Is it allowed to be multiple players per account?

[Matt Saracen]

Hello! I was watching a little bit of slots play on Youtube just now and came across the channel LetsGiveItASpin (

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) where there in many videos are multiple players playing, also sometimes while the "main guy" goes to the bathroom or does some other none slots playing activity another guy or girl takes over and continues playing on the same account. Is this really allowed or is it against the T&C's of most Casinos?

For example at the 2:15:40 mark in this video:

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[Tirilej]

They don't pay anything. They can't win. I would think it's allowed since it's only for entertainment purpose and the person having the account is responsible.
As long as the player isn't underage it's fine with me.

Now how many couple's are there all over the world that are sharing one account? Would you go after them all?

 

[Jasminebed]

Pretty much not per t&c's at most casinos. But unless you are streaming, how would they really know?

I expect streamers ask permission, and get it cleared first.

I know there are a lot of couples that just have one account, and take turns hitting the spin button. It's not a bad way for a couple to have a bit of fun without getting a sitter and paying cabs etc to go out.

I've never let anyone play on any of my accounts, but on a Friday night my former roomie would come in while I was playing, and sometimes on the pick em kind of bonuses, I'd ask for her choices while we had a beer together.

Really, it's slots. What kind of advantage can you possibly gain by someone else hitting the spin button?

It might matter for tournaments, so if there's 80 hours of straight play it may be questioned.

Generally speaking, the more you spin, the more you lose, so if you and the missus want to do this for marathon sessions or to clear wagering on a bonus that has a short time frame, you could always email and ask first to be on the safe side.

 

[Borgie]

Hello! I was watching a little bit of slots play on Youtube just now and came across the channel LetsGiveItASpin (

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) where there in many videos are multiple players playing, also sometimes while the "main guy" goes to the bathroom or does some other none slots playing activity another guy or girl takes over and continues playing on the same account. Is this really allowed or is it against the T&C's of most Casinos?

For example at the 2:15:40 mark in this video:

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Its one account. the money that goes in is from LetsGiveitaSPins - bank or whatever method he uses - if he wins - which isnt often these days - the money goes back to him - yes he has friends round yes they sonetines play when hes out of the room as he lets them have a few spins. Its still one account .

Are you telling me that all the millions of people who play off camera never let ther partner, brother ,sister, friend have a few spins for fun or whatever .

As the Casino often have a rep in the chat of LetsGiveitaspins stream they obviously have no problems with this . Why would they really its one account !

 

[incrediblestuff]

Hello! I was watching a little bit of slots play on Youtube just now and came across the channel LetsGiveItASpin (

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) where there in many videos are multiple players playing, also sometimes while the "main guy" goes to the bathroom or does some other none slots playing activity another guy or girl takes over and continues playing on the same account. Is this really allowed or is it against the T&C's of most Casinos?

For example at the 2:15:40 mark in this video:

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Per T&C's like Jazzy stated it's mostly prohibited, but as Tiri and Borgie said, it's really just one account, and no real harm can be done, or fraud committed.

They don't pay anything. They can't win. I would think it's allowed since it's only for entertainment purpose and the person having the account is responsible.
As long as the player isn't underage it's fine with me.

Now how many couple's are there all over the world that are sharing one account? Would you go after them all?

I will go after all the couples, but only the women

Pretty much not per t&c's at most casinos. But unless you are streaming, how would they really know?

I expect streamers ask permission, and get it cleared first.

I know there are a lot of couples that just have one account, and take turns hitting the spin button. It's not a bad way for a couple to have a bit of fun without getting a sitter and paying cabs etc to go out.

I've never let anyone play on any of my accounts, but on a Friday night my former roomie would come in while I was playing, and sometimes on the pick em kind of bonuses, I'd ask for her choices while we had a beer together.

Really, it's slots. What kind of advantage can you possibly gain by someone else hitting the spin button?

It might matter for tournaments, so if there's 80 hours of straight play it may be questioned.

Generally speaking, the more you spin, the more you lose, so if you and the missus want to do this for marathon sessions or to clear wagering on a bonus that has a short time frame, you could always email and ask first to be on the safe side.

Good point about the tourney's hadn't even thought of that (you scammer, you! )

Its one account. the money that goes in is from LetsGiveitaSPins - bank or whatever method he uses - if he wins - which isnt often these days - the money goes back to him - yes he has friends round yes they sonetines play when hes out of the room as he lets them have a few spins. Its still one account .

Are you telling me that all the millions of people who play off camera never let ther partner, brother ,sister, friend have a few spins for fun or whatever .

As the Casino often have a rep in the chat of LetsGiveitaspins stream they obviously have no problems with this . Why would they really its one account !

I even had my cat spin the button on occassion ..won the jackpot, and was denied pay-out due to breach of multiple persons in one household, but sued them and won, on grounds of my cat not being a real person after all (although i sometimes really loathe his personality) Of course the last part of this sentence is quite made up, but let's blame the lack of coffee and the 7 joints i smoked so far.

 

[goatwack]

Jesus, it's the last thing I'd tell the casino, not that it matters if someone takes over clicking duties, but I'd rather avoid giving them the chance to diddle me with 'multiple players' or 'multiple accounts' terms thankyou very much.

It shouldn't really matter at all who takes over spinning, it's not something they'd be able to verify or particularly care about. The buck stops with the 'main' player and whether the person taking over is an adult too. And of sound mind - you don't want to come back and see them do £20 bets when you come back!

 

[Borgie]

Jesus, it's the last thing I'd tell the casino, not that it matters if someone takes over clicking duties, but I'd rather avoid giving them the chance to diddle me with 'multiple players' or 'multiple accounts' terms thankyou very much.

It shouldn't really matter at all who takes over spinning, it's not something they'd be able to verify or particularly care about. The buck stops with the 'main' player and whether the person taking over is an adult too. And of sound mind - you don't want to come back and see them do £20 bets when you come back!

Indeed only difference is when you stream everybody can see . Once Letsgiveitaspin let his partner take over and she managed to lose almost the entire balance in one spin by changing the bet size incorrectly . It was a double eek ! He took it on the chin as you have to if somebody else spins for you, as you say the buck stops with the main player.

 

[SlotGrinder]

The only reason casinos wouldn't like multiple people on one account is if there's really only one person playing and the "hosts" are just there to let the one person keep taking welcome bonuses on the same site . Or to let someone underage play on someone else's account (they probably don't really care about this in practise) . Or a banned player etc . Like JasmineBed said there's no advantage to be had by someone else pressing the spin button
There must be some advantage though by a few players pooling together resources for one account and playing higher stakes and maybe becoming VIP and getting perks ? Risky though for the players involved since if they hit the jackpot then they'd have no legal recourse against the owner of the account if he decided to run off with the money

 

[BrianGhattas]

I don't see a problem if Kim lets Reggie, Andreas or Maja take spins or when Cezar and Melissa take turns. It's still one account under one person. If it's been allowed for this long then there's no issues.

 

[Naok777]

The problem is that the casino only does KYC on the person the account is registered to, so the casino is potentially breaking the law / gambling license if they knowingly tolerate someone other than the registered account holder pressing spin even once.

And what do you think would happen if you got a massive win like for example 5 scatters at max bet on DoA?
It would be naive to believe the casino would actually pay up if there was even the slightest indication that anyone other than the registered account holder had access to the account, especially if someone is dumb enough to stream their t&c breach.

 

[Jono777]

I would have thought all of this moot.

Does not matter who is clicking the mouse, setting the auto spin etc.

As long as the casino account holders details are fully KYC'ed and all financial transactions (deposits/withdrawals etc) undertaken come from bank accounts / e-wallets which match the casino accounts holders details then I really cannot see the problem.

Crappy comparison some might say but if in a casino playing slots and I take a piss and ask missues to carry on spinning I'd not fear for my winnings etc.

 

[Jasminebed]

I think every casino I've ever signed up to had a term that only the account holder was to play on the account.

So don't stream it, and don't go to support and say I went to the bathroom and my wife/mother/cousin/cat placed a max bet and won!

And don't take shifts where the play is pretty much 24/7 for longer than a day.

Mum's the word.

 

[Naok777]

Mum's the word.

Exactly, otherwise you just give them an excuse to void wins.

 

[babyjoker]

Don't some streamers pool money together to play super monopoly money at high stakes on 1 account, don't know why Iv worded that as a question as Iv watched it many times

I think that is breaking the terms and conditions as the winnings would be split, not that your gonna win on that game!

 

[Mr Wild]

Basically its not allowed to let other people play on your account with most licence in the EU. However Im sure that bigger streamer gets a written consent from the casino that they would be allowed to have other people playing on their account. Then the casino probably would do KYC on these players and in theory should inform the regulator.

However, as long as the player gets a written consent that name X is allowed to play on their account. It falls under the casino's responsibility and the player should be safe.

 

[Jasminebed]

Basically its not allowed to let other people play on your account with most licence in the EU. However Im sure that bigger streamer gets a written consent from the casino that they would be allowed to have other people playing on their account. Then the casino probably would do KYC on these players and in theory should inform the regulator.

However, as long as the player gets a written consent that name X is allowed to play on their account. It falls under the casino's responsibility and the player should be safe.

The real biggie is that players are of age. I won't get into ethics or morality of letting your teenager play, just don't make it known if you do. And certainly don't stream it.

 

[interlog]

When streaming my play I have authorisation from the casino that my wife can play on my account. But that point is moot because she doesn't like playing slots so will never spin the reels

 

[spintee]

In terms it clearly states its your responsibility to look after account and pretty sure its agains the rules, BUT if you get permission from the casino than I canot see any real harm, I have thought about this before hand,
It could be an advantage as been pointed out, Such as pulled players all chipping in etc, more perks and more chance to win the big completions,

If a casino are letting streamers show there play with other non acount holders playing than isnt that asking for trouble, Its a big advert for multiple pool players.

If I made a thread and said myself, Jon, Harry, JD, and a load more have all added our funds and we are raking in the prize pools, Top spot on all tourneys etc, Most spins, I am sure we would all be banned from casino and there will be an up roar from other players,

I mean casino bang on about gangs of players and how they rinse the casinos whats the difference here? Only this time the pulled players are ripping us single players from all top spots in comps,


Ok so I guess there is many people that do it, Pulled together or just having a spin, But showing on live stream is risky and I am shocked to see a casino will alow this, Clearly its not just a spin and no harm done, They clearly pull together with even other streamers as well, Again there is no harm done really unless there winning lots of comps and top prize,

 

[SlotGrinder]

It's up to the streamers to take the risk . Clearly they are playing on the same account together for entertainment purposes only . Now if the casino which they are promoting then decides to throw the rule book at them then that's for the streamer to deal with . I mean let's not get the haters involved saying "look at them breaking the rules !!" because it's clear the streamers do it to try and keep their streams fresh/interesting and they are not trying to gain any advantage against other players

Private groups trying to win races and such is annoying but pretty much unstoppable for the most part

 

[Dinahnana]

As live streaming in Social Media grows problems are starting to pop up. What I mean by this is I doubt that any casino had this scenario in mind when writing the t&c's. I wonder how long will it take them to catch up? What worries me is that newbies might watch streams like this and think that it's okay to do things like using other peoples money to play slots on their accounts or other such things. For sure this particular situation with letsgiveitaspin is a grey area perhaps with a big toe in the red no no area.

 

[spintee]

As live streaming in Social Media grows problems are starting to pop up. What I mean by this is I doubt that any casino had this scenario in mind when writing the t&c's. I wonder how long will it take them to catch up? What worries me is that newbies might watch streams like this and think that it's okay to do things like using other peoples money to play slots on their accounts or other such things. For sure this particular situation with letsgiveitaspin is a grey area perhaps with a big toe in the red no no area.

That is the big trouble when people see others do it than they might think its ok, someone might sign up and get hes mates to from same house or play all all on one account, Get into some trouble and say my friend was using my account and bet to much, HOLD ON a friend was using your account? Yes as I see a streamer doing it and thought it was ok,

But than how can you expect a streamer to point all the do's and donts? Thats why I stated that casino it self has to be carfull of what they allow others to do, I see no harm in what he is doing but is it a rule breaker??
Also as long as no advantage such as competitions and all that, This VS one is a two day avent and they can take shifts, I mean where is the line drawn?

 

[Dinahnana]

That is the big trouble when people see others do it than they might think its ok, someone might sign up and get hes mates to from same house or play all all on one account, Get into some trouble and say my friend was using my account and bet to much, HOLD ON a friend was using your account? Yes as I see a streamer doing it and thought it was ok,

But than how can you expect a streamer to point all the do's and donts? Thats why I stated that casino it self has to be carfull of what they allow others to do, I see no harm in what he is doing but is it a rule breaker??
Also as long as no advantage such as competitions and all that, This VS one is a two day avent and they can take shifts, I mean where is the line drawn?

I am not even sure that the casino thought it out fully before letting people stream on their casino (if that is the case here). I see a few PAB's in the future with some elements of these scenarios.

 

[interlog]

I am not even sure that the casino thought it out fully before letting people stream on their casino (if that is the case here). I see a few PAB's in the future with some elements of these scenarios.

No casino can stop a streamer broadcasting live on Twitch or YouTube and playing their slots.

Some casinos have deals with streamers in the sense that the steamer gets something in return other than affiliate commission such as raffle or giveaways.

Casinos can easily distance themselves from a streamer so any future PAB's may not work if comparisons are made.

 

[Borgie]

I would be interested to ask Casino Daddy what their arrangement with the casinos they stream for is. They are 3 brothers from Sweden. They take it in turns to play - often the other two are in the room too . Now I "think" they have a "joint account" - they are genuine before anyone says they use fake money they show their deposits and withdrawals but I know at least 2 of them have their bank cards linked to the account for funding purposes from comments they have made.

The other day whilst one of them was streaming he talked about how much he had been losing off stream on his OWN account at this particular casino.

So it sounds like they may have a special account where the casino knows all 3 of them will be playing ?

 

[Dinahnana]

No casino can stop a streamer broadcasting live on Twitch or YouTube and playing their slots.

Some casinos have deals with streamers in the sense that the steamer gets something in return other than affiliate commission such as raffle or giveaways.

Casinos can easily distance themselves from a streamer so any future PAB's may not work if comparisons are made.

Agreed but this can run into dangerous territory. Streamers win big while several players are accessing account, casino then refuses to pay as per t&c's major headache.

Seriously I really think casinos ought to be more responsible!

I have two problems,

1. Casino making special deals with streamers such as this and pay then when they win when in every other case of another player using an account winnings would get confiscated. NOT FAIR.

2. Casino in respect of streamers such as this flaunt their own t&c's openly and this is not a good precedent to set. I feel strongly in this respect.


Now that casinos are aware that people live stream their sessions then they REALLY NEED to implement new terms into their t&c's so that both player and casinos are protected and clear boundaries are in place.

/rant over

 

[Jono777]

Streamers should be banned full stop

(easy guys, hatchets away I'm joking )

They do bring out the worst of my tinfoilitis however.

Won't name streamer or casino but I used to watch them regularly for an hour or so a time, maybe 30 - 40 different occasions over the months.

The one thing I could never quite figure out (hence the foil hatting reference) is that they NEVER ONCE had a dead session, pretty much like most of my sessions.

Sure they came across the odd cold(ish) slot and a few life less spins here and there but otherwise features would be hitting left, right and centre, re-triggers galore, "Big Win" animations like they were going out of fashion etc etc etc.

Now we can talk about 'luck' but IMO this wasn't luck not every time and at some point in the stream "Profit Land" ( ) would be achieved.

I could not help to think an affiliate streaming for their particular brand losing would not be a great advertisement, however if viewers and potential depositors saw them winning none stop then that's a totally different scenario...........

 

[interlog]

Streamers should be banned full stop

(easy guys, hatchets away I'm joking )

They do bring out the worst of my tinfoilitis however.

Won't name streamer or casino but I used to watch them regularly for an hour or so a time, maybe 30 - 40 different occasions over the months.

The one thing I could never quite figure out (hence the foil hatting reference) is that they NEVER ONCE had a dead session, pretty much like most of my sessions.

Sure they came across the odd cold(ish) slot and a few life less spins here and there but otherwise features would be hitting left, right and centre, re-triggers galore, "Big Win" animations like they were going out of fashion etc etc etc.

Now we can talk about 'luck' but IMO this wasn't luck not every time and at some point in the stream "Profit Land" ( ) would be achieved.

I could not help to think an affiliate streaming for their particular brand losing would not be a great advertisement, however if viewers and potential depositors saw them winning none stop then that's a totally different scenario...........

You obviously haven't watched any of my streams then.

Pop in next time and you will see me play just like you do at home.

I have the occasional week that I make a withdraw but most of the time it is redeposit time yet again to keep it going for the week until the budget is gone and that'll be that.

Edit to add: When some of the steamers say they are in "profit land" they sometimes fail to mention that they still have to clear the wagering. That is not profit land in my eyes. It is only profit land at the end of the wagering and the balance is higher than that they started with.

 

[Jono777]

You obviously haven't watched any of my streams then.

Pop in next time and you will see me play just like you do at home.

I have the occasional week that I make a withdraw but most of the time it is redeposit time yet again to keep it going for the week until the budget is gone and that'll be that.

Edit to add: When some of the steamers say they are in "profit land" they sometimes fail to mention that they still have to clear the wagering. That is not profit land in my eyes. It is only profit land at the end of the wagering and the balance is higher than that they started with.

Could not agree more Interlog, My post was more tongue in cheek and "Oh the Irony" than it was serious, but I think you appreciate that already.

I will be happy to watch your streams, especially as I am not depositing myself for the moment, in fact given the 'snippets' I've seen from your videos, I think I'd actually quite like them, you seem like a decent fella

If you get chance can you PM the approx times of your scheduled streams please?

 

[Dinahnana]

You obviously haven't watched any of my streams then.

Pop in next time and you will see me play just like you do at home.

I have the occasional week that I make a withdraw but most of the time it is redeposit time yet again to keep it going for the week until the budget is gone and that'll be that.

Edit to add: When some of the steamers say they are in "profit land" they sometimes fail to mention that they still have to clear the wagering. That is not profit land in my eyes. It is only profit land at the end of the wagering and the balance is higher than that they started with.

K
I haven't watched any of your streams but judging by your posts you stream alone and on all your money. This to me is perfectly acceptable to me. What causes problems is with streamers who like the ones we are discussing in this thread who are allowing others access to their accounts whether it's innocent or not. That is the issue here: are casinos knowingly allowing this to happen? and if so this is a bad precedent for newbies out there who watch the streams.

 

[Pontus]

Obviously it is not allowed. Can your buddy drive your car without a driving license because you want to take a break from the wheel? I dont really think the casinos will care though. They'll make money and the streamer will make money as well. Win win. All gaming companies are greedy. That's the truth. They want to make money, like you and me. They dont give a dime about T & C if they can make money.

What's the point of streaming casino slots anyway? Addicted people playing for an addicted audience, pathetic. How can it possible be fun to watch a random guy win much money? Must be hilarious to watch a guy lose money though. The good thing with all this is that all addicted players gather at Twitch. Compulsive gambling is terribly dirty. Bookmakers are even dirtier.

 

[goatwack]

I should have streamed last night's latest travesty. In fact I ought to do my own channel and name it "Goatwack's Botched Half Hour" because yet again I've conspired to turn a small deposit into dust.

£20 to £320, and then back to zero. Amazing!

My broadcast would cover many themes, such as how to best smash up your keyboard, mouse and monitor before punching myself in the face repeatedly.

Upon waking in my own piss and vomit and blubbing at yet another cock-up, I'll end the show Jerry Springer style with a message, probably the same one every night, "This is how not to play slots", before slinking into the corner of the room and rocking back and forth

It may only get three subscribers but fuck it, this is Youtube after all

 

[BrianGhattas]

I sometimes wonder if casinos have a problem with people using three different platforms with their account. I play mostly on my iPad 4 Mini. I use my ancient laptop for games not available on the tablet and I use my phone once in a blue moon. Back in July, I withdrew $400 or so from my tablet from VSO and it was rejected. Then, I withdrew from my laptop and it went through. Seems like companies only accept withdrawals from the device you joined with. What happens if my PC dies?

 

[BrianGhattas]

@Jono777

I can tell you that when Shaltar and OMGCezwho are streaming, they are in profit land since they do not play with bonuses. Also, letsgiveitaspin plays at Leo Vegas and the bonus is kept separate from his real funds. Those three can rightfully say that.

 

[Jono777]

@Jono777

I can tell you that when Shaltar and OMGCezwho are streaming, they are in profit land since they do not play with bonuses. Also, letsgiveitaspin plays at Leo Vegas and the bonus is kept separate from his real funds. Those three can rightfully say that.

That's my whole point, UNREALISTIC streams. IE: They always seem to win which is BS!

Lets see a stream where they find every slot dead, no bonus rounds or one which pay 5x and a BUST within 1/2 hour tops.

Easy way to accomplish this is to drive to my house and record my next session thru the living room window with a camcorder

 

[BrianGhattas]

@Jono777

They can come to my house, too. My last cashout was October 16. I did have long runs on the casinos but never got enough to warrant a cashout and eventually went bust. My 2nd last session was very similar to goatwack's, Went from $50+$50 to $320 to bust as every machine was ice cold on Casino Room. I have turned $50 to as much as $200 on my current Leo Vegas deposit but stand at $160. At least I can turn to Roulette to save me because the slots I have access to have been shit. Even my last Net Ent run in December ended in failure after I cleared the bonus. I need to stay away from those things!

 

[shaltar]

Streamers should be banned full stop

(easy guys, hatchets away I'm joking )

They do bring out the worst of my tinfoilitis however.

Won't name streamer or casino but I used to watch them regularly for an hour or so a time, maybe 30 - 40 different occasions over the months.

The one thing I could never quite figure out (hence the foil hatting reference) is that they NEVER ONCE had a dead session, pretty much like most of my sessions.

Sure they came across the odd cold(ish) slot and a few life less spins here and there but otherwise features would be hitting left, right and centre, re-triggers galore, "Big Win" animations like they were going out of fashion etc etc etc.

Now we can talk about 'luck' but IMO this wasn't luck not every time and at some point in the stream "Profit Land" ( ) would be achieved.

I could not help to think an affiliate streaming for their particular brand losing would not be a great advertisement, however if viewers and potential depositors saw them winning none stop then that's a totally different scenario...........

Well on my part last 2 stream i lost respectively 400$ and 300$ in no time playing under 1$ bet.... I guess you can call it bad advertisement

 

[slotter999]

There is a very recent story of a Russian streamer who had 30k EUR confiscated by videoslots for using an account which was not his.

The real kick in the balls is VIP manager Kenny was seemingly aware this was going on but I guess the big win triggered a change of heart.

The guy who had the money confiscated claimed to have 2 million eur in his skrill account so won't be down to bread and water just yet

I can't think of a good reason why you would want to use an account that didn't belong to you but if that's your thing then be warned.

 

[spintee]

There is a very recent story of a Russian streamer who had 30k EUR confiscated by videoslots for using an account which was not his.

The real kick in the balls is VIP manager Kenny was seemingly aware this was going on but I guess the big win triggered a change of heart.

The guy who had the money confiscated claimed to have 2 million eur in his skrill account so won't be down to bread and water just yet

I can't think of a good reason why you would want to use an account that didn't belong to you but if that's your thing then be warned.

Most likely complete false account, Fake name etc, there maybe boundrys by having a spin on your friends account but making a complete false one up is a next story,

Why you would you do that is beyound me but stating he has over 2 mill in skrill? something is not right, 1ST if it is true than why let skrill hold that much cash? I worry over a few quid and been shifted a few times by them, Sorted eventually but please 2 mill

Buy some gold or dimands or even bit coin but to let it lye in skrill, NO WAY,

 

[Jono777]

If I had 2 million ANYWHERE that last thing I would be doing is gambling/slotting.

Hell if I won 50K I'd never do another single spin, sail off in to sunset never to darken a casinos doors ever again

 

[slotter999]

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Make of it what you will.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.
Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

 

[Dinahnana]

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

When I read his complaint I didn't think that Videoslots agreed to this. Also Dan the end of your post is a bit ambiguous. You state that you wouldn't let a self-excluded player gamble on anyone else's account. Shouldn't that be anybody gamble on somebody else's account unless they are spouses or something with one account in the house and prior permission from you guys? Not nit picking here but looking for clarity.

In this situation you guys totally did the right thing and maybe this situation will help some online streamers (groups not individual) be more careful to abide by the rules.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

When I read his complaint I didn't think that Videoslots agreed to this. Also Dan the end of your post is a bit ambiguous. You state that you wouldn't let a self-excluded player gamble on anyone else's account. Shouldn't that be anybody gamble on somebody else's account unless they are spouses or something with one account in the house and prior permission from you guys? Not nit picking here but looking for clarity.

In this situation you guys totally did the right thing and maybe this situation will help some online streamers (groups not individual) be more careful to abide by the rules.

HI Osulle,

If you have the consent of the casino, then it is up to the casino to make sure regulation is followed in the jurisdictions they operate in.

Br,

Daniel

 

[Dinahnana]

HI Osulle,

If you have the consent of the casino, then it is up to the casino to make sure regulation is followed in the jurisdictions they operate in.

Br,

Daniel

Thanks for the clarification

 

[spintee]

Here is the link to the story:-

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Make of it what you will.

I certainly believed you, But I knew there would be a story to it, 2 million in account yet self exclude your self?? Than play live stream on next mans account lol, Where he will be getting affiliate cash from if he lost

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.
Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

Any one that searches Videslots I am 99.9% sure it would only have good reviews, any bad ones as per this topic than good ones out weight million to one, I know you have changed your affiliate around abit but where it stood you would have had to give abit of lee way if there was sign ups with same IP, I say this as you did or still have the affiliate tag built onto accounts, Lots are bound to ask there mates to sign up and get a little spin out of it, Being an bonifde (have a site) affiliate or being in the busniess than yes its a no go,

I can complete understand this situation where S.E and than used mates account where infact if he had lost he would of got a good chunk back, Let alone the times he had won and cashed in,

At least I know and hopefully the rest of players know that and confiscate cash goes back to us genuine players, With all the free spins etc,

 

[Slotrunner]

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.
Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

But you saw the stream first time around, knowing that self-excluded guy was streaming with his friend on friend's accout, and yet you let him cash out first time, you had no problem with that, as the win wasn't substantial. The next time when his balance was running up to $90k, I'm pretty sure you knew what was going on already, why didn't you closed account immediatelly then and suspend the play? Been waiting for him to lose all the money? And only when cashout was requested you confiscated all the winnings. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't utter a word if he'd lost all his money, right?

Basically what you did, is that your vip manager encouraged depositing more and streaming more, because highroller streaming at videoslots attracts a lot of viewers, and you were all good while he was streaming, you knew during the stream already who was playing on whose account, but you didn't suspend the play, waiting for him to lose all the money while streaming at your casino and gathering viewers.

 

[spintee]

But you saw the stream first time around, knowing that self-excluded guy was streaming with his friend on friend's accout, and yet you let him cash out first time, you had no problem with that, as the win wasn't substantial. The next time when his balance was running up to $90k, I'm pretty sure you knew what was going on already, why didn't you closed account immediatelly then and suspend the play? Been waiting for him to lose all the money? And only when cashout was requested you confiscated all the winnings. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't utter a word if he'd lost all his money, right?

Basically what you did, is that your vip manager encouraged depositing more and streaming more, because highroller streaming at videoslots attracts a lot of viewers, and you were all good while he was streaming, you knew during the stream already who was playing on whose account, but you didn't suspend the play, waiting for him to lose all the money while streaming at your casino and gathering viewers.

I will bet money at the time they did not know this, Its not like there mates and know ecth other, They take things at face value, How are they ment to know who is streaming? Yes photo ID but no face recognition here as thats only to secure things,

Only when there is big take outs they may diverge into real security, If they done this with every account and sign up than you need a separate office with a dozen or two more employers , 30k may sound alot to some including me but I bet VS play many of players this daily,

Alot of people know me on here, know my names Terry, Seen photos of me, Now what if I was not Terry but pedo pete? know one knows no different, Not untill you look into things, Yes there are measures in place for sites to pop up alarms but not every thing can be done auto,

You self exclude on most RTG sites and they give you a grand to play, Yes thats real responsible gambling with RTP in the <-

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi Slotrunner,

Our VIP department was contacted by the affiliate to increase a referred players deposit and withdrawal limit. We responded that the account holder had to contact us for such request. Then a link was posted to a YouTube clip on someone streaming Videoslots.

Our VIP agent was never aware that this someone who was self-excluded was playing on someone else's account tracked to his own affiliate account. At that time, we did not have the information that we had later and that prompted our steps.

Regardless if the game had been won or lost, all play had to be voided under the rules of our licences.

If you have further complaints, please send them direct to MGA. We will not comment on this any further.

Br,

Daniel

 

[asm]

Most likely complete false account, Fake name etc, there maybe boundrys by having a spin on your friends account but making a complete false one up is a next story,

Why you would you do that is beyound me but stating he has over 2 mill in skrill? something is not right, 1ST if it is true than why let skrill hold that much cash? I worry over a few quid and been shifted a few times by them, Sorted eventually but please 2 mill

Buy some gold or dimands or even bit coin but to let it lye in skrill, NO WAY,

Perhaps he did break the rules and when decisions are made over a payment of 30k, someone is bound to be unhappy in the end. This time it was him. I don't see why you'd have to make the guy out to be a cheater without reading his story or knowing the circumstances? Not that I am suggesting videoslots are in the wrong (or right) in this.

If I had 2 million ANYWHERE that last thing I would be doing is gambling/slotting.

Hell if I won 50K I'd never do another single spin, sail off in to sunset never to darken a casinos doors ever again

Somehow I doubt this




PS. Kim is a good guy, and there's usually a rep from the casino he plays in to answer questions, watch etc. so there's hardly any rulebreaking or anything fishy going on. If one wants to talk about streaming and problems, there are the leeches like roshtein who obviously plays with fake money, sucks people in with his aff links to make a penny while downright talking fiction in any way he can just to make a buck.

 

[spintee]

Hi Slotrunner,

Our VIP department was contacted by the affiliate to increase a referred players deposit and withdrawal limit. We responded that the account holder had to contact us for such request. Then a link was posted to a YouTube clip on someone streaming Videoslots.

Our VIP agent was never aware that this someone who was self-excluded was playing on someone else's account tracked to his own affiliate account. At that time, we did not have the information that we had later and that prompted our steps.

Regardless if the game had been won or lost, all play had to be voided under the rules of our licences.

If you have further complaints, please send them direct to MGA. We will not comment on this any further.

Br,


Daniel

I do not think this sort of stuff should be bought in fourms either, Nor would I rely on the MGA, If I was a business I would be straight to the police or fraud departments, I personally do like police and sort things out my on way but I not got a business

I wil bet most was dodgy accounts but sure somewhere you have some sort of info on him,

Like what I pointed out myself, How on earth are you ment to know who is the streamer? That said any crook or rouge site would of paid and aloowed this to go on, Not only is it a difficult business to be in but its all money transactions,

I would not piss on the U.K government if they was on fire but money is money and that is all they worry about