Is R.T.P. a misnomer and are its percentages misleading to customers?

[mikeMega]

Just going to say, take no notice of shit affiliate sites with incorrect information, especially ones that are breaking the UKGC rules on advertising and the CAP code in multiple places.

Maybe @CasumoAffiliates @CasumoLouis @LeoVegas Affiliates @LeoVegas Rep @MrGreen&Evoke Aff. Manager @Mark_32Red @Guts @UnibetDavid @Unibet Rep @Melvin - Panda @L&L-Jan @Team.Videoslots might all want to scroll through the site and close the affiliate's accounts before they get fined for allowing it. No terms and conditions or anything.

How could rat affiliates be getting away with this??? note I said rat affiliates not affiliates are rats, Im not tarring everyone with the same brush

I think everyone who starts playing slots will learn the hard way about the risks, the only real shortcut is providing the odds alongside the rtp and there is considerable resistance to this idea from the industry and also some players who like the mystery.

I played a bit of rhino today, had 23 dead spins in a row, a few 1 x wins and then another 20 odd dead results, the sense of rigged and un random soon dominates your thinking and cussing, but if someone can win 1000x the money's got to come from somewhere...

any truth to the raging rhino megaways rumour?

 

[paul7388]

any truth to the raging rhino megaways rumour?

Not that you want my replies lol but i saw it launches 25th June.

 

[mikeMega]

Not that you want my replies lol but i saw it launches 25th June.

Thank you

 

[trancemonkey]

Can I hear some tunes please? Good man for the answer, what do you think would be a better way to state risk more clearly should a law like that come into place?

A law like that is extremely unlikely to come in to place. But as I've said, standard deviation or volatility (how spicy is the game) would be the two most likely to be accepted by the industry and most telling for players.

 

[mack341]

any truth to the raging rhino megaways rumour?

yeah it should be fun I hope they do a high standard/production value job on it, take aspects of the original graphics and sounds but bring it up to date and also have a higher bonus frequency than bonanza, 3 diamonds to get a bonus etc..it may have been the success and style of play of the slot 'primal' megaways that convinced them rhino would transfer well...

 

[mikeMega]

A law like that is extremely unlikely to come in to place. But as I've said, standard deviation or volatility (how spicy is the game) would be the two most likely to be accepted by the industry and most telling for players.

Unlikely but not impossible. I think that providers should be made to state their claimed feature frequency right beside their rtp on the title screen of the game. I think that would give the player a better understanding of the odds for freespins and what they are getting themselves into and it would cover the provider too.

yeah it should be fun I hope they do a high standard/production value job on it, take aspects of the original graphics and sounds but bring it up to date and also have a higher bonus frequency than bonanza, 3 diamonds to get a bonus etc..it may have been the success and style of play of the slot 'primal' megaways that convinced them rhino would transfer well...

Yeah I liked Primal, never had a monster win on it so far but had plenty of bonuses and 1 200x bonus too. Base game can be better than the bonuses!

 

[dionysus]

as trance (I think) pointed out, giving feature rate is just one more peice if IP floating around (and sure, reps, casinos and affys often have that tidbit) - but releasing it to the general public would likely just kill some slots
but even so, it's irrelevant

what good is knowing a bonus 'may' pop at 250 spins - it's across vast numbers......doesnt mean youll see one in 250, it might be 3 in 750, 4 in 1000 and all at the far end of the number

ie 499 spins then bam 2 back to back

 

[mack341]

Yeah I liked Primal, never had a monster win on it so far but had plenty of bonuses and 1 200x bonus too. Base game can be better than the bonuses!

It's a good game and starts to make you wonder why bonanza needs such a low bonus frequency...

I agree re stating the game's average bonus frequency in the help file, as a part of the rtp advertised is locked away in the bonus round it seems only fair the player has a rough idea of how many spins are required to get a feature. After a while the slot tracking software gives out these figures any way [can't remember the name of that software 'slot tracker'?]

 

[goatwack]

Anyone remember the 'bonus-in-150-spins' days?

No?

 

[dionysus]

It's a good game and starts to make you wonder why bonanza needs such a low bonus frequency...

I agree re stating the game's average bonus frequency in the help file, as a part of the rtp advertised is locked away in the bonus round it seems only fair the player has a rough idea of how many spins are required to get a feature. After a while the slot tracking software gives out these figures any way [can't remember the name of that software 'slot tracker'?]

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[dionysus]

Anyone remember the 'bonus-in-150-spins' days?

No?

tbh, I mostly remember the figure 1 in 250, but I think the lower var ones did

 

[mikeMega]

Anyone remember the 'bonus-in-150-spins' days?

No?

was that a real thing?

 

[KasinoKing]

Anyone remember the 'bonus-in-150-spins' days?

No?

No.
Except on RTG's "Feature Guarantee" slots.
Unfortunately they do NOT guarantee that the feature isn't going to be total pants... except on their "Win-Win" slots

KK

 

[mikeMega]

It's a good game and starts to make you wonder why bonanza needs such a low bonus frequency...

I agree re stating the game's average bonus frequency in the help file, as a part of the rtp advertised is locked away in the bonus round it seems only fair the player has a rough idea of how many spins are required to get a feature. After a while the slot tracking software gives out these figures any way [can't remember the name of that software 'slot tracker'?]

I thought slot tracker was just for tracking your wins losses more of an accounting tool but I dont use it so I do not know all the features it has

 

[nikantw]

Don't have time to read the thread right now but you can read what I think in my signature thread.

 

[mack341]

steamtower must have been quite frequent iirc but could tear you a new one if you were unlucky, rhino is about 1 in 115, and as the minimum stake is 40p, wagering wise it's half of bonanza [460 x20p /115 x 40p]

 

[Gaz237]

"Seriously you think that is a good idea what you posted." Sorry Bryan obviously I think it was a good idea or I wouldnt have posted it so to me it is an attack (all be it a very slight one) because it suggests it is something I never thought through and could imply a dig at me for my stupidity by Paul. Thats personal in my book. All I would like is input on the questions I asked and I was very specific about that. I dont need digs and I dont want them, thats trolling.

What he actually means, is that only wants people who agree with him to answer. Other wise you go on his iggy list. as me and Dion have found out.

To be honest with his self righteous posting style, cant see him being around long.

 

[goatwack]

No.
Except on RTG's "Feature Guarantee" slots.
Unfortunately they do NOT guarantee that the feature isn't going to be total pants... except on their "Win-Win" slots

KK

That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!

 

[mack341]

I thought slot tracker was just for tracking your wins losses more of an accounting tool but I dont use it so I do not know all the features it has

I don't have it either as I'm too tight to fork out the subscription but seen screenshots of the community info re a slot's average bonus frequency, I think if you play slots a lot and at sites with a huge choice of games, I think it could be worth the outlay.

 

[colinsunderland]

I don't have it either as I'm too tight to fork out the subscription but seen screenshots of the community info re a slot's average bonus frequency, I think if you play slots a lot and at sites with a huge choice of games, I think it could be worth the outlay.

is it not free?

 

[mikeMega]

That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!

You see its discord like this between experienced players that still needs to be had. Theres to many grey areas and thats my entire point. More transparency destroys the doubts and confusion and it benefits everyone involved from the player to the provider.

 

[paul7388]

That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!

People have short memories tho lol. Even 10 years ago at the time when free spins should occur within 200 spins or so it could be like today.

I remember sessions 10 years ago where i rattled through £100 on 25p stakes and never got the bonus once which probably would be like a 1000 spins or so. But people tend to forget sessions like that as if everything was great way back then.

 

[goatwack]

People have short memories tho lol. Even 10 years ago at the time when free spins should occur within 200 spins or so it could be like today.

I remember sessions 10 years ago where i rattled through £100 on 25p stakes and never got the bonus once which probably would be like a 1000 spins or so. But people tend to forget sessions like that as if everything was great way back then.

Oh yes make no mistake, people whined like hell even then

 

[mack341]

is it not free?

dunno for sure, I thought I read it was a tenner a month

 

[dionysus]

is it not free?

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[mikeMega]

People have short memories tho lol. Even 10 years ago at the time when free spins should occur within 200 spins or so it could be like today.

I remember sessions 10 years ago where i rattled through £100 on 25p stakes and never got the bonus once which probably would be like a 1000 spins or so. But people tend to forget sessions like that as if everything was great way back then.

So the rip session isnt a new thing???!! he says sarcastically!

 

[mikeMega]

Oh yes make no mistake, people whined like hell even then

If the slots where lower volitility they probably had a right too!

 

[goatwack]

So the rip session isnt a new thing???!! he says sarcastically!

Swap Bonanza & Jammin' Jars with Immortal Romance & DOA and you're good to go!

 

[colinsunderland]

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thanks, thought I had seen it was free now. They got bought out by someone didn't they?

 

[paul7388]

So the rip session isnt a new thing???!! he says sarcastically!

Afraid not.

Take the old LOTR'S slot. one of my favourites of all time. Once lost £150 on that at minimum stake without hitting bonus once. Considering the fact i had quite a lot of base wins the session must have been thousands of spins before busting without a bonus round.

But average amount of spins until free spins is exactly as it says average.

The same slot i also had several back to back bonus rounds . Also triggered free spins 4 times in about 15 spins once. But it is always losing sessions that get remembered more.

 

[dionysus]

thanks, thought I had seen it was free now. They got bought out by someone didn't they?

truthfully, havent a clue; I dont use it myself - im someone who doesnt even track their deposits - spin and pray kinda guy

 

[brianmon]

I thought slot tracker was just for tracking your wins losses more of an accounting tool but I dont use it so I do not know all the features it has

Slot Tracker will give you all the data on each game you play, (your)RTP, and SRP, hit frequency, bonus frequency, No of spins since last bonus, total No of spins, profit and loss, etc. Along with the combined data of all Slot Tracker users.
Plus the details of each individual casino
You should consider using it

 

[paul7388]

thanks, thought I had seen it was free now. They got bought out by someone didn't they?

They got brought by cherry group. Thread about it here Slot Tracker Progress post number 142

 

[mikeMega]

Afraid not.

Take the old LOTR'S slot. one of my favourites of all time. Once lost £150 on that at minimum stake without hitting bonus once. Considering the fact i had quite a lot of base wins the session must have been thousands of spins before busting without a bonus round.

But average amount of spins until free spins is exactly as it says average.

The same slot i also had several back to back bonus rounds . Also triggered free spins 4 times in about 15 spins once. But it is always losing sessions that get remembered more.

Thats it Paul,sure we cant have a brilliant winning session with a bunch of bonuses within 200 spins without the drought to compensate. I just think thatthe advertising needs to be honest and something as simple as a statement like "average feature frequency 250 spins. Feature not guaranteed within 250 spins" is as easy to understand as anything and it covers the provider and gives the player fair warning.

Slot Tracker will give you all the data on each game you play, (your)RTP, and SRP, hit frequency, bonus frequency, No of spins since last bonus, total No of spins, profit and loss, etc. Along with the combined data of all Slot Tracker users.
Plus the details of each individual casino
You should consider using it

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can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?

 

[brianmon]

can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?

Only from installation. It monitors the spins as you play them

 

[paul7388]

can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?

It gives you the details and reports from all people using it in community results over whatever period of time.

But your own personal results only start from second you start using it. It can not tell you about your own previous sessions before you started using it.

 

[mikeMega]

Only from installation. It monitors the spins as you play them

mmmmmm I think I might try that, is it available as one purchase or does it work by monthly payment?

 

[paul7388]

mmmmmm I think I might try that, is it available as one purchase or does it work by monthly payment?

It is free.

 

[brianmon]

mmmmmm I think I might try that, is it available as one purchase or does it work by monthly payment?

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[mikeMega]

It is free.

Sounds too good to be true!! who owns it and are users protected from data sharing? You guys are gonna see just how dubious I am about everything LMAO!! I had personal data hacked from the massive breach of the website myheritage.com last year. over 1000000 peoples info was scooped. Next thing you know half the call centres in India where calling the land line night and day on the scam!!! Got to the stage now I never answer the landline and I keep "who called me" open in a tab as soon as I open chrome!! lmao!!!

 

[mack341]

Sounds too good to be true!! who owns it and are users protected from data sharing? You guys are gonna see just how dubious I am about everything LMAO!! I had personal data hacked from the massive breach of the website myheritage.com last year. over 1000000 peoples info was scooped. Next thing you know half the call centres in India where calling the land line night and day on the scam!!! Got to the stage now I never answer the landline and I keep "who called me" open in a tab as soon as I open chrome!! lmao!!!

If my pc can handle it I think I might start using it. But ignorance is sometimes bliss, if I find my rtp is 60% on a slot am I more likely to then chase on the basis of the law of large numbers or an overdue rtp correction, or if it's the other way 120% stop playing a game when it could still be a good game to play...

Everything is tracking us online in one way or another but you can never be too careful I guess.

 

[trancemonkey]

Unlikely but not impossible. I think that providers should be made to state their claimed feature frequency right beside their rtp on the title screen of the game. I think that would give the player a better understanding of the odds for freespins and what they are getting themselves into and it would cover the provider too.

And I've already explained in detail in this thread why that would be utterly pointless, to which you said "That's nothing I dont already know". So either you ignored everything I said, or you dont actually understand anything I said.

 

[trancemonkey]

is it not free?

It's free. Has been for a while now

 

[trancemonkey]

You see its discord like this between experienced players that still needs to be had. Theres to many grey areas and thats my entire point. More transparency destroys the doubts and confusion and it benefits everyone involved from the player to the provider.

No, it doesnt. For all the reasons I gave in the post you clearly ignored but claimed to know everything in.

What would you do if I told you a feature was 1 in 100, but you went 1000 spins without it. Which is certainly possible on a random game... You would moan about it, claim the 1 in 100 was a lie, and then you would be back on here complaining that you needed more information. Of that, I'm certain.

 

[dunover]

Thats it Paul,sure we cant have a brilliant winning session with a bunch of bonuses within 200 spins without the drought to compensate. I just think thatthe advertising needs to be honest and something as simple as a statement like "average feature frequency 250 spins. Feature not guaranteed within 250 spins" is as easy to understand as anything and it covers the provider and gives the player fair warning.


can this app recover previous statistics for any given ip address or does it work from the day of installation forward?

RTP is not a personal guarantee from the casino, or provider. Alas some people believe it is and therefore fail to understand the concept of 'gambling'.

'A drought to compensate'? Nothing of the sort - it's simply the maths/odds in play whereby you were lucky enough to hit a winning run which is odds-against, and to do that twice on the bounce is stretching the odds therefore is far more unlikely.

 

[KasinoKing]

That's funny, because that was the average hit frequency being touted when I first started slotting. Free spins every 150 spins or thereabouts on the games of 'the time'!

AVERAGE - yes. And it still is that for the majority of "free-spin feature" slots.
But the way you worded your original post, I thought you meant he feature WOULD hit in 150 spins.

KK

 

[Valhalla]

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Installing...

 

[dunover]

I'm stunned I didn't know about this. I use Poker Tracker but didn't realise there was a slot version
Installing...

You're opening up a whole world of hell for yourself, as your stats could well read like 'misery fiction' after a few months lol.

 

[goatwack]

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[Borgie]

Slot Tracker - Record And Review And Lament Your Slot Experience

Oh yes look at how much i lost there and so quickly too. Wonder if I should deposit again to try beat my best losing record. I love tracking slots