Betnuvo- is it a scam

[Samski211]

Hi folks, I opened and account with Betnuvo and deposited 5k. I now have 18k in my account but when I go to withdraw it always gets rejected despite being verified. Since joining up I’ve notice several people have the same issue, and I checked if they have a Curacao licence per their T&Cs and they don’t

What are my options to get the money out? I’ve already contacted my bank Revolut who have opened an investigation, as the payments went to 5 or 6 different businesses. A rookie mistake I know

They have now blocked my account so I cannot play games or bet, but can still see my balance. Online chat says they are reviewing my play history but it seems these lot are scammers. Any advice welcome

Thanks S

 

[justdoit]

Hi folks, I opened and account with Betnuvo and deposited 5k. I now have 18k in my account but when I go to withdraw it always gets rejected despite being verified. Since joining up I’ve notice several people have the same issue, and I checked if they have a Curacao licence per their T&Cs and they don’t

What are my options to get the money out? I’ve already contacted my bank Revolut who have opened an investigation, as the payments went to 5 or 6 different businesses. A rookie mistake I know

They have now blocked my account so I cannot play games or bet, but can still see my balance. Online chat says they are reviewing my play history but it seems these lot are scammers. Any advice welcome

Thanks S

stop playing on scam casinos,

 

[maxd]

... What are my options to get the money out?

"Options"? Something between slim and none I'm afraid. The obviously don't have a license -- as you say, the Curaçao claims are BS -- and that means they are basically a pirate operation, well beyond the laws and regulation of any country. In other words they can do whatever they like with no one to tell them otherwise.

In situations like this you basically have two choices: appeal to their good will OR try to shame them into paying you. Unfortunately rogue operations like this are often rather short on good will AND they tend to be remarkably shame-resistant. Good luck there.

I’ve already contacted my bank Revolut ...

There's another problem because Revolut is

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We've seen recent cases where there is no protection for players: rogue casinos can place charges against the players Revolut account without authorisation and Revolut won't do a thing about it.

I'm afraid the moral of this story is use a proper bank and don't play at casinos that lack proper licensing.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Head of Dispute Arbitration & Player Complaints (PABs)

 

[jasonuk]

I'm guessing there's a self-exclusion involved, given the casino in question prides itself on being highly rated on a UK-focused site targeting people on self exclusion programs.

The site lists no license... no address... no evidence of a jurisdiction - just a couple of fleeting references to Curacao in their T&Cs (which is a common trick of sites that have moved to Costa Rica or similar). Which is a mammoth red flag that you shouldn't be going anywhere near it...

Your primary avenue for chargeback is probably going to be abuse of merchant codes - which is a breach of the VISA or Mastercard merchant terms.

As @maxd has already highlighted, Revolut are not a bank in the UK. They appear to have a somewhat tenuous Lithuanian banking license for the EEA, and they've been hinting at getting a UK license for many years now - yet their application has been stalled for three years at this point. By contrast, many of their direct competitors in the UK are regulated as UK banks.

While they are still regulated by the FCA, it is under the much weaker "e-money institution" designation. This does offer a right of complaint to the Financial Ombudsman (FOS) however the scope of the ruling will be limited.

Unfortunately, prior rulings* are not on your side here - the FOS have frequently declined disputes with actual banks over miscoded gambling transactions, and there was an eye-watering

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were someone was scammed by a binary trading website already on the FCA warning list... Revolut sat on it for a month, incorrectly rejected it, thus didn't join the dots that the scammers were using a third-party payment processor as a front and since the customer was unaware of their obligations under the VISA chargeback scheme, the clock expired. Incredibly, the FOS still found in favour of Revolut!

I would echo his warning and further suggest replacing affected cards for security purposes - if they decide to place further unauthorised charges on your account, it sounds like you will be the one fighting the uphill battle to get your money returned.

Unfortunately, it's going to be an expensive lesson I'm afraid...

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(* as an aside, some interesting FOS rulings in this space, might be worthy of another thread in the near future).

 

[justdoit]

"Options"? Something between slim and none I'm afraid. The obviously don't have a license -- as you say, the Curaçao claims are BS -- and that means they are basically a pirate operation, well beyond the laws and regulation of any country. In other words they can do whatever they like with no one to tell them otherwise.

In situations like this you basically have two choices: appeal to their good will OR try to shame them into paying you. Unfortunately rogue operations like this are often rather short on good will AND they tend to be remarkably shame-resistant. Good luck there.


There's another problem because Revolut is

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We've seen recent cases where there is no protection for players: rogue casinos can place charges against the players Revolut account without authorisation and Revolut won't do a thing about it.

I'm afraid the moral of this story is use a proper bank and don't play at casinos that lack proper licensing.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Head of Dispute Arbitration & Player Complaints (PABs)

 

[jasonuk]

An overdue step in the right direction - it could take another year for them to be fully up and running as a bank (the "mobilisation" phase) and will continue to use the e-money institution license in the interim, although it's unclear what the license restrictions are at this point.

Given some of the previous concerns included alleged infractions involving the National Crime Agency, they could be treading on eggshells for a while longer.

Sadly doesn't help the OP, as those transactions are likely to be held against the old standard.

 

[Anavrin82]

Fell victim to this myself this week. £100 of deposits, £700 of winnings never to be seen. Days and days of lies and false promises. Did everything by the book. Full verification etc. By the time i had done my research it was too late

My question is this.. putting the fact they are never going to send me my money aside given it's a full scale scam. Should i be concerned about the fact i have sent them all my ID documentation?

I've already blocked my card for good measure

I'm astounded that this site can just operate without consequence. Sooner or later someone won't go as easily as i did, and will make it their life mission to find those responsible

 

[Anavrin82]

I've gullibly fallen victim to this over the last week or two. Usual story, did everything by the book including full verification and wagering of bonus funds etc

When it came to withdrawal just rejection after rejection with no reasoning given. Lies from the live chat bots and a singular 'support' email address that never ever respond

Eventually they just closed my account after my chasing became incessant

My question is this - aside from the fact i clearly won't see my winnings given the site is fully illegal and run from someones sweaty basement. What would concern levels be about the fact they have all my identification documents?

I have already blocked my card for good measure and have my bank looking into the deposits for breach of merchant codes (all deposits went to different accounts. SIGH)

 

[dunover]

Fell victim to this myself this week. £100 of deposits, £700 of winnings never to be seen. Days and days of lies and false promises. Did everything by the book. Full verification etc. By the time i had done my research it was too late

My question is this.. putting the fact they are never going to send me my money aside given it's a full scale scam. Should i be concerned about the fact i have sent them all my ID documentation?

I've already blocked my card for good measure

I'm astounded that this site can just operate without consequence. Sooner or later someone won't go as easily as i did, and will make it their life mission to find those responsible

Good you blocked the card. Yes, they cannot be trusted with sensitive documents, we know there is a dark web black market for this kind of stuff sadly. Their usual first choice though is to use your phone/e-mail to deluge you with spam from other scam casinos, as you're now a 'mark'. You won't be paid as you rightly surmise, although in a very few cases people have reported payment (eventually) after posting their ordeal here. Don't bank on it though (NPI)

Please read this post here, regarding player experiences at another scam casino. You may recognize some of the story and where you are on my 'BS Bingo' list:
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WARNING Post in thread 'Ares Casino (arescasino.com) is BAD news for players'

Jul 28, 2023

When I asked when my withdrawal would be processed. I received the following copy and paste.

Every time a withdrawal is requested, the system needs 24-48 hours to initiate the checking procedure. After that a relevant department is checking your game, account and financial history, which is a standard procedure. This process usually takes 7-21 business days. Kindly wait until your withdrawal is fully processed.

My question is... Do other people experience similar things at other online casino's?

NO! Not at proper ones! Only scammers would suggest they use processes before a...

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[dunover]

I've gullibly fallen victim to this over the last week or two. Usual story, did everything by the book including full verification and wagering of bonus funds etc

When it came to withdrawal just rejection after rejection with no reasoning given. Lies from the live chat bots and a singular 'support' email address that never ever respond

Eventually they just closed my account after my chasing became incessant

My question is this - aside from the fact i clearly won't see my winnings given the site is fully illegal and run from someones sweaty basement. What would concern levels be about the fact they have all my identification documents?

I have already blocked my card for good measure and have my bank looking into the deposits for breach of merchant codes (all deposits went to different accounts. SIGH)

Yes, this has been answered (above) in the Betnuvo thread you quite correctly searched out and posted in. Please don't cross post, it simply spreads out any helpful replies and is against the forum rules! Thanks.

 

[Anavrin82]

Yes, this has been answered (above) in the Betnuvo thread you quite correctly searched out and posted in. Please don't cross post, it simply spreads out any helpful replies and is against the forum rules! Thanks.

Fair. Novice. Just want traction to create more online impact. Noted for future