General Election 2019 thread

That's how a lot of left wing people think they believe they are right and cannot understand when people have a different view they are right and that is that.
that's a closed-minded people thing, not inherent to the left nor right
after all, I could as easily say, well, so many conservative rights with their unyielidng convictions and beliefs, refuse to bend nor see the other side
 
that's a closed-minded people thing, not inherent to the left nor right
after all, I could as easily say, well, so many conservative rights with their unyielidng convictions and beliefs, refuse to bend nor see the other side
That's the thing in general, too many people aren't able to grasp how someone could be liberal on some things but staunchly conservative in others.....there's far too much typecasting as one or the other, when in reality most people are 'grey' on many issues.

I'd say I'm actually pretty 'liberal' on most things, but 'right-leaning' on others. Whether that comes with age (*cough* I'm in my prime goddamit *cough*) or through circumstance, who knows. But say I was voting aged 21 instead of......32 I'd have likely voted Labour myself!

What is scary is people that think they're unwaveringly extreme either side of the debate. Core principles stay with you but most things are evolving and fluid, and can always be subject to change etc
 
Wee Nicola Krankie is a total hypocrite.

Scotland votes to stay in the union in 2014.
That Union decides to leave the EU.
Scotland suddenly becomes a 'separate country' in her eyes because they voted 60-40 to remain.
So did London - should we make a separate country for Londoners too?

She criticizes the Ulster-Eire border situation. Yet that is exactly what (under EU rules) we would end up with between England and Scotland.
She would need the rest of the UK to agree to underwrite the Scottish Pound before applying to join the EU, which the EU would permit if Scotland were still in an official currency union with the rest of the UK.
If the UK refuses to underwrite the Scottish currency, then they would have to join the Euro.
Then they would be in breach of the EU joining terms with their debt ratio at 7% (the EU demands 3% or less before joining).
So this Scottish 'independence' where they have 9% of the Westminster seats would be exchanged for 1% of the EU Parliament, further away from Holyrood in a foreign country (Belgium) created by the UK as a buffer zone after the Napoleonic Wars.

You couldn't make it up.

Then they would soon come to realize that they aren't 'independent' in any way, shape or form but beholden to their new masters in continental Europe. Relying on their benevolence. Kind of exactly why the UK voters wanted to leave in the first place.

Then geographically they are much further away from the European market, whereas England is a Eurotunnel hop away, with fewer transport costs and easier movement of workers.

I have tried searching for a good economic reason to agree that Independence would be a good idea. I cannot see one, other than it all seems to be about someone having their statue made in bronze and planted outside Holyrood as the 'Woman who won independence' like some kind of modern day Robert Bruce. True, it would only cost about £500k to make (sorry, 600,000 Euros) but the real price Scotland paid would be far higher.

I won't go in to the costs of losing thousands of jobs when the UK nuclear submarine fleet has to be moved elsewhere and the fact she wants to disarm and spend as little as possible on defence.

Go for it Nicola!
 
Wee Nicola Krankie is a total hypocrite.

Scotland votes to stay in the union in 2014.
That Union decides to leave the EU.
Scotland suddenly becomes a 'separate country' in her eyes because they voted 60-40 to remain.
So did London - should we make a separate country for Londoners too?

She criticizes the Ulster-Eire border situation. Yet that is exactly what (under EU rules) we would end up with between England and Scotland.
She would need the rest of the UK to agree to underwrite the Scottish Pound before applying to join the EU, which the EU would permit if Scotland were still in an official currency union with the rest of the UK.
If the UK refuses to underwrite the Scottish currency, then they would have to join the Euro.
Then they would be in breach of the EU joining terms with their debt ratio at 7% (the EU demands 3% or less before joining).
So this Scottish 'independence' where they have 9% of the Westminster seats would be exchanged for 1% of the EU Parliament, further away from Holyrood in a foreign country (Belgium) created by the UK as a buffer zone after the Napoleonic Wars.

You couldn't make it up.

Then they would soon come to realize that they aren't 'independent' in any way, shape or form but beholden to their new masters in continental Europe. Relying on their benevolence. Kind of exactly why the UK voters wanted to leave in the first place.

Then geographically they are much further away from the European market, whereas England is a Eurotunnel hop away, with fewer transport costs and easier movement of workers.

I have tried searching for a good economic reason to agree that Independence would be a good idea. I cannot see one, other than it all seems to be about someone having their statue made in bronze and planted outside Holyrood as the 'Woman who won independence' like some kind of modern day Robert Bruce. True, it would only cost about £500k to make (sorry, 600,000 Euros) but the real price Scotland paid would be far higher.

I won't go in to the costs of losing thousands of jobs when the UK nuclear submarine fleet has to be moved elsewhere and the fact she wants to disarm and spend as little as possible on defence.

Go for it Nicola!
As I have said SNP would be in exactly the same shoes as UK now had they left in 2014, the problem with the SNP is they don't understand the concept of UK elections, the referendum was a UK wide vote the results of individual areas should never have been published should just have been the final result. She claims Westminster has no right to dictate to Scotland because the SNP won 48 seats it was a UK election and the electorate of the whole UK chose a Conservative government under the first past the post system, the Scottish parliament elections are in 2021.

If she wants a proper mandate she needs to field candidates across England, Wales and NI then she can claim to have authority over the PM.

Boris is the prime minster of the United Kingdom and therefore has every right to agree or disagree terms of a referendum in the same way the UK government currently has to control Northern Ireland even though no Tories or Labour or Lib Dem stand there.
 
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Sturgeon apologizing for her Schadenfreude


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Thing is I was watching that live, and as everything is being micro-scrutinized, if one had seen that unfold in real time I'd say she was just rather 'exalted' at her party's result and less 'gloatey' at Swinson's ejection.

Though she did bloody go on a bit
 
Caroline Flint has just said on tv that Emily Thornberry told her "she was glad her constituents weren't as thick as yours".

If this is how the Labour party view the north of England they are in for a very long cold spell in the wilderness, calling Yorkshire people thick does not go down well up here as you can imagine.
 
Good news for Boris Johnson Lisa Nandy seriously considering becoming Labour leader.

and if you don't know who she is this is her view on Brexit in 2016.

She comes across as another one who would put two odd shoes on

I wonder what the Beast of Bolsover is doing these days?
 
Good news for Boris Johnson Lisa Nandy seriously considering becoming Labour leader.

and if you don't know who she is this is her view on Brexit in 2016.

She's frowning far too much just in order to answer a question, try to frown that hard for that long and talk at the same time, feels totally unnatural, she's just another hive mind puppet but who looks a bit more presentable and camera friendly than a corbum worzel type, probably a nice girl but not a political leader imo.
 
Some very very salty tears flying around the various forums and 'have your say' debates today. A lot of comments calling people 'thick' and saying IQ tests should be done before being allowed to vote. Sounds like the ideology of a certain German nutter in the 1930's.

It is this condescending, smug, 'I'm better than you' attitude which people are kicking back against. The middle class, leftist individual who think their intelligence levels are so far advanced of anyone else that no one else's opinion matters.
These are the very people who were trying to lobby to get 16 year olds to vote pot calling kettle black ffs..
 
This thread's current numbers highlights the absentees' mindset - deride, ridicule and insult, and when things haven't gone as they'd hope: sulk

It's basically a case of "Well we tried, but the racist thickos have got their wish, leave them to it"
 
Caroline Flint has just said on tv that Emily Thornberry told her "she was glad her constituents weren't as thick as yours".

If this is how the Labour party view the north of England they are in for a very long cold spell in the wilderness, calling Yorkshire people thick does not go down well up here as you can imagine.
Emily Thornberry threatening Flint with legal action over her comments.

Let the Tory supporters sit back and watch the Labour party implode while enjoying the festive season.
 
I'm getting worried about Chopley, no sign of him for days; if Trump loses the 2020 I might have to lie low too having predicted he'll win it, so I can understand how he might be feeling, what with brexit as well, it got a little bit heated here in the last few months.

But I would much rather he was back in the CM fold, there's a difference between banter and stick and it probably never pays to gloat too much about winning elections in this land as mp's of all colours have shafted the country in different ways.

Look what theresa may was up to with brexit and she's made sure she's still in the HOC representing conservatives.

Peter Hitchen's in the mail today was pretty much of the opinion that boris is a london bohemian and his govt will be similar to new labour, so lots of stuff about climate change, political correctness, brainwashing children in school to be 'liberal and progressive' rather than traditional, it won't be very conservative, no bobbys on the beat etc... we'll have to wait and see though :cool:
 
Who knows what 'Ms' Thornberry said, but she clearly has made some dubious judgements about the white working class, like when mocking an England supporter for draping flags across his windows etc during the 2014 World Cup.

It's funny because Labour make themselves out to represent these people, when in fact their 'representatives' are elitist luvvies that sneer at the poor, and 'certain' demographics within it
 
I'm getting worried about Chopley, no sign of him for days; if Trump loses the 2020 I might have to lie low too having predicted he'll win it, so I can understand how he might be feeling, what with brexit as well, it got a little bit heated here in the last few months.

But I would much rather he was back in the CM fold, there's a difference between banter and stick and it probably never pays to gloat too much about winning elections in this land as mp's of all colours have shafted the country in different ways.

Look what theresa may was up to with brexit and she's made sure she's still in the HOC representing conservatives.

Peter Hitchen's in the mail today was pretty much of the opinion that boris is a london bohemian and his govt will be similar to new labour, so lots of stuff about climate change, political correctness, brainwashing children in school to be 'liberal and progressive' rather than traditional, it won't be very conservative, no bobbys on the beat etc... we'll have to wait and see though :cool:

I think that the bold bit above is the problem most people had with Choppers.

This is our land, our vote and he was so vocal and derogatory to anyone that didn't share his opinion, yet he doesn't even live here.

Radio silence, dose seem to point to, toys well thrown out of the pram.

Shame really.
 
SNP considering forcing a by-election in all the 48 seats they won to force a constitutional crisis and get mandates for independence.

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Not sure how this really works and what it will achieve other than to grant some publicity but they must think it will work.
 
I think that the bold bit above is the problem most people had with Choppers.

This is our land, our vote and he was so vocal and derogatory to anyone that didn't share his opinion, yet he doesn't even live here.

Radio silence, dose seem to point to, toys well thrown out of the pram.

Shame really.

Well he was born and bred here, and he's hardly moved to timbuktu, just to one of Liz's nearby islands. So I think he was fairly entitled to his views, though as you say they were at times very strongly and forcibly made :laugh:

I disagreed a lot with his opinion on brexit but we'll just have to see how it pans out, whether in reality we get freedom from the EU or kept in close alignment with their rules and decisions. I know which way the civil service and establishment want it.
 
I'm getting worried about Chopley, no sign of him for days; if Trump loses the 2020 I might have to lie low too having predicted he'll win it, so I can understand how he might be feeling, what with brexit as well, it got a little bit heated here in the last few months.

But I would much rather he was back in the CM fold, there's a difference between banter and stick and it probably never pays to gloat too much about winning elections in this land as mp's of all colours have shafted the country in different ways.

Look what theresa may was up to with brexit and she's made sure she's still in the HOC representing conservatives.

Peter Hitchen's in the mail today was pretty much of the opinion that boris is a london bohemian and his govt will be similar to new labour, so lots of stuff about climate change, political correctness, brainwashing children in school to be 'liberal and progressive' rather than traditional, it won't be very conservative, no bobbys on the beat etc... we'll have to wait and see though :cool:

Personally, I'm not worried about him at all (and I don't mean that in a bad way).
He hasn't posted in this thread since mid-November, but had been active elsewhere on the forum up until Monday.
It would not surprise me if he chose to unwatch this thread quite some time ago.
I certainly don't blame him for staying away, simply because this thread (like all of the political threads on this forum) was certain to become toxic at some point.
That is why I generally avoid political threads on this forum like the plague. *

* I am a Catholic from North Belfast, you see
 
Personally, I'm not worried about him at all (and I don't mean that in a bad way).
He hasn't posted in this thread since mid-November, but had been active elsewhere on the forum up until Monday.
It would not surprise me if he chose to unwatch this thread quite some time ago.
I certainly don't blame him for staying away, simply because this thread (like all of the political threads on this forum) was certain to become toxic at some point.
That is why I generally avoid political threads on this forum like the plague. *

* I am a Catholic from North Belfast, you see
That may well be, but the satirical posters in here aren't wallflowers, and generally gave as good as they got.

Thread's been toxic since inception and that hasn't stopped everyone chucking their tuppence in, so for many members to 'up sticks' at this moment is surprising to me at least
 
Personally, I'm not worried about him at all (and I don't mean that in a bad way).
He hasn't posted in this thread since mid-November, but had been active elsewhere on the forum up until Monday.
It would not surprise me if he chose to unwatch this thread quite some time ago.
I certainly don't blame him for staying away, simply because this thread (like all of the political threads on this forum) was certain to become toxic at some point.
That is why I generally avoid political threads on this forum like the plague. *

* I am a Catholic from North Belfast, you see

Yeah I think Chop has probably had a gutfull of toxic political debate, they were just saying today though how wrong the media had got it [the bbc in particular] with their prediction of it being a close election, a lot of people from the liberal and labour side had their hopes falsely raised, not sure what odds the bookies were offering on such a majority for boris.

I just know though if Trump loses the 2020, even though I have no horse in the race so to speak, I will have to lie low and still in the NK thread for quite some time while Harry celebrates in jubilant mood :p :laugh:
 
That may well be, but the satirical posters in here aren't wallflowers, and generally gave as good as they got.

Thread's been toxic since inception and that hasn't stopped everyone chucking their tuppence in, so for many members to 'up sticks' at this moment is surprising to me at least

It may surprise you, but it doesn't surprise me. The election is over. The result is clear. A resounding win for the Conservatives, who (if they play their cards right) may well be in government for the next decade and possibly even into the 2030s.

Why would you expect the Labour supporters who commented in this thread to "stick around" and read a load of posts from folk, some of whom are 1. wanting nothing more than to have a good gloat about the result and 2. seem to want to continue bringing Chopley's name up, nearly one month after his last post in this thread?

Me personally, I think it's time to move on and to focus on what happens next. - the eventual outcome of Brexit (whatever that actually is) and what happens on the domestic agenda front for the next 5 years.
Those things are, in my humble opinion, something that should be discussed in a new thread, not this one.

Oh and I should mention that I am speaking as someone who is actually HAPPY with the election result.

And erm....correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked, any CM member can leave a thread that he/she has participated in at any time of their choosing. I was merely assuming (perhaps incorrectly) Choppers chose to exercise that right, because he had had enough of this thread a long time ago.

Yeah I think Chop has probably had a gutfull of toxic political debate, they were just saying today though how wrong the media had got it [the bbc in particular] with their prediction of it being a close election, a lot of people from the liberal and labour side had their hopes falsely raised, not sure what odds the bookies were offering on such a majority for boris.

I just know though if Trump loses the 2020, even though I have no horse in the race so to speak, I will have to lie low and still in the NK thread for quite some time while Harry celebrates in jubilant mood :p :laugh:

That was the point I was trying to make. Obviously I made the mistake of stepping out of line by having the audacity to state that political threads on this forum generally turn toxic. That'll teach me to be Captain Obvious :rolleyes:
 
Personally, I'm not worried about him at all (and I don't mean that in a bad way).
He hasn't posted in this thread since mid-November, but had been active elsewhere on the forum up until Monday.
It would not surprise me if he chose to unwatch this thread quite some time ago.
I certainly don't blame him for staying away, simply because this thread (like all of the political threads on this forum) was certain to become toxic at some point.
That is why I generally avoid political threads on this forum like the plague. *

* I am a Catholic from North Belfast, you see

Yo, come join us in the North Korea thread.
Its everyone vs @mack341 , but we have breaks very often that feature slot-questions and animal facts.
Its pretty neat.
 
Yeah I think Chop has probably had a gutfull of toxic political debate, they were just saying today though how wrong the media had got it [the bbc in particular] with their prediction of it being a close election, a lot of people from the liberal and labour side had their hopes falsely raised, not sure what odds the bookies were offering on such a majority for boris.

I just know though if Trump loses the 2020, even though I have no horse in the race so to speak, I will have to lie low and still in the NK thread for quite some time while Harry celebrates in jubilant mood :p :laugh:

Bookies had it right and there was no money to be made, majority for the Conservatives only paid x1.25 or something like that.
 
Yo, come join us in the North Korea thread.
Its everyone vs @mack341 , but we have breaks very often that feature slot-questions and animal facts.
Its pretty neat.

LOL mate. I'm getting a bit old for arguments and stuff. I can only handle a maximum of one per week.
NK thread sounds too much like a full-time debating job, one where the pay really sucks.

And how could you all gang up on mack? Have you lot no shame at all? :p
 
LOL mate. I'm getting a bit old for arguments and stuff. I can only handle a maximum of one per week.
NK thread sounds too much like a full-time debating job, one where the pay really sucks.

And how could you all gang up on mack? Have you lot no shame at all? :p

Im mostly about the animal facts if im being honest. (altho i am on team Harry)
Its mostly Harry&Mack having discussions.
 
:laugh: Hopefully they'll be some more trump volunteers appear next year :rolleyes: although I think if your american and a republican voter it can be harder to take the criticism heaped on your president, whereas I have a bit more distance so it doesn't become as personal and involved ;)

In news that will come as a surprise to absolutely fucking nobody......

I won't be one of them. :laugh:

Primarily because I might still be posting September screenies. *

* nah, i should be up to November by then
 
Yo, come join us in the North Korea thread.
Its everyone vs @mack341 , but we have breaks very often that feature slot-questions and animal facts.
Its pretty neat.
LOL mate. I'm getting a bit old for arguments and stuff. I can only handle a maximum of one per week.
NK thread sounds too much like a full-time debating job, one where the pay really sucks.

And how could you all gang up on mack? Have you lot no shame at all? :p
:laugh: Hopefully they'll be some more trump volunteers appear next year :rolleyes: although I think if your american and a republican voter it can be harder to take the criticism heaped on your president, whereas I have a bit more distance so it doesn't become as personal and involved ;)

Mack has been a good sport and he knows it's not personal (at least I hope he does). It's far more enjoyable when there are so different views about things. Even if some deserve serious eyerolling at times. :rolleyes::thumbsup::D
 
It may surprise you, but it doesn't surprise me. The election is over. The result is clear. A resounding win for the Conservatives, who (if they play their cards right) may well be in government for the next decade and possibly even into the 2030s.

Why would you expect the Labour supporters who commented in this thread to "stick around" and read a load of posts from folk, some of whom are 1. wanting nothing more than to have a good gloat about the result and 2. seem to want to continue bringing Chopley's name up, nearly one month after his last post in this thread?

Me personally, I think it's time to move on and to focus on what happens next. - the eventual outcome of Brexit (whatever that actually is) and what happens on the domestic agenda front for the next 5 years.
Those things are, in my humble opinion, something that should be discussed in a new thread, not this one.

Oh and I should mention that I am speaking as someone who is actually HAPPY with the election result.

And erm....correct me if I am wrong, but last time I checked, any CM member can leave a thread that he/she has participated in at any time of their choosing. I was merely assuming (perhaps incorrectly) Choppers chose to exercise that right, because he had had enough of this thread a long time ago.



That was the point I was trying to make. Obviously I made the mistake of stepping out of line by having the audacity to state that political threads on this forum generally turn toxic. That'll teach me to be Captain Obvious :rolleyes:

Who cares who participates in what threads. Clearly the mere mention of having noticed the rather vocal 'Labour' supporters' absence somehow personally slights you, and talking about the Election result (it's called the Election Thread incidentally) is taboo now. Their collective silence has become deafening!

And yes, had Labour or others won it wouldn't have stopped me or many a poster from posting on the outcome of this.....'heated' Election.

Whatever floats your boat. But carry on carrying that torch of Truth & Justice, won't you :laugh:
 
Interesting last page on here.

Political threads and politics in real life are always toxic. People are so passionate and always go over the top for what they believe.

Don't really post much in them either as all it does is makes you fall out with people lol.

North Korea thread was okay till some bear decided he wanted to start posting family videos of him and his wildlife friends. Was never the same after that.

I could right pages on that hideous woman Sturgeon and what she stands for but i won't.

Johnson is prime minister and Brexit will happen. Personally i think it will really harm the country but time will tell whether it was worth the hassle or not.
 
Interesting last page on here.

Political threads and politics in real life are always toxic. People are so passionate and always go over the top for what they believe.

Don't really post much in them either as all it does is makes you fall out with people lol.

North Korea thread was okay till some bear decided he wanted to start posting family videos of him and his wildlife friends. Was never the same after that.

I could right pages on that hideous woman Sturgeon and what she stands for but i won't.

Johnson is prime minister and Brexit will happen. Personally i think it will really harm the country but time will tell whether it was worth the hassle or not.

Agree to disagree.
 
I wish now I hadn't mentioned anything re Chopley :oops: I was just adding 2 and 2 together and getting 5. An absence from the forum for a few days/weeks isn't necessarily a search and rescue situation :laugh:

I think Labour will really struggle now, they had a chance when Blair came to power but he royally mucked things up, and they've all but abandoned their old voter base and their legitimate concerns. They ought to split really, they are two different factions corbumnites and blairites, I noted that corbum and mcdonnell are planning to stay on in a caretaker capacity until a new leader is appointed, but this will also give them more power to influence which wing of the party the leader emanates from. So the civil war in the LP is still ongoing.

Re sturgeon other than the independence issue I don't understand why she is popular in Scotland, and that Ian blackford bloke, he's even worse! :laugh: [ I have got 25% scottish ancestry, so I'm not being anti scottish]
They lost their referendum a few years ago but won't accept the result and demand a 2nd one, in polite terms Boris should tell her to bog off, the rights of those who voted in favour of the union also need to be respected and not walked over.

[Again it was probably that troublemaker Blair who started this all off, creating breakaway parliaments, and wasting more tax payers money for no good in return]
 
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Yes, nowt to do with Corbyn's fence-sitting and 'neutrality', thinking both sides will somehow vote for him.

Of course that 'totally not obnoxious' Rebecca Long-Bailey, aka Corbyn-Lite, will win t'next 5 GEs by herself
 
I saw this on twitter and loved it just shows how Labour are the same whoever they make leader7

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Today's the day no one's been waiting for - the Labour leadership contest!

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In what's billed to be a vicious 3-way wrangle we have the comically unelectable berks vying to finish Labour off for good!

First we have Lisa 'Nanny' Nandy, who wants unicorns and rainbows to be part of every manifesto forthwith, Rebecca Long-Bailey, she of the obnoxious tone, hyphenated surname, annoying glasses and 'link to t'north' (cringe) AND finally dark horse pub landlord Sir Keir Starmer whose knighthood was seemingly issued by the Tweenies because if he's a knight of the realm then I'm George Clooney

Should make for a hearty laugh when it dawns on Labour voters (those left) that this is their stellar choice

Though every cloud and all that: Dianne Abbot's to step down as from the Shadow Cabinet. Probably because she's an incompetent racist and no one will be stupid enough to hire her anyway!
 
New poll tonight

CON: 50% (+5)
LAB: 29% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-1)
GRN: 2% (-1)

I don't think I have ever seen a UK political party get 50% or more in a poll quite extraordinary.
50%!!! Well, the rest are just a fractious, withered bunch of remainers. What does one expect? Dinosaurs to tend to find extinction. Plus Boris seems to have pulled a few branches off Corbyn's magic money tree, blank cheque for the NHS amongst other things.
 

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