks crew.

Yeah. Sucks launched attacks on me at wol. Repeatedly. And on several others also. Using cursewords and dirty vocabulary and bullying and all kinds of unsubstatiated accusations. That is to be expected inside sucks, so one doesn't have to go there if one doesn't like it. But to expect the people who run clean boards to put up with it is unreasonable.

If Sucks didn't have Meister and Deaning and Max and me to bitch about, they would hardly have any content. It's their life's purpose.

And as for Bryan pointing out websites that carry casinos he doesn't approve of - good. More power to him. More people should do so more often. Players should do it all the time.

I still think players should get together and hand out "seals of good housekeeping" type banners to portals that are clean and that stand behind their players. But that should be a player initiative and decision. Get together, scan some portals and hand the banners to ones you approve. It'll cut down on the BS out there.

 

[City Streets]

The following PRESS RELEASE is about the above poster, DOMINIQUE.

After you read it, decide for yourself if she should be throwing stones.

Press Release

The entire GPWA membership was shaken to its core this past weekend when it was discovered that one of its most trusted and high profile members has been attempting to ellicit regular monthly payments from a casino affiliate program for their volunteer work at the GPWA as the affiliate program's Liaison.

GPWA counts among its members many volunteers who act as Liaisons between GPWA members and specific affiliate programs. These Liaisons serve as primary points of communication to the members for the affiliate program, and assist with unresolvable problems other GPWA members may have with the program; they are not authorized by anyone, GPWA or any of its members, to act in any capacity other than this. Volunteers at GPWA are exactly that, however - volunteers. GPWA is not a revenue generating association and, other than a small monthly maintenance and advertising fee charged to the member casinos for their private forums, no one, not even the Manager, earns money for their work at GPWA.

The GPWA Manager, Cynthia Carley, was informed of this member's attempt to ellicit money from them on Thursday afternoon, June 26, by the manager of the affected affiliate program. After some initial investigation, Cynthia presented the situation to the membership for action. As this was discussed by the members this weekend, more and more information came to light that this member has been acting in a number of unauthorized and improper ways, much of it on behalf of, or in the name of, GPWA; some of it also on the behalf of other GPWA members, unbeknownst to them.

The entire GPWA membership wants it to be known that at no time was this member authorized to speak for any member of GPWA, nor for GPWA itself. While this member has done a lot for GPWA, we consider these actions of this member to be a very grievous conflict of interest and breach of ethics not representative of GPWA's ideals. After thorough discussion by the members a vote of the general membership was taken and, decided by the 3 to 1 majority vote in favor of, the member has now been permanently expelled from GPWA.

We want to thank the Affiliate Manager who brought this to our attention and sincerely appreciate the courage and trust it took for him to do this. One of GPWA's primary goals is to establish trustworty and productive working relationships with casino affiliate programs and we would encourage any casino affiliate program employee that experiences any questionable activity on the part of a GPWA member to bring it to the attention of the GPWA Manager.

 

[dominique]

Ah yes, I am sure the current owners of the GPWA are going to be real happy to see this rear it's ugly head!

This occurred actually because I dared meet with IGC members in Montreal a little over a year ago without inviting Ms. Carley. This apparently stepped on her toes as owner of the GPWA and the day she initiated my "vote" she told me so on the phone. I will never forget that venomous phonecall. I was unaware so much poison could emanate from a receiver.

Yes, I did have a contract with an affiliate program - but it had nothing to do with being a liaison. It was initiated by a manager who was leaving and I was to be available for questions from his replacement. I kept my part of the bargain, the program didn't. I made an angry post. Ms. Carley saw her chance to get my loud mouth out of the GPWA and pounced. It took three days of arguing, and a gag order, and a new vote to get me out. Re."votes" on the GPWA software: they can be set within seconds from the backend. And they were.

Since this happened I have been spending my time at the Casino Affiliate Programs board instead, and witnessed all the major affiliates joining there and Casino Affiliate Programs is now the favored place for programs and affiliates alike. You can look at the Alexa ratings and memeber programs to make up your mind. It outperforms the GPWA by eons. :notworthy

Ms, Carley since sold the GPWA and I am sure the new owner does not like this type of publicity - it was Carley's doing. One of Carley's famous sayings when the Meister, Bryan, left the place in disgust: "don't let the door hit you in the axx". Cute, no?

If you wonder about how I got singled out for such treatment - my big mouth helped a lot, but it is by no means a singular occurrence, as you can read here Old / Expired Link and in many following posts.

I should really be grateful to Ms. Carley - I used to think the GPWA was the end all on the net as far as affiliate boards went. I was so wrong and I would have never known how deceiving the news in there were. There were no player considerations ever. Everything revolved around affiliate profit and nothing about whether casinos were decent for players. This is what made Bryan leave I think (correct me if I am wrong) and it is something that as novice affiliate doesn't even cross your mind if no one bothers to educate you.

I should also be grateful to Ms, Carley because the above press release put me and my site in the spot light and it has been good to me. I now visit good boards such as this one and I educate myself.

The above press release evokes almost fond memories by now - what a trip that was!

 

[dominique]

Oh, and what concerns this:

We want to thank the Affiliate Manager who brought this to our attention and sincerely appreciate the courage and trust it took for him to do this.

Funny! This whole thing was carefully planned to happen during a weekend with attached holidays, so the affiliate manager above was confronted with a done deal when he returned on Wednesday. The program thought it best to stay out of an affiliate disagreement. They should never have been put in such a position. Whatever they would have said would have created a hostile camp for them.

Nobody ever said Ms. Carley didn't plan her attacks well. Even to the point of the above press release going out to managers within a COUPLE OF MINUTES after closing the "vote".

 

[bethug]

dom, you have nothing to prove, You go over there to thee forum and get curse out, quick and a hurry. They gang up on you. Promoting there crap.

Cindy must of hit it big at a casino, they told her she can only get installments, so she wants to pull casino that pay installements, but keep casinos that slow play( grandbanks, blackwilliow, and promote destination poker. I hope when she get her money she will pay the hotel bill, she didnt pay.

 

[jpm]

Well to me, City Street's posting means absolutely nothing, since it doesn't identify who this person was that they expelled. Dominique could have quite easily have said that it doesn't refer to her.

I give her credit for owning up to it and explaining the circumstances.

 

[dominique]

City Street committed a big booboo by putting my name to it.

Ms. Carley was very careful not to - to avoid being sued for libel, slander and character asassination.

The original URL it was posted on had "dom" in it, and that was promptly corrected when I pointed it out elsewhere.

Hmmm.... naw. I really could care less at this point. Back then though I did seriously consider sueing. Just that my lawyer said that there was little to gain by it - except perhaps ownership of GPWA. While that might have been poetic justice, there was no monetary value to be had and hey - I never thought of the GPWA as a "thing", it's a bunch of people. It was a lot of nice people, too. Most of them are not GPWA anymore though.

When I attended an evening with Fortune Lounge and the ponies in London there were a number of webmasters there (Bryan too) and one of the Fortune guys asked Spearmaster: "Are these the people from GPWA?" He looked around and grinned and said: "No, that's more like the the ex-GPWA people".

Carley always installed a cult type attitude there: Us against the world!

That is why you can't see the majority of the conversations there, only what they want you to see. It's all so secretive and private and the worst thing on earth is someone who is not a current member reading it. LOL! There is no such thing as an organization communicating in secrecy on the net. Everything leaks.

Why is it so terrible that it leaks? Beats me. Casino Affiliate Programs has most of the discussions in the open like here, and anyone can come in and say what they like. Seems a lot more reasonable to me.

GPWA didn't want the managers to see what we were saying. That makes little sense. If they don't see it they sure can't fix it.

 

[rowmare]

City Street, in my opinion, posting that old b.s. about Dom showed less class than a hooker on nickel night. Why don't you close your mouth before someone sticks an apple in it?

You are a classic case of cranium-rectal inversion.

I have been to that 'sucks' forum. I see that neither Dom nor the Meister are posters there, yet there are some very distaseful, adolescent attacks towards them going on.

Keep up the good work -- the worse y'all behave, the better the rest of us look

 

[City Streets]

I have been to that 'sucks' forum. I see that neither Dom nor the Meister are posters there

Au Contrare... rowmare... Do a search on sucks, and you will indeed find a post from the Casinomeister on there.

City Street, in my opinion, posting that old b.s. about Dom showed less class than a hooker on nickel night. Why don't you close your mouth before someone sticks an apple in it?... You are a classic case of cranium-rectal inversion.

A rather silly way to express yourself, rowmare. Unless you are about 14 years old.

And you may consider the press release 'b.s.' but unless you were privy to what happened in this situation, you have no grounds on which to make that statement.

Some words of wisdom for you, rowmare....

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain
- and most fools do. -- Dale Carnegie

 

[dominique]

A rather silly way to express yourself, rowmare. Unless you are about 14 years old.

When you have to throw insults instead of presenting facts, you know you're not doing very well.

 

[rowmare]

When you have to throw insults instead of presenting facts, you know you're not doing very well.

Bethug's inquirey has merit, and should be dealt with in an up-front and honest manner. There was just no need to be offensive, however your response does show what makes you tick.

I stand by my post. Although I feel a little embarassed by my outburst, unsollicited attacks make me sick, and there was no reason for you to do so in this thread.

I appologize to the other meister forum members for being exposed to my temper tantrum, though. I'm not terribly proud of giving in to my baser instincts in this way.

 

[jpm]

And you may consider the press release 'b.s.' but unless you were privy to what happened in this situation, you have no grounds on which to make that statement.

Actually, I'm the one who said it was b.s., and it still is b.s. since it does not identify who the person is that is referred to in the so-called press release. If it were such a block buster of a scandal, they should have named the perpetrator so that everyone would know to be wary of them, etc. By not doing so tells me there was some kind of behind the scenes goings on that reinforce what Dominique has posted here.

 

[dominique]

And you may consider the press release 'b.s.' but unless you were privy to what happened in this situation, you have no grounds on which to make that statement.

Yep, press releases about anonymous people and anonymous posts by those who are "privvy to what happened in this situation".

I don't know who you are (although I have a wild guess) but there were only 3 people "privvy to what happened in this situation". One is Ms. Carley and the other two are very unlikely to be posting here. Hence you are not one of them.

 

[City Streets]

Annette,

I made no comments on the accusations posted in the press release. I posted it as a reference for others to consider, as to your credibility.

You posted negative comments and opinions about some issues with another portal. I just wanted to inform everyone of the reason for your ongoing crusade against certain people and websites, and allow for them to decide for themselves if what you posted is to be believed.

I personally feel you have a vendetta that makes your opinions about this matter rather jaded and non factual.

 

[dominique]

DEAR ANONYMOUS

I have been advocating a player group to hand out seals of approval to sites that advertise only clean casinos for a long time. You can find me posting about it all over the place.

It has zero to do with any press releases or any other crap you may wish to drag up.

Perhaps you would like to identify yourself - I am not afraid to stand behind my words.

How come you are?

 

[rowmare]

...
I personally feel you have a vendetta that makes your opinions about this matter rather jaded and non factual.

The facts are that the vendetta is operating in the other direction, City Streets, from you outward. And I also can guess who you are, just based on your behaviour in this one thread.

I have noticed that the things you accuse other people of are actually things you have done or do. This is consistent on your part.

This behaviour is classic transference, and this, among other things you have said or do, are classic signs of more than one personality disorder.

If you like, I'll go on and list all the signs, but I don't care to waste any more time on you.

It is to other's misery when they catch your attention and fall victim to your dillusions. I can only regret that there are yet some people left who still feel you have any credibility at all, and actually listen to and believe your misguided tirades.

For the rest of us, the best thing we can do is to ignore this person: When these people no longer get the attention they crave, they stop getting the payback they're seeking, and eventually they move on to new targets and conflicts.