Grand Prive (Big Dollar Casino)

pmhcfc

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Anyone know why BigDollar Casino is not on the Grand Prive list as a rougue casino?..After all, it is part of the Grand Prive group isn't it?

I just wondered :confused:
 

mojo

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Anyone know why BigDollar Casino is not on the Grand Prive list as a rougue casino?..After all, it is part of the Grand Prive group isn't it?

I just wondered :confused:

Big Dollar split off from the Grand Prive Group long ago. It hasn't offered an affiliate program in it's stand alone status.
 

pmhcfc

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Big Dollar split off from the Grand Prive Group long ago. It hasn't offered an affiliate program in it's stand alone status.

Oh OK...It's just in their T & C's (for promotions) it says >> The cash-in pending period at all GrandPrive.com casinos is 48 hours. and >> Progressive Jackpot wins will be paid out as quickly and in as big a segments as GrandPrive.coms processing partners allow.

Does this just mean they haven't bothered changing their T & C's ? :confused:
 

slotheadlizard

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Bigdollar

When I asked in a chat session if they were part of GP, they replied no. Explained that they share some administration like customer service and payment processors. I still play there, no luck at all in months though.
 

vinylweatherman

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Big Dollar split off from the Grand Prive Group long ago. It hasn't offered an affiliate program in it's stand alone status.

There has been this long standing conspiracy theory that they are not as separate as they claim.

Oh OK...It's just in their T & C's (for promotions) it says >> The cash-in pending period at all GrandPrive.com casinos is 48 hours. and >> Progressive Jackpot wins will be paid out as quickly and in as big a segments as GrandPrive.coms processing partners allow.

Does this just mean they haven't bothered changing their T & C's ? :confused:

...... and this kind of lax carelessness does not help. Players see this, and think WTF, as far as they were concerned they are playing a stand alone casino, but suddenly worry if any "sins" at Grand Prive will be used against them while playing at Big Dollar.

Since Big Dollar didn't have an affiliate scheme, or the same one at least, they were not involved in the sins comitted by Grand Prive (abrupt and unilateral reneging on affiliate "lifetime" deals for referred players), which is why they were rogued, and thus Big Dollar does not get dragged into the mess, and the rogue pit.
 

mandyjoi

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I know nothing about affiliate programs, but I do know that as of this past August Big Dollar and Grand Prive are linked. I was told (while I was getting the run-a-round by Big Dollar) that they use the same payment processor and customer service. They would never confirm or deny (even tho I asked several times) if they were part of Grand Prive. It was interesting because I cashed out at Big Dollar and Bella Vegas within the same week. Bella paid within 5 days. Big Dollar paid me after 6 weeks and one returned check. Adding insult to injury, Big Dollar charged me for the wire transfer that replaced the bad check they sent me. By the time I got my money I was just happy I got it all.
~Amanda
 

hakapuku

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In my opinion Big dollar is a part of Grand Prive. About a month ago all Grand Prive casinos changed their bonus terms. And guess what? Big dollar changed it too, exactly the same way.
 

winbig

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Do eCOGRA seals change hands, if a casino gets bought out? If not, then it's still with Grand Prive..


Old / Expired Link

Seal Approved : 31 August 2006
Seal Renewed : 14 April 2008
 

hakapuku

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Do eCOGRA seals change hands, if a casino gets bought out? If not, then it's still with Grand Prive..


Old / Expired Link

And here are the details for Bella Vegas casino (Grand Prive casino) :



Seal approved: 14 January 2004
Seal renewed : 14 April 2008
 

pmhcfc

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So, is Big Dollar still part of Grand Prive? - :rolleyes:

It seems to be in my opinion, but I've been wrong before (and will be again I expect)
 

vinylweatherman

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So, is Big Dollar still part of Grand Prive? - :rolleyes:

It seems to be in my opinion, but I've been wrong before (and will be again I expect)


I think a bigger question is why they will not say, not whether they are or not. There should be no reason for this kind of concealment, yet Grand Prive/Big Dollar, go for the "no comment" responce when asked the direct question, and try to dance around the issue when the question is indirect.

This is as bad (or almost as bad perhaps) as lying to the player, and surely eCogra requires honesty from the seal holders, and that a direct question of relevance should receive a clear and honest answer.

As for the bonus terms changing at Grand Prive, and mirrored at Big Dollar, well this is strongly in favour of Big Dollar being a DIRECT part of Grand Prive.

There is an equivalent relationship from which I draw this, and this is Prime Casino and the Palace Group. With Prime, all transactions bear the name of "Palace Group" on my Neteller statement, Palace Group run all the Prime casino promotions through their systems, and do all the support for them.
HOWEVER - unlike Big Dollar, the terms and conditions at Prime, particularly for bonuses, does not, in any way, mirror those universally applied across the Palace group as a whole, Prime has it's own terms, and it appears Palace Group just implement them on instruction from the owners of Prime.

Big Dollar, like Villa Fortuna, probably ARE directly owned by Grand Prive, but for some reason Grand Prive have to give the impression there is no connection, even though some basic comparisons between the casinos make it pretty obvious a connection between them runs very deep.

With Villa Fortuna, Grand Prive inadvertantly let slip the connection when they launched an attempt to kill forum discussion of Villa Fortuna. They were pressing forum owners to remove all references to Villa Fortuna, but in doing so, they had to reveal some reason why, and that they were indeed authorised to ask this, and this revealed it was Grand Prive doing the asking, as Villa Fortuna was an experimental casino being target marketed (or spammed if you like) specifically for European players. Presumably, they didn't want US players becoming aware of this casino, and trying to join up. It is quite possible that their latest moves were planned out WELL in advance, and ready to go should the situation call for it - and this happened in November.
 

rockycatt

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they most certainly are part of grand pervie i was in contact with them on the phone and because im in the states theres no usa in the drop down box to select
the phone rep aske my name and then told me all my personals because he said i am with there network geand pervie

he suggested i select another country and dont wory about it :what:
i said if i get lucky and hit ill have a fight on my hands to collect because of fax back papers wont match i removed the game site

to bad because it was m g hit man and cashapiller,allycats, supe them up
all the great games but im good on platninum play and the F L Lounge group so ;)
 

mojo

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They used to be part of Brightshare/Jackpot factory and was bought up by GP a few years ago. I was under the impression they were on their own now. But perhaps that is what they want us to think.

Definatly having second thoughts about them.
 

bonustreak

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Big Dollar is marketed by Brandbox Media the same company that handles all of Grand Prive but they have never admitted that it has the same owners.
 

vinylweatherman

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they most certainly are part of grand pervie i was in contact with them on the phone and because im in the states theres no usa in the drop down box to select
the phone rep aske my name and then told me all my personals because he said i am with there network geand pervie

he suggested i select another country and dont wory about it :what:
i said if i get lucky and hit ill have a fight on my hands to collect because of fax back papers wont match i removed the game site

to bad because it was m g hit man and cashapiller,allycats, supe them up
all the great games but im good on platninum play and the F L Lounge group so ;)

This is very BAD advice, especially since it is over the phone, and yes, you WILL have problems at withdrawal time. US is not in the list because MG have decided to disallow new signups, and in any case, Grand Prive have supposedly CLOSED these casinos to both their new and existing US players.

Only existing US players can check this, but they should have had their accounts locked and remaining funds returned, CS should know this, and not trying to fudge a work around and telling the player "it'll be OK", when this decision will not be up to them.
 

KasinoKing

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Big Dollar is marketed by Brandbox Media the same company that handles all of Grand Prive but they have never admitted that it has the same owners.
I've decided to err on the side of caution & have added them to my
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I would rather wrongly label an innocent casino than risk seeing innocent players get ripped off...

KK
 

EasyRhino

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San Diego
I dusted off my old unused big dollar account to see if I could still log in and deposit from the US. I could. As is the case with pretty much any other MG casino I've played at.
(no progressives are available)
 

me_and_ed

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I used to play there quite a bit, they have always stated the c/s was handled by GP, but were independantly owned, I have always been payed without hassle, however I used to deposit at least 4 times a week, they had good weekly bonuses, I had a couple of decent wins but nowhere near my deposits and they took me off the mailing list, so I pretty much washed my hands of them.
 

EasyRhino

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Man, their weekly bonuses were AWESOME. Sometimes three a week. I was inevitably taken off the list, presumably for playing with too many bonuses. I wonder if they still offer those to any players.
 

wanda5

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This is very BAD advice, especially since it is over the phone, and yes, you WILL have problems at withdrawal time. US is not in the list because MG have decided to disallow new signups, and in any case, Grand Prive have supposedly CLOSED these casinos to both their new and existing US players.

Only existing US players can check this, but they should have had their accounts locked and remaining funds returned, CS should know this, and not trying to fudge a work around and telling the player "it'll be OK", when this decision will not be up to them.


So I got a lovely letter and cd from Bella Vegas today and YES was I ever leery espcially b/c I am a U.S. cit. and have been reading all this. Anyway they gave me $100 FREE to play with (in my account that i had prior) and I was certainly not going to turn that down... but I gotta tell ya the whole 5 minute experience was WEIRD....seriously these were my biggest wins ....$5 ONCE and then a little over $4 once...I did 90 cent bets down to $25 in about4 different games & then did little bets but YEAH I am so glad I didn't spend my own money THAT would have HURT!
In my mind if there's no money going into the casino...THAT is why there is no money coming out...its just my take on it.
 

me_and_ed

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Man, their weekly bonuses were AWESOME. Sometimes three a week. I was inevitably taken off the list, presumably for playing with too many bonuses. I wonder if they still offer those to any players.



They were good, I was removed as well and closed my account for about 1.5yrs, I just reopened it and asked if i could be put back on the mailing list, they said no and that my account was still under review, then let me know i had to make more dep's to get back on. My last yrwith them I dep'd $19130.00 and withdrew $5600.00??? Seems pretty shortsighted to me.
 
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