General Election 2024 Thread

[shadow123]

Glad I wont be around to see it blow up.everythings going to shit, no respect, no leadership
no plan, not just here but in many countries,this was a such a great country and we have let
it all go, its really sad

 

[DreamRJ]

I think this election has shown how little the papers though seem to care - as Chopley pointed out, a lot of the headlines and stories have been half arsed at best - whether it's because papers are less influential than years before (and trying to curry favour with Murdoch etc, i don't know), not sure.

Careful what u wish for though, if you hate Tories, you're gonna love Reform

Well lets face it Reform will not make much headway for many years anyway, this is their breakthrough election where they will finally win a handful of seats. What is scary is what Nigel will do once he gets into Parliament and if he will try to take over the tories and rename that party or merge them etc.

But yes I am 100% against reform as well they are 10X worse than the tories and that is a compliment to the nasty scumbag conservatives.

 

[thr0b]

“I never expected my racist party with mass racist appeal would appeal to racists” says racist racist.

 

[mack341]

Interesting that there is an actor/extra with the exact same name and who looks very similar to this reform campaign 'helper'.

From twitter

 

[pinnit2014]

Well lets face it Reform will not make much headway for many years anyway, this is their breakthrough election where they will finally win a handful of seats. What is scary is what Nigel will do once he gets into Parliament and if he will try to take over the tories and rename that party or merge them etc.

But yes I am 100% against reform as well they are 10X worse than the tories and that is a compliment to the nasty scumbag conservatives.

It'll be interesting to see, use that word lightly - currently polling where they are, if they continue to take Conservative votes there's a chance they could pose a problem to Labour in 5/10 years - their voting demographic is typically 10-15 years younger than a lot of Conservatives as well.

One thing against them is where their votes come from - spread across the UK, meaning that FPTP doesn't really suit them for securing seats - compared to the likes of the Lib Dems who have pockets of support in places like the South West, which gets them seats with a lower vote % etc.

People are running comparisons to UKIP of years ago but i would temper that with the fact the world is very different to 10-15 years ago - there seems to be a scepticism now of things like Globalisation and countries looking more inward than they have done (which will no doubt irk Blair )

 

[pinnit2014]

Interesting that there is an actor/extra with the exact same name and who looks very similar to this reform campaign 'helper'.

From twitter
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One way of finding out - he plays guitar, so chuck him an acoustic and if he can't resist the urge to play a Steelers Wheel song, it's him

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Interesting that there is an actor/extra with the exact same name and who looks very similar to this reform campaign 'helper'.

From twitter
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I have to say that does look quite like him, if you watch the Channel 4 News footage and compare it to the pictures on his profile on Mandy, it seems to be the same bloke.

Maybe he's an actor and a massive racist wankpuffin? The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

If there's one thing Farage likes to do it's weasel himself out of any accountability or blame for anything that happens (Brexit, anyone?), so I'm sure if there's an angle for him here he'll be onto it in no time.

Certainly at the moment he's trotted out the whole 'doesn't represent my views' line, so we'll see what happens.

 

[SlotsGuy]

"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply." - Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836)

 

[thr0b]

How about this? Current predictions are that the next largest party, and therefore leader of the opposition will be - the Lib Dems.

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This is actually a perfect and fun scenario on loads of levels.

 

[SlotsGuy]

I've witnessed a lot of really weird and shocking behaviour from people over the last 4 years but watching people crawl back to the system that they *know* is there to destroy them, has to be one of the most weirdest things yet.

What is it? Stockholm syndrome?

 

[thr0b]

I've witnessed a lot of really weird and shocking behaviour from people over the last 4 years but watching people crawl back to the system that they *know* is there to destroy them, has to be one of the most weirdest things yet.

What is it? Stockholm syndrome?

No, we live in reality and you don’t. Quite simple

 

[SlotsGuy]

No, we live in reality and you don’t. Quite simple

Imagine taking orders from liars, thieves, psychopath's and mass murderers, and thinking you're more virtuous than those who disobey.

The fact you sit here defending pure evil is absolutely astounding. I guess you're another who's suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[mack341]

I wonder if the democrats/biden's term is any guide to what to expect from Starmer, they've basically achieved nothing. I don't follow US politics as much as before, but the impression is nothing has changed in the favour of joe 6pack.

Biden has overseen the importation of thousands of culinary experts though

Edit: The clips of the US debate makes ours look dignified, how could they put Joe biden through that when it's obvious he's not all there now, he totally lost his way to 1 question, but then from somewhere came out with 'we beat medicare' Absolutely nonsensical.

 

[SlotsGuy]

I wonder if the democrats/biden's term is any guide to what to expect from Starmer, they've basically achieved nothing. I don't follow US politics as much as before, but the impression is nothing has changed in the favour of joe 6pack.

Biden has overseen the importation of thousands of culinary experts though

Do you understand that all those in the political field are simply actors playing a part?

Do you understand who truly pulls the strings and controls pretty much everything on this earth?

Are you aware theres huge amount of evidence that the person who pretends he's Biden is actually wearing a mask, is 30 years younger and a well known actor? Do you really care or prefer to just sit back and believe in the great illusion?

 

[thr0b]

Report: Delusional

 

[thr0b]

I wonder if the democrats/biden's term is any guide to what to expect from Starmer, they've basically achieved nothing. I don't follow US politics as much as before, but the impression is nothing has changed in the favour of joe 6pack.

Biden has overseen the importation of thousands of culinary experts though

Edit: The clips of the US debate makes ours look dignified, how could they put Joe biden through that when it's obvious he's not all there now, he totally lost his way to 1 question, but then from somewhere came out with 'we beat medicare' Absolutely nonsensical.

One of the problems with the US system is the president and their party may not have more power than the opposition, and the courts have been packed with Republicans (and arguably, at least one of those Supreme Court judges is more confederate than US!).

This means getting anything done is like wading through treacle. And their right-wing media is even louder than ours, so drowns out everything that DOES get done, or spins it so that it’s bad.

See - two people who are far too old for the job, both clearly not in the best condition mentally, one is a nice old man, and that’s apparently a problem, one is a convicted criminal, and that’s not his fault and not a problem.

(Of course, he blames Biden for that, despite the president having no power or influence over state courts, but the media lap that up.)

Our system has its problems, but theirs is a total structural mess.

 

[mack341]

Do you understand that all those in the political field are simply actors playing a part?

Do you understand who truly pulls the strings and controls pretty much everything on this earth?

Are you aware theres huge amount of evidence that the person who pretends he's Biden is actually wearing a mask, is 30 years younger and a well known actor? Do you really care or prefer to just sit back and believe in the great illusion?

Mate you're attempting to teach granny how to suck eggs here!

My conspiracy interests started way back in the 90s pre internet.

However not everything works out according to an elite plan, some things like covid are dropped, and farage is obviously ruffling feathers, look at assange he was doomed but lady luck came to his rescue.

I know when to be a bit discerning re conspiracy, and not bite on every one e.g. this joe biden mask theory.

 

[mack341]

One of the problems with the US system is the president and their party may not have more power than the opposition, and the courts have been packed with Republicans (and arguably, at least one of those Supreme Court judges is more confederate than US!).

This means getting anything done is like wading through treacle. And their right-wing media is even louder than ours, so drowns out everything that DOES get done, or spins it so that it’s bad.

See - two people who are far too old for the job, both clearly not in the best condition mentally, one is a nice old man, and that’s apparently a problem, one is a convicted criminal, and that’s not his fault and not a problem.

(Of course, he blames Biden for that, despite the president having no power or influence over state courts, but the media lap that up.)

Our system has its problems, but theirs is a total structural mess.

Trump is light years ahead of Joe in the cognitive stakes, the clip of Jill telling Joe he was terrific and answered all the questions is tragic, maybe she means well and can't face reality, but it could equally be argued she's facilitating elder abuse, keeping this charade going.

Democrats don't seem to have any plans re societal problems, and probably quite like being able to blame the republicans/supreme court etc... this is the one thing Starmer won't be able to do, with a 350 seat majority.

 

[thr0b]

Oh, he really isn’t light years ahead. He’s just louder and more confident. Listen to any of his speeches and he meanders, mixes up facts and names and slurs just as much as Biden.

Neither should be in the race. But if I had to choose between a Nice Old Man and a Convicted Criminal leading a cult, I’d have to choose the nice old man and hope the VP step up quite quickly!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Interesting that there is an actor/extra with the exact same name and who looks very similar to this reform campaign 'helper'.

From twitter
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So by all accounts this is the same guy as we see in the Channel 4 news item, he appears to be an actor as his job, and a Reform party activist is his political side.

i.e. He wasn't a 'plant' by Channel 4 news (and so far Farage hasn't claimed this either), he's just someone who works as an actor, and uses his spare time to be a horrible racist arsehole, who surprisingly decided that the Reform Party would best accommodate someone with his views.

He can be seen in a Reform Party photo from earlier this year.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh, he really isn’t light years ahead. He’s just louder and more confident. Listen to any of his speeches and he meanders, mixes up facts and names and slurs just as much as Biden.

Neither should be in the race. But if I had to choose between a Nice Old Man and a Convicted Criminal leading a cult, I’d have to choose the nice old man and hope the VP step up quite quickTruly!Imo there is a big difference on how 'there' they are.

Imo Biden is quite a few stops ahead of Trump on the Dementia bus, Trump does not mix up facts and words nearly as much, he does however make up his own facts and words but thats because hes a con man and not because of dementia.
If it were up to me i wouldnt want either of them to have access to nuclear launch codes.

All-round shitshow and none of the two are fit to run for Presidency.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

US politics thread is right over there folks

I think it's important we don't let the lunatics mix in case we create some sort of super lunatic and accidentally end the world.

US political crisis - Casinomeister Forum

 

[mack341]

So by all accounts this is the same guy as we see in the Channel 4 news item, he appears to be an actor as his job, and a Reform party activist is his political side.

i.e. He wasn't a 'plant' by Channel 4 news (and so far Farage hasn't claimed this either), he's just someone who works as an actor, and uses his spare time to be a horrible racist arsehole, who surprisingly decided that the Reform Party would best accommodate someone with his views.

He can be seen in a Reform Party photo from earlier this year.

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According to his mandy actor profile he is 6ft2 and 286 lbs, unless that's the reform basketball team, the circled bloke doesn't look tall enough?

Edit: looks too scruffy as well, the other guy was wearing a suit, the beer belly looks about right tho!

 

[shadow123]

Hoping reform does really well in the election, but apart from making himself a ****** nuisance in house of commons Farage will have no power,he has no chance of forcing proportional represention, the only thing will give the population a chance of being listened to.Failing that it will need mass civil action, which is a real possibility.
We are very close to the tipping point in this country and Labour aint the answer.
Interesting times ahead

 

[Kroffe]

According to his mandy actor profile he is 6ft2 and 286 lbs, unless that's the reform basketball team, the circled bloke doesn't look tall enough?

Edit: looks too scruffy as well, the other guy was wearing a suit, the beer belly looks about right tho!

Actually, if you look closely.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nigel has now entered the sulky 'Everyone's being mean to me' phase of his campaign, so far it seems that Reform's vetting company, audience members, TV producers, Channel 4, the BBC, and even his own activists are all conspiring against him.

One possible explanation might be that the mask is really starting to slip and enough people are starting to see him for what he truly is, i.e. A horrible lying conman fascist and racist. But of course Nigel can't acknowledge this so instead it's conspiracies against him everywhere.

The man crumples into nothing at the first hint of serious scrutiny.

Also they've just given three of their candidates the boot for being horrible fascists and racists. Who knows why they thought they'd be welcome in a party headed up by a horrible fascist and racist.

Still, there's always Farage Gin I suppose.

 

[dealer wins]

My take on the election.

No woman should vote Labour as they will destroy their sex with the trans bollocks. No one should vote Labour, Tory or Libdem as they all voted to illegally lock you down in 2020, destroy the economy and give you lethal genetic injections in 2021-2022.

That leaves reform, yes even Nigal wanted Tony "War Criminal" Blair to be the mRNA poison Czar in 2021, but they have pledged to leave the WHO, scrap Net Zero and have nothing to do with the evil World Economic forum.

On that alone I think they are worth my vote. I like 95% of their manifesto TBH.

I would prefer the Heritage Party, but they are only standing in a few areas sadly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

52/48 in a Brexit referendum. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. DEMOCRACY MUST PREVAIL.

Labour about to win a massive majority. THE COUNTRY DOESN'T WANT THIS.

 

[dealer wins]

If Labour do win big, it will be so catastrophic it will bring about the end of Tories and Labour.

But Labour will cause a lot of pain in the next 4-5 years.

Maybe its worth it to wake the whole UK up to the evil WEF controlled Tories and Labour.

Anyone who works hard, save hard or wants to drive, eat meat, have a foreign holiday, well you are gonna get fucked until 2029

If you come across illegally on a dinghy from France. jackpot, 4 or 5 star hotel, 3 meals a day and spending money whilst you contribute to the UKs demise.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Quite an audacious stunt at Farage's latest gig. I chuckled.

 

[thr0b]

Nigel has now entered the sulky 'Everyone's being mean to me' phase of his campaign, so far it seems that Reform's vetting company, audience members, TV producers, Channel 4, the BBC, and even his own activists are all conspiring against him.

One possible explanation might be that the mask is really starting to slip and enough people are starting to see him for what he truly is, i.e. A horrible lying conman fascist and racist. But of course Nigel can't acknowledge this so instead it's conspiracies against him everywhere.

The man crumples into nothing at the first hint of serious scrutiny.

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Also they've just given three of their candidates the boot for being horrible fascists and racists. Who knows why they thought they'd be welcome in a party headed up by a horrible fascist and racist.

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Still, there's always Farage Gin I suppose.

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To the shock of nobody.

 

[mack341]

Nigel has now entered the sulky 'Everyone's being mean to me' phase of his campaign, so far it seems that Reform's vetting company, audience members, TV producers, Channel 4, the BBC, and even his own activists are all conspiring against him.

One possible explanation might be that the mask is really starting to slip and enough people are starting to see him for what he truly is, i.e. A horrible lying conman fascist and racist. But of course Nigel can't acknowledge this so instead it's conspiracies against him everywhere.

The man crumples into nothing at the first hint of serious scrutiny.

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Also they've just given three of their candidates the boot for being horrible fascists and racists. Who knows why they thought they'd be welcome in a party headed up by a horrible fascist and racist.

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Still, there's always Farage Gin I suppose.

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One of the average 'members of the public' on question time, getting to ask Nigel abt racism, was a bbc dr who cameraman, hardly a random selection.

Nigel's got you and the establishment rattled, no one's even discussing the main 2 parties.

It's hilarious really, Nigel the 1980s tory terrifying the liberals and left up and down the land, whereas one of their own, not too long ago, was probably responsible for about a million civilian deaths, incl old people and children.

And the same politician is advising the next labour PM now.

 

[thr0b]

Quite an audacious stunt at Farage's latest gig. I chuckled.

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God. Listen to the knuckle-dragging moron. “RIPITDOWN. DEYTURKAREJURBS!”

 

[pinnit2014]

52/48 in a Brexit referendum. THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. DEMOCRACY MUST PREVAIL.

Labour about to win a massive majority. THE COUNTRY DOESN'T WANT THIS.

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Even richer given Johnson is, at his cold heart a remainer, but chose the opportunistic winds that blew his way.

 

[pinnit2014]

One of the average 'members of the public' on question time, getting to ask Nigel abt racism, was a bbc dr who cameraman, hardly a random selection.

Nigel's got you and the establishment rattled, no one's even discussing the main 2 parties.

It's hilarious really, Nigel the 1980s tory terrifying the liberals and left up and down the land, whereas one of their own, not too long ago, was probably responsible for about a million civilian deaths, incl old people and children.

And the same politician is advising the next labour PM now.

Mack, Nigel is the establishment; the privileged, private banker surely must be but he is good at getting folk to think he’s not .

GB news, for example, rallies against MSM, yet, ironically proclaiming the MSM are against them despite the fact they have their own TV channel and have at least three sitting Tories on their books.

He terrifies me to be honest if only to think this how how far this country has sunk

 

[pinnit2014]

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To the shock of nobody.

Probably thought he was as easy to buy as Trump

 

[mack341]

Mack, Nigel is the establishment; the privileged, private banker surely must be but he is good at getting folk to think he’s not .

GB news, for example, rallies against MSM, yet, ironically proclaiming the MSM are against them despite the fact they have their own TV channel and have at least three sitting Tories on their books.

He terrifies me to be honest if only to think this how how far this country has sunk

I don't have a lot of time for gbnews, never watched his show on their once.

Nigel would've been part of the 80s establishment, he's not part of today's, it's far too liberal on immigration, plus things like WHO and WEF interference.

He might be part of a subset of well-off folk that don't like the way things are panning out for Britain, but they have no power, or he'd be tory leader already, but no they went with sunak.

(Think it was reported in the Times, most labour mps/candidates were privately educated, so also a privileged not typical background)

He's quite similar to trump, also an 80s heyday type, populists in essence. Probably will be some things I don't agree with him on, like privatising the nhs. Most reform voters would not approve of breaking the nhs up imo.

 

[DreamRJ]

Can I say 5 days to go and I have been counting down the days to say good fucking riddance to the scum bag tories once and for all.

I will also add that the latest calculus is showing this prediction.........

So if this does play out then that will also mean Tories fail to become opposition and that will mean Lib Dems will take it if they do a coalition with greens that will give them 74, but if tories did a coalition with reform then that would still not be enough. But if Lib dems do not do a coalition with greens then they both would be on 71seats if tories did get into bed with reform, so not sure who would get it if both was on 71. I highly highly doubt the lib dems will ever again do a coalition with the tories either not after 2010.

It is 100% over for the tory party and you got no idea how damn happy I am. 200 years of history wiped out and its over for them and if they do get into bed with reform well that will just not end well either I do not think. (would take a decade or longer for the new conservative/reform combined party to make headway and start winning seats again) But I suspect a lot of people do not like far right extremist politicians anyway so would not happen for many general elections 3, 4 or 5 I reckon.

I stocked up on snacks and pop corn as well ready for the election night coverage next week.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

One of the average 'members of the public' on question time, getting to ask Nigel abt racism, was a bbc dr who cameraman, hardly a random selection.

Nigel's got you and the establishment rattled, no one's even discussing the main 2 parties.

It's hilarious really, Nigel the 1980s tory terrifying the liberals and left up and down the land, whereas one of their own, not too long ago, was probably responsible for about a million civilian deaths, incl old people and children.

And the same politician is advising the next labour PM now.

Rattled by what? A party that's peaked at 20% of the vote and has now settled down to around 16%? (Farage's past enthusiasm and current ambivalence (to put it generously) for Putin hasn't done him any favour in the polls.)

He's a one-trick pony who's done his trick, it turned out to be shit, and very few people want to see him do another.

Also as this campaign has clearly revealed, he's brittle, sulky, petulant, crumbles under pressure and can't handle any criticism whatsoever without going into UltraKaren mode and blaming someone else.

Moreover, and I'm going to say this as politely as I can, you only need to look at his audiences to realise that's he's appealing to an..... ummmm..... 'declining demographic'. (An amped up version of exactly the same problem the Tories have.)

With only a few days left to the election this is where the polls are, so you'll forgive me if I manage to not be entirely 'terrified' by the presence of the establishment racist Farage in the race.

I'll give him credit for one thing, he will play an admirable part in the destruction of the Conservative Party (see also, Brexit.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

God. Listen to the knuckle-dragging moron. “RIPITDOWN. DEYTURKAREJURBS!”

I like the way they yell 'Rip it down' and then can't even rip it down.

 

[mack341]

Rattled by what? A party that's peaked at 20% of the vote and has now settled down to around 16%? (Farage's past enthusiasm and current ambivalence (to put it generously) for Putin hasn't done him any favour in the polls.)

He's a one-trick pony who's done his trick, it turned out to be shit, and very few people want to see him do another.

Also as this campaign has clearly revealed, he's brittle, sulky, petulant, crumbles under pressure and can't handle any criticism whatsoever without going into UltraKaren mode and blaming someone else.

Moreover, and I'm going to say this as politely as I can, you only need to look at his audiences to realise that's he's appealing to an..... ummmm..... 'declining demographic'. (An amped up version of exactly the same problem the Tories have.)

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With only a few days left to the election this is where the polls are, so you'll forgive me if I manage to not be entirely 'terrified' by the presence of the establishment racist Farage in the race.

I'll give him credit for one thing, he will play an admirable part in the destruction of the Conservative Party (see also, Brexit.)

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The core of the conservatives became blairites a fair while back (and thatcher was pleased to see tony take over labour).

Starmer is a tony disciple more or less, so it's more of the same, the uni-party will continue, but starmer will hopefully improve the basic functions of govt; however there could be a damp squib feeling post election.

Obviously if Nige wins his seat that will create a certain amount of electricity, and anticipation of hoc tension, his presence in that chamber will have all the uk media in attendance.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A bold pitch considering the UK national debt has tripled since 2010 when the Tories came to power for their current disastrous stint.

Their entire campaign is just bullshit fearmongering.

 

[dunover]

Rattled by what? A party that's peaked at 20% of the vote and has now settled down to around 16%? (Farage's past enthusiasm and current ambivalence (to put it generously) for Putin hasn't done him any favour in the polls.)

He's a one-trick pony who's done his trick, it turned out to be shit, and very few people want to see him do another.

Also as this campaign has clearly revealed, he's brittle, sulky, petulant, crumbles under pressure and can't handle any criticism whatsoever without going into UltraKaren mode and blaming someone else.

Moreover, and I'm going to say this as politely as I can, you only need to look at his audiences to realise that's he's appealing to an..... ummmm..... 'declining demographic'. (An amped up version of exactly the same problem the Tories have.)

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With only a few days left to the election this is where the polls are, so you'll forgive me if I manage to not be entirely 'terrified' by the presence of the establishment racist Farage in the race.

I'll give him credit for one thing, he will play an admirable part in the destruction of the Conservative Party (see also, Brexit.)

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Those 'orrible white bastards eh! A generation whose parents defended the country, built it and ran it. Who remembered when English was commonly spoken in schools and 'woke' simply meant getting ready for work in the morning. Grooming was something you did to a pet and political correctness was MPs wearing a shirt and tie or skirt-suit and not swearing or wearing rainbows. Now they have the audacity to point out how things were once far better and on top of that get triple-locked pensions, the comfortable fuckers!

Kill 'em off, replace them now! We need more hamass protestors, self-determined toilets, terrorists and low-quality high-density housing plonked on fields once farmed by the Saxons.

DESTROY! DESTROY!

STARMERGEDDON NOW!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Those 'orrible white bastards eh! A generation whose parents defended the country, built it and ran it. Who remembered when English was commonly spoken in schools and 'woke' simply meant getting ready for work in the morning. Grooming was something you did to a pet and political correctness was MPs wearing a shirt and tie or skirt-suit and not swearing or wearing rainbows. Now they have the audacity to point out how things were once far better and on top of that get triple-locked pensions, the comfortable fuckers!

Kill 'em off, replace them now! We need more hamass protestors, self-determined toilets, terrorists and low-quality high-density housing plonked on fields once farmed by the Saxons.

DESTROY! DESTROY!

STARMERGEDDON NOW!

I think that's the most perfect encapsulation of why Reform will be perma-stuck at 20% or less of the vote than I could ever possibly conjure up myself.

 

[mack341]

The other aspect to Starmer's imminent reign, which does crossover to the US scene, is he will have to make an effort to get on with Trump.

And Donald may not like it if his old mate Nige is disrespected.

Politics could be about to get interesting again

 

[Webzcas]

A bold pitch considering the UK national debt has tripled since 2010 when the Tories came to power for their current disastrous stint.

Their entire campaign is just bullshit fearmongering.

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Reminds me of the fearmongering back in 2016 and every other election. The Torygraph have nailed their mast to the Tory Banner, so no surprise.

I personally think we have such a poor choice as voters. Labour under Starmer are meh. The only reason they are riding so high in the polls, is due to everyone wanting the Tory Party obliterated come Friday morning.

My Labour candidate has been parachuted in from Southwark where she is on the council. WTF does she know about my constituency?? I won't be voting for them. I cannot see the incumbent Tory MP being unseated here anyway.

For the first time ever I may not vote.

 

[rtb123]

This one always makes me chuckle....

 

[jasonuk]

Like everyone else, I'll be glad to see the back of the Tory party - but we will be far from ridding ourselves of the Tories because they've been infiltrating the Labour party ("New" Labour) over the past 25 years.


While discussing this with an American friend recently, an off-the-cuff remark that we could end up like them at first seemed out of place, but then made a lot of sense.

The Blairites have been replacing the Labour Party with some centre-right faux-Tory party, similarly the Tories have been infighting between the centre-right "moderates" and the groups to the right (ERG etc). This gave us the illusion of choice and why the gravy train has fought hard against the likes of Charles Kennedy and Jeremy Corbyn who could have derailed it in favour of a different direction (at the benefit of the public, and the expense of big business).

Starmer knows there is substantial centre-left support within the party unhappy at the current situation, so rather than try and work with it as Tony Blair did, he needs to sabotage it - which is why we're seeing his increasingly unhinged behaviour towards his own party.

So if New Labour 2.0 lurches to the right, the Tories implode and then the others (Lib Dem, Reform etc) fight over the carcass... there's a very real chance that you have a centre-right and a right party (the US model), or two centre to centre-right parties, rather than a broader spectrum.


Which brings us to this election - there's always going to be undecided voters, but I think this election is somewhat different in that both headline parties are aggressively alienating their own core voters.

The staggering part is that Starmer has an open goal to shoot at... and he's currently polling the same as Corbyn performed in 2017 in significantly more hostile circumstances.

 

[DreamRJ]

Like everyone else, I'll be glad to see the back of the Tory party - but we will be far from ridding ourselves of the Tories because they've been infiltrating the Labour party ("New" Labour) over the past 25 years.


While discussing this with an American friend recently, an off-the-cuff remark that we could end up like them at first seemed out of place, but then made a lot of sense.

The Blairites have been replacing the Labour Party with some centre-right faux-Tory party, similarly the Tories have been infighting between the centre-right "moderates" and the groups to the right (ERG etc). This gave us the illusion of choice and why the gravy train has fought hard against the likes of Charles Kennedy and Jeremy Corbyn who could have derailed it in favour of a different direction (at the benefit of the public, and the expense of big business).

Starmer knows there is substantial centre-left support within the party unhappy at the current situation, so rather than try and work with it as Tony Blair did, he needs to sabotage it - which is why we're seeing his increasingly unhinged behaviour towards his own party.

So if New Labour 2.0 lurches to the right, the Tories implode and then the others (Lib Dem, Reform etc) fight over the carcass... there's a very real chance that you have a centre-right and a right party (the US model), or two centre to centre-right parties, rather than a broader spectrum.


Which brings us to this election - there's always going to be undecided voters, but I think this election is somewhat different in that both headline parties are aggressively alienating their own core voters.

The staggering part is that Starmer has an open goal to shoot at... and he's currently polling the same as Corbyn performed in 2017 in significantly more hostile circumstances.

Not sure what makes you think and feel that the labour party is moving to the right. Yes a few defectors happened to the labour party over the last few years and just before the election was called. But I think that was just them wanting to try protect themselves from losing their own seats lol.

Afterall all conservatives ever care about is themselves and only them, I still see Labour as centre/centre left and so do many others. If you can give us some examples of where you came up with that opinion would be interesting to see.

If what you are saying is true then it will not be a good thing and Labour will just lose a lot of support at the next general election to reform. I highly doubt Starmer is centre right, to me he is more centre and a tiny bit left. After all he was in Corbyns shadow cabinet so he can not be to the right because Corbyn would never have give him a role in the shadow cabinet.

Anyway 4 days to go now folks.......

 

[amandajm]

I personally think we have such a poor choice as voters.

Dave, "declining demographic" are the magic words. They still make up 90%+ of Europe. Only Farage represents them here now. Poor choice indeed.

The signs are not good for the future in the UK. The folk calling him names can't stop the maths.