Grand Prive withdrawal system

[tennis_balls]

I noticed that when you go to withdraw at Grand Prive, the initial page requests the last 4 digits of social security #. I hate to give out this info, but I suppose there isn't any way around it. I'm tempted to just input any old number, but maybe they have a way to verify later?

i'm assuming non-US players don't see this screen? It seems to be a special request per Grand Prive as that is the only question on this initial page.

 

[Mousey]

I haven't played at a GP casino in almost a year. Is this something new with them? I have never seen such a request during a withdrawal. What's the point? My SS# is no one's business unless they're going to pay taxes on wins or they're going to pay into my SS account. Neither of which is going to happen.

 

[Simmo!]

I imagine the last 4 digits is just a security code to match up against the SS when you signed up? At a guess. Odd though. And if you didn't provide it when you signed up, what's the point...unless the last 4 digits are indicative of the State you live in perhaps?

 

[aka23]

I imagine the last 4 digits is just a security code to match up against the SS when you signed up? At a guess. Odd though. And if you didn't provide it when you signed up, what's the point...unless the last 4 digits are indicative of the State you live in perhaps?

Yes, several MG casinos have a security match up on withdrawals. It is not unusual to get a request for my fax #, even though I did not fill out this box when signing up.

 

[winbig]

I imagine the last 4 digits is just a security code to match up against the SS when you signed up? At a guess. Odd though. And if you didn't provide it when you signed up, what's the point...unless the last 4 digits are indicative of the State you live in perhaps?

Actually, the first 3 numbers indicate which state you were born in. There's no way to tell where a player lives by this number

The only way to figure out what state a player is from would be to get their DL number

There's no reason for them to ask for either. If they want a PIN# for security purposes, ask for one when the user signs up.

 

[Dewberry]

When I cashed out at Big Dollar casino the initial page asked for this too. All I did was continue on without entering anything and my cashout was processed OK.

I have never given either SSN or passport number when I register, all I write is "no passport number" and so far, there's been no problem.

 

[REOdeathwagon]

When social security numbers were implemented in this country [USA]. It was under the provisions that this number was not to be used as a personal ID number - in any way.
And that is exactly what has happened with this number in so many cases.

You cannot complete any financial transactions in this country without supplying it. It goes totally against what the government told us when they were shoving this damn number down our throats.

I am not a lawyer, but when a private USA company requests this number, you can respond with the answer - Denied - and quote the Social Security Act of 1976. If the company will not complete the transaction, you supposedely have legal recourse.

I personally hate having to give this number out. Especially to offshore unregulated companies. Unfortunately, if you do not provide this number to them- Here's the answer - CASHOUT DENIED.

I personally feel sick to my stomach when I think about all the offshore casinoes, sportbooks, cardrooms, that have my personal number that are no longer doing business with with Americans. Alot of them also have copies of my drivers license, a utility bill, and a bank statement. [ yes- I am the idiot that provided them with this info. ]


Sorry about the rant.

REOdeathwagon

 

[Mousey]

I personally feel sick to my stomach when I think about all the offshore casinoes, sportbooks, cardrooms, that have my personal number that are no longer doing business with with Americans. Alot of them also have copies of my drivers license, a utility bill, and a bank statement. [ yes- I am the idiot that provided them with this info. ]


Sorry about the rant.

REOdeathwagon

Me too. I began to worry about this when the wonderful Acropolis (a Stanley casino) went weird. I'd sent in the requested DL and bank statement scans before my first cashout. Every thing was peachy for awhile. And then... slow payouts, no CS, no bonus offers or updates, and then finally an odd email about a change in management. We never know who is going to get their hands on our financial and personal info. Gives me the creeps. Of course I can't play there now, anyway (Playtech). (Whatever did happen with Acropolis?)

And fwiw... I will not give a store clerk my ss# even if it is 'required' for me to pay by check. They can take a flying leap.

 

[Rusty]

I not making any particular point here but some of the posts have hit my "rant" nerve
It is definately a scary thought that your personal information is in god knows whos hands?
Having to fax off your passport/driving licence/address/bank info etc just to get paid what is rightly yours is wrong,wrong,wrong!
The Casinos can not wait to get their hands on your money without any of this infromation but when it comes to paying out it is a different matter.
Here in the UK there is a massive increase in identity fraud and much of this fraud is commited from personal information being stolen online.
Worse still it gives this Goverment(UK) another excuse to bring in ID cards, yet another infringment on our civil rights.Whatever happened to the right to anonimity?
Grrrr and hmphhhh
What was I saying?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Call Centres

I not making any particular point here but some of the posts have hit my "rant" nerve
It is definately a scary thought that your personal information is in god knows whos hands?
Having to fax off your passport/driving licence/address/bank info etc just to get paid what is rightly yours is wrong,wrong,wrong!
The Casinos can not wait to get their hands on your money without any of this infromation but when it comes to paying out it is a different matter.
Here in the UK there is a massive increase in identity fraud and much of this fraud is commited from personal information being stolen online.
Worse still it gives this Goverment(UK) another excuse to bring in ID cards, yet another infringment on our civil rights.Whatever happened to the right to anonimity?
Grrrr and hmphhhh
What was I saying?

A good deal of this information is being stolen from call centres by "bent" employees. This is a bigger problem in places like India and China, but even UK call centres have incidents. When companies dealt with customer service in-house this was rarely an issue, but many companies outsource customer service to outside agencies. This can lead to poorer service, but can make the information less secure. Online casinos are probably no less secure than some of these call centres used by banks and insurance companies.
One worry is that companies seem to ask for more information than is necessary, thus compounding the risk, and will make life difficult if you don't comply. An ID card may help, provided we have the right to have it accepted in it's own right without having to provide all the other documents. We also need to have the legal right to not be liable if providing our data leads to another party defrauding a company by pretending to be us - currently it can be a civil court battle with us having to prove that fraud was committed with our details. I am sure online casinos could come up with a better way of validating players, such as the "virtual card", where the casino can have us validated by an accredited agency, but not have access to all the personal data they currently request. A virtual card is a means to pay by credit card over the internet by not having to provide the actual card information, but by using a third party secure portal to generate a virtual card good only for that transaction, with the knowledge that the virtual data can never be reused if stolen for another transaction.

 

[REOdeathwagon]

And fwiw... I will not give a store clerk my ss# even if it is 'required' for me to pay by check. They can take a flying leap.

Me neither Mousy

Having to fax off your passport/driving licence/address/bank info etc just to get paid what is rightly yours is wrong,wrong,wrong!
The Casinos can not wait to get their hands on your money without any of this infromation but when it comes to paying out it is a different matter.

Instacash going in, no questions asked. = Bend over so we can pull copies of sensitive documents out of your ass prior to any slowpay cashout. - You could be a bonus abuser.


Here in the UK there is a massive increase in identity fraud and much of this fraud is commited from personal information being stolen online.

USA too.

Worse still it gives this Goverment(UK) another excuse to bring in ID cards, yet another infringment on our civil rights

USA gov. too, sounds very gestapo-ish. National Identity Card - F**k you.

 

[REOdeathwagon]

"This can lead to poorer service, but can make the information less secure. "

Poorer service certainly

"One worry is that companies seem to ask for more information than is necessary,"

Instead of requesting the addional information of specifically the customers they need it from. I think this has to do with efficiancy issues on their part.

"An ID card may help, provided we have the right to have it accepted in it's own right without having to provide all the other documents."

I, personally don't care for this idea.

REOdeathwagon