Has anybody EVER had a MAX WIN off Tome Of Madness???

[IrvDaGrinder]

With Tome Of Madness apparently having only a 2000x max win i am staggered to find that there is no evidence of this ANYWHERE! I personally have never come close to a max win on anything EVER but after playing 100s of 1000s of spins through TOM I genuinely don't think a MW is achievable...how would you even get it? Youtube shows some decent wins but they're more about the spin cost than the actual x value, a 5k win on a £50 spin is still only 100x....thoughts..or proof

 

[Kroffe]

There are some wins in the 500-1000x range on youtube, but you need a lot of stars to align if you want to hit the max win.
PnG have many slots where the odds of hitting a max win is so small its basically impossible, wouldnt be a one in a million hit, more like 1 in several billions.

Edit: found some numbers for Reactoonz, the original Reactoonz has a max win of 4,570.3x bet with odds at 1: 3.19076E-11 or 1:319 billion spins compared to 5,083x on Reactoonz 2 with odds at 1:3,700 trillion spins.

 

[spoo42]

Biggest win ive ever seen on tome i think is around 300-400x and that was through vs battles as I wont play it for real money

Im not sure as for other playngo games, but for max wins, the only one i know that does pop up in videos and im sure ive seen pics/posts in here of people having max 5000x win on book of dead. Could bod be one of the few that does hit it? Ive had a 2400x myself , biggest wins outside of that ive had on playngo is probably around 1000x ive had a number of times on a variety of playngo games.

 

[jasonuk]

With Tome Of Madness apparently having only a 2000x max win i am staggered to find that there is no evidence of this ANYWHERE! I personally have never come close to a max win on anything EVER but after playing 100s of 1000s of spins through TOM I genuinely don't think a MW is achievable...how would you even get it? Youtube shows some decent wins but they're more about the spin cost than the actual x value, a 5k win on a £50 spin is still only 100x....thoughts..or proof

Old-school providers do things differently - either there isn't a win cap in the first place (just a liability limit - such as £250k), or it's set high enough that it'll require a lot of rare things to align.

As far as scratchcard slots (i.e. scripted game rounds) go, PlayNGo are at the tamer end of the spectrum - so it's focusing on those middle wins (50x, 100x, 250x) instead of the monster pays.

PlayNGo are one of the providers I tend to ignore the "win up to..." because it's not relevant to gameplay - although you will see plenty of evidence of wins of 10% that amount which seems to be a more natural "win up to..." level.

Edit: found some numbers for Reactoonz, the original Reactoonz has a max win of 4,570.3x bet with odds at 1: 3.19076E-11 or 1:319 billion spins compared to 5,083x on Reactoonz 2 with odds at 1:3,700 trillion spins.

Wow, I expected it to be rare, but not that rare - that puts it 100 and 1000 times rarer than an Avalon 2 full screen.

To put that into context... you would expect to see 2.1m Bonus Buy Parody win caps before you saw a Reactoonz one...

Could bod be one of the few that does hit it?

I would say it's down to the design of the games - Book of Dead is reel-based so would be constrained by reel volatility. You'd need a bonus, then the explorer, then five reel expansion in any of those 10+ spins.

For something like Rise of Olympus or Moon Princess, you would need multiple full screens to occur - depending on the exact implementation of a scratchcard slot (balls in the bag), you may need to repeatedly pull that jackpot ball out of the bag... which is where big odds turn astronomical very quickly.

As with all slot design, it depends with the RTP is - PlayNGo put almost nothing in those 1000x+ wins, other providers like Push Gaming and NLC pandering to streamers and bonus buys may put 20%+.

 

[kou187]

Couldn't think of a shitter game to try and get a max win on!

 

[satchnz]

There are some wins in the 500-1000x range on youtube, but you need a lot of stars to align if you want to hit the max win.
PnG have many slots where the odds of hitting a max win is so small its basically impossible, wouldnt be a one in a million hit, more like 1 in several billions.

Edit: found some numbers for Reactoonz, the original Reactoonz has a max win of 4,570.3x bet with odds at 1: 3.19076E-11 or 1:319 billion spins compared to 5,083x on Reactoonz 2 with odds at 1:3,700 trillion spins.

You have named all the reasons why I play neither Tome nor any PnG slot.

 

[IrvDaGrinder]

Couldn't think of a shitter game to try and get a max win on!

Its always my go to game if I'm looking for an easy(?) Bonus to top me up 100x....

 

[Jono777]

One of THE WORST games ever made, never understand why ANYONE would play this for real money*

*Which is why it used to be seen every other week in VS Battle of Slots

 

[Avernite]

I'm strangely addicted to the game (likely put about 100k spins into it) and have managed a max of about 800x before. It's one of those games where you can hit a lot of 50-250x wins in succession, but it can go dry as hell too.

Tome of insanity is more fun imo with higher potential.

 

[dealer wins]

With Tome Of Madness apparently having only a 2000x max win i am staggered to find that there is no evidence of this ANYWHERE! I personally have never come close to a max win on anything EVER but after playing 100s of 1000s of spins through TOM I genuinely don't think a MW is achievable...how would you even get it? Youtube shows some decent wins but they're more about the spin cost than the actual x value, a 5k win on a £50 spin is still only 100x....thoughts..or proof

For some reason I really like this game, and the sequel.

Never had a win over 200x, and played easily over 50000 spins probably twice that!

If you play the 96% version it does give you decent gameplay, and some reasonable wins.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Give it to Chops.

He’ll produce the goods within a session or 2.

 

[Reelsoffun]

NO

 

[lockinlove]

There are some wins in the 500-1000x range on youtube, but you need a lot of stars to align if you want to hit the max win.
PnG have many slots where the odds of hitting a max win is so small its basically impossible, wouldnt be a one in a million hit, more like 1 in several billions.

Edit: found some numbers for Reactoonz, the original Reactoonz has a max win of 4,570.3x bet with odds at 1: 3.19076E-11 or 1:319 billion spins compared to 5,083x on Reactoonz 2 with odds at 1:3,700 trillion spins.

Is this for real? Those type of odds on just a 4000x hit? Wow.

I wonder what the odds are on prags to hit those. I thought I read its wayyyyyyyyyyyy less.

 

[Kroffe]

Is this for real? Those type of odds on just a 4000x hit? Wow.

I wonder what the odds are on prags to hit those. I thought I read its wayyyyyyyyyyyy less.

As far as i know it is, to be fair i did find the numbers in one of my old posts, but looking at that thread again i see Harry (that i got the numbers from) posted the same thing.
Pretty sure he had access to gamesheets and stuff.

Reactoonz 2, gameplay&Garga. - Page 2 - Casinomeister Forum

 

[satchnz]

If you play the 96% version it does give you decent gameplay, and some reasonable wins.

In this day and age with incredibly volatile slots this is probably a fair reason to like Tome.

 

[Itaghai]

You are more likely to win a lottery like euromillions than a max win on PnG.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Give it to Chops.

He’ll produce the goods within a session or 2.

I don't mind PnGs but VS have them all at 94 now so they're off the list.

 

[Lemon]

*mute*

 

[slot_zombie]

Afaik the only max wins on P&G slots captured on YouTube are BOD, Gigantoonz (one) and KISS (one).

But we don't play these slots for max wins, unlike other providers. I do quite like some of their games.

 

[jasonuk]

Is this for real? Those type of odds on just a 4000x hit? Wow.

I wonder what the odds are on prags to hit those. I thought I read its wayyyyyyyyyyyy less.

As said, different design philosophy, so different way of calculating the curve.

Scratchcard slots (scripted balls-in-the-bag) can be extremely precise in their volatility - so if a provider wants to put 5%, 20%, 50% in those big wins... they can. The race to the bottom ensued, and one-in-a-billion shots became 100m, 50m, 20m, 5m, 1.6m, and now as low as 150k with Bonus Buy Parody.

More traditional slot design (reel-based, and to a lesser extent multi-phase scratchcard slots) have an extremely long tail to the volatility - and that's considering one spin rather than one game round (respins, bonus rounds etc). So the odds of hitting a traditional "win up to" (one spin) will be tens or hundreds of millions into low billions - as expected.

The problem is when people translate that to "max win" streamer language, because it makes no sense. Immortal Romance would be beyond 1 in a googol (100 zeroes) - because you would need a bonus, then 25 full screens of Sarah. The difference is Immortal Romance doesn't claim "win up to 250000x" or such nonsense - even though it's theoretically possible.

Contrast with a provider like Pragmatic, where you have slots like Extra Juicy ("60000x") that focus on that amount, but the curve is so off that it's probably closer to a 500x slot with a rare 1000x+ hit and a near-impossible jackpot hit (again? oh the irony). The odds may actually be in the Reactoonz 2 ballpark it is that unlikely. Newer "streamer" slots are much more top-heavy, so those numbers will be considerably lower because the focus is on max wins and bonus buys rather than the base game or having a playable slot.

That doesn't necessarily mean the slot design is bad, it means people have been warped into applying scratchcard logic to traditional games.

 

[Itaghai]

The difference is Immortal Romance doesn't claim "win up to 250000x" or such nonsense

No, they claim up to 12000x.


And that's why there is something really important that you missed.
The max win nowadays is not just for marketing but most of the times to keep the RTP within parameters by capping the max you can win.

As an example, Retro Tapes as it's right now, if it wasn't capped at 10000x the RTP would be way above 100% because the most of the max wins screens sometimes are millions times your bet size.

 

[jasonuk]

And that's why there is something really important that you missed.
The max win nowadays is not just for marketing but most of the times to keep the RTP within parameters by capping the max you can win.

As an example, Retro Tapes as it's right now, if it wasn't capped at 10000x the RTP would be way above 100% because the most of the max wins screens sometimes are millions times your bet size.

No I haven't... but thanks for proving my point

Old school providers use "win up to..." as a guide, not as a win cap. One of the few exceptions to this is PlayNGo which we learned recently does cap the win (which is weird when the odds are so astronomical in the first place).

For commercial reasons, those providers use a liability limit (e.g. £250k) - which means if you play at a sufficiently large stake (e.g. £20+) then you are lowering your RTP very slightly (less than 0.1%).

For a complex reel-based slot, the RTP and "win up to" are not precise anyway - it's an approximation based on the observation of e.g. 10 billion spins. This means that providers can, based on actual data, revise their marketing with higher observed wins - as has happened in the case of Lil Devil (50000x "win up to" became 100504x).

In the second example you provide, this is a scratchcard slot where the game round is scripted from start to finish. There is no need for them to invent such astronomical wins and then apply a win cap - it's a deceptive commercial decision, and arguably fraud.

 

[Itaghai]

In the second example you provide, this is a scratchcard slot where the game round is scripted from start to finish

All of them are, if you open the developer tools and check the network tab, you have the results before the bonus starts, even the games like Cubes from hacksaw where you pick random cubes, everything is already decided.

The only one that every spin or cascade that goes back to the server and comes back with a response are pragmatic games, however, if you play the same slot enough times you will start to learn the reels patterns.

The slot games simply land in a random number per reel that defines the position of each reel, from there the backend just does the calculations.

 

[jasonuk]

All of them are, if you open the developer tools and check the network tab, you have the results before the bonus starts, even the games like Cubes from hacksaw where you pick random cubes, everything is already decided.

The only one that every spin or cascade that goes back to the server and comes back with a response are pragmatic games, however, if you play the same slot enough times you will start to learn the reels patterns.

The slot games simply land in a random number per reel that defines the position of each reel, from there the backend just does the calculations.

Many old-school providers used round trips for bonus round spins, because those games were developed in an era where bandwidth (whether computer-based in the 2000s, or mobile-based in the 2010s) was limited. Some of them were also known to use genuine picks and had the maths model to back it up - but that seems to have gone out of fashion with regulation in recent years.


A true reel-based slot will have one RNG call per reel. For subsequent spins (such as a bonus), depending on the network code will determine whether that data is sent in advance or when the player requests the next spin. The key part is one RNG call per reel or action - which means a bonus could have in excess of 100 RNG requests, and the "pool" of all possible results exceeds 1 googol - which is why the testing is capped to say 1 billion or 10 billion spins.

A scratchcard slot has no such randomness - you have one RNG call to pick the ball from the bag, and that game result will be played out to you. Any "just missed", any "picks" or any other behaviour is fake because the script - not RNG - has already decided how the round proceeds.

This is why Jammin Jars caused such an uproar at launch because streamers started getting the same scripts from the rather meagre pool of results (less than 2 million combinations) - and players rightly got suspicious. It's also why the hilarious "overpays" (in subsequent titles) are dishonest, because the script has been designed to do that with no intention of paying it.

 

[IrvDaGrinder]

Games with a pick like Secret of the Stones for example really wind me up as you know that these picks are scripted, it doesn't matter which 3/4/5 you pick it was always going to be the same ones. Them god awful big bass games are the same if you're gonna pick the boot 1st time then you'll get the boot. Online slots in general just piss me off, the trolling of teasing scatter bonuses is pointless and annoying..give me the bonus or don't!!! I genuinely miss the old fashion fruit machine where you could memorise the reels, decide whether to take the win or push the feature, get the overwhelming satisfaction of an Invincible Board...slots these days are boring. Endless dead spins with miniscule bonuses. I'm beginning to think I'd rather buy a full pack of scratchcards as you're guaranteed to get at least 50% of your cash back !!