Is it allowed to be multiple players per account?

[Jono777]

Streamers should be banned full stop

(easy guys, hatchets away I'm joking )

They do bring out the worst of my tinfoilitis however.

Won't name streamer or casino but I used to watch them regularly for an hour or so a time, maybe 30 - 40 different occasions over the months.

The one thing I could never quite figure out (hence the foil hatting reference) is that they NEVER ONCE had a dead session, pretty much like most of my sessions.

Sure they came across the odd cold(ish) slot and a few life less spins here and there but otherwise features would be hitting left, right and centre, re-triggers galore, "Big Win" animations like they were going out of fashion etc etc etc.

Now we can talk about 'luck' but IMO this wasn't luck not every time and at some point in the stream "Profit Land" ( ) would be achieved.

I could not help to think an affiliate streaming for their particular brand losing would not be a great advertisement, however if viewers and potential depositors saw them winning none stop then that's a totally different scenario...........

 

[interlog]

Streamers should be banned full stop

(easy guys, hatchets away I'm joking )

They do bring out the worst of my tinfoilitis however.

Won't name streamer or casino but I used to watch them regularly for an hour or so a time, maybe 30 - 40 different occasions over the months.

The one thing I could never quite figure out (hence the foil hatting reference) is that they NEVER ONCE had a dead session, pretty much like most of my sessions.

Sure they came across the odd cold(ish) slot and a few life less spins here and there but otherwise features would be hitting left, right and centre, re-triggers galore, "Big Win" animations like they were going out of fashion etc etc etc.

Now we can talk about 'luck' but IMO this wasn't luck not every time and at some point in the stream "Profit Land" ( ) would be achieved.

I could not help to think an affiliate streaming for their particular brand losing would not be a great advertisement, however if viewers and potential depositors saw them winning none stop then that's a totally different scenario...........

You obviously haven't watched any of my streams then.

Pop in next time and you will see me play just like you do at home.

I have the occasional week that I make a withdraw but most of the time it is redeposit time yet again to keep it going for the week until the budget is gone and that'll be that.

Edit to add: When some of the steamers say they are in "profit land" they sometimes fail to mention that they still have to clear the wagering. That is not profit land in my eyes. It is only profit land at the end of the wagering and the balance is higher than that they started with.

 

[Jono777]

You obviously haven't watched any of my streams then.

Pop in next time and you will see me play just like you do at home.

I have the occasional week that I make a withdraw but most of the time it is redeposit time yet again to keep it going for the week until the budget is gone and that'll be that.

Edit to add: When some of the steamers say they are in "profit land" they sometimes fail to mention that they still have to clear the wagering. That is not profit land in my eyes. It is only profit land at the end of the wagering and the balance is higher than that they started with.

Could not agree more Interlog, My post was more tongue in cheek and "Oh the Irony" than it was serious, but I think you appreciate that already.

I will be happy to watch your streams, especially as I am not depositing myself for the moment, in fact given the 'snippets' I've seen from your videos, I think I'd actually quite like them, you seem like a decent fella

If you get chance can you PM the approx times of your scheduled streams please?

 

[Dinahnana]

You obviously haven't watched any of my streams then.

Pop in next time and you will see me play just like you do at home.

I have the occasional week that I make a withdraw but most of the time it is redeposit time yet again to keep it going for the week until the budget is gone and that'll be that.

Edit to add: When some of the steamers say they are in "profit land" they sometimes fail to mention that they still have to clear the wagering. That is not profit land in my eyes. It is only profit land at the end of the wagering and the balance is higher than that they started with.

K
I haven't watched any of your streams but judging by your posts you stream alone and on all your money. This to me is perfectly acceptable to me. What causes problems is with streamers who like the ones we are discussing in this thread who are allowing others access to their accounts whether it's innocent or not. That is the issue here: are casinos knowingly allowing this to happen? and if so this is a bad precedent for newbies out there who watch the streams.

 

[Pontus]

Obviously it is not allowed. Can your buddy drive your car without a driving license because you want to take a break from the wheel? I dont really think the casinos will care though. They'll make money and the streamer will make money as well. Win win. All gaming companies are greedy. That's the truth. They want to make money, like you and me. They dont give a dime about T & C if they can make money.

What's the point of streaming casino slots anyway? Addicted people playing for an addicted audience, pathetic. How can it possible be fun to watch a random guy win much money? Must be hilarious to watch a guy lose money though. The good thing with all this is that all addicted players gather at Twitch. Compulsive gambling is terribly dirty. Bookmakers are even dirtier.

 

[goatwack]

I should have streamed last night's latest travesty. In fact I ought to do my own channel and name it "Goatwack's Botched Half Hour" because yet again I've conspired to turn a small deposit into dust.

£20 to £320, and then back to zero. Amazing!

My broadcast would cover many themes, such as how to best smash up your keyboard, mouse and monitor before punching myself in the face repeatedly.

Upon waking in my own piss and vomit and blubbing at yet another cock-up, I'll end the show Jerry Springer style with a message, probably the same one every night, "This is how not to play slots", before slinking into the corner of the room and rocking back and forth

It may only get three subscribers but fuck it, this is Youtube after all

 

[BrianGhattas]

I sometimes wonder if casinos have a problem with people using three different platforms with their account. I play mostly on my iPad 4 Mini. I use my ancient laptop for games not available on the tablet and I use my phone once in a blue moon. Back in July, I withdrew $400 or so from my tablet from VSO and it was rejected. Then, I withdrew from my laptop and it went through. Seems like companies only accept withdrawals from the device you joined with. What happens if my PC dies?

 

[BrianGhattas]

@Jono777

I can tell you that when Shaltar and OMGCezwho are streaming, they are in profit land since they do not play with bonuses. Also, letsgiveitaspin plays at Leo Vegas and the bonus is kept separate from his real funds. Those three can rightfully say that.

 

[Jono777]

@Jono777

I can tell you that when Shaltar and OMGCezwho are streaming, they are in profit land since they do not play with bonuses. Also, letsgiveitaspin plays at Leo Vegas and the bonus is kept separate from his real funds. Those three can rightfully say that.

That's my whole point, UNREALISTIC streams. IE: They always seem to win which is BS!

Lets see a stream where they find every slot dead, no bonus rounds or one which pay 5x and a BUST within 1/2 hour tops.

Easy way to accomplish this is to drive to my house and record my next session thru the living room window with a camcorder

 

[BrianGhattas]

@Jono777

They can come to my house, too. My last cashout was October 16. I did have long runs on the casinos but never got enough to warrant a cashout and eventually went bust. My 2nd last session was very similar to goatwack's, Went from $50+$50 to $320 to bust as every machine was ice cold on Casino Room. I have turned $50 to as much as $200 on my current Leo Vegas deposit but stand at $160. At least I can turn to Roulette to save me because the slots I have access to have been shit. Even my last Net Ent run in December ended in failure after I cleared the bonus. I need to stay away from those things!

 

[shaltar]

Streamers should be banned full stop

(easy guys, hatchets away I'm joking )

They do bring out the worst of my tinfoilitis however.

Won't name streamer or casino but I used to watch them regularly for an hour or so a time, maybe 30 - 40 different occasions over the months.

The one thing I could never quite figure out (hence the foil hatting reference) is that they NEVER ONCE had a dead session, pretty much like most of my sessions.

Sure they came across the odd cold(ish) slot and a few life less spins here and there but otherwise features would be hitting left, right and centre, re-triggers galore, "Big Win" animations like they were going out of fashion etc etc etc.

Now we can talk about 'luck' but IMO this wasn't luck not every time and at some point in the stream "Profit Land" ( ) would be achieved.

I could not help to think an affiliate streaming for their particular brand losing would not be a great advertisement, however if viewers and potential depositors saw them winning none stop then that's a totally different scenario...........

Well on my part last 2 stream i lost respectively 400$ and 300$ in no time playing under 1$ bet.... I guess you can call it bad advertisement

 

[slotter999]

There is a very recent story of a Russian streamer who had 30k EUR confiscated by videoslots for using an account which was not his.

The real kick in the balls is VIP manager Kenny was seemingly aware this was going on but I guess the big win triggered a change of heart.

The guy who had the money confiscated claimed to have 2 million eur in his skrill account so won't be down to bread and water just yet

I can't think of a good reason why you would want to use an account that didn't belong to you but if that's your thing then be warned.

 

[spintee]

There is a very recent story of a Russian streamer who had 30k EUR confiscated by videoslots for using an account which was not his.

The real kick in the balls is VIP manager Kenny was seemingly aware this was going on but I guess the big win triggered a change of heart.

The guy who had the money confiscated claimed to have 2 million eur in his skrill account so won't be down to bread and water just yet

I can't think of a good reason why you would want to use an account that didn't belong to you but if that's your thing then be warned.

Most likely complete false account, Fake name etc, there maybe boundrys by having a spin on your friends account but making a complete false one up is a next story,

Why you would you do that is beyound me but stating he has over 2 mill in skrill? something is not right, 1ST if it is true than why let skrill hold that much cash? I worry over a few quid and been shifted a few times by them, Sorted eventually but please 2 mill

Buy some gold or dimands or even bit coin but to let it lye in skrill, NO WAY,

 

[Jono777]

If I had 2 million ANYWHERE that last thing I would be doing is gambling/slotting.

Hell if I won 50K I'd never do another single spin, sail off in to sunset never to darken a casinos doors ever again

 

[slotter999]

Here is the link to the story:-

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Make of it what you will.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.
Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

 

[Dinahnana]

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

When I read his complaint I didn't think that Videoslots agreed to this. Also Dan the end of your post is a bit ambiguous. You state that you wouldn't let a self-excluded player gamble on anyone else's account. Shouldn't that be anybody gamble on somebody else's account unless they are spouses or something with one account in the house and prior permission from you guys? Not nit picking here but looking for clarity.

In this situation you guys totally did the right thing and maybe this situation will help some online streamers (groups not individual) be more careful to abide by the rules.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

When I read his complaint I didn't think that Videoslots agreed to this. Also Dan the end of your post is a bit ambiguous. You state that you wouldn't let a self-excluded player gamble on anyone else's account. Shouldn't that be anybody gamble on somebody else's account unless they are spouses or something with one account in the house and prior permission from you guys? Not nit picking here but looking for clarity.

In this situation you guys totally did the right thing and maybe this situation will help some online streamers (groups not individual) be more careful to abide by the rules.

HI Osulle,

If you have the consent of the casino, then it is up to the casino to make sure regulation is followed in the jurisdictions they operate in.

Br,

Daniel

 

[Dinahnana]

HI Osulle,

If you have the consent of the casino, then it is up to the casino to make sure regulation is followed in the jurisdictions they operate in.

Br,

Daniel

Thanks for the clarification

 

[spintee]

Here is the link to the story:-

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Make of it what you will.

I certainly believed you, But I knew there would be a story to it, 2 million in account yet self exclude your self?? Than play live stream on next mans account lol, Where he will be getting affiliate cash from if he lost

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.
Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

Any one that searches Videslots I am 99.9% sure it would only have good reviews, any bad ones as per this topic than good ones out weight million to one, I know you have changed your affiliate around abit but where it stood you would have had to give abit of lee way if there was sign ups with same IP, I say this as you did or still have the affiliate tag built onto accounts, Lots are bound to ask there mates to sign up and get a little spin out of it, Being an bonifde (have a site) affiliate or being in the busniess than yes its a no go,

I can complete understand this situation where S.E and than used mates account where infact if he had lost he would of got a good chunk back, Let alone the times he had won and cashed in,

At least I know and hopefully the rest of players know that and confiscate cash goes back to us genuine players, With all the free spins etc,

 

[Slotrunner]

Hello everyone,

We have received a lot of questions regarding a certain player who also is an affiliate and the closure of his account after streaming.

On the 18th January, we received reports of a high limit player streaming Videoslots on Twitch.
When investigating the account, we saw that the registered player was not the same person that was playing on the account on Twitch.
Further investigation lead us to understand this was one of our affiliates.
When looking up the affiliates account registered in his own name, we saw that he was self-excluded from gambling at Videoslots.
That automatically voided all play as per the rules of our regulation and account was closed. All deposits were also returned minus any previous pay-outs.

Not only was the affiliate playing on someone else account while being self-excluded, this account was also tracked to his own affiliate account.
So, on all his losses he would get a big part back in affiliate earnings with no negative carryover. Getting a big advantage over the casino and breaching our terms and conditions.

The affiliate has made public claims that he had our permission to do this, but that is not true. The affiliate had contacted our VIP department to ask if we could raise the deposit and withdrawal limit on his friends account and that they used to play casino together. Our VIP department responded that the owner of the account had to do the request. Nothing else was communicated from us regarding this.

Under no circumstances would Videoslots allow a self-excluded player to gamble on anyone else account.

Br,

Daniel

But you saw the stream first time around, knowing that self-excluded guy was streaming with his friend on friend's accout, and yet you let him cash out first time, you had no problem with that, as the win wasn't substantial. The next time when his balance was running up to $90k, I'm pretty sure you knew what was going on already, why didn't you closed account immediatelly then and suspend the play? Been waiting for him to lose all the money? And only when cashout was requested you confiscated all the winnings. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't utter a word if he'd lost all his money, right?

Basically what you did, is that your vip manager encouraged depositing more and streaming more, because highroller streaming at videoslots attracts a lot of viewers, and you were all good while he was streaming, you knew during the stream already who was playing on whose account, but you didn't suspend the play, waiting for him to lose all the money while streaming at your casino and gathering viewers.

 

[spintee]

But you saw the stream first time around, knowing that self-excluded guy was streaming with his friend on friend's accout, and yet you let him cash out first time, you had no problem with that, as the win wasn't substantial. The next time when his balance was running up to $90k, I'm pretty sure you knew what was going on already, why didn't you closed account immediatelly then and suspend the play? Been waiting for him to lose all the money? And only when cashout was requested you confiscated all the winnings. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't utter a word if he'd lost all his money, right?

Basically what you did, is that your vip manager encouraged depositing more and streaming more, because highroller streaming at videoslots attracts a lot of viewers, and you were all good while he was streaming, you knew during the stream already who was playing on whose account, but you didn't suspend the play, waiting for him to lose all the money while streaming at your casino and gathering viewers.

I will bet money at the time they did not know this, Its not like there mates and know ecth other, They take things at face value, How are they ment to know who is streaming? Yes photo ID but no face recognition here as thats only to secure things,

Only when there is big take outs they may diverge into real security, If they done this with every account and sign up than you need a separate office with a dozen or two more employers , 30k may sound alot to some including me but I bet VS play many of players this daily,

Alot of people know me on here, know my names Terry, Seen photos of me, Now what if I was not Terry but pedo pete? know one knows no different, Not untill you look into things, Yes there are measures in place for sites to pop up alarms but not every thing can be done auto,

You self exclude on most RTG sites and they give you a grand to play, Yes thats real responsible gambling with RTP in the <-

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi Slotrunner,

Our VIP department was contacted by the affiliate to increase a referred players deposit and withdrawal limit. We responded that the account holder had to contact us for such request. Then a link was posted to a YouTube clip on someone streaming Videoslots.

Our VIP agent was never aware that this someone who was self-excluded was playing on someone else's account tracked to his own affiliate account. At that time, we did not have the information that we had later and that prompted our steps.

Regardless if the game had been won or lost, all play had to be voided under the rules of our licences.

If you have further complaints, please send them direct to MGA. We will not comment on this any further.

Br,

Daniel

 

[asm]

Most likely complete false account, Fake name etc, there maybe boundrys by having a spin on your friends account but making a complete false one up is a next story,

Why you would you do that is beyound me but stating he has over 2 mill in skrill? something is not right, 1ST if it is true than why let skrill hold that much cash? I worry over a few quid and been shifted a few times by them, Sorted eventually but please 2 mill

Buy some gold or dimands or even bit coin but to let it lye in skrill, NO WAY,

Perhaps he did break the rules and when decisions are made over a payment of 30k, someone is bound to be unhappy in the end. This time it was him. I don't see why you'd have to make the guy out to be a cheater without reading his story or knowing the circumstances? Not that I am suggesting videoslots are in the wrong (or right) in this.

If I had 2 million ANYWHERE that last thing I would be doing is gambling/slotting.

Hell if I won 50K I'd never do another single spin, sail off in to sunset never to darken a casinos doors ever again

Somehow I doubt this




PS. Kim is a good guy, and there's usually a rep from the casino he plays in to answer questions, watch etc. so there's hardly any rulebreaking or anything fishy going on. If one wants to talk about streaming and problems, there are the leeches like roshtein who obviously plays with fake money, sucks people in with his aff links to make a penny while downright talking fiction in any way he can just to make a buck.

 

[spintee]

Hi Slotrunner,

Our VIP department was contacted by the affiliate to increase a referred players deposit and withdrawal limit. We responded that the account holder had to contact us for such request. Then a link was posted to a YouTube clip on someone streaming Videoslots.

Our VIP agent was never aware that this someone who was self-excluded was playing on someone else's account tracked to his own affiliate account. At that time, we did not have the information that we had later and that prompted our steps.

Regardless if the game had been won or lost, all play had to be voided under the rules of our licences.

If you have further complaints, please send them direct to MGA. We will not comment on this any further.

Br,


Daniel

I do not think this sort of stuff should be bought in fourms either, Nor would I rely on the MGA, If I was a business I would be straight to the police or fraud departments, I personally do like police and sort things out my on way but I not got a business

I wil bet most was dodgy accounts but sure somewhere you have some sort of info on him,

Like what I pointed out myself, How on earth are you ment to know who is the streamer? That said any crook or rouge site would of paid and aloowed this to go on, Not only is it a difficult business to be in but its all money transactions,

I would not piss on the U.K government if they was on fire but money is money and that is all they worry about