GIGSE 2013 San Francisco report

Slotmine

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Great review. I couldn't be there, so it's good to get an independent (an entertaining) viewpoint.

I lived in SF for a while too, so it was nice to hear some familiar place names!
 

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Thanks For Sharing

:)Appreciate your insightful report. Very useful and insightful information. May Lady Luck smile.
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:)Appreciate your insightful report. Very useful and insightful information. May Lady Luck smile.
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good try shitty casino, still nobody will play there. Reported.
P.S. How stupid spammer should be, if he spam in thread that created by mr.Meister XD
added: read report, good job, it was really interesting for me :)
 
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Yep, Homerbert, a spammer no less.

As for the GIGSE the US market is going to be very convoluted due to the variety of interests. You have lobbyists, state and national legislatures and big businesses - throw the existing land-based casino big-boys into the money pit too and say 'go for it!' and watch the bloodletting.
This will happen for a few reasons - land based casinos lobby will consider they should be favoured as they have revenue to lose to online sites. The state taxes will be hard to administer if ALL US citizens can play at national or even foreign owned websites. This will be another issue - in the US protectionism sometimes prevails and how will that affect potential entrants from say the UK who have the existing infrastructure, software and experience to do it properly from day one?

It's my belief that a national federal strategy would be better for the future, rather than competing state licensors. This would enable a blanket set of rules for auditing and checks, financials (i.e. rules regards depositing and receiving by various payment methods) and corporate taxation. Then the individual states can vote on whether to have it in their yards or not, like the death penalty. Allowable under federal law, but states can choose not to have it.

This would mean legalizing online gaming for ALL US citizens in principle, but states keeping their autonomy whether their constituents want it.

As for tablet and mobile gaming, it isn't the way to go in my opinion. Sooner or later the devices will be superseded, and secondly these are generally used in lunchbreaks, socially or in conjunction with other apps. Play a slot on a 15" laptop screen then try squinting at one on a 4" mobile screen. Most devices don't have the capacity to download full and comprehensive casinos like MG's full version, are too slow and laggy and rely on inconsistent connection. Give my home broadband and the capacity of my laptop any day.
 

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Interesting report. Seems like the US online gaming market still has many clouds over it's head. And if the skies do clear someday, regaining the trust and player confidence will be the next obstacle. Thanks for a great review.
 

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"Many hardcore gamblers don't want to be bothered with the "social" aspects of interaction; they want to gamble. So it's going to take an innovative game design and platform to accomplish this. They want their slots; they don't want to chat. These are your traditional gamblers who seem to be the majority of the online market - at least in Europe it seems that way. "



100% Correct. Sites with chat windows popping up all over the place and the over zealous/creepily friendly 'host' asking you what you had for dinner? No thanks.

A darkened room, a glass of something cold and a bet max button. Sorted.

Thanks for a great review.
 

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"Many hardcore gamblers don't want to be bothered with the "social" aspects of interaction; they want to gamble. So it's going to take an innovative game design and platform to accomplish this. They want their slots; they don't want to chat. These are your traditional gamblers who seem to be the majority of the online market - at least in Europe it seems that way. "



100% Correct. Sites with chat windows popping up all over the place and the over zealous/creepily friendly 'host' asking you what you had for dinner? No thanks.

A darkened room, a glass of something cold and a bet max button. Sorted.

Thanks for a great review.

Exactly. otherwise the curse of the 'lucky dust' and other chat-related inanity will spread to the US too....:eek:
 

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"Many hardcore gamblers don't want to be bothered with the "social" aspects of interaction; they want to gamble. So it's going to take an innovative game design and platform to accomplish this. They want their slots; they don't want to chat. These are your traditional gamblers who seem to be the majority of the online market - at least in Europe it seems that way. "



100% Correct. Sites with chat windows popping up all over the place and the over zealous/creepily friendly 'host' asking you what you had for dinner? No thanks.

A darkened room, a glass of something cold and a bet max button. Sorted.

Thanks for a great review.


First and foremost thank you for sharing your experience casinomeister (Bryan). Loved reading about your ventures and findings. And I have experienced social interaction during online gambling and after an extensive amount of time I find it is not something for me. In fact, in my findings, I found it to become too personal as far as the business etiquette in which the host seems to think they know everything about you and includes such aspects/bias in response to any asked query's. I know if I go to land casino, I do not want to bothered, unless I win (lol), I like to enjoy my playtime, win or lose, by myself. The social aspect of online casinos can bring unwanted negative experiences of a win or loss - as well as bring about the swindlers who try to manipulate you out of your money. It was a great experience I might add in knowing the deficits of having social interaction and its constructs to online gambling. It can be too personal, bring about favoritism, and just overall a negative perk. This is my personal experience, not speaking for anyone else!!
 
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One more piece of pleasure and light reading!
Thanks Casinomeister.

Though your main purpose was related to the state of the i-gaming situation in the states, what you let us know is interesting and somehow useful for all of us, players all over the 'CM world'.

Hopefully the i-gaming industry will be more supervised and (legally) regulated, the sooner the better, something that should definitely help to "clean" some operators which should have never been around; and, that way, we, online players, will have more confidence to play and enjoy our time.

Side note: It's always relaxing to read your chronicles... you should seriously think about a writing career, Bryan :notworthy
 

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I think it's really sad that the Americans are not gambling online, as many games have been developed by them.You got people playing Hold em from Russia and from Palestine, yet the Americans can't gamble online? What a sad time period in American history for the Americans.

People died in battles so the American people could have the freedom to gamble and to invest their money.

The issue should be more of a federal issue and not a state issue.The Americans are not the only republic on earth, as many countries that are republic systems do gamble online.

Hopefully this will get all sorted out.

I respect the people's religious choice not to gamble, but people do like to gamble for fun, and doesn't have to lead to violence.

Nobunaga
 

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Very insightful

It's my belief that a national federal strategy would be better for the future, rather than competing state licensors. This would enable a blanket set of rules for auditing and checks, financials (i.e. rules regards depositing and receiving by various payment methods) and corporate taxation. Then the individual states can vote on whether to have it in their yards or not, like the death penalty. Allowable under federal law, but states can choose not to have it.

This would mean legalizing online gaming for ALL US citizens in principle, but states keeping their autonomy whether their constituents want it.


I think that's a very smart, insightful suggestion for a solution. It's definitely worth passing along.
Though I wonder if it would mean another regulatory department... could only have licensed casinos, I would expect, and a method for licensing and banning.

Thanks!
 

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Much Appreciated!

Thanks so much for the obvious intent effort! It was very interesting to read, me being just a casual gamer, but I had only just started playing at the time the law past (and lost a good lot of winnings because of it), and I am very interested in seeing things improve here in the US. I really appreciated your perspective as well.
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Fun read, thanks! I'm very excited about New Jersey opening up this autumn to all gambling. I'm pessimistic that Pokerstars will get a license there, not because they don't deserve one, but because they have two things working against them - 1) the existing B&M entities are going to fight tooth and nail to keep out their stiffest competition, and 2) even though they settled with the DOJ and admitted no wrongdoing, everyone kind of knows the score, and established US brands will exploit that to maximum advantage.

Thanks again for the report. :thumbsup:
 

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Thank you!!!

Loved reading about your trip in SF... And I am excited as a player of online gambling since 2003.... Party Poker sent me to the big dance the 1st year I ever played online poker... I also remember the day I had 1k on BoDog and it turned into 12k in less than 5 minutes thanks to some guy that lost on the 1st hand (max sit down to start was 1k) with his KK to my AA, he just kept going all in... And the 1st 3 hands, I HAD GREAT HANDS... so I called and won... Like the %s said I should... Then he called me a cheating bot, a person who worked for Bo DOG, all these things I used to say when I was losing, and sure enough he kept coming back... 11 straight hands I called no matter what I had; the next 9 were horrid hands, yet, I won em all... And then he was never seen again.. Best 5 min of online play I ever did... (NO SKILLS INVOLVED)... Too bad I never cashed it all out that day... GOT COCKY AND WENT TO THE BIG BOY TABLES... One and only day... But I did get to sit and play with over 100k on the table... But they sensed fear with me and I think I folded some winning hands... And when I got frustrated and did call, bye bye 5k hand, (almost half was mine) and I was down to 4500ish... I left, felt the sting, and then told the wife THE NEW TRUTH (never told her the REAL TRUTH of I had 12 k).... The NEW TRUTH was, "HONEY, I JUST KILLED IT!!! WE WON 3500, and have 4500+ now in the KITTY"... She purred, I climbed in bed... And I played the DOG the rest of the night... Dominating my Kitty....

wooops got off topic.. but this is what gaming does for me... Takes me into "those good times" (and sometimes bad; but they happen)... I HOPE SOMEHOW, A GUY STUCK IN UTAH (not really stuck, I love it but dont want ANYMORE PEOPLE MOVING HERE... SECRET WAS LET OUT in 2002 OLYMPICS) will be able to play LEGALLY someday online... WE SHALL SEE... BUT THE CHURCH DOES STILL RUNS THIS STATE.... (But God Bless UTAH FOR GUN LAWS (or lack of restricting laws).... Better than Texas in this regard!!! And I own alot of Real REEL SLOT MACHINES LEGALLY with no restrictions on those either!!! (Utah has no restrictions on money slot machines FOR HOME AMUSEMENT ONLY)...:D
 
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