Grand Eagle, Treasure Mile, Etc What's Up With Them?????????

[chayton]

is anyone nice or normal here????

Yes.

I thought this would be a decent forum but evidently not as most of you appear to have a screw loose.

Speaking only for myself, I don't really consider this comment 'nice and normal' either. Just saying.

 

[mattsgame]

"Come out swinging" what the hell are you talking about?? is anyone nice or normal here????

this all started when "NIFTY29" who appears to have a bad rap with others (not to mention his countless degrading posts) starting jumping all over me for nothing. The pretentious comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
A) I am not "squealing"
b) at this pt. I don't care about answers and was not expecting anything instant
c) I was not trashing ANY casino's. I was stating FACTUAL info that I was given and can back up. And my tone? You don't know me. I don't know you. It would be virtually impossible to know anyone's "tone", body language or anything else over a PC screen

Advice to you and your cronies: All of YOU need to "chill", stop making JUDGMENTS UPON PEOPLE whom you don't even know, or know their intentions and actually be friendly instead of assholes.

and like another member pointed out who cares about CAPS USAGE. If writing nasty things to people on forums all day is what you chose to partake in that's fine. I don't. My life is not casino's and casino forums and I could care less about trite petty bullshit such as this.

I thought this would be a decent forum but evidently not as most of you appear to have a screw loose.

Wow I do not normally get involved in these shit flinging contests, but you cannot be serious..

If you had a problem with the way Nifty explained the caps issue fair enough, he shot at you straight and abrupt and you are new here. But I don't think it was rude.

But all the other posters have tried to help you and give advice etc and you sling crap there way, calling people assholes etc. Then start whining that no one is nice, talk about hypocritical. Sure you cannot tell anyone's tone but by hell you can see someone's "character".

 

[maxd]

.... Sometimes I type in caps, it's merely to highlight a point. It's not meant to be insulting or "screaming". I would not be offended at all if anyone wrote in caps.

As understandable as your reasons for doing it may be that is kind of beside the point, which is that it is internet convention that ALL CAPS = shouting and (habitual) shouting is not how most of us want to read our forum posts. So yes, Nifty was pretty much on the mark in pointing that out to you.

... I have noticed that the majority of the titles here: DO INDEED START IN CAPS.

Sorry but that is not at all true. ALL CAPS usage is fairly limited on these forums and any thread (in the past few years) that is titled in ALL CAPS almost always gets edited back to normal text (as yours did). Again, the point is that ALL CAPS is considered shouting and is generally frowned on.

For someone who was so easily offended it seems you have a fair bit of unkind things to say yourself:

... should I kiss your ass ... if you don't have something nice to say why say it at all? ...
I came on here, asked a question and got attacked. ... what is sad is that it persists and no one does anything about it. ... the people here are: rude, passive agressive, take things too personally, are unhelpful and responses ate utterly useless ...

Are you sure you are in the right place? It is pretty unusual for someone with so little experience to have so many things to gripe about, especially in a place you have chosen to visit. This isn't prison, you're free to leave any time. If you choose to stay, great! Welcome! Now about that chip on your shoulder ....

You say you were "attacked"?!? You might want to go back and re-read Nifty's post: he pointed out to you that ALL CAPS is not good forum practice, explained why ... and then said he had better things to do. Okay, maybe the last bit was unnecessary but if you consider this an attack then I respectfully suggest that you are the one being overly sensitive and quick to take offense. To turn that around and start telling us how much we all suck is hardly neighbourly, is it? Not to mention being a bit out of line coming from someone who supposedly new to the forums.

Speaking of which, how is it that you have a registration date of Jul 2008 but you consider yourself a "new member"? No offense but since you registered here over three years ago I would have expected all this ALL CAPS and such would be old news to you, and yet more reason why we would expect you to know better or at least expect to hear about it from the other readers.

As has been said, maybe chill a bit? Whether you intended it or not you got off on the wrong foot and may well be taking some constructive criticism overly personally. Take a moment to pause, deep breath, maybe a plucky smile if you've got one and let's try this again, shall we?

 

[vinylweatherman]

@ Slotjunkie: I was just informed that this casino group in question (genesys group) DOES do credit checks!!!! who does that? I'm shocked and feel like that is very inappropriate.
The live chat person "Dean" urged me to 're read" the T & C'S which i did and was pretty taken aback by some of the "rules". I have never seen on any other casino T &C's that your winnings are subject to taxation!!!! lol.

Also, i prodded him about the "negative info on me from 3rd party source" and all he said was I was 'blacklisted" by "other casino's". I am very confused. To my knowledge I have never been banned by any casino in my life!!! there was ONE incident years ago with the English Harbour group where I got locked out of one of my accounts but that was promptly sorted out and I played there again, for years. Never any other problems. Despite that, what the hell does a credit check have to do with other casino's? nothing casino related is on my credit report and like I said it's not like I'm asking for a loan!
the whole thing seems shady. I have never had any kind of issue like this anywhere and like someone mentioned IF THAT WAS TRUE, why have I never had issues at prive?

They said i could possibly rectify this by sending in all these documents. i have no problem doing this but I am not going to because at this point, i do not trust them, period. I have done nothing wrong to be penalized. Also, get this, you said you were never asked for documents before you even played there right?
dean said: Everyone who plays here is asked for all documents before playing here.
i don't believe him.

In other words, blacklisted by Grand Prive. They are all related, even though they have all denied it. This is how they seem to know information about players that should be impossible to obtain legally. It is more than likely that Grand Prive have you marked down as a "bonus abuser" in their internal database, and this of course is shared between all their operations, even the disguised ones like Big Dollar, Mandarin Palace, Grand Eagle, etc.

Another thing that can happen with US players is that a processor will fail to obtain and pass on a deposit to the casino, even though the casino credits the money up front, and the player uses it. This can end up with the PLAYER being flagged for "chargeback" fraud, when it is really a case of the processor nicking the money, or the US banking system blocking the transaction, and it ending up with the DoJ in one of the many minor seizures that don't make headlines.

True third party databases only hold information related to fraud, so if the incident with English Harbour was related to them wrongly accusing you of fraud, it may NOT actually have been "cleared up", but rather "swept under the carpet" by English Harbour who decided to take the risk, but NOT "cleared up" on any third party databases used by processors.

Until you send documents, casinos use your registration information to run these checks. If there are any doubts they will ask for documents up front. This is actually a GOOD idea, and will work better if it became accepted as standard throughout the industry. It would prevent all the problems of players depositing and playing for some time, only to have their eventual winnings confiscated once the casino has seen and refused the documents after the first withdrawal.

You show from your post why operators say they will have so much trouble implementing this on their own, and need this to be done by mutual agreement throughout the industry.

If you think their service sucks after all this, DON'T PLAY THERE! Don't even give them the time of day, let alone your documents in order to BEG to be let in.

It's nearly all over in the US anyway, and I can't see Betonsoft casinos staying clear of DoJ action for much longer. The DoJ have already cleared out many of the major operators, and are now moving in on the rest. Rival have already been "leant on" sufficiently to stop taking on new players, and TopGame is pretty dodgy, even if individual casinos are better run than others.

Betonsoft would be great, but they seem to "have it in for you", and it is unlikely you will EVER be fully accepted by them as a genuine player. Even if they DO let you in, you will most likely find you are given a second class service because they don't really want you because of this "negative information". Confirming your ID is not going to make this negative information go away, nor any less negative.

 

[maxd]

All of YOU need to "chill", stop making JUDGMENTS UPON PEOPLE whom you don't even know, or know their intentions and actually be friendly instead of assholes. ... I thought this would be a decent forum but evidently not as most of you appear to have a screw loose.

Ok, so maybe the "make nice" advice isn't getting through. Allow me to introduce you to another feature we have here at Casinomeister called the "vacation": you get booted off the forums for a little while so you can reconsider your actions and behaviour, adjust your attitude, and last but not least (re)read the Forum Rules.

As of now you're on 24 hours "vacation" for Forum Rules violations, in particular:

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language....
1.14 - No Trolls. From Wikipedia: "A Troll is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." Trolls will be waterboarded, and their accounts will be permanently disabled. ...
1.18 - Don't be a PITA Members who just don't have a clue on what is socially acceptable, or are just too annoying will have their accounts closed. The administration and moderators of Casinomeister reserve the right to close accounts at our discretion. This may be a public forum that encourages freedom of expression, but it's still our house. Abuse it and lose it.

 

[Nifty29]

In other words, blacklisted by Grand Prive. They are all related, even though they have all denied it. This is how they seem to know information about players that should be impossible to obtain legally. It is more than likely that Grand Prive have you marked down as a "bonus abuser" in their internal database, and this of course is shared between all their operations, even the disguised ones like Big Dollar, Mandarin Palace, Grand Eagle, etc.

Another thing that can happen with US players is that a processor will fail to obtain and pass on a deposit to the casino, even though the casino credits the money up front, and the player uses it. This can end up with the PLAYER being flagged for "chargeback" fraud, when it is really a case of the processor nicking the money, or the US banking system blocking the transaction, and it ending up with the DoJ in one of the many minor seizures that don't make headlines.

True third party databases only hold information related to fraud, so if the incident with English Harbour was related to them wrongly accusing you of fraud, it may NOT actually have been "cleared up", but rather "swept under the carpet" by English Harbour who decided to take the risk, but NOT "cleared up" on any third party databases used by processors.

Until you send documents, casinos use your registration information to run these checks. If there are any doubts they will ask for documents up front. This is actually a GOOD idea, and will work better if it became accepted as standard throughout the industry. It would prevent all the problems of players depositing and playing for some time, only to have their eventual winnings confiscated once the casino has seen and refused the documents after the first withdrawal.

You show from your post why operators say they will have so much trouble implementing this on their own, and need this to be done by mutual agreement throughout the industry.

If you think their service sucks after all this, DON'T PLAY THERE! Don't even give them the time of day, let alone your documents in order to BEG to be let in.

It's nearly all over in the US anyway, and I can't see Betonsoft casinos staying clear of DoJ action for much longer. The DoJ have already cleared out many of the major operators, and are now moving in on the rest. Rival have already been "leant on" sufficiently to stop taking on new players, and TopGame is pretty dodgy, even if individual casinos are better run than others.

Betonsoft would be great, but they seem to "have it in for you", and it is unlikely you will EVER be fully accepted by them as a genuine player. Even if they DO let you in, you will most likely find you are given a second class service because they don't really want you because of this "negative information". Confirming your ID is not going to make this negative information go away, nor any less negative.

You may be right, but we don't know why she is on the negative database. It might be completely unrelated to bonuses.....it could be multiple accounts or chargebacks etc. The op already has an unsuccessful PAB, so who knows? I doubt the op is going to be forthcoming.

Let's just see how the next PAB goes....if Max will accept it. I'm sure there are heaps of affiliates out there who would be happy to help

 

[vinylweatherman]

You may be right, but we don't know why she is on the negative database. It might be completely unrelated to bonuses.....it could be multiple accounts or chargebacks etc. The op already has an unsuccessful PAB, so who knows? I doubt the op is going to be forthcoming.

Let's just see how the next PAB goes....if Max will accept it. I'm sure there are heaps of affiliates out there who would be happy to help

Looks like you are right, refreshed the page and seen she just got to be a "banned user". I doubt very much that she will be allowed to play there anyway. Fraud WOULD be flagged on a processor level database, one that all casinos could see who use that same group of processors.

 

[Diane]

"Come out swinging" what the hell are you talking about?? is anyone nice or normal here????

this all started when "NIFTY29" who appears to have a bad rap with others (not to mention his countless degrading posts) starting jumping all over me for nothing. The pretentious comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

Maybe not directed at me ---- but I do tend to be protective of those I consider to be solid contributing members of the forum. Nifty is in that category.

A) I am not "squealing"
b) at this pt. I don't care about answers and was not expecting anything instant
c) I was not trashing ANY casino's. I was stating FACTUAL info that I was given and can back up. And my tone? You don't know me. I don't know you. It would be virtually impossible to know anyone's "tone", body language or anything else over a PC screen


"Tone" was implied by your wording -- IMO


Advice to you and your cronies: All of YOU need to "chill", stop making JUDGMENTS UPON PEOPLE whom you don't even know, or know their intentions and actually be friendly instead of assholes.

Check my history of posts here ----- I help everyone and rarely take offense, I am offended by your calling me or others here "a__h___s". Not necessary AT ALL. (caps used intentionally - BTW)


and like another member pointed out who cares about CAPS USAGE. If writing nasty things to people on forums all day is what you chose to partake in that's fine. I don't. My life is not casino's and casino forums and I could care less about trite petty bullshit such as this.


This probably isn't the right place for you -- if my posts send you off citing "petty" bs.

I thought this would be a decent forum but evidently not as most of you appear to have a screw loose.

Well, you are right here, it IS A DECENT FORUM - best I have found after checking out a lot. But we aren't for everyone.

However, having said all that and from content of my other posts. If you want, start over and get off this topic. You can start fresh IMO after your 24 hour vacation.

Diane

 

[Diane]

"Come out swinging" what the hell are you talking about?? is anyone nice or normal here????

this all started when "NIFTY29" who appears to have a bad rap with others (not to mention his countless degrading posts) starting jumping all over me for nothing. The pretentious comment had NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
A) I am not "squealing"
b) at this pt. I don't care about answers and was not expecting anything instant
c) I was not trashing ANY casino's. I was stating FACTUAL info that I was given and can back up. And my tone? You don't know me. I don't know you. It would be virtually impossible to know anyone's "tone", body language or anything else over a PC screen

Advice to you and your cronies: All of YOU need to "chill", stop making JUDGMENTS UPON PEOPLE whom you don't even know, or know their intentions and actually be friendly instead of assholes.

and like another member pointed out who cares about CAPS USAGE. If writing nasty things to people on forums all day is what you chose to partake in that's fine. I don't. My life is not casino's and casino forums and I could care less about trite petty bullshit such as this.

I thought this would be a decent forum but evidently not as most of you appear to have a screw loose.

How are they extending credit? Are you speaking of a "bonus?" Everyone doesn't use bonuses...

IMO because if cc is used, the casinos are vulnerable to a chargeback. I think there is always a "credit" risk for casinos.

 

[denamoutz]

shame on you nifty, be nice, you can tell a person to stop using caps without being so insulting. like "please do not use caps people think that you are yelling" and leave it at that. You might want to try it, i hope that you are a lot different in person than you are online when i think of you nifty and your posts i picture you as an 80 year old man who hasn't been laid in a while. LMAO

 

[Nifty29]

shame on you nifty, be nice, you can tell a person to stop using caps without being so insulting. like "please do not use caps people think that you are yelling" and leave it at that. You might want to try it, i hope that you are a lot different in person than you are online

well I could have said something about using caps incorrectly. or not using caps when required. But it wasn't about grammar it was about the OP being rude. she knew what she was doing she's been around for years.

actually I am a horrible and rude person offline.

 

[denamoutz]

 

[all4greed]

well I could have said something about using caps incorrectly. or not using caps when required. But it wasn't about grammar it was about the OP being rude. she knew what she was doing she's been around for years.

No, that wouldn't be quite right.

 

[jod5413]

Grand Prive are rogued not because they are BetonSoft, it was for issues way prior to that. They are definitely a group you want to steer clear of.

As a derail....
As with real life, there will be people you will meet that you will just NOT like. Such will be forum life. You have several choices, 1) You will get along, 2) you won't get along and you will ignore each other or 3) you won't get along and postings become bashfests which derails threads and causes "vacations/timeouts" and gets threads closed.

Geez some of you need a chill pill, you read way to much into peoples posts and then attack for no reason.

With the grand prive issue, If they can run off with affiliates money what's to say they wont skip town with yours.

It's an issue of trust and integrity not how the casino is operating now.

If you have not read it yet then THIS would be an interesting read for you.

Calm down, all. Let's have a do over.

I have played at all the BetonSoft casinos at one time or another. Have cashed out at several, one of which was Treasure Mile, on a free chip each time. That said, I don't remember sending any documents out of the ordinary, e.i. driver's license, utility bill etc. but it's been a while since I was verified so they could have changed verification processes. As for running credit checks, I can say that they didn't run one on me. I get my credit reports so I know who is looking. They could be running verification with Telecheck or something like that possibly instead of an actual credit check because whether or not you pay your bills on time would be none of their business.

Are they requesting out of the ordinary verification documents? If it is something you don't feel comfortable producing, then don't and write them off. If you really, really want to play there, then you will have to give them what they want.

You did come out "swinging" and overly harsh wording + the all CAPS doesn't start you off on the right foot.

I have only been playing at Treasure Mile for a short time simply as an alternative to Top Game and RTG, and Rival -- nice variety and change of pace.

I have a pending withdrawal and they have been informative and helpful. I feel "good" about the site and usually my radar goes up pretty quickly if there is a hint of a problem. I like the casino and think you should chill and just do as they ask. If you don't want to comply, then move on to another casino.

We have had many infrequent or new posters pop up lately just to trash one casino or another, it isn't pretentiousness, it's irritation IMO.

Quick to squeal -- wanting instant answers and trashing casinos irritate the heck out of me on these posts. So right or wrong, I didn't like your tone either.

Now having said that --- my advice FWIW -- is settle down, and wait and see what happens.

Diane

How can anyone read this forum and think the people are not good people? I continue to learn about how I should act when I read these posters and the many others here that are straight shooters and like to help people.

And Nifty may at times be a bit cranky, but he has been around almost from the beginning here. I know I would get a bit cranky sometimes after reading hundreds of the same gripes and same people that like to be belligerent. He does have feelings and does like to help people, too. I am proud to call him and the others above some of my friends here.

 

[Jasminebed]

Casinos are entitled to do a credit check, if it's in their terms and conditons. But it's important to know that ever credit check done on you impacts your credit score. So don't just sign up for a new card at the mall for a free pen.

I actually think that casinos asking for documentation before depositing is some sign of integrety. Not that they will just take your money now and find a way to not pay you later.

 

[maxd]

... i hope that you are a lot different in person than you are online when i think of you nifty and your posts i picture you as an 80 year old man who hasn't been laid in a while.

Please refrain from posting this type of disparaging personal comments. There are several reasons, not the least of which is that it just derails the topic at hand and encourages otherwise constructive discussions to descend into combative dirt fights.

We're asking a number of people to cultivate a less combative forum presence. Not goading them into confrontational situations is part of the price that everyone has to pay in order to achieve that. We'd appreciate your cooperation.

 

[KasinoKing]

Re Grand Privvy: What matt said

With the grand prive issue, If they can run off with affiliates money what's to say they wont skip town with yours.
It's an issue of trust and integrity not how the casino is operating now.

When someone goes back on an agreed contract and steals your money - they are THIEVES.
If you want to play with fire, don't be surprised if you get burned.

I've played at Eagle and Treasure Mile - I like the games, but as someone else stated, the payouts have gotten too low, so I'm not depositing again until that changes.

But I feel both the Grand Prive group (speaking in terms of their BetOnSoft days) and the Geneyes group have both gone downhill this year. Payouts are lower, the terms are more player unfriendly, and the loyalty program not nearly as good as it used to be.

Interesting comments!
As people here may or may not know, I promote the Eagle/Treasure/Mandarin group of casinos and in the last 2 months the players I referred to then collectively won a lot more than they lost! It was the same in April too. I only wish someone would tell me how they did it so I could have a go too!

KK