Poll How abnormal is “make deposit” in order to withdraw winnings?

[maxd]

One of the things the PAB team has seen a sharp rise in recently is players not happy that they are being asked by some casinos to deposit $£#50, $£#100, or more in order to “release your winnings”. These are often regular winnings, not winnings from free spins or NDBs. And some casinos are even asking for a repeat deposit.

To us in the Complaints area this seems totally bogus. True, occasionally a casino will ask for a small deposit — $£#20-ish, at most — in order to see the money trail and satisfy their Risk departments but we think these increased payment requests are just a scam to get more of player’s money. Before we issue a General Warning about this we wanted to see what the community had to say on the subject.

 

[goatwack]

I recall having earned a chunky amount a while back and one of the T&Cs indicating that a prior deposit of eg £20 needed to have been made at the site to essentially validate the winnings, albeit not giving any timeframe as to when.

I'd imagine some may prefer the payment so that they have a 'link' in which to just pay you and be done with it, ie Paypal and suchlike. Yet again though, in this instance I'd either already made a previous deposit, or splurged £20 on some nondescript slots just to be on the safe side. And voila! they paid!

It's not as nefarious as it might appear on initial view, but by and large, most casinos of reputable standing wouldn't directly ask for this, and certainly not repeatedly. I'd imagine the ones that do are somewhat shady, employing what amounts to blackmail, and essentially paywalling your own funds!

What will these cream-faced loons think of next!

 

[mulven]

In my time in Canada (which is where the largest percentage of my online gambling in my lifetime was done) I have only ever been asked for additional deposits to enable alternative withdrawal methods, to create a loop. Mostly to enable interac after using only card deposits but occasionally Mifinity/jeton

Not once have I ever been asked to deposit to "unlock" a withdrawal or verify it.

The deposit used to fund the win already exist!

 

[Guntis]

If i were asked to make a deposit to get paid, that would be the last deposit i'd make at that casino.

My logic is simple:

- Why play at a casino that asks for deposits, excessive docs, etc when you can play safely at one that doesn't?
- Why play at a slow-paying casino (e.g., with 12h payouts) when you can play where they pay in minutes?
- Why play at a casino with capped bonuses and withdrawal limits when you can play where there are none?
- Why play at a casino with lowered slot RTPs when you can play where the return is more favorable?

And so on.

 

[conker]

Absolutely crazy to hear this practice is going on. Sounds tantamount to bribery to get your money back.

 

[Jono777]

Small deposit to register a payment method fine, small deposit to withdraw a ND or bonus winnings, fine.

This, no way!

Would be interesting to know what happened if anyone complied with this and if they got their winnings / full balance back or this led to another "hoop" to jump through.

 

[L&L-Jan]

ow i miss voted, didnt notice the value of the deposit required.

No thats a red flag.

Tiny deposit to conduct a closed loop with the withdrawal and on to the next customer. Anything above min deposit within the casino is not done imo

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

ow i miss voted, didnt notice the value of the deposit required.

No thats a red flag.

Tiny deposit to conduct a closed loop with the withdrawal and on to the next customer. Anything above min deposit within the casino is not done imo

Surely that’s only applicable for no deposit bonuses though and Max mentioned that wasn’t the case? Why would anyone insist on another deposit if already closed loop?

 

[mulven]

Surely that’s only applicable for no deposit bonuses though and Max mentioned that wasn’t the case? Why would anyone insist on another deposit if already closed loop?

Back in canada when I deposited with card I needed to open a new loop with interac at most sites, some just let me withdraw without ever using interac to deposit, though.

 

[blott78]

Has anyone ever played at wise casino if anyone has did they have any problems cashing out there winnings

 

[mulven]

Has anyone ever played at wise casino if anyone has did they have any problems cashing out there winnings

Do you mean Weiss?

EDIT:
Given the influx or recent people posting about websites that are part of this scam, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's the one in the picture

Fraud Alert Thread 'BEWARE: Hundreds of identical fake scam casinos, AVOID!'

Dec 18, 2024

After posts were made about Betstakez, GoldenMirage and now Cryptostakez. I thought I would look into it a bit and its worse than I first thought.

There are probably more than 200 identical scam new online casino websites luring players in to steal their deposits.

I believe the scam goes like this:

1. Give player large No-Deposit Bonus.
2. Player plays fake versions of slots that are guaranteed to win huge
3. Players have to deposit money to "verify" and withdraw their winnings
4. Players deposit money and then are never able to withdraw.

This scam is...

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• casino warnings fake slots scam casinos
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• Forum: Online Casinos

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[sufferinsilence]

I remember at a Belgian casino a couple of years ago to verify my Paypal account they'd take a "deposit" of €1 and immediately put it back on the account after. Less of a PITA than having to take screenshots for sure.

This seems very scammy tho.

 

[L&L-Jan]

Surely that’s only applicable for no deposit bonuses though and Max mentioned that wasn’t the case? Why would anyone insist on another deposit if already closed loop?

yes no deposit and unknown player with no activity before.

 

[maxd]

Thanks everyone, you have confirmed what I had guessed: any casino asking for sizeable deposits as described is either getting the player to fund their own withdrawal or is outright scamming the player. I will post a Casinomeister Warning to alert readers to this underhanded practice.

- Max

 

[ericodapro]

Banking Apps like Paypal or CashApp confirm with a transfer of .03 cents. Anything more is purely a scam

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Happend to me once years ago I had to depo to withdrawn ££ from free spins on welcome offer, but I withdrawn the winnings and the deposit with no issue. Im assuming it was cause there was no payment method on my account. but this was the minium £10 depo. Anything larger would of been red flags and just plain wrong

 

[geordiecolin]

I recall when I first started playing online slots-and before finding Casinomeister- I sought out all websites that advertised free spins on sign up casinos and went through their lists to sign up for any free spins I could find to try to take advantage of. I viewed it as fun and free gameplay. When you manage to sign up and be able to withdraw real £$ it was a buzz.
Sometimes it was a real chore to recieve those winnings and sometimes it was impossible. Then there where casinos who insisted that you deposited and played through that deposit at least once before being able to withdraw your balance only to find the deposit very quickly deminish. Sometimes the deposit was attached to a bonus with harsh playthrough terms that leaves you with very little hope of freeing your initial win before busting out.

Then I found this site and found It best to just stick to the guard rails provided by Casinomeister's accredited casinos.

 

[Glunn11]

Agreed with @geordiecolin. It's standard, isn't it, for no deposit bonuses? But there's absolutely been an uptick in scam sites pulling this trick with fake slots: they give you free spins on slots set above 100% RTP so you're pretty much guaranteed to win something, then they demand a deposit and steal your money.

Genuine sites' no deposit bonuses are hard to win on!

I would not even bother with a non-accredited casino offer these days because there's just so, so many damn casinos that are shady now. And honestly it's kind of weird to me that new sites are continuing to crop up every day; like, putting my business degree hat on, are we seriously not in the maturity phase of the online casino industry yet? Surely at some point soon there will be a die-off and only the strongest sites will continue to be profitable, as is the case with pretty much any corporate industry.

 

[casius]

Has anyone every played at pg7sta I'm asked to deposit in order to withdraw.. the reason I'm asking is because I won't a large amount, if it's not big I'd just skip it

 

[Webzcas]

It is a scam, you have won nothing. The site is trying to rinse you for money. No reputable casino will ask you to make a deposit before you are able to withdraw.

 

[andysbetting1187]

Personally I think a small amount (e.g. £1 - £10) is acceptable and would not have an issue doing it at a UK casino if I had never deposited there before (for the money trail) - any more than this is not going to happen and would send alarm bells off

@L&L-Jan - I know ABC (and a couple of others so not singling you out) offer the option to provide banking details/link to UK bank account. Just out of curiosity, is this to verify the banking information to prevent having to ask for an initial deposit or just a quicker way of conducting verficiation (I was happy to do it when asked as Itrust ABC etc. so no major drama, just curious)

 

[L&L-Jan]

Personally I think a small amount (e.g. £1 - £10) is acceptable and would not have an issue doing it at a UK casino if I had never deposited there before (for the money trail) - any more than this is not going to happen and would send alarm bells off

@L&L-Jan - I know ABC (and a couple of others so not singling you out) offer the option to provide banking details/link to UK bank account. Just out of curiosity, is this to verify the banking information to prevent having to ask for an initial deposit or just a quicker way of conducting verficiation (I was happy to do it when asked as Itrust ABC etc. so no major drama, just curious)

its easier for players, just login, provide consent. Instead of downloading the statements and provide that via various channels.

furthermore all transactions are categorised, so when provided we can automatically split transactions:
- recurring income
- non recurring income
- committed expenses
- essential expesenss
- loans/repayments
- taxes
- gifts/donations out/in
- savings/investments
- gambling insides (deps/withdrawals)
- sum deposits
- sum withdrawals

This gives our agents an instant overview and easy to observe financial situation and therefore pinpoint disposable income. Therefore statements have not to be analysed in detail and as a result the verification goes much faster vs a manual review.

Also this is easier to manage in a role based access control setup. So only relevant agents have access to the information.

 

[justdoit]

on fake scam casinos I login with fake name VPN on and ask for free money to test casino before I make deposit, most of the time it works

 

[casius]

It is a scam, you have won nothing. The site is trying to rinse you for money. No reputable casino will ask you to make a deposit before you are able to withdraw.

But what if my initial play was using their free credit for new user? I've not deposited any money before

 

[maxd]

FWIW we are aware that after an NDB most casinos are asking players to deposit before taking further bonuses, in other words no consecutive free bonuses without a deposit. Obviously a similar, but slightly different, situation.

- Max

 

[casius]

Anyone know where I can check if the operator is legit or not? The site is pg7sta it looks too simple to be true actually

 

[Starter4Ten]

I can't imagine why you would need to make a deposit to withdraw winnings. Any bonus I've received including FS have come after making a deposit and wagering it through once.

 

[casius]

That's what I thought but I read that there's some cases where they have to deposit after winning using NDB like in my case I got a NDB.

 

[paul7388]

That's what I thought but I read that there's some cases where they have to deposit after winning using NDB like in my case I got a NDB.

How much did they ask you to deposit. Seems that scam sites are asking people to deposit loads and the mugs are actually doing it then giving them even more.

Where as a legitimate site will also often ask for a deposit to withdraw winnings if no payment method had been used. Difference is they would ask for a minimum deposit amount just to validate the payment method. Normally something like £10 or whatever the minimum deposit is.

So if this site is asking you for something like a £100 then it should be clear to you they are ripping you off.

 

[casius]

They asked for USDT 20. I'm hoping not to be scammed even if it's $10 or whatever the amount is.

 

[maxd]

FWIW that doesn’t sound like what the scammer sites are doing. They are asking for hundreds — or more! — whereas legitimate sites might ask for a modest deposit like that in order to help verify the player’s identity, deposit method etc.

- Max

 

[casius]

Can someone enter the site and test it as I'm very new in this and I won 300k there unsure if it's legit or not. I'd love to give a good tip to whoever that helps me in this matter, if I'm able to withdraw

 

[casius]

Can someone enter the site and test it as I'm very new in this and I won 300k there unsure if it's legit or not. I'd love to give a good tip to whoever that helps me in this matter, if I'm able to withdraw

Pg7star

 

[justdoit]

Pg7sta

you cant post links of casino

 

[casius]

I'm sorry I didn't know

 

[paul7388]

Can someone enter the site and test it as I'm very new in this and I won 300k there unsure if it's legit or not. I'd love to give a good tip to whoever that helps me in this matter, if I'm able to withdraw

Well if its 300k from a no deposit I think you can say it's not legitimate.

And even if it was a real site and u had been incredibly lucky you would find it has a max withdrawal from a no deposit bonus. Also to win that amount you probably bet over max allowed as well.

If its legit you might be able to cash out something but won't be 300k that's for sure.

 

[maxd]

I agree 100%. Between the dodgy casino name — they crank those things out by the 100s — and the extraordinary “winnings” @paul7388 has rightly flagged this as highly suspicious.

I’ve just taken a quick look at the casino’s home page: no license of any kind mentioned, Terms not readily accessible, no contact information given, some of the graphics look like they’ve just been cut and pasted … my verdict would be .

- Max

 

[casius]

Thanks guys.. I won't wanna waste my time on it then..not even for $10

 

[Brian8]

If i were asked to make a deposit to get paid, that would be the last deposit i'd make at that casino.

My logic is simple:

- Why play at a casino that asks for deposits, excessive docs, etc when you can play safely at one that doesn't?
- Why play at a slow-paying casino (e.g., with 12h payouts) when you can play where they pay in minutes?
- Why play at a casino with capped bonuses and withdrawal limits when you can play where there are none?
- Why play at a casino with lowered slot RTPs when you can play where the return is more favorable?

And so on.

This is spot on

 

[Brian8]

Slotsdynamite7 had a policy that you must deposit 250percent of your withdrawal.

I've seen many more online casinos with this type of policy.
It's a rip off the casino's who do this are just greedy and customers won't have it when there mate more places to play without all the hassles and scams

 

[dunover]

Slotsdynamite7 had a policy that you must deposit 250percent of your withdrawal.

I've seen many more online casinos with this type of policy.
It's a rip off the casino's who do this are just greedy and customers won't have it when there mate more places to play without all the hassles and scams

That is typical of scam casinos. No decent site would have a term like this. It's like saying to the player that they can never be ahead, even when they are. Ridiculous.

 

[abuerta]

Has anyone used Kozedex *snip* a blockchain-based crypto casino? I believe it is a scam as it asks players to make a 60 US dollar deposit to verify the account. Then to withdraw your money, a 150 dollar deposit has to be made to confirm bank account ownership, and lastly a 500 dollar deposit to solve a AML error. According to them, that last deposit is the last condition for players to have access to their fund for withdrawal. However, when opening their account, players are not informed of any of these deposits prior to money withdrawal.

 

[dunover]

Has anyone used Kozedex *snip* a blockchain-based crypto casino? I believe it is a scam as it asks players to make a 60 US dollar deposit to verify the account. Then to withdraw your money, a 150 dollar deposit has to be made to confirm bank account ownership, and lastly a 500 dollar deposit to solve a AML error. According to them, that last deposit is the last condition for players to have access to their fund for withdrawal. However, when opening their account, players are not informed of any of these deposits prior to money withdrawal.

100% scam. Run away, fast.

 

[abuerta]

100% scam. Run away, fast.

Thanks!!

 

[Quasi404]

I agree 100%. Between the dodgy casino name — they crank those things out by the 100s — and the extraordinary “winnings” @paul7388 has rightly flagged this as highly suspicious.

I’ve just taken a quick look at the casino’s home page: no license of any kind mentioned, Terms not readily accessible, no contact information given, some of the graphics look like they’ve just been cut and pasted … my verdict would be .

- Max

Can you peek at Uproll (dot) world? Over the last month I'm up like 26k even if i can't cash that I'm good with the rakeback lol. I started with a NDB it had license info, partnerships etc. Ive been trying to track any more info i can out of them seems ok so far but they want $100 to activate the account. Not quite a deposit to withdrawl

 

[dunover]

Can you peek at Uproll (dot) world? Over the last month I'm up like 26k even if i can't cash that I'm good with the rakeback lol. I started with a NDB it had license info, partnerships etc. Ive been trying to track any more info i can out of them seems ok so far but they want $100 to activate the account. Not quite a deposit to withdrawl

Scam, 100% with bogus seals and licences etc. It's one of these, don't pay the shysters a cent:

Fraud Alert Thread 'BEWARE: Hundreds of identical fake scam casinos, AVOID!'

Dec 18, 2024

After posts were made about Betstakez, GoldenMirage and now Cryptostakez. I thought I would look into it a bit and its worse than I first thought.

There are probably more than 200 identical scam new online casino websites luring players in to steal their deposits.

I believe the scam goes like this:

1. Give player large No-Deposit Bonus.
2. Player plays fake versions of slots that are guaranteed to win huge
3. Players have to deposit money to "verify" and withdraw their winnings
4. Players deposit money and then are never able to withdraw.

This scam is...

• mulven
• casino warnings fake slots scam casinos
• Replies: 125
• Forum: Online Casinos

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• 
• 

 

[Quasi404]

Scam, 100% with bogus seals and licences etc. It's one of these, don't pay the shysters a cent:

Fraud Alert Thread 'BEWARE: Hundreds of identical fake scam casinos, AVOID!'

Dec 18, 2024

After posts were made about Betstakez, GoldenMirage and now Cryptostakez. I thought I would look into it a bit and its worse than I first thought.

There are probably more than 200 identical scam new online casino websites luring players in to steal their deposits.

I believe the scam goes like this:

1. Give player large No-Deposit Bonus.
2. Player plays fake versions of slots that are guaranteed to win huge
3. Players have to deposit money to "verify" and withdraw their winnings
4. Players deposit money and then are never able to withdraw.

This scam is...

• mulven
• casino warnings fake slots scam casinos
• Replies: 125
• Forum: Online Casinos

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• 
• 

Thank you.

 

[realynn1991]

I just want everyone to know be careful of this casino game "WINFINITY SLOTS". The reason I'm saying this is because I won 300 dollars and they won't cash me out UNLESS I PAY 20% FIRST!! I told them just take it out of the 300. But they want it before I cash out.. It's just not right. And I don't want anybody else to get screwed.