Guess Who's Cashout Terms Include a 15X WR On All Deposits

bernynhel · Jul 24, 2009

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Rusty · Jul 24, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">I don't know but it seems the Casinos have learned a new trick to deny payouts.<br /> See the warning on Party Casino and then the fiasco with Casino Cubed.<br /> 2XWR on a deposit is plenty enough.<br /> 5x or more is a scam.</div>

cynthial · Jul 24, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">Absurd, simply absurd. They don't deserve the title "casino". We need a new description for places like this. Something like Cachino or Fleece-ino. Do tell the name of this clip joint so me and mine can stay clear please.</div>

bernynhel · Jul 24, 2009

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chuchu59 · Jul 24, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">They live on Saturn all right. WTF? 2 weeks processing time for cashouts. Min withdrawl $100 although the max you can win on their $25 free chip is $50 and to withdraw that you have to deposit at least $50 and wager it 40 times. 15X WRs on deposits without bonuses. They dont have to worry about money laundering because there isnt going to be much to launder after wagering 15x your deposit. These have got to be some of the most predatory terms I have ever seen. It's a wonder they ever get any business.</div>

AussieDave · Jul 24, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="chuchu59" data-source="post: 310872" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=310872" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-310872">chuchu59 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> It's a wonder they ever get any business. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I'd say customers play with them until they get to do a withdrawal and then hit this brick wall.<br /> <br /> I'm just as guilty as other peeps for not read T&C's. <br /> <br /> This just brings it home to why one has to take that extra 10 - 15min to read this stuff before depositing.<br /> <br /> <br /> Cheers<br /> T</div>

bernynhel · Jul 25, 2009

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hitobito2005 · Jul 25, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">I thought Party Casino was pretty bad for encouraging more gambling ("you do not seem to have wagered enough, sir") but this just takes the piss. You wouldn't expect much more from a rogue RTG though.</div>

rockycatt · Jul 25, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">ill never load that crapper site onto my pc <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/confused.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/confused.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/mad.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-shortname=":mad:" /></div>

silkprint · Jul 26, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">Jeepers <img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/tongue.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" /></div>

Stovetopp · Jul 26, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">BEWARE!!<br /> <br /> One of the newly added accredited casino here has a 10 times initial deposit before withdrawal too...I can't remember which one because I immediately uinstalled...But it was definitely an RTG platform casino as its the only type we can play here from USA</div>

Kenny Lingus · Jul 26, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="chuchu59" data-source="post: 310872" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=310872" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-310872">chuchu59 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> They live on Saturn all right. WTF? 2 weeks processing time for cashouts. Min withdrawl $100 although the max you can win on their $25 free chip is $50 and to withdraw that you have to deposit at least $50 and wager it 40 times. 15X WRs on deposits without bonuses. They dont have to worry about money laundering because there isnt going to be much to launder after wagering 15x your deposit. These have got to be some of the most predatory terms I have ever seen. It's a wonder they ever get any business. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> What is truly a wonder is why a software provider would allow a casino using its software to operate under these BS terms. IMO, RTG software is the classic example of a whore business, period. <br /> <br /> When you see stuff like this, is it any wonder that the Virtual Group or so many of the viciously rogue casinos use RTG software?</div>

jetset · Jul 26, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">I would think this was more of an operator decision.<br /> <br /> BTW this site is owned by Saturn Gaming out of Berkshire in the UK.<br /> <br /> Other sites believed in the same ownership stable are:<br /> <br /> Athenabingo.com <br /> Aztecbingo.com <br /> Bingoisle.com <br /> Bingomalti.com <br /> Koalabingo.com <br /> Lowlimits.com <br /> Starbingo.com<br /> <br /> Not sure if they all have the same policy, but it would seem logical to assume they do.<br /> <br /> Unreal....!</div>

Rusty · Jul 26, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="jetset" data-source="post: 311073" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/forums/goto/post?id=311073" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-311073">jetset said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I would think this was more of an operator decision.<br /> <br /> BTW this site is owned by Saturn Gaming out of Berkshire in the UK.<br /> <br /> Other sites believed in the same ownership stable are:<br /> <br /> Athenabingo.com <br /> Aztecbingo.com <br /> Bingoisle.com <br /> Bingomalti.com <br /> Koalabingo.com <br /> Lowlimits.com <br /> Starbingo.com<br /> <br /> Not sure if they all have the same policy, but it would seem logical to assume they do.<br /> <br /> Unreal....! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Certainly it is an operator decision but it is up to the software providers to protect their brands.<br /> They could choose to who they sell their software and pull the license from rogue operators - if only they had ethics.</div>

jetset · Jul 27, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">That would be great in the best and most professional of worlds but unfortunately I don't think providers do too much policing of their licensees and their T&Cs. <br /> <br /> That applies particularly to RTG judging by the regular hassles that come to light on these pages.<br /> <br /> It usually has to be a pretty bad - or very public - issue for the software providers to get involved, and they would appear content to simply continue hauling in their royalties and fees rather than indulging in time-consuming patrols of their licensees' T&Cs and/or player complaint portals.<br /> <br /> They could, of course, at least watch T&C change watchdog portals like KWblue's and the PABs here to keep a regular finger on the pulse.<br /> <br /> That said, there are a few providers who will take action if specific issues are brought directly to their attention.</div>

chuchu59 · Jul 27, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">It may be just wishful thinking but recently there has been a steady stream of top-notch RTG casinos joining the fray. Is it pure coincidence or is the RTG software provider starting to come to their senses for the long haul. IMO they started off really badly with the Safebet seal followed by a host of rip-offs in Windows, Virtual and the Vegas Strip group. I do hope that all business will now be with the RTGs in the accredited list which is already more than a dozen and no players will ever patronise the crooks again. Actually, other than over-generous bonus offers what can they offer that the accredited ones cant?</div>

bernynhel · Jul 29, 2009

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Simmo! · Jul 29, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">1x WR on deposits isn't unreasonable in light of the frauds that go on (once again we all suffer because of the idiots), but anything more is taking the p*ss. That's rogue-worthy practice. Plainly unethical, ridiculous and deceitful IMO.</div>

rockycatt · Jul 29, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">thank heave we got the miester here to rouge these S.O.B'S punish the rouges and reward the fair guy's</div>

bernynhel · Jul 30, 2009

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vinylweatherman · Aug 1, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">First we had the cashable bonus. This was designed to trap your money to a WR by offering a carrot to the player (the cashable bonus).<br /> <br /> Next came the phantom bonus. The difference here was that although a similar WR applied, you could no longer eat the carrot.<br /> <br /> This is the next logical step. Why even bother to show a carrot to the player when you can whip out a big stick after the fact and STILL make them wager more, despite never being offered a carrot.<br /> <br /> A WR of these magnitudes is bugger all to do with money laundering, it is about setting a -EV trap that even works on those players that avoid bonuses due to the restrictive terms they come with.<br /> <br /> The next step would be to restrict the amount that can be deposited in one go, BAN further deposits until the balance is zero, and retain the WR on deposits without bonuses. The final piece of this new & improved rip-off would be to make the MINIMUM withdrawal greater than the MAXIMUM allowed deposit. <br /> Players would not only have to wager an unbonused deposit, say, 15x - they would have to WIN a multiple of their initial deposit in order to keep the winnings, or even get their deposit back.<br /> <br /> Casinos that impose WR on deposits without bonuses are going to be MORE likely to receive a "chargeback" from a player who has deposited, NOT claimed any bonus, won a little, and expects to be able to keep these winnings, and who sees this as merely a rule made up to ensure winnings can never be withdrawn. The player's case for a chargeback would be simple, they played with REAL money with little chance of receiving the winnings because the high WR would make it a mathematical improbability.<br /> <br /> Most gaming jurisdictions would not be too keen on permitting an operator that FORCED a player to continue gambling with an initial bankroll that was 100% their own money to the extent that they were very likely to lose everything.<br /> <br /> If casinos are so worried about exposure to fraud, WHY do some positively encourage such large initial deposits from NEW players in the first place.<br /> Offering a bonus that maxes out only on a deposit of, say, $20000, is going to create huge exposure to fraud if it was easy for the player to get their $20000 back. Perhaps these casinos that offer bonuses for such large deposits never really intend the players to see their money again (through onerous terms and conditions), so that even if it was fraudulently deposited, the worst that happens is that they have to give back what the player lost.</div>

LaurieJim · Aug 1, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">I cant understand <b>any type of W/R </b> on a fresh (no bonus) deposit at best, just plain stupid imo<img src="/forums/styles/default/casinomeister/smilies/mad.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mad:" title="Mad :mad:" data-shortname=":mad:" />.............laurie</div>

bernynhel · Aug 2, 2009

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joyceflorida · Oct 25, 2009

<div class="bbWrapper">the two casinos i know of from the saturn operation is orchid and oneclub. Why aren't these casinos rogued? They are listed on this site as "proceed with caution".</div>

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