I sometime feel like the casino's are cheating

Daffy said:
Quoting Singledeck: "I play 1,000,000 hands for $20...I'm $14,000,000 behind (30% return)"
Excuse the language, but this is obviously horseshit!
Nobody on this planet (or any other) would lose $14m just to 'prove' an online casino was cheating!
Singledeck belongs in a mental institution, not a casino!
 
I just worked something out!
You can play what, about 5 hands of BJ a minute?
So 1,000,000 hands would take a total of 138.8 days of CONTINUOUS play. That's about 4.6 months. :eek2:
But no-one could play 24-hours a day, so lets say he did 9-hours play a day, which means it would take roughly a whole year playing 9-hours every single day!
What a hero Singledeck is! :notworthy
 
If this is the best you've got, why do you think anyone should believe in you? Show us some numbers.

And why play a million hands :what:

I mean... a million. When a few thousand would be more than enough.

If the software were so enourmously rigged that it only gave a 30% return there would be no need in the world to play many hands to prove that it is rigged. If you're really a sociology professor you should know you need far less sample to prove your point.
 
scrollock said:
i quit playing online BJ a couple of months ago, quite simply because i didnt want to be taken for a ride anymore.

then the other day i found 10 in playtech account of mine, for some silly reason i decided to play it on BJ, 10 hands later @ 1 a pop it was all gone. this was no particular shock coz as you say you expect to get ripped off here.

the next thing i know ive a stack of offers in my inbox from an MG, which can be played on BJ and having low WR's i havent seen for a few years now, it was actually this casino i last played BJ at and convinced me to give it up as i lost my biggest ever bet to a dealer miracle pull (i.e. 11v5, which is then doubled,I get a 9, dealer then gets a 6 & a 10).back to the story, this big loss actually resulted in me getting VIP status and hence the easy offers.

but when i played them, i was absolutly shocked to see the way the cards played, it was enough to put any playtech to shame. I always had MG down as the most honest, but there has defintley a change in the way the cards are playing, as i could see hand after hand the dealer making a miracle pull every single time.

found another one of those offers in my inbox, dealt 20 V A, dealer had the inevitable 10.

a nice round grand loss for the weekend, but the thing annoying me now, is that sometime ago i was made a VIP at this group, now they are denying this and refusing me my 200 bonus for being made a member.
 
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KASINOKING "INTELLIGENT"

KasinoKing said:
Excuse the language, but this is obviously horseshit!
Nobody on this planet (or any other) would lose $14m just to 'prove' an online casino was cheating!
Singledeck belongs in a mental institution, not a casino!
1. I HAVE NEVER SAID ; THAT I HAVE WAGERED ONE MILLION HANDS EACH GAME 20 $

KASINO KING IS TOTALLY UNABLE TO READ OBVIOUSELY
EVERY THREAD
YOU MAKE ONE MISTAKE AFTER THE OTHER; YOU PICK UP SENTENCES FROM DAFFY; NOT FROM ME
AND YOU HAVE NOT READ CAREFULLY THE FIRST THREADS


2. IF KASINOKING NEEDS TO INSULT OR INJURE ME PERSONALLY; HE IS SURELY VERY NAIVE AND STUPID
unable to read and think ...

singledeck
 
again insulting and unintelligent

KasinoKing said:
I just worked something out!
You can play what, about 5 hands of BJ a minute?
So 1,000,000 hands would take a total of 138.8 days of CONTINUOUS play. That's about 4.6 months. :eek2:
But no-one could play 24-hours a day, so lets say he did 9-hours play a day, which means it would take roughly a whole year playing 9-hours every single day!
What a hero Singledeck is! :notworthy


YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO READ AND THINK AGAIN KASINOKING

YOU ARE OBVIOUSELY "VERY INTELLIGENT"

READ MY FIRST THREADS YOU FOOL; BEFORE YOU MAKE EVERY TIME SUCH NONSENS OF THREADS
AND BEFORE YOU INSULT ME AND MY GAMING PARTNER IN EVERY THREAD !!!!

I KNOW GLOBAL PLAYER SINCE MORE THAN 3 YEARS
WE PALY ONLINE CASINOS SINCE ENARLY 4 YEARS !

SINGLEDECK :rolleyes:
 
singledeck said:
YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO READ AND THINK AGAIN KASINOKING

YOU ARE OBVIOUSELY "VERY INTELLIGENT"

READ MY FIRST THREADS YOU FOOL; BEFORE YOU MAKE EVERY TIME SUCH NONSENS OF THREADS
AND BEFORE YOU INSULT ME AND MY GAMING PARTNER IN EVERY THREAD !!!!

I KNOW GLOBAL PLAYER SINCE MORE THAN 3 YEARS
WE PALY ONLINE CASINOS SINCE ENARLY 4 YEARS !

SINGLEDECK :rolleyes:

Your caps lock key is on.

It took you 3 years to decide it was rigged? I don't understand.

But I'm not very intelligent either.
 
Me and KK and Everybody else

I guess you can lump me in with those that do not understand...

Singledeck posted that he has played MILLIONS of rounds on GP reno BJ...

Singledeck posted his results were 20% winners when the wager was $1-$3...

Singledeck posted his results were 70% loser when the wager was $20+...

(everybody agree so far???)

Soooooooooooo...I did a quick calculation based on 1,000,000 hands each way...and you read the results.

Maybe you did all this research in the "fun" mode???

Maybe a "million" is a different number in Bavaria???

All in all this thread is whimsical...I doubt the research and the results...

I have played at Global...not regularly...but some...I have no complaints and I've not read about many from other players...of course I'm only talking about a few THOUSAND gamblers...not MILLIONS...lol.

Is this a vendetta???

the dUck
 
my 2 cents

add me to the chorus, singledeck,
I have read every post you have made and you have provided NO data to back up your claims. You keep saying what an expert you are...we don't need to hear that; it's meaningless. Show us your stats and/or your statistical analysis of your BJ play and then you will be taken seriously.
You keep telling people to read your threads but you never said anything in the first place!!! There is no "there" there (or here). Maybe the fact that your english is poor is leading to gross misunderstandings, but you are insisting that you have made a point that you have, in fact, not made. I look forward to seeing your data.
 
singledeck said:
YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO READ AND THINK AGAIN KASINOKING

YOU ARE OBVIOUSELY "VERY INTELLIGENT"

READ MY FIRST THREADS YOU FOOL; BEFORE YOU MAKE EVERY TIME SUCH NONSENS OF THREADS
AND BEFORE YOU INSULT ME AND MY GAMING PARTNER IN EVERY THREAD !!!!

I KNOW GLOBAL PLAYER SINCE MORE THAN 3 YEARS
WE PALY ONLINE CASINOS SINCE ENARLY 4 YEARS !

SINGLEDECK :rolleyes:
Hi Singledeck,

I know you are new to this forum, but one thing you need to learn is that I do not tolerate shouting matches. You need to chill out or your account will be suspended. Thank you.
 
I asked Global Player, and they're happy to provide the gamelogs upon request. So Singledeck: request them & post them - in summary form, not every hand, lol.
 
singledeck said:
1. I HAVE NEVER SAID ; THAT I HAVE WAGERED ONE MILLION HANDS EACH GAME 20 $

KASINO KING IS TOTALLY UNABLE TO READ OBVIOUSELY
EVERY THREAD
YOU MAKE ONE MISTAKE AFTER THE OTHER; YOU PICK UP SENTENCES FROM DAFFY; NOT FROM ME
AND YOU HAVE NOT READ CAREFULLY THE FIRST THREADS


2. IF KASINOKING NEEDS TO INSULT OR INJURE ME PERSONALLY; HE IS SURELY VERY NAIVE AND STUPID
unable to read and think ...

singledeck
Firstly I apologise. In my post above I said "Daffy quoting Singledeck". That was wrong - he wasn't quoting you, just interpreting what you'd said. I can understand how he came to that conclusion, but accept it could be completely wrong.

I assure you I can read, but although I do tend to skip though posts very quickly sometimes, I usually pick up most of the important bits.

You also can obviously read, so read this:-

singledeck said:
again, i am an very experineced BJ player and do not spend my time for nonsens or insulting or complaining without any reason, we have played millions of rounds in GP for significant results, the fact is: the pay out rate for the real important games is only a bad joke ...

we have played millions of rounds , not a few hands for significant results.

it seems not make much sense , to write exactly and long threads before , if you do not read it carefully, before you reply to a part of the threads or picking up a few sentences in it....

again: you do not have to believe !
again; we have definetely played millions of rounds also in GP and MG casinos
again: the results are clearly to look in our first threads,

AND WE SPEAK FROM THE LONG RUN !

These are exact quotes from your earlier posts, all I have done is make some words bold.
Over and over again you say you've played millions of hands. That's millions with an 's' on the end - in other words more than 1 million, implying at least 2,000,000 hands of blackjack played at Global Player in 3-years.
You are intelligent, so surely you can understand how ridiculous this claim is? You do the maths - you would have to average around 5-6hrs of play every single day for 3-years! :what:
If you make outrageous and unsupported statements like this you are bound to get treated like an idiot, whoever you are! :rolleyes:

Give us some FACTS. At GP you have been very successful at low stakes, but murdered at higher stakes. So as an intelligent person, you have obviously stuck to low stakes where you're getting up to 120% return.
So please tell us, in your 3-years at Global how much in total have you deposited, and how much have you withdrawn?
What has been your profit or loss over those 3-years??

And what is it exactly you're trying to tell us:-
a) If you like big bets, don't go to GP because the software is rigged and you will lose.
or b) If you like small bets, do go to GP because the software is rigged and you will win.
... or maybe both!

Let me make one thing clear: I am not defending Global, or any other online casino, and I am not saying you are wrong in your conclusion. My personal opinion is that Blackjack is definitely rigged at all but a handful of places. I am not imposing my opinion on other people - they can believe what they want. But at least I do have some solid facts, which in my mind at least, support my experience...

KasinoKing said:
The blackjack figures actually put some credibility to my gut feel for this game at Cryptos. In 2003 it was probably my favourite game and I actually finished the last 4-months of that year in the black! (And I know I do not play perfect strategy). But early in 2004 I felt something had changed, and that I just could not win at it any more. The poor result that year and my steep decline in playing it this year are a reflection of that change.
 
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every thread - future ?

Hello KasinoKing,

first you apologize for the false quotation and incorrect comments (replieing to Daffy,) to comments and threads , which we have made originally

hanks for this, but:

you cannot let it be or ? again you call me an idiot..,
in every thread without exception from you - you insult us and have injured us personally with your comments or incorrect reading last threads, at .ex,. i have told all, why i ask for mg casinos , which do not request docs
what do you make? send thread: "... why do ask for this singledeck, do you have something to hide ...?"

you and CM may not wonder, if i get then a little bit angry, that you obviousley not read the first threads and reply something else, which we have already give answers...

we had nothing done bad to you since this point
, but if we restrain once a time with the "hard" word fool , there is a big hello from all people also form CM
i wonder about this really....

example comment from you KasinoKing:
singledeck should come in a mential institute , not a casino !!!!!

this is not a harmless comment, or ?

but.o.k the last comments from you (beside the new small insult) is the best one and seem to be factual ,
and may be we can go so on in future...
i expect friendly replies, not injuring me and other people
thats not too much , or ?

btw, we are more people, which have played enough rounds at GP , i wrote this in former threads , too
again the threads have not been read carefully, if you calculate my personally time playing in GP, its wasting time for you
and do you know, how much years we know GP ?



singledeck
 
I have no axe to grind - and if I did, it would be the other way: when I first played at GP, I had awful results. In addition, having bust a grand there a few days ago I'm in no mood to be supportive of them in the slightest, lol. Nor am I being. But you constantly talk about apparent results in some apparent "other" thread which doesn't exist, and you give no facts. You may well be right, they may well be cheating, but you can substantiate nothing, and are apparently unwilling to. Until you do, this is going nowhere.

Oh, and BTW, nothing you've said to me in private cannot be posted here openly. PMs are for exchanging things inappropriate for public viewing, not more of the same stuff as the thread. It just pointlessly clogs up my inbox, lol.

GLOBAL PLAYER: please provide this fellow with his FULL GAME LOGS, not choice selections from select periods; everything from day one of his play.

Thanks.
 
theme

caruso said:
I have no axe to grind - and if I did, it would be the other way: when I first played at GP, I had awful results. In addition, having bust a grand there a few days ago I'm in no mood to be supportive of them in the slightest, lol. Nor am I being. But you constantly talk about apparent results in some apparent "other" thread which doesn't exist, and you give no facts. You may well be right, they may well be cheating, but you can substantiate nothing, and are apparently unwilling to. Until you do, this is going nowhere.

Oh, and BTW, nothing you've said to me in private cannot be posted here openly. PMs are for exchanging things inappropriate for public viewing, not more of the same stuff as the thread. It just pointlessly clogs up my inbox, lol.

GLOBAL PLAYER: please provide this fellow with his FULL GAME LOGS, not choice selections from select periods; everything from day one of his play.

Thanks.
Hello,
again the same theme: i try to write in a friendly way, but some memebers seem not to write and discuss in a friendly way -
or they are not able to read the threads carefully ....
Caruso, can you show us any point of rigging or manipulating reproaches to GP in my last thread above ?
it was another theme !!!
have you replied to my last thread ?
i think , this cannot be , if yes-
so you may have not read the last thread regarding the insults from another member and other things ...
btw. i did not beg you, to send you a private message with the facts, or ? you have asked me, or not ?
i will lern my lesson and will never waste your time again with our experiences ....

but lets stop this senseless discussion i can say always the same thing: no one is forced to believe us , no one have to agree with our comments, its a forum and in forums normally different things and meanings will be discussed- thats all....
singledeck
 
jamiester said:
I will keep this simple:

Are you going to show us data to back up your claim?

Hello,

again and again the same mistakes and errors
Jamiester, i claim absoltely nothing !

all last threads had another theme..

the originally post/ thread "...sometimes i feel cheat ..."

is not from me, its form wonnoting !!!!

if you want to have data, ask him , not me, i have only replied to insulting mails in the past from KK (resolved) ,
i claim nothing, so i have not to show you anyhting

much people seem not to read the threads carefully and pick up only a few bites of them and then writing totally nonsens back...

again: this thread, in which we are actually ,had another theme !

the theme is not coming from me !
wonnoting created this thread, not me ...
in school people like you would get the badest rate, note, because like you, so much will forfeit the theme and seem not able to read carefully and reply to the last message and the actually theme...

singledeck
 
singledeck said:
i am not a casino owner, GP is surely not interested , to make public the scandlaous results for players at the higer wager games and real important games ON THE LONG RUN

Singledeck: I am representing Global-Player in this forum and we provide you publicly with exact statistics, once you request them here.
 
bpb said:
Anyone who follows basic strategy is as good as anyone else when it comes to online games, as card counting is not possible.

That is not completely true at Global-Player, as we do not reshuffle each hand: In the upper left-hand corner, you will see the discard box, where all the cards from the table end up after the round finishes. You can see the discard box fill up as the game progresses. When, after the end of a round, the discard box reaches a given size (or when the number of cards left in the shoe reaches a given minimum), the cards from the discard box are removed, shuffled together with the cards in the shoe, and placed back into the shoe. At this stage the discard box is empty.
 
I did not realize that global player used a shoe.

Just out of curiosity ... what led you to do this? Most online sites shuffle after each hand. Do you think this is something that attracts more players to your site?

Don't you have concerns about people card counting online? Or is the penetration low enough that it's not a realistic concern?
 
now you are just being ridiculous

singledeck said:
Hello,

again and again the same mistakes and errors
Jamiester, i claim absoltely nothing !

the theme is not coming from me !
wonnoting created this thread, not me ...
in school people like you would get the badest rate, note, because like you, so much will forfeit the theme and seem not able to read carefully and reply to the last message and the actually theme...

singledeck

Now you are just being obtuse on purpose!!! You know exactly what claim I am talking about and you referred to it yourself in responding in this thread! If you want to be petty and argue about which thread it should be in rather than back up your claims, that is just proof that you are being evasive. This quote is directly from you:

singledeck said:
"we have tested more than 50 the last 3 years and have made in nearly all the same experiences: you will have fantastically results and pay out rates (by the way, this is also unnormal and unfair!) , if you wager and bet low. the pay out rate was for all casinos in low wager games (1-3 $) over 120 % crossover !!. also you will have unnormal good results at the fun modus- but for wagers and bets of $ 20 or higher each game (we have played enough for significant results ! ) the pay out rate is only 15-25 % crossover for all online casinos, we have tested !! this result speaks for itself, there are only a few exceptions, which have a fair software obviousely, some of them are in the accredited list , some not...
why should at ex. the BJ Master of bavaria have in more than 70 % of cases bad luck in high wager games and real important games, but "good luck" in more than 120 % in low wager games or unimportant games, if the software would be fair programmated in online casinos ?
its only our opinion, but we have really played millions of rounds at BJ single deck at MG or Reno in GP and our results are the proof fo us, that the software is programmed in the following way in very much casinos:
you will have great results at low wagers and unimportant games , you will have scandalous results for high wagers and bets an nearly all real important games, also on the long run - i am sure, some people can agree .... "

You know this is the claim that is up for discussion that you have been refusing to back up. If you cannot show us the "results" of your "tests", then I believe that you should publicly retract your statements. And, yes, if it will make you happy, you can respond in the other thread with the right "theme". Come on, stop wasting our time and show us that you are someone whose word we can trust
 
Singledeck,
please do a public request to Global Player for the statistics and stats, I am very interested what it is all about.
 
jamiester said:
If you cannot show us the "results" of your "tests", then I believe that you should publicly retract your statements. And, yes, if it will make you happy, you can respond in the other thread with the right "theme". Come on, stop wasting our time and show us that you are someone whose word we can trust
My thoughts exactly. You're wasting our time with these posts.

Also, no offense, but if you wish to present your findings in a coherent manner, please find someone who is fluent in English. If you are in Bayern, this should be no problem for you. I'm not knocking your English, but there can be nothing questionable about your findings. If I were posting on a German message board - I'd have no problem getting my message across even though there would be grammatical errors (lots). But if I were presenting findings that need to be exact - I'd definitely have them reviewed by someone 100% fluent and post them without mistakes.
 
waste of time

last message: its a big waste of time ,to explain and write messages in this forum obviousely
much people in this forum seem not to be able to read carefully and too much forfeit the actually theme

the last time and then good bye forever, this is all too boring:

you are ACTUALLY in the thread ".. sometimes i feel cheat from online casinos..."

THIS THREAD IS ORIGINALLY FROM WONNOTING,

NOT FROM ME !! SO ASK HIM FOR DATA , NOT ME !
this seems to be too difficult for much people, to understand

only a few seem to be able, to discuss fair and reply to the last actually theme correctly

believe all the people in online gambling industry, the casinos, your master , your inflation threaders , thn you will be surely on the right way.... there are all surely more serious and honest than a sociologist , like me....
 

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