I Hate the Reverse Withdrawal Facility

[dunover]

The casinos like Sluts Tragic and Co. that forbid deposits while withdrawals are pending use the double whammy. Admittedly that site usually only has a few hours' pending period but those that don't use the 'no deposit' as an insurance. As Chuchu said, the policy is bad.

It's bad enough having a pending period but to have one that doesn't (say like 32red does) allow just a partial reverse without affecting the countdown of the pending period is terrible. It's just a way of ensuring in your 'weakest period' after a win you must reverse the whole lot and not just a few quid - and that's what they want.

In soccer it's said "a team is at its most vulnerable when they've jut scored" and the casino knows the gambler is in the hours after they just won.

I think what Webczas alludes to i.e. the fact he considers it to be a RG issue too, is correct. I would love to see the UKGC lead the way by telling the casinos: "All deposits are final. Therefore all withdrawals should be."

But the casinos will just come up with the usual blather about "convenience for the player" utter

OR "Saves processing costs" - most charge for deposits or withdrawals so more

Kudos to the first casino or rep that comes here and admits what EVERY player here knows, and EVERY casino knows.

"WE MAKE A LOT OF DOSH BY USING PENDING PERIODS THAT WILL ENSURE A SIZEABLE PERCENTAGE OF OUR DEBTS ARE VOIDED BY WEAK PLAYERS."

90% of my budget goes to casinos with minutes-to-hours pending. The other 10% goes to the 32red sites, with a just-tolerable 24 hours. I vote with my cash.

 

[goatwack]

As above.

Now imagine us gamblers could reverse our deposits after a losing session. I'd be up thousands!

 

[Deeplay]

90% of my budget goes to casinos with minutes-to-hours pending. The other 10% goes to the 32red sites, with a just-tolerable 24 hours. I vote with my cash.

24 hours 4 days a week up until a certain hour then your looking at 72 hours minumum and even more on a weekend like this with a bank holiday.

32Red are now one of the slowest paying casinos in comparison to many others. And the Viper client is a piece of junk these days but let us not de-rail -)

 

[dunover]

24 hours 4 days a week up until a certain hour then your looking at 72 hours minumum and even more on a weekend like this with a bank holiday.

32Red are now one of the slowest paying casinos in comparison to many others. And the Viper client is a piece of junk these days but let us not de-rail -)

Not really a derail as when I first joined the webmeister section and the CM members first saw my link to my site, I admit I received a few PMs asking what the hell I was doing promoting them when they stood out like a sore thumb compared to all the other brands I have. I had to remove them; the PM-ers had a valid point. As for Viper client, on both of the last 2 days they've updated. That involves the bastards closing and reopening when I open them up initially, then all the games need re-downloading. So no argument there.

Back on track, we can all live in the futile hope that once the majority of casinos don't have pending periods that the UKGC or other licensing bodies will abolish them for the remaining minority.

 

[goatwack]

Oh my, I'd love just one casino rep to come forward and admit that reversals are useful tool for them and that they acknowledge players' weaknesses to fully exploit this facility.

Although gamblers generally hate it, this admission would go a long way to earning our respect and not treating players as morons.

Most of us are already aware of our compulsive nature with gambling, and casinos' lame reversal dogma just goes further towards alienating themselves from their userbase.

It doesn't even have to be "We implement this facility because our players are weak douchebags", but something more akin to "We use this facilty because it has brought us significant profitabilty from returning players" would be far better.

Just don't tell us the reverse withdrawal option is there for our own good

 

[Harry_BKK]

yea, innit mate, have to stay strong now for two days and no more reversing!

You don't need to stay strong Phil... just activate that 48-hrs break and you can relax and enjoy the Easter weekend.

 

[Harry_BKK]

deleted, started new thread - see "32RED not acting responsibly"

 

[RSA1]

Well, I simply trying to avoid casinos, where long reverse withdrawal time is set. For example, in Redbet this pending period is 0 minutes.

In case, I play in some casinos with reverse withdrawal period, I use another feature. If I win some money, I simply setup betting ans session limit, like 1 euro per session and session duration to 1 minute, and after that order withdrawal. The I sleep peacefully.
The reverse time for Responsible gambling usually one week, so withdrawal will be processed faster.

 

[Webzcas]

Funnily enough only the second video I did for my YouTube channel was on this very subject a couple of weeks ago.

At least I can't reverse over the weekend my withdrawals at Guts

 

[chuchu59]

I ended up reversing the eight hundred I won and played some silly £20 spins on sterling silver, now have a reversible withdrawal request for £4,400

Need to stay strong now

Help yourself out by depositing $50 in another casino with a big bonus offer. Then play at min. stakes with the intention of losing every single cent of it.

 

[Welshy88]

Won £200 from £10 on slingo. Made a withdrawal request on Friday . Made sure then that I was verified .i was told payment team will process it Wednesday.
Seems along time .
I cracked today and cancelled withdrawal .
Lost £43 then Bruce Lee saved me and cashed out £200 again .
Need to be stronger .

 

[frogrest22]

Cool Down Period

Won £200 from £10 on slingo. Made a withdrawal request on Friday . Made sure then that I was verified .i was told payment team will process it Wednesday.
Seems along time .
I cracked today and cancelled withdrawal .
Lost £43 then Bruce Lee saved me and cashed out £200 again .
Need to be stronger .

You can set a cool down period on your Slingo account for 48 hours; that is what i do when i have a withdrawal pending. You can find the option in the manage account section.

 

[Welshy88]

You can set a cool down period on your Slingo account for 48 hours; that is what i do when i have a withdrawal pending. You can find the option in the manage account section.

Oh thanks mate might do that just in case .won't affect them processing withdrawal or anything?

 

[dunover]

Won £200 from £10 on slingo. Made a withdrawal request on Friday . Made sure then that I was verified .i was told payment team will process it Wednesday.
Seems along time .
I cracked today and cancelled withdrawal .
Lost £43 then Bruce Lee saved me and cashed out £200 again .
Need to be stronger .

Odd - I find they pay next working day, you should be processed tomorrow about lunchtime.

 

[Welshy88]

Odd - I find they pay next working day, you should be processed tomorrow about lunchtime.

They send the live chat to your email so I've just checked back at the chat .

(12:47:04 PM) Kaitlin: I can confirm that I have fully verified your account and I can see that your withdrawal is due to be processed by our Payments Team on Wednesday, this will then be sent to your bank who can take a further 3- 5 working days to process the funds (depending on who you bank with it can be quicker)

 

[Simmo!]

I'm amazed this reverse ploy has never crossed the radars of the regulators, in particular the UKGC. I went to their stand at ICE and mentioned it should be looked at but it'll take more than me to make them stand up and take any notice. If players wrote to them in bulk it might help. *might*.

Along with deposit limits, this is arguably the biggest single factor in addressing gambling problems IMO and yet it has totally been ignored. It makes you wonder if the regulators are too afraid of upsetting the industry by not tackling it.

It should be treated like the "Cool Off" thing IMO: players should have the option to set a reverse time of their own choosing.

 

[colinsunderland]

I'm amazed this reverse ploy has never crossed the radars of the regulators, in particular the UKGC. I went to their stand at ICE and mentioned it should be looked at but it'll take more than me to make them stand up and take any notice. If players wrote to them in bulk it might help. *might*.

Aong with deposit limits, this is arguably the biggest single factor in addressing gambling problems IMO and yet it has totally been ignored. It makes you wonder if the regulators are too afraid of upsetting the industry by not tackling it.

It should be treated like the "Cool Off" thing IMO: players should have the option to set a reverse time of their own choosing.

Completely agree, they set 100 auto spins as max, they set the time limits you have to set before you get a nag screen telling you how long you have been playing, but you can reverse a withdrawal request sometimes up to 3-4 days later and thats fine with them!

 

[fun4all]

I'm amazed this reverse ploy has never crossed the radars of the regulators, in particular the UKGC. I went to their stand at ICE and mentioned it should be looked at but it'll take more than me to make them stand up and take any notice. If players wrote to them in bulk it might help. *might*.

It should be treated like the "Cool Off" thing IMO: players should have the option to set a reverse time of their own choosing.

I think your idea of making an option to choose how much reverse time is a good one. Casinos would only implement that if forced to by regulations but it would be a decent compromise. That would also put an end to all of the "the players want a reverse option" nonsense we hear from casinos when they implement reverse withdrawal feature.

Of course such a sensible and player friendly idea will find it tough to make it through the UKGC. Instead we should be happy we are limited to max 100 autoplay spins, I mean its for the protection of the players .

 

[dunover]

I'm amazed this reverse ploy has never crossed the radars of the regulators, in particular the UKGC. I went to their stand at ICE and mentioned it should be looked at but it'll take more than me to make them stand up and take any notice. If players wrote to them in bulk it might help. *might*.

Along with deposit limits, this is arguably the biggest single factor in addressing gambling problems IMO and yet it has totally been ignored. It makes you wonder if the regulators are too afraid of upsetting the industry by not tackling it.

It should be treated like the "Cool Off" thing IMO: players should have the option to set a reverse time of their own choosing.

Likewise. I spoke to them (UKGC) at ICE and found on every subject you are met with total apathy and a vague 'Yes, we're looking at that' and that's about it.

So we have an unconfirmed figure that about 30% of withdrawals are lost back during the pending period which if correct would make the reverse period a massive RG factor, and a UKGC that insists on petty annoying actions such as pop-up timers and meddling with autoplay.

One the worst things about this is some casinos like 32red will let you part-reverse a w/d so it doesn't affect the time you initiated it as long as you don't take it all back OR you can still deposit while it's pending, whereas on All-British I found that A) you cannot deposit while you have a pending w/d and B) if you choose to reverse it must be the WHOLE amount. That is definitely not in the interests of RG......

 

[lockinlove]

I get really pissed off when casinos stall. Had that with intertops a couple years ago. Had a $1400 wthdraw pending for 4 business days. Got tired of waiting. Reversed and lost it all. After that, I closed my account and never returned.

Ive also had my biggest win. A couple months ago I reversed a $900 withdraw and won $4200 on a 45 cent bet.

You lose more than you win reversing imo. I think these casinos that stall on purpose should be thrown in the rogue pit.

 

[AussieB]

Although not casino related one thing I liked about Pokerstars was they give you so many options to change to your user settings to to your specifications one of them was the reverse withdrawal option YOU the customer has the choice in the software to turn it on which will enable you to cancel a withdrawal or turn it off which you WILL NOT be able to cancel the withdrawal under any circumstances.

If you have it turned off and try turn it on there is a 7 day wait period.

If Pokerstars can do it then it can't be too hard to implement across all gambling platforms but as discussed we all know the real reason the reverse option is there.

Any casino I play at always has the very quick withdrawal time once verified

 

[spurs1882]

I'm amazed this reverse ploy has never crossed the radars of the regulators, in particular the UKGC.

BetVictor called me about responsible gambling not too long ago and during the call they offered to remove the function to reverse withdrawals on my account so there is definitely at least one UKGC operator who is taking some action on this.

 

[Welshy88]

Dunover was correct they did process my payment from slingo today.
Don't know why the woman on live chat told me wednesday.

 

[dunover]

Dunover was correct they did process my payment from slingo today.
Don't know why the woman on live chat told me wednesday.

I'm a font of useful information.

I think she meant you'd get the funds Wednesday (which you will if you used a credit or debit card.)

I'm quite an expert on Spin Genie/Slingo/Pocket Fruity and BGT Games. The 4 sites are related and all of them process the next working day. If you withdraw in the evening that's only a matter of hours pending. They also state you can reverse before processing - that USED to be the case but I'm darned if I can see a reverse facility there in the account, which is a good thing.

P.S. I assume that was you on my YT channel asking about Slingo w/d's?

 

[Jono777]

Signed up with BGT earlier today, should have checked first maybe but totally disappointed they have no Rapist yet their 'sister' sites do

Can throw my cash into Netbent and Misely Giving Scatters at plenty of other places

 

[dunover]

Signed up with BGT earlier today, should have checked first maybe but totally disappointed they have no Rapist yet their 'sister' sites do

Can throw my cash into Netbent and Misely Giving Scatters at plenty of other places

Yes, I can't promote the 4 sites as you will have seen, in case the brother's uncle of someone who served me in the local chippie 2 years ago signs up and therefore we are 'associated'. I too noticed the anomaly, 3 of them have WMS and BGT don't. BGT have very few games, but pay quick. I am 1300+ up there thanks to Twin Spin, the gift that keeps giving. Paid fast, no hassle.

 

[DANB9191]

Reality Check !!

This should definitely be removed from all casinos now that the "Reality Check" has just come in. It's too tempting to leave it there, I'm on a casino where it takes them up to a week to approve it !! Like I'm not gonna reverse that balance to try and make it bigger !! It always shrinks if not it disappears

They love having this available to customers :lick:

 

[Welshy88]

I'm a font of useful information.

I think she meant you'd get the funds Wednesday (which you will if you used a credit or debit card.)

I'm quite an expert on Spin Genie/Slingo/Pocket Fruity and BGT Games. The 4 sites are related and all of them process the next working day. If you withdraw in the evening that's only a matter of hours pending. They also state you can reverse before processing - that USED to be the case but I'm darned if I can see a reverse facility there in the account, which is a good thing.

P.S. I assume that was you on my YT channel asking about Slingo w/d's?

Ha yes . I noticed you was on slingo early in the video.

 

[hokiepoker]

Ohhh my my.....doncha wanna jus puke!!!!!!!!!

I've never reversed once in 14 years not have I even been tempted........



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Stay Strong and good luck

Ohhh my my.....doncha wanna jus puke!!!!!!!!!

 

[KasinoKing]

Signed up with BGT earlier today...

Britain's Got Talent!
What is your act going to be?

You can't just take your laptop on stage and scream abuse at it while playing slots... Dunover already did that one!

KK

 

[Jono777]

Britain's Got Talent!
What is your act going to be?

You can't just take your laptop on stage and scream abuse at it while playing slots... Dunover already did that one!

KK

lol, Very good

My act will be to have 40 RR feature guarantees, 11 Immortal Romance wild desires with only reel 5 wild, 6 JATB features with the harps active but they do not come and The 'W' egg on Egg O matic sail past 15 times without dropping once.

All this will be done in utter calmness with the cheesiest of smiles whilst smoking a ciggie (may have to get some sort of special permit for that bit) and hopping on one leg.

To add to the effect, I'm going to ask Captain Rizk if I can borrow his 'No Bullshit' outfit too!

Golden Buzzer, here I come