Irresponsible streamers & affiliates?

I don't disagree with much of that, but a lot of what streamers do is wrong, playing with fake money etc, showing massive wins. Showing a massive win gets people to play a slot they might not have.
There are limits to what I would do to make money, I like money, but I also like not wondering if I've caused someone to become a gambling addict by show completely unattainable wins to get them hooked. Same sort of reasons as if I found a wallet in the street with £1000 in, it would be handed in, or when a cashier gives me too much change, I've always handed it back, as I know it would likely come out of her wages.

In regards to the streamers, when i said i,m on the fence, i was talking about genuine streamers who play at licenced casinos.

I only watch, the Bandit and Rolla and enjoy their content, mainly because i believe they are playing with their own cash Plus they upload videos win or lose, keeping it real.

I have no issue that their play is funded by affiliation, it's not something i would do, but fair play to them. If they get 30% of my deposits, it makes no odds to me as it has not cost me any extra money.

As for the likes of Rosh and Chip etc, i think it's disgraceful the way they portray Gambling in such an unrealistic way, every video with massive wins and mega bets and i do pity the people that do not realise that they are playing with fake money.

In an ideal world casino's should not be allowed to fund streamers full stop and should be fined.
 
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I'll be honest, I don't think I've seen many active reps get stick unless it's been justified. A notable one who left was obviously Casumo who were very active, but they totally deserve everything they got. Videoslots don't participate much now either, and that started dying off when they got caught lowering the RTP's, and got stick for it. Others have left under similar clouds.
You are always going to have the odd player who feels hard done to, but I think in most those cases, if a rant is unjustified, the members do back the reps up, but if it is justified, then they won't.

Everyone loses gambling on slots. Everyone knows that. When there is something happens that unfairly hits customers in their pockets, then things can get volatile. Streamers are a love hate thing. Some streamers more hate. They don't help themselves for doing things like promoting non gamstop sites (Fruity Slots), believing they don't have to follow the rules everyone one else does (Chip), promoting irresponsible gambling (massive stakes, £10k bonus buys etc). When you start getting providers in bed with them, paying streamers to play their games, advertising huge fake wins to entice customers to play, when they have an extremely dodgy history of cheating players, then the thread won't be a massive love in.

Put it this way, if their games are so great, why do they have to pay people to play them?
I can not defend the casinos,reps and providers Col. I was at the forefront in the attacks on Videoslots when they quietly reduced the rtp and it was me that noticed that they had stopped posting new games alongside the games rtp in order to hide that fact for as long as possible. I have a lot of respect for VS for riding that out and sticking with us. Many other casinos have turned their backs on CM after receiving such criticism. Others that may have considered joining in may be put of from doing so because they would rather not put themselves under such a spotlight.
It also has a big impact of the amount of competitions that are provided for us.
All I am saying is that what I am saying is worth baring in mind before going in for the kill because it may harm CM more than it does the casino,reps or providers.
I don't give a flying feck about streamers other than condemn their effect on problem gamblers
 
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@royalbonus20 - First question why pick a username like that? Secondly I will say this, how long will it be until you start to be like all the other streamers? I suspect it will not take you long at all. They all start out with the exact same words then they quickly change.

Twitch viewers force streamers to raise stakes and do bonus buys etc etc and that will not change. Yes you can be strong. But all they will do if you ignore what your viewers want will just drive them far far away from your streams.

Gone are the days when viewers did not care that much about stakes........ The gambling streaming market has changed a lot the last few years. Viewers are now only hungry for high stakes and bonus hunts and bonus buy streams........

Good luck but I am sorry to say this but you will join all the others in no time believe me. I am an EX streamer too and I was one of the early streamers too about 5 or 6 years ago. Those days are long long gone.....
 
@royalbonus20 - First question why pick a username like that? Secondly I will say this, how long will it be until you start to be like all the other streamers? I suspect it will not take you long at all. They all start out with the exact same words then they quickly change.

Twitch viewers force streamers to raise stakes and do bonus buys etc etc and that will not change. Yes you can be strong. But all they will do if you ignore what your viewers want will just drive them far far away from your streams.

Gone are the days when viewers did not care that much about stakes........ The gambling streaming market has changed a lot the last few years. Viewers are now only hungry for high stakes and bonus hunts and bonus buy streams........

Good luck but I am sorry to say this but you will join all the others in no time believe me. I am an EX streamer too and I was one of the early streamers too about 5 or 6 years ago. Those days are long long gone.....
Hi @DreamRJ

Thanks for your message.

Well for starters I dont stream on twitch. I wouldn't stream on twitch if they paid me.
Streamers (UK based) have been advised NOT to promote any brands via twitch. There is a loophole which is to stream without links and branding. I don't do this and the reason for that is because we have been told their is a risk of U18s accessing our streams on twitch.

So whilst some UK streamers are still on twitch without directly promoting a particular brand, they are doing so knowing full well that U18s may access their channels. I'm not prepared to take that risk.
I may promote casinos and gambling but I do genuinely believe that gambling can be fun if responsible.
Like going to the pub is fine for most who cab have a couple of beers without getting carried away.

The reason my username is royalbonus20 is my website/brand is called royalbonus and it was formed in 2020. This is the username for my YouTube channel AND my twitter/Facebook page.
I could probably just afford regular videos at around £2 spins but I rarely go over £1 spins. Most are on 20p, 40p and 60p stakes.

Hope this clarifies my position?

Cheers.

RB.
 
Hi @DreamRJ

Thanks for your message.

Well for starters I dont stream on twitch. I wouldn't stream on twitch if they paid me.
Streamers (UK based) have been advised NOT to promote any brands via twitch. There is a loophole which is to stream without links and branding. I don't do this and the reason for that is because we have been told their is a risk of U18s accessing our streams on twitch.

So whilst some UK streamers are still on twitch without directly promoting a particular brand, they are doing so knowing full well that U18s may access their channels. I'm not prepared to take that risk.
I may promote casinos and gambling but I do genuinely believe that gambling can be fun if responsible.
Like going to the pub is fine for most who cab have a couple of beers without getting carried away.

The reason my username is royalbonus20 is my website/brand is called royalbonus and it was formed in 2020. This is the username for my YouTube channel AND my twitter/Facebook page.
I could probably just afford regular videos at around £2 spins but I rarely go over £1 spins. Most are on 20p, 40p and 60p stakes.

Hope this clarifies my position?

Cheers.

RB.

It does not matter where you stream, all viewers are pretty much the same, apart from twitch viewers are worse....... I stand by what I said though. Again it shows if you have a website already and you are a new streamer. You also made this post on this forum and this account in the exact same name for promotional reasons only to gain more exposure...... Sorry for being harsh. But just saying it how it is......
 
Roshtein must have tools to twist the outcome of a slot or a result; it's technically possible, and ive seen him do dodgy shit right before a "big win" landed. I think it's technically possible to hook or inject an outcome send to client; the game just produces the given result by the set of numbering. I mean i watch some streamers who legit drop in quite a few ETH's and that simply cant be faked. They try quite a few times betting 50 to 100 euro a spin or even up to 10k bonus buys. The way roshtein puts himself down is a very irresponsible individual making his audience believe that you could just be like him, that is if you signup by using his affiliate links.



Just watch his body language. It's not right. It's like he just clicked together right before it starts off. Rostein does'nt give a shit obviously; all he's in is the money, and in order to keep his streams "interesting" he has to go big bigger or even larger. Roshstein is pretty much everything that's wrong in the affiliate business. I hope it blows up quite soon.

Above moment in video is a bit weird. Some say it's a bug, but i played that game quite a few hours and i never had those buggy "wilds" suddenly appear after a spin like that. What he's doing is fraud. 1000%.
 
It does not matter where you stream, all viewers are pretty much the same, apart from twitch viewers are worse....... I stand by what I said though. Again it shows if you have a website already and you are a new streamer. You also made this post on this forum and this account in the exact same name for promotional reasons only to gain more exposure...... Sorry for being harsh. But just saying it how it is......
To Be Fair, I've posted no Links and such.

That's NOT what I am here.

I joined to have meaningful discussions with like minded people who like to play slots and am happy to complain about casinos/providers when they make mistakes.

I'm NOT here advertising my website in anyway. The only reason I even told you my YouTube username was because you asked.
 
To Be Fair, I've posted no Links and such.

That's NOT what I am here.

I joined to have meaningful discussions with like minded people who like to play slots and am happy to complain about casinos/providers when they make mistakes.

I'm NOT here advertising my website in anyway. The only reason I even told you my YouTube username was because you asked.

Don't pay heed to anything DreamRJ says.

None of us do.
 
Saw this live on Davo's stream last night and looks like someone has already uploaded it to Youtube.

Thought everyone here might like to have a bit of a laugh over it.



Davo calling Rosh while they both live on streams.
 
Apologies if it's already been covered. I don't spend much time watching streams or youtube highlights of streams but from what I have seen, it's quite misleading when all the videos say HUGE WINS or MASSIVE WINS. If you look a bit closer many of these wins are paying out 300x, 400x, 500x and its the size of stake that makes people thing it's a huge win.
Each night there will be plenty of members of here who are hitting 500x wins.
The video above where roshstein wins £26k. It's only 500x but seems like he's getting these huge crushing wins at a higher percentage than the rest of us when the reality is that he'll get lots of these sized wins with the volume he plays.
 
U.K. streamer STREAMED on twitch last night
At a casino that I thought didn’t accept U.K. players but obviously does if you have enough crypto in your wallet
Thoughts?
 
I would argue all affiliates are irresponsible. A business that profits on players losses is not something to feel proud of. I envisage a world where we can play directly from the providers themselves, no more affiliates, no more streamers.
 
Irresponsible tho isn’t it? All U.K. followers
What about the U.K. casinos that are regulated and their affiliate is promoting unregulated? Surely that’s just as bad as an affiliate promoting non gamstop casinos
yes of course, and if he is advertising his site it's against the rules. Pop his name on here or PM me and I'll do something about it if he's breaking the rules :)
 
I would argue all affiliates are irresponsible. A business that profits on players losses is not something to feel proud of. I envisage a world where we can play directly from the providers themselves, no more affiliates, no more streamers.
There's a reason for affiliates. It's a very efficient and targeted method of advertising alongside, or instead of, hugely costly blanket advertising in the media. As affiliates, we are required to stay in line with ASA,LCCP/UKGC rules and the decent ones do.
If you object to say me getting a fixed fee for a player recruited, I take it you also object to the huge fees some casinos pay to Google for keywords for doing precisely nothing, not creating a website nor giving players or viewers reviews and often vital information which many affiliates endeavour to do?
I take it you are also aware that the casino's cost per player is far LESS when affiliates recruit them than it is on average for those signed up via TV or Radio or Newspaper ads?
That's why affiliates exist and all major online gambling businesses have money within their advertising budgets to pay them. At the end of the day, EVERY penny spent advertising comes from customer losses whichever the advertising medium - affiliates, TV, Radio or sponsoring some crappy soccer team.
The statement you make here comes up quite a lot to be fair. And I know why. In the case of say CM, or me, or a streamer you can put an individual's face to somebody who is earning from your and other player's losses. They become a target, a focus of resentment for some. I understand that. I really do. Because we aren't anonymous and faceless corporations like Talk Sport, ITV, Google or media companies that own newspapers and/or TV and radio outlets. And pro-rata we probably pay more tax than they do.
 
Roshtein must have tools to twist the outcome of a slot or a result; it's technically possible, and ive seen him do dodgy shit right before a "big win" landed. I think it's technically possible to hook or inject an outcome send to client; the game just produces the given result by the set of numbering. I mean i watch some streamers who legit drop in quite a few ETH's and that simply cant be faked. They try quite a few times betting 50 to 100 euro a spin or even up to 10k bonus buys. The way roshtein puts himself down is a very irresponsible individual making his audience believe that you could just be like him, that is if you signup by using his affiliate links.



Just watch his body language. It's not right. It's like he just clicked together right before it starts off. Rostein does'nt give a shit obviously; all he's in is the money, and in order to keep his streams "interesting" he has to go big bigger or even larger. Roshstein is pretty much everything that's wrong in the affiliate business. I hope it blows up quite soon.

Above moment in video is a bit weird. Some say it's a bug, but i played that game quite a few hours and i never had those buggy "wilds" suddenly appear after a spin like that. What he's doing is fraud. 1000%.


I've had this on demo play .. still got the video somewhere...
Never saw this on real play though
 
There's a reason for affiliates. It's a very efficient and targeted method of advertising alongside, or instead of, hugely costly blanket advertising in the media. As affiliates, we are required to stay in line with ASA,LCCP/UKGC rules and the decent ones do.
If you object to say me getting a fixed fee for a player recruited, I take it you also object to the huge fees some casinos pay to Google for keywords for doing precisely nothing, not creating a website nor giving players or viewers reviews and often vital information which many affiliates endeavour to do?
I take it you are also aware that the casino's cost per player is far LESS when affiliates recruit them than it is on average for those signed up via TV or Radio or Newspaper ads?
That's why affiliates exist and all major online gambling businesses have money within their advertising budgets to pay them. At the end of the day, EVERY penny spent advertising comes from customer losses whichever the advertising medium - affiliates, TV, Radio or sponsoring some crappy soccer team.
The statement you make here comes up quite a lot to be fair. And I know why. In the case of say CM, or me, or a streamer you can put an individual's face to somebody who is earning from your and other player's losses. They become a target, a focus of resentment for some. I understand that. I really do. Because we aren't anonymous and faceless corporations like Talk Sport, ITV, Google or media companies that own newspapers and/or TV and radio outlets. And pro-rata we probably pay more tax than they do.
'Soccer?' WTF is that? You've now lost all credibility with me!!!:laugh:
 
I believe he's just today hit a million on that No Limit book of shadows game...

Where does this all end? Already up to 1 million+ balances and in the bid to outdo each other we're seeing streamers spin higher and higher. What next, 10 million euro balances??
 
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€1.4 million balance €400 spins how far do you think they can go?
general question has a curacao casino got the funds for this kind of bets high stakes?
 
Just watched a bit of his chat.

Spins on 400...... wins 12,000..... chat goes mad...... chair is printing money

It is 30x ffs

Irresponsible on the part of whatever shit casino he is streaming from.
 
€1.4 million balance €400 spins how far do you think they can go?
general question has a curacao casino got the funds for this kind of bets high stakes?
I don't think it can go on the way it is for too much longer. That is of course unless the providers start further increasing the max bets for streamers.

Think about it, the further up you push the bets, the more of a rod for your own back you're making. Viewers will soon start getting bored if the bet sizes plateau out. 'Oh just another 1 million euro win then, is that it?' It's not in any way a sustainable business model...but I'm guessing it's not intended to be. They'll make hay then disappear into the sunset when it all collapses.
 

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