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Might be an unpopular opinion but that is one guy I can't stand. Throws in the occasional comment about responsible gambling and then loses tens of thousands in a one hour session, but there always seem to be a corresponding win announced somewhere, normally offline. He also seems a bit egotistical and fragile, even down to blocking comments on his you tube channel because people made adverse comments. I know he is popular but I just can't take to him

Following his mad rush at the beginning of the COVID outbreak however he has slowed down and is now barely streaming at all.
Spot on!
 

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Might be an unpopular opinion but that is one guy I can't stand. Throws in the occasional comment about responsible gambling and then loses tens of thousands in a one hour session, but there always seem to be a corresponding win announced somewhere, normally offline. He also seems a bit egotistical and fragile, even down to blocking comments on his you tube channel because people made adverse comments. I know he is popular but I just can't take to him
Your not obligated to watch the bandit really, so if you dont like him, dont watch it. In my opinion he's an entertaining guy, is the only one that actually dares to go high limit, has a family, kids on which he watches out for, and plays / streams once in every 2 weeks. He already clarified on how much he would make on the affiliate comissions and really it's not alot.

Rocknrolla is a cool guy too, but since Providers moving the goal posts is happening you can see that Rocknrolla more plays table games now with (fast and big) losses overall. There's not alot really good streamers tho. I avoid watching "Streamers biggest wins" with their faces all over the screen and their affiliated gameplay. Thats my personal opinion.
 

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Also of particular amusement that people will excuse x/y/z's behaviours when it's their favourite streamer, as the rules don't apply then, and it's the 'others' who are irresponsible shills

"But he's one of the good streamers"

Another random musing
 

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We all know the harsh reality and that streamers can get up to 40 to 60% of your deposit loss. So in technical speaking a 100 deposit lost means 40 to 60 for the streamer. Multiply that by 100 your looking at 4000 to 6000 and take the big streamers that could run into thousands of affiliates and your looking at a jackpot.
Just going to ask, I would love to know which casinos you think pay 60% of losses, or even 40%?
There are very few that pay close to the advertised percentage, and those that do would be bankrupt after a couple of months if they were paying 60%. Videoslots for example, advertise 25% and actually pay around 4%.
Most streamers, I imagine, are on CPA deals, thats why they switch casinos they promote so often.
 

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Should anyone with a family/ kids do high-stakes betting and promote others to do the same?

Just a random musing there
Ffs it's an adult let him do what he wants.

Just going to ask, I would love to know which casinos you think pay 60% of losses, or even 40%?
There are very few that pay close to the advertised percentage, and those that do would be bankrupt after a couple of months if they were paying 60%. Videoslots for example, advertise 25% and actually pay around 4%.
Most streamers, I imagine, are on CPA deals, thats why they switch casinos they promote so often.
Search long enough and you'll find vague casino's that offer up to 40 to 60%. No such thing as going bankrupt. A casino would still take at least 30% of that deposit. We're talking about a loss upon deposit.
 

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Ffs it's an adult let him do what he wants.



Search long enough and you'll find vague casino's that offer up to 40 to 60%. No such thing as going bankrupt. A casino would still take at least 30% of that deposit. We're talking about a loss upon deposit.
Great answer

You just proved my point

Enjoy watching your 'family man' streamer
 

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Ffs it's an adult let him do what he wants.



Search long enough and you'll find vague casino's that offer up to 40 to 60%. No such thing as going bankrupt. A casino would still take at least 30% of that deposit. We're talking about a loss upon deposit.
I can find them advertising that much easily. I was asking which actually pay that much though?
You clearly have no idea about the running costs of a casino though if you think paying 60% of gross revenue is close to being possible.
 

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First hits. There are PLENTY of casino affiliate's out there that offer 60%. The terms is however that the depositted money has to be lost first before 60% can be deducted. They still take 30% of that loss deposit.

It's proberly ran down very well in the numbering, they dont advertise something that would go affilliates or casino's go bankrupt.
 
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First hits. There are PLENTY of casino affiliate's out there that offer 60%. The terms is however that the depositted money has to be lost first before 60% can be deducted. They still take 30% of that loss deposit.

It's proberly ran down very well in the numbering, they dont advertise something that would go affilliates or casino's go bankrupt.
ok, so the first one on that list I can get figures on (from AGD) is playgrand. The 60% is for the first month only, 55% second, then its around 30%, heres playgrands real figures

25% = 19.35 %
30% = 23.22 %
35% = 27.09 %
40% = 30.96 %
45% = 34.83 %

Another is game revenue affiliates who I've never heard of but state

Your commission is based on the casino gross revenue for each player you refer. There is no restriction as to how much you can earn. The more your referred players deposit (except chargeback situation) and play at the casino, the more profit you will earn. There are 3 level commission payments:
  • First (basic) level - 20% from the profit of each Game-Revenue’s project.
  • Second (medium) level - 35% from the profit of each Game-Revenue’s project.
  • Third (high) level - 45%from the profit of each Game-Revenue’s project.
Note the 'from the profit' part, that isn't the same as customer loss.

The others who advertise 60% are, oh wait, there aren't any.

Heres examples of real percentages, rather than what are advertised. I've just picked some well known casinos

Betsson Group

25% = 16.23 %
30% = 19.47 %
35% = 22.72 %
40% = 25.96 %
45% = 29.21 %

Gig affiliates

30% = 21.83%
35% = 25.47%
40% = 29.11%
45% = 32.75%

Videoslots

25% = 3.08%
30% = 3.70%
35% = 4.32%
40% = 4.93%
45% = 5.55%

Genesis

25% = 16.60 %
30% = 19.92 %
35% = 23.24 %
40% = 26.56 %
45% = 29.88 %

N1

25% = 16.25 %
30% = 19.50 %
35% = 22.75 %
40% = 26.00 %
45% = 29.25 %

But bear in mind, those figures are on Net Gaming Revenue, not on customer loss, so as an example, for N1, the deposit was 20, NGR was 13, commission was set at 45% and paid 5.85. 45% of 20 is not 5.85.

I can guarantee no affiliate is getting 60% of customer losses.
 

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Well a few years ago 60% was pretty the norm with good affiliate programs. It's deducted now obviously but on avg your still looking at 25 to 30%. Thats still 25 to 30 quid on top of a 100 quid deposit / loss.
 

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Well a few years ago 60% was pretty the norm with good affiliate programs. It's deducted now obviously but on avg your still looking at 25 to 30%. Thats still 25 to 30 quid on top of a 100 quid deposit / loss.
Big drop to what you stated though, and if you have winning customers you can end up with nothing for the month.
Regardless of that, most streamers will be on CPA.
The customers, on the whole, are low quality, bonus hunters. They would make more getting £150 a player than they would on rev share. Thats why they switch casinos so often. If you got 500 customers to sign up at say Trada, on a 30% rev share deal, why would you, the following month, encourage them to sign up at Casumo, then the following month at LeoVegas? You would want them to keep playing at Trada so you could get your rev share.
 

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I dont know dude. I'm just clarifying the profit on affiliate's. It used to be 60%, now it leverages in between 25 and 32% which is'nt a bad number either, but who cares. This is the reason why affilliate streaming is so hot and so many are streaming right now. One with bigger wins then the other, and it's such a fantastic money making treasure, while on the other hand dumping on loads of players that lose more then they could afford in the first place. GG.
 

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When things are streaming along on live casino on YouTube life is really good those long streamers make life good as In 25$ on 40 hit 7× multiplier, that's one long mother fucking streamer ✌
 

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Should anyone with a family/ kids do high-stakes betting and promote others to do the same?

Just a random musing there
Well why not IF you know you'll get your money back owing to the slots being tilted in your favour. Listen, you don't bet those sort of stakes (no matter how wealthy you are) unless you know you're getting a fair slice back one way or another.

I know of people who have gone completely broke staying at £1 spins or under. I know of people who have gone on 6 months-1 year losing streaks, getting nowhere near what they've put in back.

Slots simply and utterly don't play for us how they do for some of the streamers and it's that simple. It's all advertising smoke and mirrors...like seeing an advert for this-

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and getting this...

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Your not obligated to watch the bandit really, so if you dont like him, dont watch it. In my opinion he's an entertaining guy, is the only one that actually dares to go high limit, has a family, kids on which he watches out for, and plays / streams once in every 2 weeks. He already clarified on how much he would make on the affiliate comissions and really it's not alot.

Rocknrolla is a cool guy too, but since Providers moving the goal posts is happening you can see that Rocknrolla more plays table games now with (fast and big) losses overall. There's not alot really good streamers tho. I avoid watching "Streamers biggest wins" with their faces all over the screen and their affiliated gameplay. Thats my personal opinion.
To be honest I don't watch him as I find him intensely boring with his tired old catchphrases, I just flick through to see what outlandish figures he has won or lost that day. I do have some cynicism with the "doesn't make much from affiliation though". I started watching him many years ago when he starting playing at 40p stakes as he stated that was all he could afford. He has now moved on to £40 spins and being able to shrug of £70,000 losses with a shrug. Something doesn't ring true for me.

But again it's all down to personal opinion and personal preference - I just don't think anyone should be promoting gambling at the levels he plays, and if you are broadcasting as an affiliate, you are promoting gambling, it's how you make your money (note that I have no issues with that).
 

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"At the levels he plays" ... Dude it's not what you think. It's his money, his stream, his video's. If you dont like it dont watch. Stick with streamers with 300% deposit bonus that make big wins every 5 minutes then.
 

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Eh, I stopped watching streamers months ago or anything on Twitch. Tired of the phony personalities, the same games being played (does Pragmatic and Play N Go pay these guys) and the ass kissing. Just don’t care any more.

Good for them that they found jobs as “professional slot machine players” but it isn’t as fun as it looks.
 

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Need to name and shame another streamer which is 100% fake, noticed him for over a week. The Live camera is on some kind of loop, he wears exactly the same every day and the monitor with that timer on behind him is also wrong. Streams are also very long, currently shows online time of 17 hours........ So this is 100% fake streamer.......

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I reported him soo many times and still he is still online? Why has twitch not banned him yet?
 

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Well i know there are people who create a channel with solely the purpose of gathering likes, followers just to spam affiliate links. I know also that they use prerecorded streams (like attached all in one big go) and repeat that over and over again on such channels.

Your report is'nt taken serious because it would take an X amount of reports for the staff of twitch or YT to actually do something. More then account closure is about it. Spammers do the same thing again, come back, blabla. It's a never ending cycle with these big brands like YT, FB, IG, Twitch etc. Their moderation / report feature is just garbage.
 

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