ICE - Player issues and questions

[vinylweatherman]

Ed Ware has stated it to be untrue in the past. I'd like it from the horse's mouth as far as corporate. Ed has the finest integrity and reputation, but afaik, he doesn't program slots.

We must not forget that Ed is simply a customer of Microgaming, he may not actually know. We should ask Ed what he knew about what forum members have recently discovered about older 5 reel slots using weighted reels, which is not how video slots are supposed to work. We could then ask if Ed knows the individual payout percentage of each slot game, and if there is any reason why players cannot be allowed to know this information. If players ARE allowed to know this, we could ask Ed to release the payouts to the forum "scientists" so that we can verify the recent work by Zoozie and co in first cracking the reels, and then attempting to compute the individual payout percentages.
Crucially, if Zoozie's simulator comes out with the same percentage return as the Microgaming official figures, we will have evidence that prove their later video slots to be truly random, it would actually be to the benefit of Microgaming to have this claim verified by what would be seen by players as an independent team of investigators

 

[Casinomeister]

Getting ready to head out. Good questions

I'd like to know when Wager Logic, Playtech, and others are going to come back into the US market, considering that Microgaming and RTG don't have problems with it.

That's easy - Wagerlogic (Crypto) and Playtech are publicly traded - MGS and RTG are private companies. A publicly traded company answers to its share holders.

 

[zman]

Getting ready to head out. Good questions



That's easy - Wagerlogic (Crypto) and Playtech are publicly traded - MGS and RTG are private companies. A publicly traded company answers to its share holders.

Can you ask intercasino why i never win there Bryan?

 

[RobWin]

We must not forget that Ed is simply a customer of Microgaming, he may not actually know. We should ask Ed what he knew about what forum members have recently discovered about older 5 reel slots using weighted reels, which is not how video slots are supposed to work. We could then ask if Ed knows the individual payout percentage of each slot game, and if there is any reason why players cannot be allowed to know this information. If players ARE allowed to know this, we could ask Ed to release the payouts to the forum "scientists" so that we can verify the recent work by Zoozie and co in first cracking the reels, and then attempting to compute the individual payout percentages.
Crucially, if Zoozie's simulator comes out with the same percentage return as the Microgaming official figures, we will have evidence that prove their later video slots to be truly random, it would actually be to the benefit of Microgaming to have this claim verified by what would be seen by players as an independent team of investigators

Good luck on getting an honest answer to that one...I personally think you're pissing in the wind if you really think MG will ever fess up to letting players know the real truth behind how their slots actually work, I don't believe IGT has ever released that kind of info to the general public in all the years that they have been in business...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Good luck on getting an honest answer to that one...I personally think you're pissing in the wind if you really think MG will ever fess up to letting players know the real truth behind how their slots actually work, I don't believe IGT has ever released that kind of info to the general public in all the years that they have been in business...

It would be enough to have the individual payout figures, this should be enough to determine if the game is really a random slot, or some kind of lottery game with wins displayed as a slot combination (as is the case with many of the new breed of UK arcade 5 reel video slots).

It may be "pissing in the wind", but a powerful PC can eventually do enough "pissing" to get a sample big enough to compare with the figures calculated by the forum scientists. The older video slots, the "cheating" weighted ones, have short reels, and the sample needed to get a pretty accurate payout percentage is a good deal smaller. Slots such as Thunderstruck though, would require a very big sample to get a figure accurate enough to show any possible cheating, probably north of 10 million spins! I have certainly found that samples of several tens of thousand spins are still too small to get any meaningful payout data for Thunderstruck.

 

[tristan727]

I'd like to know when Wager Logic, Playtech, and others are going to come back into the US market, considering that Microgaming and RTG don't have problems with it.

Because, of those outfits who do, a good % of directors keep forgetting not to go to America on holiday. You'd think they could remember that 'America=prison', but I guess their wives need to shop.

 

[RobWin]

It would be enough to have the individual payout figures, this should be enough to determine if the game is really a random slot, or some kind of lottery game with wins displayed as a slot combination (as is the case with many of the new breed of UK arcade 5 reel video slots).

It may be "pissing in the wind", but a powerful PC can eventually do enough "pissing" to get a sample big enough to compare with the figures calculated by the forum scientists. The older video slots, the "cheating" weighted ones, have short reels, and the sample needed to get a pretty accurate payout percentage is a good deal smaller. Slots such as Thunderstruck though, would require a very big sample to get a figure accurate enough to show any possible cheating, probably north of 10 million spins! I have certainly found that samples of several tens of thousand spins are still too small to get any meaningful payout data for Thunderstruck.

I agree with you Vinyl that this would be great info to have, so we would all know for sure if they are truly random. I would love to see the results after all you brainiacs and rocket scientists decipher all that info. Lets just assume that you can get your hands on the info and you get all the data input into a super powerful PC, if MG has not already run north of 10 million spin samples then you are going to be running this test sample for 347.22 days assuming that you run 10 million test spins 24/7 around the clock which works out to 3 seconds per spin and hopefully you won't get cut off from the server during the test run, or you take MG's already run data at face value.

Then a year later, give or take a month or two you might have a 90 something percent accurate test sample. To me that's pissing in the wind, what's the point ? Just hit the button and spin the reels, pop the top on your favorite beer, kickback and enjoy your time playing and try not to put so much heavy thought into a process to where it is no longer fun...JMHO...

 

[Westland Bowl]

Because, of those outfits who do, a good % of directors keep forgetting not to go to America on holiday. You'd think they could remember that 'America=prison', but I guess their wives need to shop.

I wasn't referring to the sportsbetting operations but the regular casinos offering blackjack, slots, craps, etc. The US is/has been going after those offering sportsbetting services, as the US Wire Act specifically mentions, not those of regular casino games.

 

[GrandMaster]

There is no guarantee that the Attorney General of Louisiana or a sheriff in Kansas has not obtained a sealed warrant for violation of state law. I would not risk my luck if I were the director of a company which has been involved in online gambling in any form (other than the exempt special interests).

 

[Rusty]

Sorry OT, but just have to say that if the payout does match the expected return of the new 5 reel slots this does NOT mean they are truly random and NOT weighted. It helps but it in no way would be conclusive proof the slots are not rigged in any way.

It is not just the return that is important but how it is arrived at, in-fact that is crucial to the games integrity.

OK, don't wish to derail the thread so any replies PM me.