I am retiring from NotEntertainment slots

[Chipkin9]

Hi CM.

I just want to have a little rant about NotEntertainment.

About a week ago I started off with a balance of £140 and decided that Vile Robber (Wild Water) can't possibly eat my bankroll in an hour again, so I decided to play it exclusively.

So I start my session at my typical bet for Vile Robber which is £0.40. This gave me an absolute minimum of 350 spins.

So I get a blank 1st 23 spins, and just knew what was about to occur (Now if this was a random slot, you wouldn't be able to predict what's about to happen).

So to cut a long story very very very very very short, I ended up having around 1300 (oddish, can't remember the exact spin count) and triggered the freespins an enormous Zero times.

I felt like the biggest sucker ever thinking FFS it must be about time now after threatening the freespins over 30 times.

Today I thought the same again. Only this time I only lost around £70 on it, same result, zero freespins.

Now here is the kicker for me. When I first started out with Vile Robber, I'd play at £0.20 per spins and would trigger the Surfer freespins in under 20-30 spins, and it would pay on average 20-50x Bet.

I think I've found the reason why!

Well on the absolute minimum bet of £$€0.20 per spin winning between 20-50x Bet (In freespins) is not really that much is it? But if you play at £$€0.40,0r above it's a bit more of a significant payout, isn't it?

So if you try and play the slot strategically and "Correctly" using Bankroll Management, well the slot just outsmarts you and gobbles your money. They're designed for that particular purpose.

F**k NotEnt.

I'll be a sucker no more for this slot development company!


PS: This Topic is steeped in accusations of conspiracy, and if you think the last 3-5 Jackpot winners of NotEnt games are from Sweeden isn't phishy then you're as big as a moron as me

I'll let you in on the secret though, Sweedish Company gives code to employers computer, bonus gets triggered in Sweeden, NotEnt keep the money and split it, Simple! No Jackpot!

I've felt a little hesitant to post the PS part for fear of insults, ridicule or other derogatory comments thrown my way, but I'll post it on the basis that I'm a bit drunk

 

[incrediblestuff]

Hi CM.

I just want to have a little rant about NotEntertainment.

About a week ago I started off with a balance of £140 and decided that Vile Robber (Wild Water) can't possibly eat my bankroll in an hour again, so I decided to play it exclusively.

So I start my session at my typical bet for Vile Robber which is £0.40. This gave me an absolute minimum of 350 spins.

So I get a blank 1st 23 spins, and just knew what was about to occur (Now if this was a random slot, you wouldn't be able to predict what's about to happen).

So to cut a long story very very very very very short, I ended up having around 11300 (oddish, can't remember the exact spin count) and triggered the freespins an enormous Zero times.

I felt like the biggest sucker ever thinking FFS it must be about time now after threatening the freespins over 30 times.

Today I thought the same again. Only this time I only lost around £70 on it, same result, zero freespins.

Now here is the kicker for me. When I first started out with Vile Robber, I'd play at £0.20 per spins and would trigger the Surfer freespins in under 20-30 spins, and it would pay on average 20-50x Bet.

I think I've found the reason why!

Well on the absolute minimum bet of £$€0.20 per spin winning between 20-50x Bet (In freespins) is not really that much is it? But if you play at £$€0.40,0r above it's a bit more of a significant payout, isn't it?

So if you try and play the slot strategically and "Correctly" using Bankroll Management, well the slot just outsmarts you and gobbles your money. They're designed for that particular purpose.

F**k NotEnt.

I'll be a sucker no more for this slot development company!


PS: This Topic is steeped in accusations of conspiracy, and if you think the last 3-5 Jackpot winners of NotEnt games are from Sweeden isn't phishy then you're as big as a moron as me

I'll let you in on the secret though, Sweedish Company gives code to employers computer, bonus gets triggered in Sweeden, NotEnt keep the money and split it, Simple! No Jackpot!

I've felt a little hesitant to post the PS part for fear of insults, ridicule or other derogatory comments thrown my way, but I'll post it on the basis that I'm a bit drunk

There are some discrepancies in your story, which i will assume is due to your being a tad drunk
If you got 11300 0.40 spins from a 140,- bankroll, you had some decent playtime!
The absolute minimum, i.e all dead spins would be 350 spins to be exact, like you stated in your first sentence, but i really find this highly unlikely, close to impossible.

If it were true, i also would tend to stop playing that slot for sure, but i actually quite like it.
Netent has a huge palette of slots, so you could really expand your horizon there, as i must assume you haven't tried them all, or at least not with such horrible results, if you somehow did, then your the most unlucky bloke out there, and i would consider stopping spinning altogether, if that would be me

I am not a moron, and i refuse to see the Progressives as being rigged to only trigger for Swedes, i can assure you they are also won by at least two Dutch guys, and one bloke from somewhere in the UK or Ireland, i forgot where exactly..
Do some digging around, and you'll find this info here on the forum or elsewhere.

I did laugh at that statement (then you are as big a moron as me ), but i also don't think you are a moron, just a bit drunk and maybe misinformed, which is a dangerous combo to go theorizing

I would also advise you to read up on bankroll management, since what you described is the opposite of it.

Good luck next time!

 

[Nifty29]

Hmmmmm.

The Swedish jackpot winners wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Netent are huge in the Nordic countries and have a large promotional presence there, would it?

Nah. It's rigged. Makes more sense. After all, the casino makes more money from Swedish players winning the jackpot, doesn't it. Oh hang on......

The OP is not a result of too much alcohol. It's too little knowledge.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Hmmmmm.

The Swedish jackpot winners wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Netent are huge in the Nordic countries and have a large promotional presence there, would it?

Nah. It's rigged. Makes more sense. After all, the casino makes more money from Swedish players winning the jackpot, doesn't it. Oh hang on......

The OP is not a result of too much alcohol. It's too little knowledge.

Valid point, wanted to add that but forgot, but the rest is a wee bit unfriendly mate, i think its a good combo of both
Maybe he would have posted a much more reasonable story or theory, if at all, when not drunk

 

[tinybettor]

11300 spins! Surely that must be a typo. That means you rolled over your deposit more than 30 times which is quite an impressive feat playing Netent slots. I'd be lucky to get more than 5x 90% of the time.

 

[Chipkin9]

Hmmmmm.

The Swedish jackpot winners wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Netent are huge in the Nordic countries and have a large promotional presence there, would it?

Considering NotEnts players are worldwide I would say there are more than 10x more players NOT from Sweeden than there are FROM Sweeden, so I would maybe ponder that as well

But, hey the Jackpots are exclusive aren't they?

 

[Chipkin9]

If it were true, i also would tend to stop playing that slot for sure, but i actually quite like it.
Netent has a huge palette of slots, so you could really expand your horizon there, as i must assume you haven't tried them all, or at least not with such horrible results, if you somehow did, then your the most unlucky bloke out there, and i would consider stopping spinning altogether, if that would be me

I am not a moron, and i refuse to see the Progressives as being rigged to only trigger for Swedes, i can assure you they are also won by at least two Dutch guys, and one bloke from somewhere in the UK or Ireland, i forgot where exactly..
Do some digging around, and you'll find this info here on the forum or elsewhere.

I intend to stop playing NotEntertainment entirely.

I have tried all their slots with different results, but the most common result being my bankroll being vacuumed into their accounts.

I've had varying results in games like Flowers, SOTS, Thief, Frankenstein etc...Sometimes coming out ahead in them sometimes.

But in other Slots the results are ALWAYS the same, never coming out ahead; such games are CFTBL, Vile Robber, DOA etc...

So you are correct in saying I should stick to certain slots and thanks for that advice (That I somehow knew myself but didn't take)

Basically it's my own fault for being a moron

A man once said "Doing the same thing over & over again are the sign of a mad man"; or something like that. I'm the madman

Also you aren't moron

That term was used broadly for people who defend NotEnt to the end of the earth and back without questioning happenings. Then again I always carry a tin foil hat just in case

But the point is I am absolutely sick of NotEntertainments slots and feel they aren't as random as other people think.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Chipkin9]

Hmmmmm.

The Swedish jackpot winners wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Netent are huge in the Nordic countries and have a large promotional presence there, would it?

Nah. It's rigged. Makes more sense. After all, the casino makes more money from Swedish players winning the jackpot, doesn't it. Oh hang on......

The OP is not a result of too much alcohol. It's too little knowledge.

Also, what you basically and essentially said was that if a slot developer from Liechtenstein made Jackpot slots for people all around the world, then it wouldn't be suspect if the jackpot was won 3-5 times in a row by someone from Liechtenstein, since you know, only players from Liechtenstein play them

Regardless of who made the slot, players from the world over play these slots, and a single person from any country should have the same chance of winning the jackpot.

Example: Players from the US who play NotEnt slots: Approx = 2 Million
Players from Sweeden who play NotEnt slots: Approx = 1 Million
Players from China who play NotEnt slots: Approx = 15 Million

So someone in China should be 15x more likely to win the NotEnt jackpot than someone from Sweeden and 7.5x more likely to win it from the US.

See where I'm going with this?

And I'm the man with "too little knowledge".


What you have implied is ridiculous, and I don't appreciate your insults either.

Anyway good luck in your NotEntertainment sessions

 

[incrediblestuff]

Fair enough, as long as you are willing to accept that those jackpots aren't prone to be hit by only Scandinavian peeps, and wear your tin foil hat with pride, i won't hold it against you

Jokes aside, if you have been playing all their slots a lot, as you say having bad results overall, it might be a wise choice to stop playing there.. However i must add that especially the slots you mentioned, like DoA, CFTBL and Wild Water are high variance, the first two VERY high, so you can expect a bashing on those most of the time.

I certainly agree most of their slots aren't totally random, since it is a well known fact that they use a pseudo random generator (doesn't have much influence over the T-RTP though) but to each their own, and i hope you have better luck overall elsewhere, i would really advise you to try Play&Go for a bit, they have really done a great thing with their slots in terms of variance, i always feel i am getting a good bang for my buck on most of their releases..

Edit: just saw your reply to Nifty, and although he was a tad ..well, Nifty he did make a valid point: it is still a fact that Netent, despite their targeting a large part of Europe and i believe Australia too, is still absolutely the most played in Scandinavia..
Thus it is more likely for one of those players to hit it, and i really want to assure you again, they have been hit by other countries inhabitants too!

(now don't you go telling me that those were secretly Swedes that emigrated to those countries and lived their until they got their new passports so they could allude us from the horrible truth )

Best thing for you is to sober up, then come back tomorrow with a clear head and read up on all the news from netent's various jackpot winners, so you won't make the same mistake next time!

Cheers for not calling me a moron too
Good luck mate..

 

[Chipkin9]

11300 spins! Surely that must be a typo. That means you rolled over your deposit more than 30 times which is quite an impressive feat playing Netent slots. I'd be lucky to get more than 5x 90% of the time.

Indeed it was a typo, thanks for pointing out, the spin count was around 1300.

 

[Chipkin9]

Fair enough, as long as you are willing to accept that those jackpots aren't prone to be hit by only Scandinavian peeps, and wear your tin foil hat with pride, i won't hold it against you

Jokes aside, if you have been playing all their slots a lot, as you say having bad results overall, it might be a wise choice to stop playing there.. However i must add that especially the slots you mentioned, like DoA, CFTBL and Wild Water are high variance, the first two VERY high, so you can expect a bashing on those most of the time.

I certainly agree most of their slots aren't totally random, since it is a well known fact that they use a pseudo random generator (doesn't have much influence over the T-RTP though) but to each their own, and i hope you have better luck overall elsewhere, i would really advise you to try Play&Go for a bit, they have really done a great thing with their slots in terms of variance, i always feel i am getting a good bang for my buck on most of their releases..

Edit: just saw your reply to Nifty, and although he was a tad ..well, Nifty he did make a valid point: it is still a fact that Netent, despite their targeting a large part of Europe and i believe Australia too, is still absolutely the most played in Scandinavia..
Thus it is more likely for one of those players to hit it, and i really want to assure you again, they have been hit by other countries inhabitants too!

(now don't you go telling me that those were secretly Swedes that emigrated to those countries and lived their until they got their new passports so they could allude us from the horrible truth )

Best thing for you is to sober up, then come back tomorrow with a clear head and read up on all the news from netent's various jackpot winners, so you won't make the same mistake next time!

Cheers for not calling me a moron too
Good luck mate..

Thanks for your input again IncredibleStuff. Everything has been taken on board, but I do still stand by my opinion that there is no such Jackpot on NotEnt slots, and they just have an employee with the Jackpot code on his computer (However ridiculous people may think that sounds) so the Jackpot ends up being scooped by NotEnt themselves. My point was never actually against it being Sweedes who won the Jackpot

Anyway, I just hope people wake up from this fake illusion of big wins (or life changing wins) that is NotEntertainment.

Good Luck to you!

Thanks,

Chip

 

[Nifty29]

Lack of knowledge isn't an insult. It doesn't infer stupidity....it just means one doesn't know enough about something.

If I wanted to insult you I would have made that clearer.

My point was that in spite of all the cumulative years of knowledge and experience available to you here in the forums, you still actually believe that Netent create their own player accounts and trigger jackpots on those accounts so they can keep the money. You also believe that the proportion of jackpot winners should exactly match the proportion of players from each country.

The two statements above is enough for even the most ardent tinfoil hatters to stop and say "Ermmmm.....what?".

All I can suggest is that you don't drive too far in any one direction lest you fall off the edge of the Earth.

My opinions are about your beliefs, not you personally. If you do take it personally, then you're either missing the point or deliberately making it about me to deflect attention away from the fact that you have absolutely no basis, evidence or data to support those beliefs. It's almost like me saying "God is a hamster" and using "prove he isn't" as my primary argument.

 

[Finn]

I've posted this on couple of older threads

2012 geographic regions' share of Betsson's profits from business-to-consumer related activities (includes casino, poker, sportsbook, etc, everything except profits from licensing stuff to other casinos)

81.5% Nordic Countries
16.9% EU, outside of Nordic Region
0.5% Rest of Europe
1.2% Rest of the World

So the pattern of most of Netent jackpots going to Nordic Countries, and occasionally to EU countries outside of Nordic Region, usually Great Britain or Netherlands, and never to any country outside of EU+Norway, that pattern is pretty logical considering these numbers.

Betsson has 18 language options, they are probably the most internationally oriented NetEnt casino out there, yet they make over 80% of their profits from Nordic countries. There are plenty of NetEnt casinos that offer services only in 4 languages, English and 3 languages of Nordic countries, Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish, some casinos offer services only in 1 language of 1 Nordic country, so many of them make well over 90% or even 100% of their profits from Nordic countries, so no wonder that's where the jackpots go where the NetEnt progressives are played the most.

By the way, the 2nd and 3rd largest NetEnt jackpots of 2014, the Arabian Nights jackpot pool shared by medium to small NetEnt casinos, and the Arabian Nights jackpot Paf pool, went to Finland.

 

[dionysus]

It's almost like me saying "God is a hamster" and using "prove he isn't" as my primary argument.

Stoopid internet lied to me

 

[Captain Chaos]

In defence of NetEnt though (yes, I am actually going to defend them for a change). They can give you some pretty good playtime as I discovered this morning. 2 hours from a Free Spin bonus on Starburst. Changing over to Lights. Could have made a cash out but WR got me in the end. They're not always doom and gloom.

 

[Tirilej]

I'll let you in on the secret though, Sweedish Company gives code to employers computer, bonus gets triggered in Sweeden, NotEnt keep the money and split it, Simple! No Jackpot!

I sometimes feel that I've heard it all....then something new shows up

I wonder though if it's only NetEnt as a company you're accusing of cheating, or is it all of those NetEnt casinos too that have Swedish owners...or maybe even all casinos that are offering these Jackpot games?
That would be a hell of a lot casinos that split the money...or just the owners of NetEnt.

But wait, who owns NetEnt?
Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

Maybe it's time that people are reading up a little about this company

 

[maphesto]

It's very easy to understand. When the people at NetEnt decides that a Jackpot has to be won, they simply turn on a special Jackpot Switch! And we swedes are closer to the server and therefore can win it first. This is also why we swedes almost never win RJ's at RTG casinos, we are simply to far away from the server.

The lesson is, if you want to play progressives, use casinos close to you.

 

[Tirilej]

It's very easy to understand. When the people at NetEnt decides that a Jackpot has to be won, they simply turn on a special Jackpot Switch! And we swedes are closer to the server and therefore can win it first. This is also why we swedes almost never win RJ's at RTG casinos, we are simply to far away from the server.

The lesson is, if you want to play progressives, use casinos close to you.

Maybe we should change the country in our profile.
Who will listen to a Swede?

 

[Captain Chaos]

Maybe we should change the country in our profile.
Who will listen to a Swede?

I'll have to fly over to Sweden then. Set my laptop on wifi right next to the server offices and bobs your uncle! I'll be closer than anyone! I'm bound to get first dibs on it. A foolproof system at last! I shall be thinking of all you poor peeps when I'm buying my mansion

 

[whodatrec]

I think its Norwegians that have won the most jackpots? The biggest one was won @ Betsson by a Norwegian student.. With his winnings from Freespins... Imagine that winning 90 Million NOK on a free bankroll

 

[carlisleboy]

I personally wouldn't be making accusations that have been made in this thread.

However I too am fed up with net entertainment slots and have stopped playing them, because I never seem to have luck on them.

One thing I do agree with the OP on, is that not entertainment, while a cheap easy shot, is how I feel about them myself.

I guess it horses for courses when it comes to slots and casino, for instance I couldn't stand the slots at Dice, yet many like them and Dice have a very good reputation as a casino.

 

[zanzibar]

So I decided to see if the "bloody Swedes win all the Net Ent jackpots" theory stacks up to reality (yeah I was really bored).
According to the casinolistings.com list of biggest jackpot wins...

1 Mega Fortune Mega
20 January 2013, 14:29 UTC
by Anon, Finland at Paf
Net Entertainment €17,860,868

2 Mega Fortune Mega
23 September 2011, 23:29 UTC
by Anon, Norway at Betsson
Net Entertainment €11,735,446

3 Arabian Nights
23 November 2012, 15:44 UTC
by Anon, Finland at Paf
Net Entertainment → Paf €8,635,872

4 Hall of Gods Mega
8 February 2012, 13:14 UTC
by Anon, Sweden at Unibet
Net Entertainment €7,673,975

5 Hall of Gods Mega
23 October 2012, 08:29 UTC
by Anon, Norway at Betsson
Net Entertainment €7,361,478

6 Hall of Gods Mega
28 May 2014, 23:29 UTC
by Anon, Sweden at Betsson
Net Entertainment €7,361,240

7 Mega Fortune Mega
18 January 2012, 02:59 UTC
by Anon, Finland at Paf
Net Entertainment €6,864,812

8 Hall of Gods Mega
20 April 2013, 17:59 UTC
by Anon, Sweden at Betsson
Net Entertainment €6,739,821

9 Hall of Gods Mega
27 October 2013, 02:14 UTC
by Anon, Scotland at BetVictor
Net Entertainment €6,413,593


Here's the league table with wins and money totals. It looks a bit like world cup qualifying, especially with Scotland at the bottom

Finland 3 wins, 33.3m
Sweden 3 wins, 21.7m
Norway 2 wins, 19.1m
Scotland 1 win, 6.4m

Now if you had have said "those bloody Nordics..."

 

[dunover]

Hi CM.

I just want to have a little rant about NotEntertainment.

About a week ago I started off with a balance of £140 and decided that Vile Robber (Wild Water) can't possibly eat my bankroll in an hour again, so I decided to play it exclusively.

So I start my session at my typical bet for Vile Robber which is £0.40. This gave me an absolute minimum of 350 spins.

So I get a blank 1st 23 spins, and just knew what was about to occur (Now if this was a random slot, you wouldn't be able to predict what's about to happen).

So to cut a long story very very very very very short, I ended up having around 1300 (oddish, can't remember the exact spin count) and triggered the freespins an enormous Zero times.

I felt like the biggest sucker ever thinking FFS it must be about time now after threatening the freespins over 30 times.

Today I thought the same again. Only this time I only lost around £70 on it, same result, zero freespins.

Now here is the kicker for me. When I first started out with Vile Robber, I'd play at £0.20 per spins and would trigger the Surfer freespins in under 20-30 spins, and it would pay on average 20-50x Bet.

I think I've found the reason why!

Well on the absolute minimum bet of £$€0.20 per spin winning between 20-50x Bet (In freespins) is not really that much is it? But if you play at £$€0.40,0r above it's a bit more of a significant payout, isn't it?

So if you try and play the slot strategically and "Correctly" using Bankroll Management, well the slot just outsmarts you and gobbles your money. They're designed for that particular purpose.

F**k NotEnt.

I'll be a sucker no more for this slot development company!


PS: This Topic is steeped in accusations of conspiracy, and if you think the last 3-5 Jackpot winners of NotEnt games are from Sweeden isn't phishy then you're as big as a moron as me

I'll let you in on the secret though, Sweedish Company gives code to employers computer, bonus gets triggered in Sweeden, NotEnt keep the money and split it, Simple! No Jackpot!

I've felt a little hesitant to post the PS part for fear of insults, ridicule or other derogatory comments thrown my way, but I'll post it on the basis that I'm a bit drunk

If ever a sentence in the CM forum has stopped me from retiring from the foil hat business, it is that one. I will need to order more presses, moulds and rolls to keep up with demand now. There goes my quiet summer.

 

[rainmaker]

Finland 3 wins, 33.3m
Sweden 3 wins, 21.7m
Norway 2 wins, 19.1m
Scotland 1 win, 6.4m

More countries can be added to this list

A couple of examples may be the guy from Portugal that won a €2.1 mill Mega Fortune jackpot on a €1 bet. And the 44 year old player from The Netherlands that won a €3.7 million Mega Fortune jackpot last year (she also won €3.3 million on Arabian Nights).

 

[mcgameboy]

With respect to the OP (he is a fellow Norn Iron-er after all), all I can say (as someone who has never played NetEnt slots) is this.....

I'm sure quite a few people know I was quite a big fan of Chopley's vids (where he "took on" 4 slots simultaneously).

Of all the vids I was fortunate enough to watch, two of them focused on NetEnt slots.

Guess what?

He walked away with a profit both times.
He did it using absolute min or double the absolute min bets.
He is NOT from Scandanavia.

Some people win, some people lose. If you play games that don't deliver the goods for you, then vote with your wallet. Stop playing them. Pick something else to play where luck has been "a bit more on your side". I think Avalon II looks great, has great big win potential and has a nice variety of bonus rounds, and I did have some "joy" on it, but it killed my bankroll too often for my liking, so I don't play it now...at all.

No one is holding a gun to your head and telling you to play NetEnt or else your brains are gonna get splattered over said gunman's clothing. YOU have the power to choose. Make your choice...and make it a wiser one. Playing the same slot that never pays out when you play it is just like flogging a dead horse. It makes me wonder....did you hit big on Vile Torture the first time you played it, only to have never hit on it since? Good performance in the past is no guarantee of future success.

I don't understand your "attraction" to Vile Torture anyway. It looks shit, boring and tight as fuck (pardon my lingo).

And I don't think the insinuation that "Nordics/Swedes always win" is fair either. They are just as enthusiastic with their love of gambling as the Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Russians, Irish and Brits. So it really should not come as a shock that they get their fair share of the big wins, should it?