Irresponsible streamers & affiliates?

[Kroffe]

It’s good to see Paul comment, top man props.
If people streaming where willing to be open and speak like he does then it would make a difference.
Would also be superb to see what his comments are about the other lot, unless it’s the usual ‘ we don’t talk about other streamers ‘
Which I doubt as this guy was always decent, as you all know on here my feelings about streaming and certain streamers I’ve never bad mouthed Paul.
Not here to make some inflammatory thread or use this as a agenda to slate others.
But you got a decent guy whom streams, it would be a pleasure if he would actually be active and maybe address some concerns.

If im not mistaken, Rolla has actually "outed" one or two other streamers that he thought for sure was using fake money.
You will have to look for yourself since its been a while since i saw the videos and may remember things wrong.

I think this video was part of it tho.

 

[Kroffe]

I don't watch many twitch streams anymore but used to sit and watch Paul (Rocknrolla) stream occasionally. Of all the streamers he seems like a decent guy and has never really plugged any affiliate links. He likes gambling and fair fucks to him

I also like gambling and fair fucks.
But not to him, to me.

 

[LoopsterAU]

First of all, it is possible to win the same way as these streamers. When going reckless for short duration's I have won huge amounts of money too however I have also gone on insane losing sprees leaving me in a hole for a while so doing it to their extreme is in no way sustainable over the long term.

In saying that since I work in IT I will give a technical explanation of how easily a streamer and a corrupt casino would be able to work together to make it appear completely legitimate on stream whilst being completely fake.

On every single Windows machine exists a file c:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

Lets say a website is www whatevercasino com (have taken . out because I am not spamming anything but using it as an example).

Now lets say 202.30.117.156 is the normal IP address that www whatever casino resolves to.

Lets say 202.30.117.160 is a fake server with exactly the same design but made specifically for streamers.

I can add the following entry to the hosts file.

202.30.117.160 www whatevercasino com

Once again I left . out but you get my example.

Once this is in place if I visit www whatevercasino com in a web browser it would appear as I am going to the real website but in reality I would be hitting the fake streamer server.

 

[Kroffe]

First of all, it is possible to win the same way as these streamers. When going reckless for short duration's I have won huge amounts of money too however I have also gone on insane losing sprees leaving me in a hole for a while so doing it to their extreme is in no way sustainable over the long term.

In saying that since I work in IT I will give a technical explanation of how easily a streamer and a corrupt casino would be able to work together to make it appear completely legitimate on stream whilst being completely fake.

On every single Windows machine exists a file c:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

Lets say a website is www whatevercasino com (have taken . out because I am not spamming anything but using it as an example).

Now lets say 202.30.117.156 is the normal IP address that www whatever casino resolves to.

Lets say 202.30.117.160 is a fake server with exactly the same design but made specifically for streamers.

I can add the following entry to the hosts file.

202.30.117.160 www whatevercasino com

Once again I left . out but you get my example.

Once this is in place if I visit www whatevercasino com in a web browser it would appear as I am going to the real website but in reality I would be hitting the fake streamer server.

What would be the point tho?
Much easier just to use funded accounts, or endless deposit-bonuses to make the streaming sustainable.
Ive seen some of the bonuses some of the streamers get, and they sometimes go as high as 500%
Usually with a max cash-out tacked on, wich would explain why the reactions for those megawins looks so fake. I mean, whats the point in winning 1000x on a €20 spin if your max cashout is 5 x your deposit or something like that.
They need acting classes.

 

[Kroffe]

The bandit who usually posts one video per week, if even that, has gone on a corona-marathon with his videos it seems.
Think its 4 or 5 days in a row now.
Weird, innit?


Anyway, i wish him the best of luck for the next award ceremony.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

What would be the point tho?
Much easier just to use funded accounts, or endless deposit-bonuses to make the streaming sustainable.
Ive seen some of the bonuses some of the streamers get, and they sometimes go as high as 500%
Usually with a max cash-out tacked on, wich would explain why the reactions for those megawins looks so fake. I mean, whats the point in winning 1000x on a €20 spin if your max cashout is 5 x your deposit or something like that.
They need acting classes.

The point to running 'demo' versions of slots with more generous maths models is obvious-

More wins, bigger hits and thus more people tempted to sign up. Not much fun for the viewer nor incentive to sign up if you hit a 1 month cold streak (like us mere mortals often do).

'But they do lose' I hear people say. Well yes, even with a 101% RTP, the variance of the slots that are played would ensure there would still be losing streaks, but overall the impression to the viewer would be one of winning (which is what any casino would want in order to sell their 'product')

 

[Kroffe]

The point to running 'demo' versions of slots with more generous maths models is obvious-

More wins, bigger hits and thus more people tempted to sign up. Not much fun for the viewer nor incentive to sign up if you hit a 1 month cold streak (like us mere mortals often do).

True.
But would they be able to keep that kind of stuff hidden?
Theres zero risk involved with funded accounts & generous deposit bonuses.
Running versions of the slots that play better would involve alot of people, and im guessing it wouldnt be legal.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

True.
But would they be able to keep that kind of stuff hidden?
Theres zero risk involved with funded accounts & generous deposit bonuses.
Running versions of the slots that play better would involve alot of people, and im guessing it wouldnt be legal.

In my opinion, you just have to watch some streams for a matter of about 10 minutes to realise some streamers are not playing the same version of the game that we are.

It's my opinion, that's all it is. But to me it's fairly obvious.

 

[Kroffe]

In my opinion, you just have to watch some streams for a matter of about 10 minutes to realise some streamers are not playing the same version of the game that we are.

It's my opinion, that's all it is. But to me it's fairly obvious.

I cant really comment on that since its been a long time since i watched any streams.
I just think the risk would be too big for the casino&provider for it to be worth it.
But like i said, my opinion is only based on that, not from watching streams.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Running versions of the slots that play better would involve alot of people, and im guessing it wouldnt be legal.

Not really. We've all seen how easy it is to knock up stupidly generous paying games for demo versions on dodgy providers...those demo versions that you play where you start with $100 and end up with $1,000,000 and bonus after bonus.

Yes enhanced versions of slots are banned for demo purposes to the general public but of course they will exist in house behind the scenes. RTP is completely customisable at the provider end (as we see with the likes of PNG and Red Tiger offering different RTP versions to casinos).

As far as I'm aware there is no law to prevent an affiliate playing an enhanced RTP version of a game and streaming it...

 

[interlog]

Not really. We've all seen how easy it is to knock up stupidly generous paying games for demo versions on dodgy providers...those demo versions that you play where you start with $100 and end up with $1,000,000 and bonus after bonus.

Yes enhanced versions of slots are banned for demo purposes to the general public but of course they will exist in house behind the scenes. RTP is completely customisable at the provider end (as we see with the likes of PNG and Red Tiger offering different RTP versions to casinos).

As far as I'm aware there is no law to prevent an affiliate playing an enhanced RTP version of a game and streaming it...

It would be against Advertising Standards for the UK market for a starters.

 

[brianmon]

It would be against Advertising Standards for the UK market for a starters.

How could the ASA prove anything though?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

How could the ASA prove anything though?

That plus there are technicalities to be used as work arounds.

 

[dunover]

We hade the GameArt bent demo slots scandal here a while ago. And I am telling you that recently I reviewed Joker Megaways via Relax Gaming and found that using the feature buy I couldn't lose on it, twice I raised 1k to over 12k. May be 'lucky' but it certainly didn't feel like it...I doubled the bet each time I won a few hundred x.
That said, if streamers were using bent games then they would be identifiable by having a different server url code to that of those the plebs like us play.

As for the ASA if there's no direct sign-up link to the casino in question, rather a streamer just happens to be playing there, then I'm not sure it would be legally wrong, if ethically wrong.

 

[DreamRJ]

I started watching some twitch streamers again the last week.......

Something I have noticed is CasinoDaddy who is actually a company and has many streamers who stream for them are running promotions and have tonnes of affiliate sites for Curacao Licensed casinos?!

I mean why the damn hell are they promoting such casinos? I was actually enjoying watching them stream, but when I started to see this on their website and the new giveaway they are running atm which is for vulcinovegas casino which is licensed in Curacao, it has now made me cringe at even watching them stream........

I really do think twitch for slots have totally changed now since when I used to stream on twitch. So many now are basically companies who stream with multiple streamers in that 1 company and they then stream for 12+hours every day....... 1 is 24/7 streams.......... I mean this just is not something I think is good........ I then mentioned this in CasinoDaddy chat and I got attacked for attacking CasinoCaddy for promoting Curacao casinos hahaha........ They obviously are just clueless people who have got no god damn idea..........

Sorry just had to rant about this, thought this thread was fitting when I did a search looking for a thread instead of making a new thread about it..........

 

[Bloatgoat]

Streamers dont stream to not make money out of it. There's your rule of thumb. There's always a catch. Some of 'm are honest. Some of 'm are not. Some of 'm prefer talking about the way it works (like Bandit), some would kick you out of their channel already before you where typing it. Most of 'm you can consider entertaining, but that's about it. There's no real winning streamer as nobody would really expose an ongoing succes with gambling really. It would be a matter of time before any casino hammers that down (as usual).

Before streaming started, it was all about affiliate links, posts and all that. Now with streaming you got a far bigger exposure then ever. Twitch, youtube, IG, Facebook, etc. All with the message LOOK HOW EASY YOU CAN WIN stuff. Just deposit and BOOM win like your favorite streamer. We all know the harsh reality and that streamers can get up to 40 to 60% of your deposit loss. So in technical speaking a 100 deposit lost means 40 to 60 for the streamer. Multiply that by 100 your looking at 4000 to 6000 and take the big streamers that could run into thousands of affiliates and your looking at a jackpot.

Most streamers have their deposits boosted up to 3 times per deposit. Most streamers have to wager a very long time, this is good because it extends the streaming time.

 

[JohnSnow]

Lol roshtein betting 50 euro each spin every single day all day long. Need to think about becoming a streamer to make back my losses over the years gambling oO

Yeah roshtein had to be mentioned AGAIN

 

[goatwack]

 

[Robert Rabbit]

Streamers dont stream to not make money out of it. There's your rule of thumb. There's always a catch. Some of 'm are honest. Some of 'm are not. Some of 'm prefer talking about the way it works (like Bandit), some would kick you out of their channel already before you where typing it.

Might be an unpopular opinion but that is one guy I can't stand. Throws in the occasional comment about responsible gambling and then loses tens of thousands in a one hour session, but there always seem to be a corresponding win announced somewhere, normally offline. He also seems a bit egotistical and fragile, even down to blocking comments on his you tube channel because people made adverse comments. I know he is popular but I just can't take to him

Following his mad rush at the beginning of the COVID outbreak however he has slowed down and is now barely streaming at all.

 

[Kroffe]

Might be an unpopular opinion but that is one guy I can't stand. Throws in the occasional comment about responsible gambling and then loses tens of thousands in a one hour session, but there always seem to be a corresponding win announced somewhere, normally offline. He also seems a bit egotistical and fragile, even down to blocking comments on his you tube channel because people made adverse comments. I know he is popular but I just can't take to him

Following his mad rush at the beginning of the COVID outbreak however he has slowed down and is now barely streaming at all.

I dont really watch streams anymore, but i used to back in the day.
Back then Bandit was one of the people i watched.
Very big difference on how he played back then vs how he plays now.

Used to be rare that he went over £2/spin.
Now every freaking video is 5 minutes of "lowrolling" then the rest of the video is him raising the stakes until he wins the money back that he lost in the first part of the video.
I think no other streamer advertises "raise stake and chase losses and it will all turn out nice" more than what he does.

I dont find it least bit entertaining to watch since its so far away from the way i play.
I mean, its far away from how 99.99% of players play.

 

[9HOURSAWAY]

Might be an unpopular opinion but that is one guy I can't stand. Throws in the occasional comment about responsible gambling and then loses tens of thousands in a one hour session, but there always seem to be a corresponding win announced somewhere, normally offline. He also seems a bit egotistical and fragile, even down to blocking comments on his you tube channel because people made adverse comments. I know he is popular but I just can't take to him

Following his mad rush at the beginning of the COVID outbreak however he has slowed down and is now barely streaming at all.

Spot on!

 

[Bloatgoat]

Might be an unpopular opinion but that is one guy I can't stand. Throws in the occasional comment about responsible gambling and then loses tens of thousands in a one hour session, but there always seem to be a corresponding win announced somewhere, normally offline. He also seems a bit egotistical and fragile, even down to blocking comments on his you tube channel because people made adverse comments. I know he is popular but I just can't take to him

Your not obligated to watch the bandit really, so if you dont like him, dont watch it. In my opinion he's an entertaining guy, is the only one that actually dares to go high limit, has a family, kids on which he watches out for, and plays / streams once in every 2 weeks. He already clarified on how much he would make on the affiliate comissions and really it's not alot.

Rocknrolla is a cool guy too, but since Providers moving the goal posts is happening you can see that Rocknrolla more plays table games now with (fast and big) losses overall. There's not alot really good streamers tho. I avoid watching "Streamers biggest wins" with their faces all over the screen and their affiliated gameplay. Thats my personal opinion.

 

[goatwack]

Should anyone with a family/ kids do high-stakes betting and promote others to do the same?

Just a random musing there

 

[goatwack]

Also of particular amusement that people will excuse x/y/z's behaviours when it's their favourite streamer, as the rules don't apply then, and it's the 'others' who are irresponsible shills

"But he's one of the good streamers"

Another random musing

 

[colinsunderland]

We all know the harsh reality and that streamers can get up to 40 to 60% of your deposit loss. So in technical speaking a 100 deposit lost means 40 to 60 for the streamer. Multiply that by 100 your looking at 4000 to 6000 and take the big streamers that could run into thousands of affiliates and your looking at a jackpot.

Just going to ask, I would love to know which casinos you think pay 60% of losses, or even 40%?
There are very few that pay close to the advertised percentage, and those that do would be bankrupt after a couple of months if they were paying 60%. Videoslots for example, advertise 25% and actually pay around 4%.
Most streamers, I imagine, are on CPA deals, thats why they switch casinos they promote so often.