I sometime feel like the casino's are cheating

[wonnoting]

I dont know if it's me or they are really cheating, but I have notice this many times. This only happen when you start to bid a little high. The games I have been playing are blackjack. I have tested this with many casino's. When playing low hand like $1 the games feel ok and nothing wrong but once you start to bet $8 let say and you got 20 and stand the computer pick up another card then it stop for like a good 6 seconds and pick up another card and get 21.

Why does it stop so 5-6 seconds made me wonder that it happen before like 10 times and the computer always got 21. Does the computer pick out of the deck what card he needs to beat me is why it take long.

From the 10 or more times it happen to me I started with low amount and nothing was wrong all up to I bet higher and have a good card. The computer will pause for a while and always get a better hand then me most of the time 21. It really makes me think now is there something wrong going on. Does the casino have access to control the software or only the company who made the software.

 

[funeralparty]

Funny, I was going to post something about this today. I believe 100% that most softwares cheat....but of course only to a certain extent so as not to raise the suspicions of their "independent auditors"

Many posters will say they don't need to cheat because the built in odds will guarantee the house gets their share....but I really don't buy that. You will find many, many threads on this subject here.....and believe me these arent just angry losers.

And yes, I get the same pauses...and no, I don't believe its just internet traffic...Just the other day I was playing an extended session at a MG casino. I was making between $5-$10 bets. Everything seemed fine. I decided to throw one down for $25. Before my cards were dealt I got the slight pause....and then was dealt an 11. I pretty much knew I was being set up, but doubled anyway. And of course I lost the hand. This exact scenario has played out before time and time again with MG. Now, I HAVE won plenty from MG bj in the past.....the software just like to throw those dummy loser doubles at you every now and then.

At least with Playtech, you KNOW you're going to lose

 

[phynqster]

What you have to remember as a player, the reason you are probably raising your bets is that you are winning and are pushing your win. So it just makes sense if when you increase your bets is now when you start losing. May be when you are on a losing streak you should increase your bets and see what happens? Just a thought.

 

[scrollock]

Funny, I was going to post something about this today. I believe 100% that most softwares cheat....but of course only to a certain extent so as not to raise the suspicions of their "independent auditors"

Many posters will say they don't need to cheat because the built in odds will guarantee the house gets their share....but I really don't buy that. You will find many, many threads on this subject here.....and believe me these arent just angry losers.

And yes, I get the same pauses...and no, I don't believe its just internet traffic...Just the other day I was playing an extended session at a MG casino. I was making between $5-$10 bets. Everything seemed fine. I decided to throw one down for $25. Before my cards were dealt I got the slight pause....and then was dealt an 11. I pretty much knew I was being set up, but doubled anyway. And of course I lost the hand. This exact scenario has played out before time and time again with MG. Now, I HAVE won plenty from MG bj in the past.....the software just like to throw those dummy loser doubles at you every now and then.

At least with Playtech, you KNOW you're going to lose

i quit playing online BJ a couple of months ago, quite simply because i didnt want to be taken for a ride anymore.

then the other day i found 10 in playtech account of mine, for some silly reason i decided to play it on BJ, 10 hands later @ 1 a pop it was all gone. this was no particular shock coz as you say you expect to get ripped off here.

the next thing i know ive a stack of offers in my inbox from an MG, which can be played on BJ and having low WR's i havent seen for a few years now, it was actually this casino i last played BJ at and convinced me to give it up as i lost my biggest ever bet to a dealer miracle pull (i.e. 11v5, which is then doubled,I get a 9, dealer then gets a 6 & a 10).back to the story, this big loss actually resulted in me getting VIP status and hence the easy offers.

but when i played them, i was absolutly shocked to see the way the cards played, it was enough to put any playtech to shame. I always had MG down as the most honest, but there has defintley a change in the way the cards are playing, as i could see hand after hand the dealer making a miracle pull every single time.

 

[eek]

May be when you are on a losing streak you should increase your bets and see what happens? Just a thought.

 

[frafi]

my experience with nearly all casino i played is this:

I make nearly every time a little profit on the first deposit.
After coming back the next month they take back all the money and more.
So I think their software is programmed and knows the human greed. Sure, they have analysed our behaviour.
Everybody comes back and want more after winning.

On the Playtech site they say "without risk". What do you mean what they mean? They mean their customers, and that are not the players.

 

[raol]

Oh, man... If the casinos were cheating, do you really think it would take the server 5-6 seconds to execute that special cheating code? I wouldn't think so.

"Human perception" is not a good tool when it comes to evaluating if a game is fair or not (except if it's VERY rigged), you need statistics.

 

[KasinoKing]

Why does it stop so 5-6 seconds made me wonder that it happen before like 10 times and the computer always got 21. Does the computer pick out of the deck what card he needs to beat me is why it take long.

Which casino / software are you talking about here??

I have noticed the pause too at several places, although it's more like 0.5 seconds delay instead of the normal 0.1 seconds.
(The human brain is very perceptive - especially a gambler who thinks he's being screwed! )

 

[singledeck]

suspicious software programms

Hi wonnoting and funeral party,
if you are interested for results in BJ on the long run , read my threads from last week about BJ generally with TITLE Global Player from the start. i agree, that the dealers card dealing-process is sometimes very suspicious also on the long run. like much people have made the same experiences, you will have no problems for unimportant games with low wagers and bets/stakes, but if you raise the regular betting amount, oh god, these online casino software professionals are really great, the apy out will fall down to earth and the casinos have unbelievable long winning series ... singledeck

 

[dickens1298]

Here's a thought:

If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing and withdraw your funds. Or if you just lose your big bets, bet small and win them all....

Wow - now's THAT is revolutionary!



All sarcasm aside, I find this thread rather amusing. I've managed to win several thousand dollars from deposits of merely several hundred. I have won on MG casinos, as well as Cyberlogic casinos, and Bodog and casino-on-net to boot. I've seen - and I'm sure other players have as well - wins out of nowhere - where I could win a couple of hands in a row standing on a hard 17 with a dealer 10.

Have I lost? Of course. But when I see the cards start falling the other way, I stop playing. Or switch casinos. Or withdraw my funds. I've generally found that when I lose my entire deposit, it's because I've tilted and played to win my losses back. Sometimes luck is just against you, and you're better off taking a break.

Remember - one of the greatest advantages of playing online is its convenience. Not only does that mean you can play anytime, but it also means that you can just stop whenever you wish. There is no long "drive back" to contemplate, no need to "justify" the time needed to reach the casino.

 

[The Dude]

...Remember - one of the greatest advantages of playing online is its convenience. Not only does that mean you can play anytime, but it also means that you can just stop whenever you wish. There is no long "drive back" to contemplate, no need to "justify" the time needed to reach the casino.

Excellent point.

 

[singledeck]

respect

Here's a thought:

If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing and withdraw your funds. Or if you just lose your big bets, bet small and win them all....

Wow - now's THAT is revolutionary!



All sarcasm aside, I find this thread rather amusing. I've managed to win several thousand dollars from deposits of merely several hundred. I have won on MG casinos, as well as Cyberlogic casinos, and Bodog and casino-on-net to boot. I've seen - and I'm sure other players have as well - wins out of nowhere - where I could win a couple of hands in a row standing on a hard 17 with a dealer 10.

Have I lost? Of course. But when I see the cards start falling the other way, I stop playing. Or switch casinos. Or withdraw my funds. I've generally found that when I lose my entire deposit, it's because I've tilted and played to win my losses back. Sometimes luck is just against you, and you're better off taking a break.

Remember - one of the greatest advantages of playing online is its convenience. Not only does that mean you can play anytime, but it also means that you can just stop whenever you wish. There is no long "drive back" to contemplate, no need to "justify" the time needed to reach the casino.

Hello dickens 1298 , please keep in future your intelligent sarcastic points for you no one is to be forced or have to believe very experienced BJ players from germany/bavaria (me and G. Becker, 2 times master of BJ in our country) but i expect respect, like i give the other members respect in this forum, too
we have only replied to the thread: .."sometimes i feel cheat..." to wonnoting and funeral party

naturally we do not lose all games with high wager and bets and naturally we do not win all games at low wagers and bets, WE HAVS SPOKEN CLEARLY SEVERAL TIMES of the long run and the suspicious way, software from online casinos seems to be programmated generally...

we have played millions of rounds , not a few hands for significant results

if you do not want to beliive a sociology professor and a german master of BJ, its your "problem" , believe in online casinos representatives and all persons in this industry , who get money from them ,to tell big stories; but we do not want to be insulted from people, who havent read our first threads and comments regarding the whole theme

i am sure, i would have read my whole threads regarding the pay out rate in low wagers and high wager games from last week, you would have understood , what we mean... my english is not good, but ia m not your or anyones fool , i do not need the explain the same points ten times, read my threads carefully and may be you would be able to understand the last thread

i speak in all cases not from a few hands, i speak form results on the long run !

try it out, if you have enough money ...

singledeck

 

[bpb]

we have played millions of rounds , not a few hands for significant results

If you're played millions of hands online then you've undoubtedly organized your results (along with significant statistical analysis) into an ironclad defense of your assertion that Global Player isn't dealing a fair game. Please provide a link to that information. Because frankly, I can't see how anyone could call a game rigged without the math to back it up.

 

[singledeck]

sense ?

Hi, bpb

it seems not make much sense , to write exactly and long threads before , if you do not read it carefully, before you reply to a part of the threads or picking up a few sentences in i t....

again: you do not have to believe !
again; we have definetely played millions of rounds also in GP and MG casinos
again: the results are clearly to look in our first threads,

AND WE SPEAK FROM THE LONG RUN !

it s boring us in the meantime , to write and tell people always the same things...


again: i am not a casino owner, GP is surely not interested , to make public the scandlaous results for players at the higer wager games and real important games ON THE LONG RUN

their own statistic and our money management and our results are proof enough for us...

again: we are very experienced and also good players in BJ, esspecially Reno, singledeck

we only speak from/of this fgame, not from other games !!!



singledeck

 

[bpb]

So I take it that you have no statistical analysis to back up your claims.

I also don't understand why you keep saying that you are very good BJ players. Anyone who follows basic strategy is as good as anyone else when it comes to online games, as card counting is not possible. Your ability to follow a strategy card doesn't make you an expert in the field.

I just don't like to see somebody drag the name of any respected casino through the mud because they lost money and don't understand variance in gambling.

 

[caruso]

I am also confused by the GP player's constant references to evidence that's apparently been posted, which in fact hasn't been posted anywhere. Singledeck, please contact Global Player, get your game logs and post a breakdown - that will go a long way to throwing light on your claims.

Just the other day I was playing an extended session at a MG casino. I was making between $5-$10 bets. Everything seemed fine. I decided to throw one down for $25. Before my cards were dealt I got the slight pause....and then was dealt an 11. I pretty much knew I was being set up, but doubled anyway. And of course I lost the hand.

Funny you should say this - I was going to bump my "Nightmare screenshots" thread, but this seems as good a place as any: standard Microgaming full-balance bet, throwing up standard 11 v. stiff, requiring the re-deposit.

The result was obvious enough, and hardly a overly large bet, but here's the screenshots anyway for your vicarious pleasure:

 

[dickens1298]

Hello dickens 1298 , please keep in future your intelligent sarcastic points for you no one is to be forced or have to believe very experienced BJ players from germany/bavaria (me and G. Becker, 2 times master of BJ in our country) but i expect respect, like i give the other members respect in this forum, too
we have only replied to the thread: .."sometimes i feel cheat..." to wonnoting and funeral party

naturally we do not lose all games with high wager and bets and naturally we do not win all games at low wagers and bets, WE HAVS SPOKEN CLEARLY SEVERAL TIMES of the long run and the suspicious way, software from online casinos seems to be programmated generally...

we have played millions of rounds , not a few hands for significant results

if you do not want to beliive a sociology professor and a german master of BJ, its your "problem" , believe in online casinos representatives and all persons in this industry , who get money from them ,to tell big stories; but we do not want to be insulted from people, who havent read our first threads and comments regarding the whole theme

i am sure, i would have read my whole threads regarding the pay out rate in low wagers and high wager games from last week, you would have understood , what we mean... my english is not good, but ia m not your or anyones fool , i do not need the explain the same points ten times, read my threads carefully and may be you would be able to understand the last thread

i speak in all cases not from a few hands, i speak form results on the long run !

try it out, if you have enough money ...

singledeck

My my... I seemed to have touched a sore spot. I'm not going to speak about what it means to be "master of BJ". Basic strategy is fairly straightforward, and usually player advantages can be derived from card-counting, which is negated by these online "continuous-shuffle" games.

Candidly, I tire of players who continually gripe about being ripped off. If you know someone is a liar and a cheat, then you would be a fool to entrust him/her with money. If you know a casino to be rogue, then you're a fool to deposit money with it. If you know - or claim - a casino's games to be crooked, then yes, you're a fool to play those games.

The initial poster did not mention - at least, not in this thread - which online casino he played at. Hence, his general accusations could be taken to be directed at the online gaming industry as a whole. In which case, we may as well just stop playing online blackjack and call it a day.

I find it interesting that you begin to make allusions to the number of hands you have played and your bankroll relative to mine. I play online blackjack to make money - if I could not do that, I would not still be playing.

And frankly, I'd rather win some money playing just a few hands than lose money playing "millions" of hands.

As to your remark about your other threads, I lack the time and the inclination to do that sort of research. I simply responded to the thread of which this response is part of.

 

[Daffy]

Not a master

I think this is the older thread...

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/global-player.9115/?t=9115

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Okay using these results...

I play 1,000,000 hands for $1....I'm $200,000 ahead (120% return)


Then...

I play 1,000,000 hands for $20...I'm $14,000,000 behind (30% return)

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Wow,

I would like to personally thank these two masters for blowing $14 mil to prove GP "reno" BJ should only be played at $3 or less.

the dUck

PS: "that dog won't hunt"

 

[caruso]

I think this is the older thread...

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/global-player.9115/?t=9115

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Okay using these results...

I play 1,000,000 hands for $1....I'm $200,000 ahead (120% return)


Then...

I play 1,000,000 hands for $20...I'm $14,000,000 behind (30% return

I must be the only one who can't see this, then. Can you please cut & paste the alluded-to results? Which post number? I can't see anything resembling a results breakdown, and I've re-read the damn thing.

 

[fast_eddie]

You might want to try an online casino that offers live delt blackjack. I do not play blackjack but play live roulette and it's more fun and you don't feel your being cheated. Good Luck.

 

[funeralparty]

Actually Caruso, I was going to bump your thread up had this one not started. Anytime I ever think of redepositing to split or double, I remember your classic nightmare thread to change my mind. As an interesting side note, maybe the one advantage of the MG bonus accounts is you can't depost in the bonus accounts, thus you only lose half as much if you are are in the position to split. I actually had this situation come up recently: Dealer was showing a 7, and I was dealt 2 8's. I had the rest of my balance on the table....couldn't split because I was playing in my bonus account, so I was forced to hit...and actually ended up winning the hand!

Anyhow, I think the point being missed here, is that statistics are a mute point with concerns to this thread. Im sure if I went and played 10,000 hands of vegas strip....flat betting a buck or 2...I would get pretty close to the expected results. And if flat betting $200? Maybe I would get the same results as well.....but I doubt there is anyone out there who is willing to make that sort of financial investment on MG bj, or any software for that matter. And maybe thats saying something....

Furthermore, the point here is when you all of a sudden spike your bet up a sizable amount....is when you are more apt to losing. And, of course this only has to happen once or twice in a session, and there you have a losing session...and nothing looks suspicious because you probably won more hands than lost anyways. So it all looks legit.

 

[Daffy]

Here ya go

Global Player

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Hello, my enlish is not good, but i hope you will understand it: i speak only for the BJ game !i only want to inform players , that the new accredited casino Global Player has NOT an INDEPENDENT SOFTWARE - test or proof for their BJ Software. the casino software is NOT watched or proofed from extern firms or anyone ! they create their own software...
the software is NOT audited from anyone, that it is really fair...
no firm like PWC (at the most MG casinos) proof and test GP software for fairness- so , they can do what they want, or not ?
so think , what you want , but i have not played 10, 100 or laughing 1000 rounds- i have played millions of rounds and i am absoulutely sure (also like Gert Becker= a master of BJ in bavaria 1997 and 1994 is sure ), the software from GP in BJ Reno is a scandal. if you do not believe, try it out ! if you wager and bet like you do it in your fair land casino, you will be ruinated... quickly i play since 20 years in land casinos and i am very experienced player with much good regularly results . but GP have in my opinion not a fair software on the long run !! in Reno BJ. normally the player have an advantage in this game on the long run, not at GP ! i can remember, another forum poster have made the same bad experience, too - but i have to say generally as a sociology professor: if you want to be kid and robbed out , play online casinos ! ; we have tested more than 50 the last 3 years and have made in nearly all the same experiences: you will have fantastically results and pay out rates (by the way, this is also unnormal and unfair!) , if you wager and bet low. the pay out rate was for all casinos in low wager games (1-3 $) over 120 % crossover !!. also you will have unnormal good results at the fun modus- but for wagers and bets of $ 20 or higher each game (we have played enough for significant results ! ) the pay out rate is only 15-25 % crossover for all online casinos, we have tested !! this result speaks for itself, there are only a few exceptions, which have a fair software obviousely, some of them are in the accredited list , some not...
why should at ex. the BJ Master of bavaria have in more than 70 % of cases bad luck in high wager games and real important games, but "good luck" in more than 120 % in low wager games or unimportant games, if the software would be fair programmated in online casinos ?
its only our opinion, but we have really played millions of rounds at BJ single deck at MG or Reno in GP and our results are the proof fo us, that the software is programmed in the following way in very much casinos:
you will have great results at low wagers and unimportant games , you will have scandalous results for high wagers and bets an nearly all real important games, also on the long run - i am sure, some people can agree ....
singledeck


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Not an easy read (which is okay and not to be ridiculed...my German would be much worse)...I have bolded the sections I was using.

the dUck

 

[nafanny29]

but i have not played 10, 100 or laughing 1000 rounds- i have played millions of rounds

 

[winismylife]

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[vinnybono]

fast eddie,what is a live casino

You might want to try an online casino that offers live delt blackjack. I do not play blackjack but play live roulette and it's more fun and you don't feel your being cheated. Good Luck.

i like playing roulette..i was always under the impression that internet gambling was some camera in some casino and you could actually play live..sort of like off track betting..i ended up at casino on net which isn't bad but the thought of a "live" casino intrigues me