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I sometime feel like the casino's are cheating

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by wonnoting, Aug 8, 2005.

    Aug 8, 2005
  1. wonnoting

    wonnoting Dormant account

    I dont know if it's me or they are really cheating, but I have notice this many times. This only happen when you start to bid a little high. The games I have been playing are blackjack. I have tested this with many casino's. When playing low hand like $1 the games feel ok and nothing wrong but once you start to bet $8 let say and you got 20 and stand the computer pick up another card then it stop for like a good 6 seconds and pick up another card and get 21.

    Why does it stop so 5-6 seconds made me wonder that it happen before like 10 times and the computer always got 21. Does the computer pick out of the deck what card he needs to beat me is why it take long.

    From the 10 or more times it happen to me I started with low amount and nothing was wrong all up to I bet higher and have a good card. The computer will pause for a while and always get a better hand then me most of the time 21. It really makes me think now is there something wrong going on. Does the casino have access to control the software or only the company who made the software.
  2. Aug 8, 2005
  3. funeralparty

    funeralparty Dormant account

    Funny, I was going to post something about this today. I believe 100% that most softwares cheat....but of course only to a certain extent so as not to raise the suspicions of their "independent auditors" :)

    Many posters will say they don't need to cheat because the built in odds will guarantee the house gets their share....but I really don't buy that. You will find many, many threads on this subject here.....and believe me these arent just angry losers.

    And yes, I get the same pauses...and no, I don't believe its just internet traffic...Just the other day I was playing an extended session at a MG casino. I was making between $5-$10 bets. Everything seemed fine. I decided to throw one down for $25. Before my cards were dealt I got the slight pause....and then was dealt an 11. I pretty much knew I was being set up, but doubled anyway. And of course I lost the hand. This exact scenario has played out before time and time again with MG. Now, I HAVE won plenty from MG bj in the past.....the software just like to throw those dummy loser doubles at you every now and then.

    At least with Playtech, you KNOW you're going to lose :rolleyes:
  4. Aug 8, 2005
  5. phynqster

    phynqster Dormant account

    los angeles, ca
    What you have to remember as a player, the reason you are probably raising your bets is that you are winning and are pushing your win. So it just makes sense if when you increase your bets is now when you start losing. May be when you are on a losing streak you should increase your bets and see what happens? Just a thought.
  6. Aug 8, 2005
  7. scrollock

    scrollock Senior Member

    boro, uk

    i quit playing online BJ a couple of months ago, quite simply because i didnt want to be taken for a ride anymore.

    then the other day i found 10 in playtech account of mine, for some silly reason i decided to play it on BJ, 10 hands later @ 1 a pop it was all gone. this was no particular shock coz as you say you expect to get ripped off here.

    the next thing i know ive a stack of offers in my inbox from an MG, which can be played on BJ and having low WR's i havent seen for a few years now, it was actually this casino i last played BJ at and convinced me to give it up as i lost my biggest ever bet to a dealer miracle pull (i.e. 11v5, which is then doubled,I get a 9, dealer then gets a 6 & a 10).back to the story, this big loss actually resulted in me getting VIP status and hence the easy offers.

    but when i played them, i was absolutly shocked to see the way the cards played, it was enough to put any playtech to shame. I always had MG down as the most honest, but there has defintley a change in the way the cards are playing, as i could see hand after hand the dealer making a miracle pull every single time.
  8. Aug 8, 2005
  9. eek

    eek Dormant account

    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D
  10. Aug 8, 2005
  11. frafi

    frafi Full Member

    my experience with nearly all casino i played is this:

    I make nearly every time a little profit on the first deposit.
    After coming back the next month they take back all the money and more.
    So I think their software is programmed and knows the human greed. Sure, they have analysed our behaviour.
    Everybody comes back and want more after winning.

    On the Playtech site they say "without risk". What do you mean what they mean? They mean their customers, and that are not the players.
  12. Aug 8, 2005
  13. raol

    raol Dormant account

    Oh, man... If the casinos were cheating, do you really think it would take the server 5-6 seconds to execute that special cheating code? I wouldn't think so.

    "Human perception" is not a good tool when it comes to evaluating if a game is fair or not (except if it's VERY rigged), you need statistics.
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2005
  14. Aug 8, 2005
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Which casino / software are you talking about here?? :what:

    I have noticed the pause too at several places, although it's more like 0.5 seconds delay instead of the normal 0.1 seconds.
    (The human brain is very perceptive - especially a gambler who thinks he's being screwed! :eek2: )
  16. Aug 8, 2005
  17. singledeck

    singledeck Banned User - too annoying

    sociology professor
    suspicious software programms

    Hi wonnoting and funeral party,
    if you are interested for results in BJ on the long run , read my threads from last week about BJ generally with TITLE Global Player from the start. i agree, that the dealers card dealing-process is sometimes very suspicious also on the long run. like much people have made the same experiences, you will have no problems for unimportant games with low wagers and bets/stakes, but if you raise the regular betting amount, oh god, these online casino software professionals are really great, the apy out will fall down to earth and the casinos have unbelievable long winning series ... singledeck
  18. Aug 8, 2005
  19. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    LA, California
    Here's a thought:

    If you think a casino is cheating, stop playing and withdraw your funds. Or if you just lose your big bets, bet small and win them all.... :D

    Wow - now's THAT is revolutionary! ;)

    All sarcasm aside, I find this thread rather amusing. I've managed to win several thousand dollars from deposits of merely several hundred. I have won on MG casinos, as well as Cyberlogic casinos, and Bodog and casino-on-net to boot. I've seen - and I'm sure other players have as well - wins out of nowhere - where I could win a couple of hands in a row standing on a hard 17 with a dealer 10.

    Have I lost? Of course. But when I see the cards start falling the other way, I stop playing. Or switch casinos. Or withdraw my funds. I've generally found that when I lose my entire deposit, it's because I've tilted and played to win my losses back. Sometimes luck is just against you, and you're better off taking a break.

    Remember - one of the greatest advantages of playing online is its convenience. Not only does that mean you can play anytime, but it also means that you can just stop whenever you wish. There is no long "drive back" to contemplate, no need to "justify" the time needed to reach the casino.
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  20. Aug 8, 2005
  21. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Excellent point.
  22. Aug 8, 2005
  23. singledeck

    singledeck Banned User - too annoying

    sociology professor

    Hello dickens 1298 , please keep in future your intelligent sarcastic points for you no one is to be forced or have to believe very experienced BJ players from germany/bavaria (me and G. Becker, 2 times master of BJ in our country) but i expect respect, like i give the other members respect in this forum, too
    we have only replied to the thread: .."sometimes i feel cheat..." to wonnoting and funeral party

    naturally we do not lose all games with high wager and bets and naturally we do not win all games at low wagers and bets, WE HAVS SPOKEN CLEARLY SEVERAL TIMES of the long run and the suspicious way, software from online casinos seems to be programmated generally...

    we have played millions of rounds , not a few hands for significant results

    if you do not want to beliive a sociology professor and a german master of BJ, its your "problem" , believe in online casinos representatives and all persons in this industry , who get money from them ,to tell big stories; but we do not want to be insulted from people, who havent read our first threads and comments regarding the whole theme

    i am sure, i would have read my whole threads regarding the pay out rate in low wagers and high wager games from last week, you would have understood , what we mean... my english is not good, but ia m not your or anyones fool , i do not need the explain the same points ten times, read my threads carefully and may be you would be able to understand the last thread

    i speak in all cases not from a few hands, i speak form results on the long run !

    try it out, if you have enough money ...

  24. Aug 8, 2005
  25. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    If you're played millions of hands online then you've undoubtedly organized your results (along with significant statistical analysis) into an ironclad defense of your assertion that Global Player isn't dealing a fair game. Please provide a link to that information. Because frankly, I can't see how anyone could call a game rigged without the math to back it up.
  26. Aug 8, 2005
  27. singledeck

    singledeck Banned User - too annoying

    sociology professor
    sense ?

    Hi, bpb

    it seems not make much sense , to write exactly and long threads before , if you do not read it carefully, before you reply to a part of the threads or picking up a few sentences in i t....

    again: you do not have to believe !
    again; we have definetely played millions of rounds also in GP and MG casinos
    again: the results are clearly to look in our first threads,


    it s boring us in the meantime , to write and tell people always the same things...

    again: i am not a casino owner, GP is surely not interested , to make public the scandlaous results for players at the higer wager games and real important games ON THE LONG RUN

    their own statistic and our money management and our results are proof enough for us...

    again: we are very experienced and also good players in BJ, esspecially Reno, singledeck

    we only speak from/of this fgame, not from other games !!!

  28. Aug 8, 2005
  29. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    So I take it that you have no statistical analysis to back up your claims.

    I also don't understand why you keep saying that you are very good BJ players. Anyone who follows basic strategy is as good as anyone else when it comes to online games, as card counting is not possible. Your ability to follow a strategy card doesn't make you an expert in the field.

    I just don't like to see somebody drag the name of any respected casino through the mud because they lost money and don't understand variance in gambling.
  30. Aug 8, 2005
  31. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    I am also confused by the GP player's constant references to evidence that's apparently been posted, which in fact hasn't been posted anywhere. Singledeck, please contact Global Player, get your game logs and post a breakdown - that will go a long way to throwing light on your claims.

    Funny you should say this - I was going to bump my "Nightmare screenshots" thread, but this seems as good a place as any: standard Microgaming full-balance bet, throwing up standard 11 v. stiff, requiring the re-deposit.

    The result was obvious enough, and hardly a overly large bet, but here's the screenshots anyway for your vicarious pleasure:
  32. Aug 8, 2005
  33. dickens1298

    dickens1298 Dormant account

    LA, California
    My my... I seemed to have touched a sore spot. I'm not going to speak about what it means to be "master of BJ". Basic strategy is fairly straightforward, and usually player advantages can be derived from card-counting, which is negated by these online "continuous-shuffle" games.

    Candidly, I tire of players who continually gripe about being ripped off. If you know someone is a liar and a cheat, then you would be a fool to entrust him/her with money. If you know a casino to be rogue, then you're a fool to deposit money with it. If you know - or claim - a casino's games to be crooked, then yes, you're a fool to play those games.

    The initial poster did not mention - at least, not in this thread - which online casino he played at. Hence, his general accusations could be taken to be directed at the online gaming industry as a whole. In which case, we may as well just stop playing online blackjack and call it a day.

    I find it interesting that you begin to make allusions to the number of hands you have played and your bankroll relative to mine. I play online blackjack to make money - if I could not do that, I would not still be playing.

    And frankly, I'd rather win some money playing just a few hands than lose money playing "millions" of hands.

    As to your remark about your other threads, I lack the time and the inclination to do that sort of research. I simply responded to the thread of which this response is part of.
  34. Aug 9, 2005
  35. Daffy

    Daffy Experienced Member

    middle management
    Not a master

    I think this is the older thread...



    Okay using these results...

    I play 1,000,000 hands for $1....I'm $200,000 ahead (120% return)


    I play 1,000,000 hands for $20...I'm $14,000,000 behind (30% return)



    I would like to personally thank these two masters for blowing $14 mil to prove GP "reno" BJ should only be played at $3 or less.

    the dUck

    PS: "that dog won't hunt"
  36. Aug 9, 2005
  37. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll

    Casino apologist
    I must be the only one who can't see this, then. Can you please cut & paste the alluded-to results? Which post number? I can't see anything resembling a results breakdown, and I've re-read the damn thing.
  38. Aug 9, 2005
  39. fast_eddie

    fast_eddie Dormant account

    You might want to try an online casino that offers live delt blackjack. I do not play blackjack but play live roulette and it's more fun and you don't feel your being cheated. Good Luck.

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