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How many gamblers is it in each casino?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Tirilej, Jan 6, 2012.

    Jan 6, 2012
  1. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    I have always wondered how many people there are playing online every time I play, and how many deposits and how many just sign up for a nd to not ever play there again. A lot of those kind of questions, so maybe it's time to find out:)
    Is there anywhere I can find any statistics or is that kind of information secret?

    I never watch tv much but tonight I did and MrGreen said in an ad that they had 400 000 members:eek2:
    That is a lot! If everyone of those made just one deposit a month, think of all that money:oops:
    Some casinos are doing really well, like 32Red and some can't pay their bills and just disappears.

    Does anyone have a clue?
     
  2. Jan 6, 2012
  3. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

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    Good question, I wonder that myself sometimes. I am specifically interested in how many people may be playing at one time. Someone just stating how many members they have could be inaccurate, afterall a lot of people may sign up and may never play or may sign up just for a free chip.
     
  4. Jan 6, 2012
  5. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

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    Depends on the casino, really :eek2:

    The actual figures are kind of an industry ::secret:: ...you wouldn't believe how hard it was to figure them out when we were looking for investors. Just to give you a ballpark, figure that under 1% of signups will deposit, and you lose about half your depositors every month, meaning they don't come back and deposit again. That doesn't cover poker and it doesn't account for all kinds of things. Some casinos have a much higher rate of repeat players, like I think 3Dice does. We have a much higher deposit rate, about 5-7x normal, because we're in a niche market. Whether or not players are actually hanging around looking for a game depends on what kind of multiplayer action there is, and if there's a game to play at all. The regulars check in every day or two, and you know they're gone when they're gone.
     
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  6. Jan 6, 2012
  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    I was starting comparing casinos with different forums, but I think I make a thread just for that instead:p

    I understand that it's different softwares, different laws for gambling, people in different places on earth have a differnt income....and everything you said Jstrike:p
    400 000 members at MrGeen and maybe only 400 of those are actually regularly depositors, can that be true?

    So how many have Virtuals and how many depositors where lost when US went out from the market?
    I believe I have too many questions for my own good:rolleyes:
     
  8. Jan 6, 2012
  9. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

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    Roughly 75% potential depositors are in the US. Are you asking this from an investment point of view, or as a player?
    edit that -- I should say 75% of our potential depositors are from the US, and we have to reject them. I don't know about other casinos. Obviously this is not true for things like intercasino or sites that are specific to certain countries.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2012
  11. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    75% sounds like an awful high number.
    I'm not disputing it, since I'm in no way in a position to do so, and I'm guessing you did a lot of research, but still a surprisingly high number.

    Edit ... ahh, just saw your edit ;)
     
  12. Jan 7, 2012
  13. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    As a player that is curious.
    I don't have any money for gambling so suddenly I have time over to ask a few questions I wonder about.

    There is so much in this world of gambling that I will never understand.
    The language is also a barrier, but I'm starting to overcome me being too shy to ask questions, so this is a place to start if I want to learn more.

    Do wish I had your curage. What you have done is really amazing:thumbsup:
     
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  15. jstrike

    jstrike Dormant account

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    Our market's only in Bitcoin, and a large majority of Bitcoin users are in the US. This is just based on our internal figure for hits. We block the site for US players, but we still see the majority of people trying to get to us are coming from the States. I'm sure this ratio would be all over the board, depending on how a casino markets itself and what payment methods they take. If you're a sportsbook in Costa Rica handling OKPay, you've probably got 90% US players. If you're casino.dk, you'd have none...
     
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  16. Jan 7, 2012
  17. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    If I change the question a little and just go after that ad from MrGree. Since they can say they have 400 000 people that have signed up to their casino, isn't it possible to get just that data from somewhere?
    Just how many sign ups?

    I don't know if MrGreen is a small, big or a huge casino. Does anyone know?
    If they can say it, then others should be able to without revealing any secrets.

    In Sweden there isn't any chance for lying about that kind of number in an ad so I do believe that
    that number of sign-ups is correct.
     
  18. Jan 7, 2012
  19. Smokeycasino

    Smokeycasino Experienced Member

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    There should be a spot showing the number of players currently playing like the poker sites do, so I can get a better feeling.

    I also wonder why they don't show it in the lobby somewhere...
     
  20. Jan 7, 2012
  21. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    In the early days many casinos did have a counter of how many were online playing at any given time. I used to gauge my play with those players numbers. It worked well for me back then. But that disappeared for some unknown reason.


     
  22. Jan 7, 2012
  23. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    The number of people playing makes no difference to your chances of winning.

    Any perceived advantage is just that - perception - and has no basis in fact.

    It's equivalent to following the slot temperature in MGS casinos I.e. a waste of time. Unless you keep records of every session, there is no way of telling if your results were better in the long run, and even if they were it would be about right slot at the right time and nothing to do with who else was playing.

    The whole thing is total fantasy.
     
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  24. Jan 7, 2012
  25. jstrike

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    True. Except for the people running the casino. I can only speak for my company, but we measure where we want to be by the average number of concurrent players around the clock. It's also how we figure out how much to spend on server resources and overhead, and how much we need to keep available for instant withdrawals. Something around 5 concurrents would be a good number, that's about when I could quit my day job and hire a full time employee. Around 50 concurrents I could buy a jet. It's nowhere near 5 right now. But I do show it on the site anyway.

    If you look carefully at pokerscout's live figures, and compare them to what poker rooms say they have in terms of players, and get your hands on some annual reports from full tilt or stars a couple years back, you can kind of figure out a ratio between what they're saying, what they really have, and how much they're BSing. We did a pretty full analysis of that.

    What you really want to know is the other number. How much does the average player drop in an hour at a particular casino. It's about speed of play and RTP. Interestingly it's usually about the same for a poker rake as it is for house games. Once you know that, go find their annual report online if they're public, and compare how much they make per player, per hour, to their gross income. Then you'll know how many people they really have online, on average.
     
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  27. threescatters

    threescatters Dormant account PABnonaccred

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    Good questions OP.

    I have often wondered as I sit infront of my computer having a session playing slots or 3 card poker or whatever how many other people are logged in doing the same thing. Is there a mega hi roller betting 20k a hand of blackjack? Has someone just scooped a 5 figure win on slots? Is the casino killing alll the regs that night? I would love for figures to be displayed in the lobby of how many people are logged in playing. And I dont mean for the whole microgaming/playtech/whatever network, I mean so you could see how many people are playing at 32red and how many at red flush etc etc. Guess im just being a bit nosy!
     
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  29. P.V.

    P.V. Senior Member webmeister

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    Good point Nifty, shouldn't matter if there's 1 or 1000 online playing. :thumbsup:
     
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  31. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

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    Casinos not wanting to post amount of players in real time on their sites; I think would be to stop the superstitious players that believe too many or not enough of players will alter their sessions and not play, looking elsewhere to satisfy their beliefs. Good gamblers that play a lot have a lot of niches. Of course the amount of players being public really doesn't matter with a poker room.

    Besides small casinos would rather you think their bigger then they actually are, and the huge public ones have enough customers that they really don't care one way or the other.
     
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  32. Jan 7, 2012
  33. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Thanks for all the replies so far. Hopefully there will be some more specific answers, but probably not no..:)

    To sum it up I think we could say that we will never find out the real answer, since it's something that could hurt at least the small casinos.
    What we do know is that it probably is almost the same amount of people registering in all of the casinos, since most people have done like me. Started with signing up for the rogue casinos, learned their lesson and went over to sign up for all the others.
    At least that will go for all the casinos that allows people from US to sign up.
    The casinos only allowing "the rest" to sign up will probably have around the same amount that MrGreen have.
    I was only thinking of sign-ups now. The rest is probably a long way, at least for me, to even start to understand a tiny bit of:p
     
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  35. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Interesting you should input and state in your reply to something that wasn't said and read what you wanted into what actually was said. I knew you would. You didn't fail me once again. The statement I made was
    Doesn't everyone? Does no one walk up to a slot and pop in a twenty, pull the handle/push the button a few times and decide to stay or leave? Isn't this part of gauging how you will be playing? Not win, not lose, no percieved advantage...just MY PLAY. How this came to the statement you made of the chances of winning and a fantasy...I have no idea....I was also speaking of casinos..not poker rooms...there you know the numbers online and in a room.

    .
     
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  36. Jan 7, 2012
  37. Smokeycasino

    Smokeycasino Experienced Member

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    Thank you.

    Can I have my thank you button back so I don't have to quote?
     
  38. Jan 7, 2012
  39. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    You said you "gauge your play" on the number of players in the casino and it "worked quite well for you". The logical definition of "gauge your play based on the number of players" is that you decide whether you will play or not based on how many others ate online I.e. you believe that the more players online, the better your chances.

    "Gauging" anything to do with your play or results using number of players is as pointless as it is irrelevant. I would hate to think some newbie read your post and believed that such things matter.....as it IS complete fantasy. If any newbies are reading this.....you'd be better off buying a rabbits foot and throwing salt over your shoulder than using the number of players online to dictate your play.

    Also, if you "knew what I would say" then you KNOW that what YOU said had no basis in fact.....otherwise I wouldn't be disputing it, and you wouldn't EXPECT me to.

    If you have a different meaning for your comments, then I'm all ears. Otherwise, I reiterate what I said originally.....it is total fantasy. No you didn't say "I believe that the number of players online affects my chances" but you must believe it to a fair extent if you're going to "base/gauge" your play decisions on it. It's your call if you want to believe that, but don't try and step around by denying the crux of your opinion/statement. I would respect you more if you logically explained the reasons for your opinion, rather than backing away from it when challenged.

    You're entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to dispute it if it isn't based on fact.

    @smokeycasino - the post you're thanking contains personal insults. Maybe you could clarify exactly what you agree with?
     

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