Irresponsible streamers & affiliates?

[joeycoco]

Yes it was CasinoRobot. But LetsGiveItASpin was also rumoured to have used similar as well. I mean it is my opinion. I am always open to be proven right or wrong. If what or how I said things was wrong then please feel free to correct me

Isn’t there a video on youtube of LetaGiveItASpin being caught out..it’s very old but shows dodgy stuff was going on.

 

[DreamRJ]

Isn’t there a video on youtube of LetaGiveItASpin being caught out..it’s very old but shows dodgy stuff was going on.

There might be, it rings a bell. Not sure if that video is also trustworthy though!

 

[Davey86]

From relax gaming to pragmatic from a coffee ground streamer to our very own ROSH if theirs money to be made everyone will want a bit of the pie fake or genuine!!!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

From relax gaming to pragmatic from a coffee ground streamer to our very own ROSH if theirs money to be made everyone will want a bit of the pie fake or genuine!!!

Without wanting to sound too philosophical, I always think why? We all end up in the same place regardless. Is it really worth trampling over other people just to be able to boast a big bank account or buy the latest material things? I personally have never thought it is.

Each to their own

 

[joeycoco]

Without wanting to sound too philosophical, I always think why? We all end up in the same place regardless. Is it really worth trampling over other people just to be able to boast a big bank account or buy the latest material things? I personally have never thought it is.

Each to their own

Well Nickslots loves a flex

 

[Kroffe]

I've met 3 of these guys, they are all straight.

Watched the video, didnt strike me as any straighter than any other company pushing their brand.
Mostly talking about how much integrity and how great Leovegas is.
I mean, Relax, leo & coffeegrounds have a pretty tight relationship, right?

"responsible, fun, relateable"
So no un-relatable stakes from coffeeground streamers then?

 

[Gaz237]

Without wanting to sound too philosophical, I always think why? We all end up in the same place regardless. Is it really worth trampling over other people just to be able to boast a big bank account or buy the latest material things? I personally have never thought it is.

Each to their own

I look at it completely differently.

In my life i want to make as much money as possible.

1. So i can lead a comfortable lifestyle.

2. More importantly, i,m able to provide a decent start in life for my children, which in turn will help their children.

If you can help get your children through decent schools and Uni, they have a better chance of success in life.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I look at it completely differently.

In my life i want to make as much money as possible.

1. So i can lead a comfortable lifestyle.

2. More importantly, i,m able to provide a decent start in life for my children, which in turn will help their children.

If you can help get your children through decent schools and Uni, they have a better chance of success in life.

Fair enough. I’ve just never been motivated by money. Too much emphasis has been placed on it which has led to us becoming increasingly selfish and fractured as a society. I personally get more joy helping others with my money.

There’s money in my family owing to a big agricultural sale in the 90s (7 figures) but I personally couldn’t care less whether I get left any of it or not!

One thing I definitely wouldn’t do is potentially push an addiction on to someone in order to line my own pockets

 

[mack341]

Not fully up to speed on the streaming sector of bad actors and click baiters, and associated hangers-on /arse crawlers, feel I'd need to wear a hazmat suit and be seriously detoxed afterwards if I were to try to get some insight into their current activities!

 

[Kroffe]

Speaking of leo & integrity, i noticed the rtp% of slots magically disappeared from the space under the slot when they swapped to lower versions.
Used to be shown in that space for all PnG slots.
Guess its not as fun showing it when its a crap one.

 

[DreamRJ]

Speaking of leo & integrity, i noticed the rtp% of slots magically disappeared from the space under the slot when they swapped to lower versions.
Used to be shown in that space for all PnG slots.
Guess its not as fun showing it when its a crap one.


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Hence why Leovegas is not trustworthy and have any integrity at all. Again Ethical comes to mind. Seeming that is a word they used in that meeting video above lol. Ethics my backside..........

 

[Kroffe]

Hence why Leovegas is not trustworthy and have any integratory at all. Again Ethical comes to mind. Seeming that is a word they used in that meeting video above lol. Ethics my backside..........

Yeah, they can speak about integrity until the cows come home, but when they are actively making changes on their website to obscure the fact that they swapped to a lower rtp...Well, when it comes to casinos, actions speak louder than words i guess. =)

 

[DreamRJ]

Yeah, they can speak about integrity until the cows come home, but when they are actively making changes on their website to obscure the fact that they swapped to a lower rtp...Well, when it comes to casinos, actions speak louder than words i guess. =)

Yep - Also thanks I totally had a brain fart when I typed the wrong "integrity" lol I corrected it

 

[Gaz237]

Fair enough. I’ve just never been motivated by money. Too much emphasis has been placed on it which has led to us becoming increasingly selfish and fractured as a society. I personally get more joy helping others with my money.

There’s money in my family owing to a big agricultural sale in the 90s (7 figures) but I personally couldn’t care less whether I get left any of it or not!

One thing I definitely wouldn’t do is potentially push an addiction on to someone in order to line my own pockets

Money is not my motivation. Family is.

There's only so much pie to go around and i want my family to eat well, that doesn't mean i want others to starve.

But it also means, i would not feel bad or guilty living in a nice house and eating steak, while others live in a bedsit with sausages.

The previous generations of your family have obviously worked hard to end up in the position they were to sell up.

The proceeds then trickle down the family providing a better quality of life.

You might not care about any money, but if you have children they may benefit and i,m sure if you did inherit anything you would want to use some of that to give your children a kick start when they go out into the big wide world.

As for the streamers, i,m on the fence.

Yes morally they are wrong.

But they are making a good living, which takes me back to providing for their families future.

It's a dog eat dog world.

 

[geordiecolin]

I am on the side of the player and the possible damage done to society by the actions of streamers,providers and casinos. However from a member who recalls much more participation in this forum by casinos,their reps and providers I think that going in for the kill with them at every opportunity will not be for the benefit of us members or for the Casinomeister brand in the long run

 

[paul7388]

I am on the side of the player and the possible damage done to society by the actions of streamers,providers and casinos. However from a member who recalls much more participation in this forum by casinos,their reps and providers I think that going in for the kill with them at every opportunity will not be for the benefit of us members or for the Casinomeister brand in the long run

Agree with the participation bit.

Said it many times over last few years about way Rep's were treated when they posted or in Competition threads etc.

Ended up giving up. The way many were treated it was no wonder most gave up.

Put it this way if i was a Rep i would have to think twice before running a comp. I would want to give something to community but would wonder if it was worth the hassle knowing the way many of the threads went.

 

[geordiecolin]

Agree with the participation bit.

Said it many times over last few years about way Rep's were treated when they posted or in Competition threads etc.

Ended up giving up. The way many were treated it was no wonder most gave up.

Put it this way if i was a Rep i would have to think twice before running a comp. I would want to give something to community but would wonder if it was worth the hassle knowing the way many of the threads went.

It will kill the site other than it being an irrelevance to the casino market and casinomeister simply being an echo chamber

 

[geordiecolin]

It will kill the site other than it being an irrelevance to the casino market and casinomeister simply being an echo chamber

I recall giving a respected rep a load of disrespect when I first joined and I regretted it quite quickly after. It is so easy to disregard that those who are representing a brand with the best intentions can also shut up shop just as easily.
They have so many other outlets available. I am not making comment on this specific thread but we are all members of this thread for our own reasons. I think it is just not good to shoot ourselves in the foot

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I recall giving a respected rep a load of disrespect when I first joined and I regretted it quite quickly after. It is so easy to disregard that those who are representing a brand with the best intentions can also shut up shop just as easily.
They have so many other outlets available. I am not making comment on this specific thread but we are all members of this thread for our own reasons. I think it is just not good to shoot ourselves in the foot

Completely agree...with the caveat that it works both ways.

People on here are spending their hard earned cash like on any other product. The very least that should be expected is truth and transparency, with any queries being addressed in a timely manner. I’d say most of the reps do a fine job of this.

 

[geordiecolin]

Completely agree...with the caveat that it works both ways.

People on here are spending their hard earned cash like on any other product. The very least that should be expected is truth and transparency, with any queries being addressed in a timely manner. I’d say most of the reps do a fine job of this.

Thanks for the agreeing bit.I also agree with your disagreeing bit.
So how can we encourage casinos,reps and their providers back to showing the site love without having Ben providing his covid dining pics while he dons suspenders,garters,lippy and his other touch ups?
We all know he is a tart with a heart but he loses all that after a few drinks!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Thanks for the agreeing bit.I also agree with your disagreeing bit.
So how can we encourage casinos,reps and their providers back to showing the site love without having Ben providing his covid dining pics while he dons suspenders,garters,lippy and his other touch ups?
We all know he is a tart with a heart but he loses all that after a few drinks!

Without wanting to go off topic too much, I concur, Ben is a good man. Hope he is let back on at some point in the future.

 

[geordiecolin]

Without wanting to go off topic too much, I concur, Ben is a good man. Hope he is let back on at some point in the future.

FFS I am probably going to have to go to bed now with the image of Ben looking like Lilly Savage swallowing a huge keilbasa
I knew I should not have got involved in this bloody thread

 

[royalbonus20]

Hi All!

I'm new here, please be gentle.

As a "new(ish) UK streamer and affiliate, I just wanted to give my opinion.

People like the now infamous Rosh are not going to be going away anytime soon.
There are many reasons why that's going to be the case but lets not forget, there are literally hundreds of casinos competing with each other. Do you really believe 1 casino wont allow a dodgy streamer to promote so that 1 of their competitors gains that advantage instead?

It's an extremely competitive market, and in my view, so much has been done on the back end these days that even when a streamer shows deposits and withdrawals, this can also be manipulated from what I have been told.

In other words, fighting this is fighting a losing battle from my understanding.
I have had to accept this and that I'll never be able to grow my own channel to the size of others as a result.

Instead, what I prefer to do, is focus more on the responsible side. Realistic stakes, licensed casinos and such. I am literally fed up of seeing these ridiculous size stakes that the vast majority of people can afford.

I recently recorded a lil devil grind on 40p stake and couldn't help but rant in the video about how much it cost to get a heart stopper feature and how BTG believe it's at all justifiable to have a game which even on low stakes appear to be beyond affordable to the casual player. This has become quite a theme with BTG and progressive building slots.

The biggest issue for me in the UK right now though? Unlicensed casinos and those who promote them. I got a text about a 300% deposit bonus with a casino called slotnbets. The website is NOT licensed by the UKGC but is advertised to UK players and even states they accept players registered on GamStop.

This to me is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE in any which way, shape or from.

So my point is to focus on things that effect every day people from being conned out of their money, rather than things you simple wont be able to change.

I look forward to many an open conversation with you all.

Thanks
RoyalBonus

 

[colinsunderland]

I recall giving a respected rep a load of disrespect when I first joined and I regretted it quite quickly after. It is so easy to disregard that those who are representing a brand with the best intentions can also shut up shop just as easily.
They have so many other outlets available. I am not making comment on this specific thread but we are all members of this thread for our own reasons. I think it is just not good to shoot ourselves in the foot

I'll be honest, I don't think I've seen many active reps get stick unless it's been justified. A notable one who left was obviously Casumo who were very active, but they totally deserve everything they got. Videoslots don't participate much now either, and that started dying off when they got caught lowering the RTP's, and got stick for it. Others have left under similar clouds.
You are always going to have the odd player who feels hard done to, but I think in most those cases, if a rant is unjustified, the members do back the reps up, but if it is justified, then they won't.

Everyone loses gambling on slots. Everyone knows that. When there is something happens that unfairly hits customers in their pockets, then things can get volatile. Streamers are a love hate thing. Some streamers more hate. They don't help themselves for doing things like promoting non gamstop sites (Fruity Slots), believing they don't have to follow the rules everyone one else does (Chip), promoting irresponsible gambling (massive stakes, £10k bonus buys etc). When you start getting providers in bed with them, paying streamers to play their games, advertising huge fake wins to entice customers to play, when they have an extremely dodgy history of cheating players, then the thread won't be a massive love in.

Put it this way, if their games are so great, why do they have to pay people to play them?

 

[colinsunderland]

Money is not my motivation. Family is.

There's only so much pie to go around and i want my family to eat well, that doesn't mean i want others to starve.

But it also means, i would not feel bad or guilty living in a nice house and eating steak, while others live in a bedsit with sausages.

The previous generations of your family have obviously worked hard to end up in the position they were to sell up.

The proceeds then trickle down the family providing a better quality of life.

You might not care about any money, but if you have children they may benefit and i,m sure if you did inherit anything you would want to use some of that to give your children a kick start when they go out into the big wide world.

As for the streamers, i,m on the fence.

Yes morally they are wrong.

But they are making a good living, which takes me back to providing for their families future.

It's a dog eat dog world.

I don't disagree with much of that, but a lot of what streamers do is wrong, playing with fake money etc, showing massive wins. Showing a massive win gets people to play a slot they might not have.
There are limits to what I would do to make money, I like money, but I also like not wondering if I've caused someone to become a gambling addict by show completely unattainable wins to get them hooked. Same sort of reasons as if I found a wallet in the street with £1000 in, it would be handed in, or when a cashier gives me too much change, I've always handed it back, as I know it would likely come out of her wages.

 

[Gaz237]

I don't disagree with much of that, but a lot of what streamers do is wrong, playing with fake money etc, showing massive wins. Showing a massive win gets people to play a slot they might not have.
There are limits to what I would do to make money, I like money, but I also like not wondering if I've caused someone to become a gambling addict by show completely unattainable wins to get them hooked. Same sort of reasons as if I found a wallet in the street with £1000 in, it would be handed in, or when a cashier gives me too much change, I've always handed it back, as I know it would likely come out of her wages.

In regards to the streamers, when i said i,m on the fence, i was talking about genuine streamers who play at licenced casinos.

I only watch, the Bandit and Rolla and enjoy their content, mainly because i believe they are playing with their own cash Plus they upload videos win or lose, keeping it real.

I have no issue that their play is funded by affiliation, it's not something i would do, but fair play to them. If they get 30% of my deposits, it makes no odds to me as it has not cost me any extra money.

As for the likes of Rosh and Chip etc, i think it's disgraceful the way they portray Gambling in such an unrealistic way, every video with massive wins and mega bets and i do pity the people that do not realise that they are playing with fake money.

In an ideal world casino's should not be allowed to fund streamers full stop and should be fined.

 

[geordiecolin]

I'll be honest, I don't think I've seen many active reps get stick unless it's been justified. A notable one who left was obviously Casumo who were very active, but they totally deserve everything they got. Videoslots don't participate much now either, and that started dying off when they got caught lowering the RTP's, and got stick for it. Others have left under similar clouds.
You are always going to have the odd player who feels hard done to, but I think in most those cases, if a rant is unjustified, the members do back the reps up, but if it is justified, then they won't.

Everyone loses gambling on slots. Everyone knows that. When there is something happens that unfairly hits customers in their pockets, then things can get volatile. Streamers are a love hate thing. Some streamers more hate. They don't help themselves for doing things like promoting non gamstop sites (Fruity Slots), believing they don't have to follow the rules everyone one else does (Chip), promoting irresponsible gambling (massive stakes, £10k bonus buys etc). When you start getting providers in bed with them, paying streamers to play their games, advertising huge fake wins to entice customers to play, when they have an extremely dodgy history of cheating players, then the thread won't be a massive love in.

Put it this way, if their games are so great, why do they have to pay people to play them?

I can not defend the casinos,reps and providers Col. I was at the forefront in the attacks on Videoslots when they quietly reduced the rtp and it was me that noticed that they had stopped posting new games alongside the games rtp in order to hide that fact for as long as possible. I have a lot of respect for VS for riding that out and sticking with us. Many other casinos have turned their backs on CM after receiving such criticism. Others that may have considered joining in may be put of from doing so because they would rather not put themselves under such a spotlight.
It also has a big impact of the amount of competitions that are provided for us.
All I am saying is that what I am saying is worth baring in mind before going in for the kill because it may harm CM more than it does the casino,reps or providers.
I don't give a flying feck about streamers other than condemn their effect on problem gamblers

 

[DreamRJ]

@royalbonus20 - First question why pick a username like that? Secondly I will say this, how long will it be until you start to be like all the other streamers? I suspect it will not take you long at all. They all start out with the exact same words then they quickly change.

Twitch viewers force streamers to raise stakes and do bonus buys etc etc and that will not change. Yes you can be strong. But all they will do if you ignore what your viewers want will just drive them far far away from your streams.

Gone are the days when viewers did not care that much about stakes........ The gambling streaming market has changed a lot the last few years. Viewers are now only hungry for high stakes and bonus hunts and bonus buy streams........

Good luck but I am sorry to say this but you will join all the others in no time believe me. I am an EX streamer too and I was one of the early streamers too about 5 or 6 years ago. Those days are long long gone.....

 

[royalbonus20]

@royalbonus20 - First question why pick a username like that? Secondly I will say this, how long will it be until you start to be like all the other streamers? I suspect it will not take you long at all. They all start out with the exact same words then they quickly change.

Twitch viewers force streamers to raise stakes and do bonus buys etc etc and that will not change. Yes you can be strong. But all they will do if you ignore what your viewers want will just drive them far far away from your streams.

Gone are the days when viewers did not care that much about stakes........ The gambling streaming market has changed a lot the last few years. Viewers are now only hungry for high stakes and bonus hunts and bonus buy streams........

Good luck but I am sorry to say this but you will join all the others in no time believe me. I am an EX streamer too and I was one of the early streamers too about 5 or 6 years ago. Those days are long long gone.....

Hi @DreamRJ

Thanks for your message.

Well for starters I dont stream on twitch. I wouldn't stream on twitch if they paid me.
Streamers (UK based) have been advised NOT to promote any brands via twitch. There is a loophole which is to stream without links and branding. I don't do this and the reason for that is because we have been told their is a risk of U18s accessing our streams on twitch.

So whilst some UK streamers are still on twitch without directly promoting a particular brand, they are doing so knowing full well that U18s may access their channels. I'm not prepared to take that risk.
I may promote casinos and gambling but I do genuinely believe that gambling can be fun if responsible.
Like going to the pub is fine for most who cab have a couple of beers without getting carried away.

The reason my username is royalbonus20 is my website/brand is called royalbonus and it was formed in 2020. This is the username for my YouTube channel AND my twitter/Facebook page.
I could probably just afford regular videos at around £2 spins but I rarely go over £1 spins. Most are on 20p, 40p and 60p stakes.

Hope this clarifies my position?

Cheers.

RB.

 

[DreamRJ]

Hi @DreamRJ

Thanks for your message.

Well for starters I dont stream on twitch. I wouldn't stream on twitch if they paid me.
Streamers (UK based) have been advised NOT to promote any brands via twitch. There is a loophole which is to stream without links and branding. I don't do this and the reason for that is because we have been told their is a risk of U18s accessing our streams on twitch.

So whilst some UK streamers are still on twitch without directly promoting a particular brand, they are doing so knowing full well that U18s may access their channels. I'm not prepared to take that risk.
I may promote casinos and gambling but I do genuinely believe that gambling can be fun if responsible.
Like going to the pub is fine for most who cab have a couple of beers without getting carried away.

The reason my username is royalbonus20 is my website/brand is called royalbonus and it was formed in 2020. This is the username for my YouTube channel AND my twitter/Facebook page.
I could probably just afford regular videos at around £2 spins but I rarely go over £1 spins. Most are on 20p, 40p and 60p stakes.

Hope this clarifies my position?

Cheers.

RB.

It does not matter where you stream, all viewers are pretty much the same, apart from twitch viewers are worse....... I stand by what I said though. Again it shows if you have a website already and you are a new streamer. You also made this post on this forum and this account in the exact same name for promotional reasons only to gain more exposure...... Sorry for being harsh. But just saying it how it is......

 

[Slotplayer83]

Roshtein must have tools to twist the outcome of a slot or a result; it's technically possible, and ive seen him do dodgy shit right before a "big win" landed. I think it's technically possible to hook or inject an outcome send to client; the game just produces the given result by the set of numbering. I mean i watch some streamers who legit drop in quite a few ETH's and that simply cant be faked. They try quite a few times betting 50 to 100 euro a spin or even up to 10k bonus buys. The way roshtein puts himself down is a very irresponsible individual making his audience believe that you could just be like him, that is if you signup by using his affiliate links.



Just watch his body language. It's not right. It's like he just clicked together right before it starts off. Rostein does'nt give a shit obviously; all he's in is the money, and in order to keep his streams "interesting" he has to go big bigger or even larger. Roshstein is pretty much everything that's wrong in the affiliate business. I hope it blows up quite soon.

Above moment in video is a bit weird. Some say it's a bug, but i played that game quite a few hours and i never had those buggy "wilds" suddenly appear after a spin like that. What he's doing is fraud. 1000%.

 

[royalbonus20]

It does not matter where you stream, all viewers are pretty much the same, apart from twitch viewers are worse....... I stand by what I said though. Again it shows if you have a website already and you are a new streamer. You also made this post on this forum and this account in the exact same name for promotional reasons only to gain more exposure...... Sorry for being harsh. But just saying it how it is......

To Be Fair, I've posted no Links and such.

That's NOT what I am here.

I joined to have meaningful discussions with like minded people who like to play slots and am happy to complain about casinos/providers when they make mistakes.

I'm NOT here advertising my website in anyway. The only reason I even told you my YouTube username was because you asked.

 

[Gaz237]

To Be Fair, I've posted no Links and such.

That's NOT what I am here.

I joined to have meaningful discussions with like minded people who like to play slots and am happy to complain about casinos/providers when they make mistakes.

I'm NOT here advertising my website in anyway. The only reason I even told you my YouTube username was because you asked.

Don't pay heed to anything DreamRJ says.

None of us do.

 

[LoopsterAU]

Saw this live on Davo's stream last night and looks like someone has already uploaded it to Youtube.

Thought everyone here might like to have a bit of a laugh over it.



Davo calling Rosh while they both live on streams.

 

[Kroffe]

Video is about 4min50sec too long, otherwise i would have watched it.

 

[dunover]

Handbags at 5 paces. What a waste of bandwidth.

 

[courtesy]

Apologies if it's already been covered. I don't spend much time watching streams or youtube highlights of streams but from what I have seen, it's quite misleading when all the videos say HUGE WINS or MASSIVE WINS. If you look a bit closer many of these wins are paying out 300x, 400x, 500x and its the size of stake that makes people thing it's a huge win.
Each night there will be plenty of members of here who are hitting 500x wins.
The video above where roshstein wins £26k. It's only 500x but seems like he's getting these huge crushing wins at a higher percentage than the rest of us when the reality is that he'll get lots of these sized wins with the volume he plays.

 

[Davey86]

U.K. streamer STREAMED on twitch last night
At a casino that I thought didn’t accept U.K. players but obviously does if you have enough crypto in your wallet
Thoughts?

 

[philiphewson]

I would argue all affiliates are irresponsible. A business that profits on players losses is not something to feel proud of. I envisage a world where we can play directly from the providers themselves, no more affiliates, no more streamers.

 

[colinsunderland]

U.K. streamer STREAMED on twitch last night
At a casino that I thought didn’t accept U.K. players but obviously does if you have enough crypto in your wallet
Thoughts?

Nothing the UKGC can do if it's at non regulated casinos.

 

[Davey86]

Nothing the UKGC can do if it's at non regulated casinos.

Irresponsible tho isn’t it? All U.K. followers
What about the U.K. casinos that are regulated and their affiliate is promoting unregulated? Surely that’s just as bad as an affiliate promoting non gamstop casinos

 

[colinsunderland]

Irresponsible tho isn’t it? All U.K. followers
What about the U.K. casinos that are regulated and their affiliate is promoting unregulated? Surely that’s just as bad as an affiliate promoting non gamstop casinos

yes of course, and if he is advertising his site it's against the rules. Pop his name on here or PM me and I'll do something about it if he's breaking the rules

 

[dunover]

I would argue all affiliates are irresponsible. A business that profits on players losses is not something to feel proud of. I envisage a world where we can play directly from the providers themselves, no more affiliates, no more streamers.

There's a reason for affiliates. It's a very efficient and targeted method of advertising alongside, or instead of, hugely costly blanket advertising in the media. As affiliates, we are required to stay in line with ASA,LCCP/UKGC rules and the decent ones do.
If you object to say me getting a fixed fee for a player recruited, I take it you also object to the huge fees some casinos pay to Google for keywords for doing precisely nothing, not creating a website nor giving players or viewers reviews and often vital information which many affiliates endeavour to do?
I take it you are also aware that the casino's cost per player is far LESS when affiliates recruit them than it is on average for those signed up via TV or Radio or Newspaper ads?
That's why affiliates exist and all major online gambling businesses have money within their advertising budgets to pay them. At the end of the day, EVERY penny spent advertising comes from customer losses whichever the advertising medium - affiliates, TV, Radio or sponsoring some crappy soccer team.
The statement you make here comes up quite a lot to be fair. And I know why. In the case of say CM, or me, or a streamer you can put an individual's face to somebody who is earning from your and other player's losses. They become a target, a focus of resentment for some. I understand that. I really do. Because we aren't anonymous and faceless corporations like Talk Sport, ITV, Google or media companies that own newspapers and/or TV and radio outlets. And pro-rata we probably pay more tax than they do.

 

[shc]

Roshtein must have tools to twist the outcome of a slot or a result; it's technically possible, and ive seen him do dodgy shit right before a "big win" landed. I think it's technically possible to hook or inject an outcome send to client; the game just produces the given result by the set of numbering. I mean i watch some streamers who legit drop in quite a few ETH's and that simply cant be faked. They try quite a few times betting 50 to 100 euro a spin or even up to 10k bonus buys. The way roshtein puts himself down is a very irresponsible individual making his audience believe that you could just be like him, that is if you signup by using his affiliate links.



Just watch his body language. It's not right. It's like he just clicked together right before it starts off. Rostein does'nt give a shit obviously; all he's in is the money, and in order to keep his streams "interesting" he has to go big bigger or even larger. Roshstein is pretty much everything that's wrong in the affiliate business. I hope it blows up quite soon.

Above moment in video is a bit weird. Some say it's a bug, but i played that game quite a few hours and i never had those buggy "wilds" suddenly appear after a spin like that. What he's doing is fraud. 1000%.

I've had this on demo play .. still got the video somewhere...
Never saw this on real play though

 

[johnnymcc1966]

There's a reason for affiliates. It's a very efficient and targeted method of advertising alongside, or instead of, hugely costly blanket advertising in the media. As affiliates, we are required to stay in line with ASA,LCCP/UKGC rules and the decent ones do.
If you object to say me getting a fixed fee for a player recruited, I take it you also object to the huge fees some casinos pay to Google for keywords for doing precisely nothing, not creating a website nor giving players or viewers reviews and often vital information which many affiliates endeavour to do?
I take it you are also aware that the casino's cost per player is far LESS when affiliates recruit them than it is on average for those signed up via TV or Radio or Newspaper ads?
That's why affiliates exist and all major online gambling businesses have money within their advertising budgets to pay them. At the end of the day, EVERY penny spent advertising comes from customer losses whichever the advertising medium - affiliates, TV, Radio or sponsoring some crappy soccer team.
The statement you make here comes up quite a lot to be fair. And I know why. In the case of say CM, or me, or a streamer you can put an individual's face to somebody who is earning from your and other player's losses. They become a target, a focus of resentment for some. I understand that. I really do. Because we aren't anonymous and faceless corporations like Talk Sport, ITV, Google or media companies that own newspapers and/or TV and radio outlets. And pro-rata we probably pay more tax than they do.

'Soccer?' WTF is that? You've now lost all credibility with me!!!

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I believe he's just today hit a million on that No Limit book of shadows game...

Where does this all end? Already up to 1 million+ balances and in the bid to outdo each other we're seeing streamers spin higher and higher. What next, 10 million euro balances??

 

[Davey86]

ROSH wins one million on Horus casino
Horus casino directors/management conversation ‘you can have 10% only paid over 5 years’

 

[Davey86]

€1.4 million balance €400 spins how far do you think they can go?
general question has a curacao casino got the funds for this kind of bets high stakes?

 

[interlog]

Just watched a bit of his chat.

Spins on 400...... wins 12,000..... chat goes mad...... chair is printing money

It is 30x ffs

Irresponsible on the part of whatever shit casino he is streaming from.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

€1.4 million balance €400 spins how far do you think they can go?
general question has a curacao casino got the funds for this kind of bets high stakes?

I don't think it can go on the way it is for too much longer. That is of course unless the providers start further increasing the max bets for streamers.

Think about it, the further up you push the bets, the more of a rod for your own back you're making. Viewers will soon start getting bored if the bet sizes plateau out. 'Oh just another 1 million euro win then, is that it?' It's not in any way a sustainable business model...but I'm guessing it's not intended to be. They'll make hay then disappear into the sunset when it all collapses.